Try neuting your target.

You also better make your suggestions in Features & Ideas Discussion.

Nah i wanted to discuss webs before making a more defined suggestion.

You already have it, and it's a good one. Buff single web, but with high stacking penalty. The current "dual web or nothing" mentality is ample proof why this is needed.

Nah i wanted to discuss webs before making a more defined suggestion.

use daredevils, vigilants, etc.

Also, fitting stabs, won't help against scrambler shutting off mwd

Using ridiculously expensive ships isn't a solution to webs being bad.

Wait am I getting this right?

People are complaining about webs being too weak?

Target painter adds about 45% to sig radius which makes it 3 times weaker than a web for turret tracking issues.

60% velocity removal is over half the speed, yes the webs were nerfed bad but it was due, rapiers already make kiting impossible, with 80% velocity factor with 2 webs is plenty.

Do you people seriously need to bring target to a dead stop so you can kill it?
Stop flying slow armor battleship blobs if you can't handle 1 frigate.

Go back to flying rifters and learn to pvp.

Using ridiculously expensive ships isn't a solution to webs being bad.

What about removing the stacking penalty on the first 3-5 webber drones?

... No seriously

christ as if having the option of 60% webs on rapiers with 100km range with links or faction webs....
i would think a nerf to web strength and maybe even range is more balanced than the other way around.
Also nerf the pirate bonus 90% webs are insanely OP.

All you need is a combo of geddons/curses, arazu/lachesis, Rapier/Huginn, and even a basic link as optional and you can control a fight upto 40km quite easily. which i think is a little OP really

even EAF have the range to do the job

Also my idea is to add a 20km 30% strength web.

Now kiting ships can be slowly reeled in by some brawlers. However those brawlers than fit these webs will have a competitive disadvantage over close range brawlers that carry 60% webs, since you would need two of these long webs to properly catch a fast ship or give up your scram for a long point, also they use more CPU/Cap.

So now even a oversized ab ship will stay in a semi competitive speed with brawler mwd ships for longer, meaning your tengu can't outrun an entire gang. Also they won't be the ultimate brick wall for people trying to burn back to gate like boosting normal webs.

Rofl, are you terrible or something?


Brawlers reeling in kiters? Show me on the doll where the pro kiter touched you (and your pathetic gang).

this game is balanced for blob vs blob, not 1 vs 1

In case of 1 vs 1, web is definitely too weak. But in blob vs blob, web is just fine

Also my idea is to add a 20km 30% strength web.

Now kiting ships can be slowly reeled in by some brawlers. However those brawlers than fit these webs will have a competitive disadvantage over close range brawlers that carry 60% webs, since you would need two of these long webs to properly catch a fast ship or give up your scram for a long point, also they use more CPU/Cap.

So now even a oversized ab ship will stay in a semi competitive speed with brawler mwd ships for longer, meaning your tengu can't outrun an entire gang. Also they won't be the ultimate brick wall for people trying to burn back to gate like boosting normal webs.

Because i think they were, the only problem with web strength before was the fact that two would be 99%, we only have a few whips with bonuses to make that a reality now and they can still miss with some turrets and some ranges.

normal ships however, two 60% webs is only 80% and speedy ships can still very easily avoid damage.

Im not saying bring back 90% webs, im saying make ONE web 70-80% but the second and third add less so the multiple effect is similar to now without having say 3 webs make over 90% +/-.

currently a signle web for a precious mid at only a max of 60%.... is a bit lame for anything that fights under 5k and the damned webs only go to 10km anyway!

What? Seriously wtf? I'm guessing you don't witness a lot of dread blapping......

Webs are pretty much the most powerful midslot mod you can have O.o

If anything web stacking should be increased and 90% webs should be nerfed..

no you're wrong.

web and scram on a ship without an ab is more effective than before the web nerf web on a ship with an ab is only slightly less effective than pre-nerf see dev blog about it for all the stats. If you unnerf webs then you can't have scrams shutting off mwd's

Because i think they were, the only problem with web strength before was the fact that two would be 99%, we only have a few whips with bonuses to make that a reality now and they can still miss with some turrets and some ranges.

normal ships however, two 60% webs is only 80% and speedy ships can still very easily avoid damage.

Im not saying bring back 90% webs, im saying make ONE web 70-80% but the second and third add less so the multiple effect is similar to now without having say 3 webs make over 90% +/-.

currently a signle web for a precious mid at only a max of 60%.... is a bit lame for anything that fights under 5k and the damned webs only go to 10km anyway!

normal ships however, two 60% webs is only 80% and speedy ships can still very easily avoid damage.

What if some webs had there strength boosted and slowed down both the webber and webee?

80% speed reduction to the target and 60% speed reduction to the user? Now if your a slower ship you can stop a fast ship but at the cost of your own speed.
In a gang your rapier would be able to shut down any 100mn tengu or cynabal but would loose speed, making it an easier target to pop, but in a 1v1 both sides are now equalized somewhat.

nah cant do that, by the same rational falcons jam themselves HOWEVER being more susceptible to them.... that i like..


Every web you have active makes any web on you Xx and strong
.....same as if: every time a falcon jams it lowers its own eccm strength X amount

interesting :D

A kiting ship now webbing you in your web range means he is STILL going faster than you and is about to escape. Unless he is going only 50m/s faster than you he is still going to get away. That also leaves the 90% webs as being completely OP and a death sentence for any ship that falls into web range without a web fitted. Also how does being weaker to webs affect 100km rapiers unless you have 100km rapiers to!

why are you assuming the only thing on the field for either side with tackle at any time is a boosted rapier/arazu.

I am not, I am simply pointing out that your change will leave you with omgwtfbbq tacklers from 100km away with no meaningful drawbacks.

Also your idea will do nothing for other ships other than make a web a mandatory mod to fit if your fighting someone with a web fit, and your reasoning against my idea is flawed.

why shouldnt a web = a web ?!?!?!?!?!

webs work for cruiser and BC, but for BS or frigates they are underwhelming and combine a cross size difference its basically a waste of a slot in most cases.

i love the pirate ships with the strength bonus because fitting a web means actually holding something for your dps and range. normal webs are weak when compared to say a point.

webs currently FAVOUR rockets, small ranged dps, medium mid or large close (multiples needed in most cases)

The old 90% web i remeber well an d was too strong, but 60% is too weak and has no options to increase its strength (would LOVE a rig for this)

its not been seriously thought of worth improving because, general webs do work, but they could do with being more interesting and more effective outside special epic bonuses.

Because i think they were, the only problem with web strength before was the fact that two would be 99%, we only have a few whips with bonuses to make that a reality now and they can still miss with some turrets and some ranges.

normal ships however, two 60% webs is only 80% and speedy ships can still very easily avoid damage.

Im not saying bring back 90% webs, im saying make ONE web 70-80% but the second and third add less so the multiple effect is similar to now without having say 3 webs make over 90% +/-.

currently a signle web for a precious mid at only a max of 60%.... is a bit lame for anything that fights under 5k and the damned webs only go to 10km anyway!

No, the opposite is true. Webs are still too powerful!
After the cruiser buff now almost every cruiser can fit two webs which easily reduces the enemy speed by 80%. This is a death trap for every frigate, including Assault Frigates. Not to mention the bonused ships which can reduce your speed by 90% with just one web.

In my opinion webs should be nerved by either the introduction of a web effect reducing module or rig, or by buffing Assault Frigates with an static web effect reducing bonus.

Yeah perhaps i should have made the thread title "webs are boring and too simple and predictable"

Flown a serpentis blaster boat with a 90% web, its pretty great you can not only stop things getting away with apply that high dps.

All the other blaster boats are crying in the corner, hiding from anything but a class size above them to get their actual dps numbers close to the paper dps.

I like the idea above about limited the serious stone wall webbing of 90% to a lesser range, if it means that a softer 15k+ web can exist as well as a 10km web thats more than 60%.

I see what you mean about an AB would be better than a web, but inside 10k is that really such a bad thing.

A mwd brawler must close to 10k to web then close a further 5k to do some good dps, all while under fire potentially from their target - the answer then is to either fit two webs or a web and dual prop - which seems a bit unfair since the serpentis ships get a single web thats more than 4x as powerful to use their guns.

seems like something needs a tweak when the answer to doing something properly is using a special and some what rare ship, expensive ship.

So why do we think longer ranged webs are a good thing?

i fail to see the problem with a frigate dieing to a cruiser that has the foresight to avoid dieing to a frigate and so fits a second web.

Perhaps the issue here is that webs work the same regardless of mass, perhaps if they did, aka the more mass you have the better a web works on you, type deal, things wouldnt seem so broken when you go outsize of one class when balancing a module like this.

The original role of Assault Frigates was to catch light cruisers.

normal ships however, two 60% webs is only 80% and speedy ships can still very easily avoid damage.

The primary reason for fitting an AB in PvP is to give yourself range control inside of 10 km's. You remove the superiority of an ab over a web, and you remove one of the major reasons for fitting an AB

This is true, and you've also got to consider that you can only have one afterburner. While one afterburner is better than a single web, you can be webbed multiple times, which pretty much negates any speed/sig tank you might be fielding vs a similar sized target (afterburner or no).