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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:17:00 -
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The war vs 5 has pretty much bogged down. I've flown around empire for days and almost never see a hostile. Besides the Atuk based in H-PA I think most of the 5 are elsewhere as I hardly see them. As for Bob coming up maybe 5 invited them, maybe not. I'm sure Bob came up because they thought they'd have some good fights which they'd probably win.
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Black Lightning
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:24:00 -
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Absolutely sure that BoB were called by 5. It's not like they are roaming through space looking for a random fight. They are working in close coordination with The 5. May be 5 won't admit it, but it's clear that BoB came on 5 invitation. And to the op's point. .5. are rarely seen in empire. They are now packed in their only system and are performing hit and run (log) operations.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Lorth on 05/12/2005 23:30:04
 Originally by: Black Lightning
Absolutely sure that BoB were called by 5. It's not like they are roaming through space looking for a random fight. They are working in close coordination with The 5. May be 5 won't admit it, but it's clear that BoB came on 5 invitation. And to the op's point. .5. are rarely seen in empire. They are now packed in their only system and are performing hit and run (log) operations.
I think were doing pretty well actually. We've managed to scare you so much that you can't even post on the forums with out hiding behind an alt. And I don't think anyone in F-E are in a position to accuse 5 of running.
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Hobblin I
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:33:00 -
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Who really cares if they got invited or not. The end result is that they are giving F-E a tough time. Key is to see how F-E copes :)
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:48:00 -
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see sig.
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ps. POST WITH YOUR MAIN
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heyjoe52
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hobblin I
Who really cares if they got invited or not. The end result is that they are giving F-E a tough time. Key is to see how F-E copes :)
exactly
I have a fever, and the only thing that cure it... is more cowbell! |
Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:52:00 -
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Maybe if you werenĘt such a noob and learned how to post with an actual subject line, people would care about your whine. And here it is. Not like we asked for any help, but why is it that it's ok when you call in PA, F-E, MC to your fight against us, but when someone comes to share some of our fun, it deserve a whine on the forums? Maybe that's why we people come to shoot you in a first place, noob. Some noobs just never learn that you have to back up you forum smack with guns in game.
The truth will set you free
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:57:00 -
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5 guy to bob guy- man, the north kicks ass, were tottally creaming these guys
BoB guy- man, that rocks. Theres nothing out where were at
BoB guy to BoB l34der- I wanna go kill stuff /me crys
BoB l34der- WOW, north gets a lot of fights, lets go there.
Thus we have the progression.
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heyjoe52
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:57:00 -
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liet is his main
I have a fever, and the only thing that cure it... is more cowbell! |
Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:05:00 -
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I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun.
Fighting against BoB is well, not so fun (feels like fragfest but whatever pleases them) and fighting against Atuk is, well, boring for the most part. Maybe I should just leave H-PA and start shooting at risk and 4s et all.
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Phoney Lisa
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun.
Fighting against BoB is well, not so fun (feels like fragfest but whatever pleases them) and fighting against Atuk is, well, boring for the most part. Maybe I should just leave H-PA and start shooting at risk and 4s et all.
I thought you guys destroyed 5 or atleast had them on their knees....
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:14:00 -
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That's what one retard is yelling all the time and you haven't seen me post that and neither has there been any official announcement from F-E that this is the case. I am inclined to say that the northern allies *did* win the empire side of this war, but the 0.0 business is far from over.
You people just love to keep "quoting" that do you?
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Phoney Lisa
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
That's what one retard is yelling all the time and you haven't seen me post that and neither has there been any official announcement from F-E that this is the case. I am inclined to say that the northern allies *did* win the empire side of this war, but the 0.0 business is far from over.
You people just love to keep "quoting" that do you?
So you won the Empire war by losing more ships and spending 4B on mercs?
I dont know who else would consider that winning.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
.. Fighting against BoB is well, not so fun (feels like fragfest but whatever pleases them) ...
What do you mean exactly ?
I can assure you we're very happy to fight fun fights. It's just that we don't seem to get many, so we split up into msaller gangs and go gank the **** out of anyone we find anywhere between IMK and C4C.
I mean, that's more or less what's happening atm.
As to "you don't fight, you run from even numbers", "no you do !, we fightoutnumbered all the time" -crap, let's keep that away from me please, I have extremely little tolerance for idiots.
From what I observe, people don't like to go against us with even numbers. I don't blame them really. Let's put that behind us and agree to just try and get nice fights then, we'll be there anyway, not going anywhere.
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Power to the players !
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58
I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun.
Yep. Snig, 206, and contraband are putting up a hellova fight. And they do it without any bragging in local about how 1337 they are. Risk is turing into a very decent organisation. It's been a pleasure fighting them and I hope the fight continues for a long time. |
Aman Sul
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Black Lightning
Absolutely sure that BoB were called by 5. It's not like they are roaming through space looking for a random fight. They are working in close coordination with The 5. May be 5 won't admit it, but it's clear that BoB came on 5 invitation. And to the op's point. .5. are rarely seen in empire. They are now packed in their only system and are performing hit and run (log) operations.
lol?
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Monarch
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58
I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun.
Yep. Snig, 206, and contraband are putting up a hellova fight. And they do it without any bragging in local about how 1337 they are. Risk is turing into a very decent organisation. It's been a pleasure fighting them and I hope the fight continues for a long time.
you mean loosing geddons to us isn't fun?
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Apache
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:38:00 -
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Hi Liet! 
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:41:00 -
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So you won the Empire war by losing more ships and spending 4B on mercs?
I dont know who else would consider that winning.
While [5] might have done a lot of damage during the first few days in Jita, numbers were pretty even (maybe like 45-55) when ATUK moved into Venal. Let's also not forget that the goal was to drive V and [5] from Empire which we succeeded in, be it with mercs or without.
SA hopping in was just a bonus and I look back happily at the evenings where they gave us some nice equal fights in Empire.
I call it a victory if the goals are reached, which is the case in this North vs South thing. The North won the empire part, now let's see who has the longest breath in 0.0.
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What do you mean exactly ?
Oh this was in no way a flame or negative comment, don't get me wrong.
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I can assure you we're very happy to fight fun fights. It's just that we don't seem to get many, so we split up into msaller gangs and go gank the **** out of anyone we find anywhere between IMK and C4C.
Well you have to admit that the fights last weekend in Trib haven't been very fun or have they? I wasn't there, but it didn't look pretty.
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As to "you don't fight, you run from even numbers", "no you do !, we fightoutnumbered all the time" -crap, let's keep that away from me please, I have extremely little tolerance for idiots.
I'm tired of that argument as well as well as the drone/lag thing. It happens and there's no need to keep bringing it up as an excuse 'yes we know <insert alliance> can't lose except with lag now move along nothing to see here'
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From what I observe, people don't like to go against us with even numbers. I don't blame them really. Let's put that behind us and agree to just try and get nice fights then, we'll be there anyway, not going anywhere.
Well, I have been saying several times before that on the PvP part of this game several factions are on an entirely different level that others. BoB, G and RA being the most obvious examples, while [5] in their original situation was very good as well. It has a lot to do with the casual gamers vs die-hard players, as well as with the mindset of the people in those alliances.
I will openly admit F-E is in a lower league than BoB or G. However, I don't see the point of going against 'weaker' players, by lack of a better sentence. In every other online game I ever played (and there were quite a few) the best players compete amongst each other. Sure, there's the occasional griefer that preys on the newbies, but generally speaking good players compete with good players, mediocres with mediocres etc. Not so in Eve.
For example, BoB coming over to Tribute looks to me like looking for cheap kills. You know very well we're focused on getting rid of ATUK from H-PA and you are fully aware coming in with a 20-strong squad of HAC's and t2 fitted BS will get you tons of cheap kills. Would we have been mining our asses of for two weeks because we have a NAP with everyone, I'd understand, but as it is it *looks* like [5] screaming out for help and BoB coming to their aid, much like the early days of -V- vs Foundation where [5] came over to help whenever Light Darkness pushed the button.
Sure, there were no fleet commanders on and calling a Vagabond primary isnt exactly bright either, but the point stands.
It would, to me, be far more logical from a fun vs time played perspective to find a target about as strong (preferably 95% as strong) as yourself and go for it. For me PvP is all about the thrill - to be *just* strong enough to beat one, or just not strong enough and exchange well-meant "gf's". To setup that perfect trap and lure someone into it.
Getting splattered by a group of players that are likely 4 times as rich and at least twice as good at fleet fights is not my definition of fun. Neither is ganking a lone Battleship because he happens to jump into you.
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Angus Therm0pyle
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58
I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun.
Yep. Snig, 206, and contraband are putting up a hellova fight. And they do it without any bragging in local about how 1337 they are. Risk is turing into a very decent organisation. It's been a pleasure fighting them and I hope the fight continues for a long time.
c-f?
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Asakura Nemu
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:45:00 -
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Let's also not forget that the goal was to drive V and [5] from Empire which we succeeded in, be it with mercs or without.
Yes, you are quite right. Drivin your enemy to live in your allies(PA) home space is surely succeeding a goal now is it?
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Asakura Nemu
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:48:00 -
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Why would we need to call for help? Everytime ATUK gets over 30 battleships together there is no enemy to be seen
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58
I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun.
Fighting against BoB is well, not so fun (feels like fragfest but whatever pleases them) and fighting against Atuk is, well, boring for the most part. Maybe I should just leave H-PA and start shooting at risk and 4s et all.
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Maybe if you werenĘt such a noob and learned how to post with an actual subject line, people would care about your whine. And here it is. Not like we asked for any help, but why is it that it's ok when you call in PA, F-E, MC to your fight against us, but when someone comes to share some of our fun, it deserve a whine on the forums? Maybe that's why we people come to shoot you in a first place, noob. Some noobs just never learn that you have to back up you forum smack with guns in game
Blah blah smack smack ur a nublet bla bla we're t3h uber. Typical. It's almost H-PA local.
Let's not forget that it was V/SA/Risk/[5] vs NBSI/FE/PA/MC a month ago. None of this 'the world vs [5]' please.
MC is having fun with V while getting paid so they're happy. FE is having fun with Risk in Tribute and NBSI is pretty much shooting evertyone. PA is probably NPC'ing or something or mining in BKG cos I haven't seen any in weeks. ATUK (the rest of The Five isn't even in the North judging from your own very accurate killboard) is just sitting in H-PA blobbing up against 3 snipers, trying to kill a PoS and sending a gank squad down to IMK twice a day killing the dumb NPC'ers.
Today was a classic in Alliance chat:
<someone> 'damn [5] in H-W now I have to stop NPC'ing' (mind you [5] had been in H-W for quite a while).
Keep killing em if you please; we don't need people like that in 0.0 anyway and it's time that 2k numbers goes down a little to an actual realistic size.
with my last post here for some time i would like to make it known
i have a strong belief that you are in some way retarded on a mental level.
STAN
FACTA NON VERBA
ALTS FTL |
StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 06/12/2005 00:55:07
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58
I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun.
Fighting against BoB is well, not so fun (feels like fragfest but whatever pleases them) and fighting against Atuk is, well, boring for the most part. Maybe I should just leave H-PA and start shooting at risk and 4s et all.
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Maybe if you werenĘt such a noob and learned how to post with an actual subject line, people would care about your whine. And here it is. Not like we asked for any help, but why is it that it's ok when you call in PA, F-E, MC to your fight against us, but when someone comes to share some of our fun, it deserve a whine on the forums? Maybe that's why we people come to shoot you in a first place, noob. Some noobs just never learn that you have to back up you forum smack with guns in game
Blah blah smack smack ur a nublet bla bla we're t3h uber. Typical. It's almost H-PA local.
Let's not forget that it was V/SA/Risk/[5] vs NBSI/FE/PA/MC a month ago. None of this 'the world vs [5]' please.
MC is having fun with V while getting paid so they're happy. FE is having fun with Risk in Tribute and NBSI is pretty much shooting evertyone. PA is probably NPC'ing or something or mining in BKG cos I haven't seen any in weeks. ATUK (the rest of The Five isn't even in the North judging from your own very accurate killboard) is just sitting in H-PA blobbing up against 3 snipers, trying to kill a PoS and sending a gank squad down to IMK twice a day killing the dumb NPC'ers.
Today was a classic in Alliance chat:
<someone> 'damn [5] in H-W now I have to stop NPC'ing' (mind you [5] had been in H-W for quite a while).
Keep killing em if you please; we don't need people like that in 0.0 anyway and it's time that 2k numbers goes down a little to an actual realistic size.
with my last post here for some time i would like to make it known
i have a strong belief that you are in some way retarded if you actually believe any of what you have written in any of your above quotes
STAN
FACTA NON VERBA
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
too long to quote
That's one damn nice post Shayla.
First time I see people openly calling it as honestly as they feel it without need for posturing and so on.
Let me tell you, we'd love to fight G for example, but G isn't around atm, and won't be around enought o fully satisfy our needs anyway 
So, I'm afriad that since we are a very predatory allaince we'll be doing our usual 'wasteland creation service' thing for the foreseeable future.
But remember what spawned one of the alliances you now name as those on that different level. G was born from the GNW, and while I dont presume to act like it was our doing that they becomae as strong as they are, and as coordinated as they are sometimes, our pressure most certainly fueled part of that engine.
So while we're being honest, let me say that no fight fought is ever totally lost when you at least try and improve performance. No matter what the count at the end says, and how many people will use that count as propaganda (which happens to be a part of the game I like in a roleplayish kind of sense), it is almost certainly better to engage and do part of it right, then to retreat and have done nothing.
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Power to the players !
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Asakura Nemu
Why would we need to call for help? Everytime ATUK gets over 30 battleships together there is no enemy to be seen
While I hate to add to what will no doubt end up in a smack fest. I think this above line is the truth. I was extreemly disapointed by the lack of any sort of fights. During my time up in h-pa, we would forum a fleet, and wait for f-e and friends to show up. For weeks we waited, and they never came. Despite all the forum postering, it would seem f-e are unwilling, at least lately, to actually fight this fight in game.
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Aman Sul
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Aman Sul on 06/12/2005 00:59:19
78 kills 14 of them being Battleships in a span of 23hrs. Alliance chat logs showing your members whining about loosing ships others frustrated at the lack of leadership and coordination in YOUR alliance. This on a slow day and with BoB also lurking about.
So yeah we need all the help we can get 
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.12.06 00:59:00 -
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Heh, well I must say being in the north is totally satisfying my hunger for kills 
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.12.06 01:07:00 -
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I'm just curious if FE actually realizes how many ships they lost this weekend. I had saturday off from work and I know alot of my comrades did as well, and in my gang for about the past 72 hours it's just been killmail after killmail after killmail, most of them being FE. After I got back and took a break I started talking with other gang's out roaming and was amazed to see the same result, just slaughter after slaughter everywhere we were.
I'll give FE total props, of all the fights I've been involved with, you guys have at least showed up and tried, which is a helluva lot more I can say for G/IRON/RAZOR/PA/NBSI/Basically everyone else up north. Keep making those blips over in tribute, and we'll keep coming to visit
-Druid
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.12.06 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Aman Sul
Edited by: Aman Sul on 06/12/2005 00:59:19
78 kills 14 of them being Battleships in a span of 23hrs. Alliance chat logs showing your members whining about loosing ships others frustrated at the lack of leadership and coordination in YOUR alliance. This on a slow day and with BoB also lurking about.
So yeah we need all the help we can get
Your bragging over 78 kills? in one day? Tbh for nearly a month straight nbsi killboard has had nearly if not over 100 kills a day. last week alone we had over 70 bs kills.
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