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Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:17:00 - [1] The war vs 5 has pretty much bogged down. I've flown around empire for days and almost never see a hostile. Besides the Atuk based in H-PA I think most of the 5 are elsewhere as I hardly see them. As for Bob coming up maybe 5 invited them, maybe not. I'm sure Bob came up because they thought they'd have some good fights which they'd probably win.
Black Lightning	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:24:00 - [2] Absolutely sure that BoB were called by 5. It's not like they are roaming through space looking for a random fight. They are working in close coordination with The 5. May be 5 won't admit it, but it's clear that BoB came on 5 invitation. And to the op's point. .5. are rarely seen in empire. They are now packed in their only system and are performing hit and run (log) operations.
Lorth	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:30:00 - [3] Edited by: Lorth on 05/12/2005 23:30:04 Originally by: Black Lightning Absolutely sure that BoB were called by 5. It's not like they are roaming through space looking for a random fight. They are working in close coordination with The 5. May be 5 won't admit it, but it's clear that BoB came on 5 invitation. And to the op's point. .5. are rarely seen in empire. They are now packed in their only system and are performing hit and run (log) operations. I think were doing pretty well actually. We've managed to scare you so much that you can't even post on the forums with out hiding behind an alt. And I don't think anyone in F-E are in a position to accuse 5 of running.
Hobblin I	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:33:00 - [4] Who really cares if they got invited or not. The end result is that they are giving F-E a tough time. Key is to see how F-E copes :)
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:48:00 - [5] see sig. .... ps. POST WITH YOUR MAIN
heyjoe52	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Hobblin I Who really cares if they got invited or not. The end result is that they are giving F-E a tough time. Key is to see how F-E copes :) exactly I have a fever, and the only thing that cure it... is more cowbell!
Metal Dude	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:52:00 - [7] Maybe if you werenÆt such a noob and learned how to post with an actual subject line, people would care about your whine. And here it is. Not like we asked for any help, but why is it that it's ok when you call in PA, F-E, MC to your fight against us, but when someone comes to share some of our fun, it deserve a whine on the forums? Maybe that's why we people come to shoot you in a first place, noob. Some noobs just never learn that you have to back up you forum smack with guns in game. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Dust Angel	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:57:00 - [8] 5 guy to bob guy- man, the north kicks ass, were tottally creaming these guys BoB guy- man, that rocks. Theres nothing out where were at BoB guy to BoB l34der- I wanna go kill stuff /me crys BoB l34der- WOW, north gets a lot of fights, lets go there. Thus we have the progression.
heyjoe52	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:57:00 - [9] liet is his main I have a fever, and the only thing that cure it... is more cowbell!
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:05:00 - [10] I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Fighting against BoB is well, not so fun (feels like fragfest but whatever pleases them) and fighting against Atuk is, well, boring for the most part. Maybe I should just leave H-PA and start shooting at risk and 4s et all.
Phoney Lisa	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Fighting against BoB is well, not so fun (feels like fragfest but whatever pleases them) and fighting against Atuk is, well, boring for the most part. Maybe I should just leave H-PA and start shooting at risk and 4s et all. I thought you guys destroyed 5 or atleast had them on their knees....
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:14:00 - [12] That's what one retard is yelling all the time and you haven't seen me post that and neither has there been any official announcement from F-E that this is the case. I am inclined to say that the northern allies did win the empire side of this war, but the 0.0 business is far from over. You people just love to keep "quoting" that do you?
Phoney Lisa	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux That's what one retard is yelling all the time and you haven't seen me post that and neither has there been any official announcement from F-E that this is the case. I am inclined to say that the northern allies did win the empire side of this war, but the 0.0 business is far from over. You people just love to keep "quoting" that do you? So you won the Empire war by losing more ships and spending 4B on mercs? I dont know who else would consider that winning.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux .. Fighting against BoB is well, not so fun (feels like fragfest but whatever pleases them) ... What do you mean exactly ? I can assure you we're very happy to fight fun fights. It's just that we don't seem to get many, so we split up into msaller gangs and go gank the **** out of anyone we find anywhere between IMK and C4C. I mean, that's more or less what's happening atm. As to "you don't fight, you run from even numbers", "no you do !, we fightoutnumbered all the time" -crap, let's keep that away from me please, I have extremely little tolerance for idiots. From what I observe, people don't like to go against us with even numbers. I don't blame them really. Let's put that behind us and agree to just try and get nice fights then, we'll be there anyway, not going anywhere. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58 I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Yep. Snig, 206, and contraband are putting up a hellova fight. And they do it without any bragging in local about how 1337 they are. Risk is turing into a very decent organisation. It's been a pleasure fighting them and I hope the fight continues for a long time.
Aman Sul	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Black Lightning Absolutely sure that BoB were called by 5. It's not like they are roaming through space looking for a random fight. They are working in close coordination with The 5. May be 5 won't admit it, but it's clear that BoB came on 5 invitation. And to the op's point. .5. are rarely seen in empire. They are now packed in their only system and are performing hit and run (log) operations. lol? "Oh yeah there's enough for erbody"
Monarch	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:32:00 - [17] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58 I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Yep. Snig, 206, and contraband are putting up a hellova fight. And they do it without any bragging in local about how 1337 they are. Risk is turing into a very decent organisation. It's been a pleasure fighting them and I hope the fight continues for a long time. you mean loosing geddons to us isn't fun?
Apache	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:38:00 - [18] Hi Liet!
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:41:00 - [19] Quote: So you won the Empire war by losing more ships and spending 4B on mercs? I dont know who else would consider that winning. While [5] might have done a lot of damage during the first few days in Jita, numbers were pretty even (maybe like 45-55) when ATUK moved into Venal. Let's also not forget that the goal was to drive V and [5] from Empire which we succeeded in, be it with mercs or without. SA hopping in was just a bonus and I look back happily at the evenings where they gave us some nice equal fights in Empire. I call it a victory if the goals are reached, which is the case in this North vs South thing. The North won the empire part, now let's see who has the longest breath in 0.0. Quote: What do you mean exactly ? Oh this was in no way a flame or negative comment, don't get me wrong. Quote: I can assure you we're very happy to fight fun fights. It's just that we don't seem to get many, so we split up into msaller gangs and go gank the ** out of anyone we find anywhere between IMK and C4C. Well you have to admit that the fights last weekend in Trib haven't been very fun or have they? I wasn't there, but it didn't look pretty. Quote: As to "you don't fight, you run from even numbers", "no you do !, we fightoutnumbered all the time" -crap, let's keep that away from me please, I have extremely little tolerance for idiots. I'm tired of that argument as well as well as the drone/lag thing. It happens and there's no need to keep bringing it up as an excuse 'yes we know <insert alliance> can't lose except with lag now move along nothing to see here' Quote:** From what I observe, people don't like to go against us with even numbers. I don't blame them really. Let's put that behind us and agree to just try and get nice fights then, we'll be there anyway, not going anywhere. Well, I have been saying several times before that on the PvP part of this game several factions are on an entirely different level that others. BoB, G and RA being the most obvious examples, while [5] in their original situation was very good as well. It has a lot to do with the casual gamers vs die-hard players, as well as with the mindset of the people in those alliances. I will openly admit F-E is in a lower league than BoB or G. However, I don't see the point of going against 'weaker' players, by lack of a better sentence. In every other online game I ever played (and there were quite a few) the best players compete amongst each other. Sure, there's the occasional griefer that preys on the newbies, but generally speaking good players compete with good players, mediocres with mediocres etc. Not so in Eve. For example, BoB coming over to Tribute looks to me like looking for cheap kills. You know very well we're focused on getting rid of ATUK from H-PA and you are fully aware coming in with a 20-strong squad of HAC's and t2 fitted BS will get you tons of cheap kills. Would we have been mining our asses of for two weeks because we have a NAP with everyone, I'd understand, but as it is it looks like [5] screaming out for help and BoB coming to their aid, much like the early days of -V- vs Foundation where [5] came over to help whenever Light Darkness pushed the button. Sure, there were no fleet commanders on and calling a Vagabond primary isnt exactly bright either, but the point stands. It would, to me, be far more logical from a fun vs time played perspective to find a target about as strong (preferably 95% as strong) as yourself and go for it. For me PvP is all about the thrill - to be just strong enough to beat one, or just not strong enough and exchange well-meant "gf's". To setup that perfect trap and lure someone into it. Getting splattered by a group of players that are likely 4 times as rich and at least twice as good at fleet fights is not my definition of fun. Neither is ganking a lone Battleship because he happens to jump into you.
Angus Therm0pyle	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:44:00 - [20] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58 I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Yep. Snig, 206, and contraband are putting up a hellova fight. And they do it without any bragging in local about how 1337 they are. Risk is turing into a very decent organisation. It's been a pleasure fighting them and I hope the fight continues for a long time. c-f? ---------------
Asakura Nemu	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:45:00 - [21] Quote: Let's also not forget that the goal was to drive V and [5] from Empire which we succeeded in, be it with mercs or without. Yes, you are quite right. Drivin your enemy to live in your allies(PA) home space is surely succeeding a goal now is it?
Asakura Nemu	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:48:00 - [22] Why would we need to call for help? Everytime ATUK gets over 30 battleships together there is no enemy to be seen
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58 I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Fighting against BoB is well, not so fun (feels like fragfest but whatever pleases them) and fighting against Atuk is, well, boring for the most part. Maybe I should just leave H-PA and start shooting at risk and 4s et all. Quote: Maybe if you werenÆt such a noob and learned how to post with an actual subject line, people would care about your whine. And here it is. Not like we asked for any help, but why is it that it's ok when you call in PA, F-E, MC to your fight against us, but when someone comes to share some of our fun, it deserve a whine on the forums? Maybe that's why we people come to shoot you in a first place, noob. Some noobs just never learn that you have to back up you forum smack with guns in game Blah blah smack smack ur a nublet bla bla we're t3h uber. Typical. It's almost H-PA local. Let's not forget that it was V/SA/Risk/[5] vs NBSI/FE/PA/MC a month ago. None of this 'the world vs [5]' please. MC is having fun with V while getting paid so they're happy. FE is having fun with Risk in Tribute and NBSI is pretty much shooting evertyone. PA is probably NPC'ing or something or mining in BKG cos I haven't seen any in weeks. ATUK (the rest of The Five isn't even in the North judging from your own very accurate killboard) is just sitting in H-PA blobbing up against 3 snipers, trying to kill a PoS and sending a gank squad down to IMK twice a day killing the dumb NPC'ers. Today was a classic in Alliance chat: <someone> 'damn [5] in H-W now I have to stop NPC'ing' (mind you [5] had been in H-W for quite a while). Keep killing em if you please; we don't need people like that in 0.0 anyway and it's time that 2k numbers goes down a little to an actual realistic size. with my last post here for some time i would like to make it known i have a strong belief that you are in some way retarded on a mental level. STAN FACTA NON VERBA ALTS FTL
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:54:00 - [24] Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 06/12/2005 00:55:07 Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58 I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Fighting against BoB is well, not so fun (feels like fragfest but whatever pleases them) and fighting against Atuk is, well, boring for the most part. Maybe I should just leave H-PA and start shooting at risk and 4s et all. Quote: Maybe if you werenÆt such a noob and learned how to post with an actual subject line, people would care about your whine. And here it is. Not like we asked for any help, but why is it that it's ok when you call in PA, F-E, MC to your fight against us, but when someone comes to share some of our fun, it deserve a whine on the forums? Maybe that's why we people come to shoot you in a first place, noob. Some noobs just never learn that you have to back up you forum smack with guns in game Blah blah smack smack ur a nublet bla bla we're t3h uber. Typical. It's almost H-PA local. Let's not forget that it was V/SA/Risk/[5] vs NBSI/FE/PA/MC a month ago. None of this 'the world vs [5]' please. MC is having fun with V while getting paid so they're happy. FE is having fun with Risk in Tribute and NBSI is pretty much shooting evertyone. PA is probably NPC'ing or something or mining in BKG cos I haven't seen any in weeks. ATUK (the rest of The Five isn't even in the North judging from your own very accurate killboard) is just sitting in H-PA blobbing up against 3 snipers, trying to kill a PoS and sending a gank squad down to IMK twice a day killing the dumb NPC'ers. Today was a classic in Alliance chat: <someone> 'damn [5] in H-W now I have to stop NPC'ing' (mind you [5] had been in H-W for quite a while). Keep killing em if you please; we don't need people like that in 0.0 anyway and it's time that 2k numbers goes down a little to an actual realistic size. with my last post here for some time i would like to make it known i have a strong belief that you are in some way retarded if you actually believe any of what you have written in any of your above quotes STAN FACTA NON VERBA ALTS FTL
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux too long to quote That's one damn nice post Shayla. First time I see people openly calling it as honestly as they feel it without need for posturing and so on. Let me tell you, we'd love to fight G for example, but G isn't around atm, and won't be around enought o fully satisfy our needs anyway So, I'm afriad that since we are a very predatory allaince we'll be doing our usual 'wasteland creation service' thing for the foreseeable future. But remember what spawned one of the alliances you now name as those on that different level. G was born from the GNW, and while I dont presume to act like it was our doing that they becomae as strong as they are, and as coordinated as they are sometimes, our pressure most certainly fueled part of that engine. So while we're being honest, let me say that no fight fought is ever totally lost when you at least try and improve performance. No matter what the count at the end says, and how many people will use that count as propaganda (which happens to be a part of the game I like in a roleplayish kind of sense), it is almost certainly better to engage and do part of it right, then to retreat and have done nothing. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Lorth	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Asakura Nemu Why would we need to call for help? Everytime ATUK gets over 30 battleships together there is no enemy to be seen While I hate to add to what will no doubt end up in a smack fest. I think this above line is the truth. I was extreemly disapointed by the lack of any sort of fights. During my time up in h-pa, we would forum a fleet, and wait for f-e and friends to show up. For weeks we waited, and they never came. Despite all the forum postering, it would seem f-e are unwilling, at least lately, to actually fight this fight in game.
Aman Sul	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:58:00 - [27] Edited by: Aman Sul on 06/12/2005 00:59:19 78 kills 14 of them being Battleships in a span of 23hrs. Alliance chat logs showing your members whining about loosing ships others frustrated at the lack of leadership and coordination in YOUR alliance. This on a slow day and with BoB also lurking about. So yeah we need all the help we can get "Oh yeah there's enough for erbody"
Dracorimus	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:59:00 - [28] Heh, well I must say being in the north is totally satisfying my hunger for kills - For more than a single foe to attempt to fight the Reikoku at once is an act of supreme folley.
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.12.06 01:07:00 - [29] I'm just curious if FE actually realizes how many ships they lost this weekend. I had saturday off from work and I know alot of my comrades did as well, and in my gang for about the past 72 hours it's just been killmail after killmail after killmail, most of them being FE. After I got back and took a break I started talking with other gang's out roaming and was amazed to see the same result, just slaughter after slaughter everywhere we were. I'll give FE total props, of all the fights I've been involved with, you guys have at least showed up and tried, which is a helluva lot more I can say for G/IRON/RAZOR/PA/NBSI/Basically everyone else up north. Keep making those blips over in tribute, and we'll keep coming to visit -Druid
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.12.06 01:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Aman Sul Edited by: Aman Sul on 06/12/2005 00:59:19 78 kills 14 of them being Battleships in a span of 23hrs. Alliance chat logs showing your members whining about loosing ships others frustrated at the lack of leadership and coordination in YOUR alliance. This on a slow day and with BoB also lurking about. So yeah we need all the help we can get Your bragging over 78 kills? in one day? Tbh for nearly a month straight nbsi killboard has had nearly if not over 100 kills a day. last week alone we had over 70 bs kills.
Asakura Nemu	Posted - 2005.12.06 01:14:00 - [31] Originally by: Uggs386 Originally by: Aman Sul Edited by: Aman Sul on 06/12/2005 00:59:19 78 kills 14 of them being Battleships in a span of 23hrs. Alliance chat logs showing your members whining about loosing ships others frustrated at the lack of leadership and coordination in YOUR alliance. This on a slow day and with BoB also lurking about. So yeah we need all the help we can get Your bragging over 78 kills? in one day? Tbh for nearly a month straight nbsi killboard has had nearly if not over 100 kills a day. last week alone we had over 70 bs kills. He is just replyin to a mlm member sayin we just sit in H-PA and blob up to kill a few snipers allday long.
Atob	Posted - 2005.12.06 01:29:00 - [32] 160 members of F-E have left in the last 2 hrs Yes you heard it TWO hrs
Recscue	Posted - 2005.12.06 02:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Atob 160 members of F-E have left in the last 2 hrs Yes you heard it TWO hrs You might want to look into the purpose of whats going on... Like a sizeable corp leaving F-E and creating their own alliance...
Atob	Posted - 2005.12.06 02:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Recscue Originally by: Atob 160 members of F-E have left in the last 2 hrs Yes you heard it TWO hrs You might want to look into the purpose of whats going on... Like a sizeable corp leaving F-E and creating their own alliance... No explanation is required. Let the numbers do the talking.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 02:09:00 - [35] Originally by: Atob 160 members of F-E have left in the last 2 hrs Yes you heard it TWO hrs lol. arent you perceptive. species joined us temporarily for the purpose of convienent standings while cujo trained up em control lvl 5. are we dead yet?
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 02:10:00 - [36] Originally by: Monarch Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58 I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Yep. Snig, 206, and contraband are putting up a hellova fight. And they do it without any bragging in local about how 1337 they are. Risk is turing into a very decent organisation. It's been a pleasure fighting them and I hope the fight continues for a long time. you mean loosing geddons to us isn't fun? still bitter cause we kicked you from GODS I see. Dude, get over it. That was a long time ago.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 02:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Angus Therm0pyle Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58 I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Yep. Snig, 206, and contraband are putting up a hellova fight. And they do it without any bragging in local about how 1337 they are. Risk is turing into a very decent organisation. It's been a pleasure fighting them and I hope the fight continues for a long time. c-f? nah. c-f hasnt been up here in force as of yet, but im starting to see them up here tonight so maybe things will change.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.06 02:35:00 - [38] "I will openly admit F-E is in a lower league than BoB or G. However, I don't see the point of going against 'weaker' players, by lack of a better sentence. In every other online game I ever played (and there were quite a few) the best players compete amongst each other. Sure, there's the occasional griefer that preys on the newbies, but generally speaking good players compete with good players, mediocres with mediocres etc. Not so in Eve." Rod has already mentioned that, but... if we accept this as true for the sake of discussion, couldn't you look at it like a way for mediocre players to have good opportunity to improve? A conflict like that can give a pretty good glimpse into how 'higher level' players operate and organize themselves, what sorts of tactics they use and to what effect. This (learning by example, observation and then practice) is after all how many 'high level' players got where they are... and the only real factor that prevents the 'mediocre' players from getting there too, is unwilingness to try and stick to it until there's good results. ^^;;
Monarch	Posted - 2005.12.06 02:41:00 - [39] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Monarch Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58 I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Yep. Snig, 206, and contraband are putting up a hellova fight. And they do it without any bragging in local about how 1337 they are. Risk is turing into a very decent organisation. It's been a pleasure fighting them and I hope the fight continues for a long time. you mean loosing geddons to us isn't fun? still bitter cause we kicked you from GODS I see. Dude, get over it. That was a long time ago. LOL seriously stop dropping acid in your morning milk
Aman Sul	Posted - 2005.12.06 02:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Uggs386 Originally by: Aman Sul Edited by: Aman Sul on 06/12/2005 00:59:19 78 kills 14 of them being Battleships in a span of 23hrs. Alliance chat logs showing your members whining about loosing ships others frustrated at the lack of leadership and coordination in YOUR alliance. This on a slow day and with BoB also lurking about. So yeah we need all the help we can get Your bragging over 78 kills? in one day? Tbh for nearly a month straight nbsi killboard has had nearly if not over 100 kills a day. last week alone we had over 70 bs kills. Nope not bragging at all even though my reference was to JUST the ATUK killboard and not the [5] killboard. But if you must know 100 kills in one day for OUR alliance is a ****ty day. Buta anyways you are welcome to drop in on us we live in h-pa BTW bring something more substancial than what you brough today. "Oh yeah there's enough for erbody"
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.12.06 02:55:00 - [41] Originally by: Aman Sul Originally by: Uggs386 Originally by: Aman Sul Edited by: Aman Sul on 06/12/2005 00:59:19 78 kills 14 of them being Battleships in a span of 23hrs. Alliance chat logs showing your members whining about loosing ships others frustrated at the lack of leadership and coordination in YOUR alliance. This on a slow day and with BoB also lurking about. So yeah we need all the help we can get Your bragging over 78 kills? in one day? Tbh for nearly a month straight nbsi killboard has had nearly if not over 100 kills a day. last week alone we had over 70 bs kills. Nope not bragging at all even though my reference was to JUST the ATUK killboard and not the [5] killboard. But if you must know 100 kills in one day for OUR alliance is a ****ty day. Buta anyways you are welcome to drop in on us we live in h-pa BTW bring something more substancial than what you brough today. Sorry our main goal is moving our stuff, so you wont see any show of force atm, maybe after we have completed the move.
ProbeSpecialist	Posted - 2005.12.06 02:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Aman Sul Nope not bragging at all even though my reference was to JUST the ATUK killboard and not the [5] killboard. But if you must know 100 kills in one day for OUR alliance is a ****ty day. QFOMGWTFPWNAGE
ReForMatt	Posted - 2005.12.06 03:26:00 - [43] Edited by: ReForMatt on 06/12/2005 03:27:33 Originally by: Monarch Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Monarch Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 06/12/2005 00:11:58 I'm being told fighting against RISK is actually fun. Yep. Snig, 206, and contraband are putting up a hellova fight. And they do it without any bragging in local about how 1337 they are. Risk is turing into a very decent organisation. It's been a pleasure fighting them and I hope the fight continues for a long time. you mean loosing geddons to us isn't fun? still bitter cause we kicked you from GODS I see. Dude, get over it. That was a long time ago. LOL seriously stop dropping acid in your morning milk By the sounds of it he is still bitter from the boot as well. GODS NUFF SAID!!
Ituralde	Posted - 2005.12.06 03:35:00 - [44] I really don't mind joining up with a crew and getting my ass handed to me by some .5. or BoB guys. I'm even happy to admit that they are better pvpers than us. Alot of us F-E guys have not been playing EVE since the time of the flood and inherrently can't stand up to you in equal numbers. Ok, I said it, that's right, You guys are better than me. Howevever, its really hilarious when you guys fly against a more numerous alliance of weaker players and are SHOCKED when we have the AUDACITY to outnumber you. And then, smacktalk in local and on the forums about how superior you are to us when you kill more of our ships. Guess what? NOBODY CARES. F-E will not die so easily. We can fight seriously on our own terms, and unless you guys can gather enough will to fight us on our own terms, we won't be defeated. So, suck it up. Fight some battles where you are massively outnumbered. Our advantage is in numbers, you had better beleive we wish to take full advantage of it. Don't like it? Fight somebody smaller. Napoleon never complained at the Battle of Austerlitz because he was outnumbered. Anyhow, if you are so darn good as you say, you will be able to counter our numbers. Until then, feel free to waste hours on end running when we break a gatecamp after you gank a ship or two. I'd also like to take the time to give my official apology to BoB, as i have yet to have the time to get out and join the fight against you guys. If you choose to smacktalk, do be sure to make it more creative than what the .5. has been doing, they are really falling down on the job when it comes to interesting things to be said. P.S. Personal feelings from a grunt, no official message whatsoever is included in the above.
Monarch	Posted - 2005.12.06 04:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Ituralde I really don't mind joining up with a crew and getting my ass handed to me by some .5. or BoB guys. I'm even happy to admit that they are better pvpers than us. Alot of us F-E guys have not been playing EVE since the time of the flood and inherrently can't stand up to you in equal numbers. Ok, I said it, that's right, You guys are better than me. Howevever, its really hilarious when you guys fly against a more numerous alliance of weaker players and are SHOCKED when we have the AUDACITY to outnumber you. And then, smacktalk in local and on the forums about how superior you are to us when you kill more of our ships. Guess what? NOBODY CARES. F-E will not die so easily. We can fight seriously on our own terms, and unless you guys can gather enough will to fight us on our own terms, we won't be defeated. So, suck it up. Fight some battles where you are massively outnumbered. Our advantage is in numbers, you had better beleive we wish to take full advantage of it. Don't like it? Fight somebody smaller. Napoleon never complained at the Battle of Austerlitz because he was outnumbered. Anyhow, if you are so darn good as you say, you will be able to counter our numbers. Until then, feel free to waste hours on end running when we break a gatecamp after you gank a ship or two. I'd also like to take the time to give my official apology to BoB, as i have yet to have the time to get out and join the fight against you guys. If you choose to smacktalk, do be sure to make it more creative than what the .5. has been doing, they are really falling down on the job when it comes to interesting things to be said. P.S. Personal feelings from a grunt, no official message whatsoever is included in the above. From 1 grunt to another : I think we have been doing a decent job of coutering your numbers our killboard shows that. I dont agree with any1 even from our alliance that complains about numbers, it's your space you should defend it as best as you can with what you have available. I also dont think we are here to see F-E die (could get slapped for saying that) It's just a place to be and fight. Have we fought aoutnumbered sure . I think the problem is when you bring "silly" numbers because it's like asking us to either do a HUN (with better ships) or just leave and not get a fight. Having said that it's your space and you choose how to defend it. (from 1 grunt to another) P.S. Steph should remember our conversation if she doesnt the it's the acid.
Sorja	Posted - 2005.12.06 04:39:00 - [46] Originally by: j0sephine "I will openly admit F-E is in a lower league than BoB or G. However, I don't see the point of going against 'weaker' players, by lack of a better sentence. In every other online game I ever played (and there were quite a few) the best players compete amongst each other. Sure, there's the occasional griefer that preys on the newbies, but generally speaking good players compete with good players, mediocres with mediocres etc. Not so in Eve." Rod has already mentioned that, but... if we accept this as true for the sake of discussion, couldn't you look at it like a way for mediocre players to have good opportunity to improve? A conflict like that can give a pretty good glimpse into how 'higher level' players operate and organize themselves, what sorts of tactics they use and to what effect. Bah, that sounds good and all but I don't think it's true. Some people never learn, and it doesn't mean they are idiots, it only means they are good in other areas, you can't be good at everything. More, EVE is a grind game; when engaged in the typical fights against the best PvPers in EVE, you can't do nothing with low skillpoints people. There's a difference between a tech I and tech II fitted battleship, a big difference and this is only taking guns into account, there are tons of important mandatory 'support' skills. Frigates fights, unfortunately, are irrelevant in full scale wars, you need the big guns; and now with dreads and soon Titans, CCP has achieved to ruin what was left of the concept of 'fair' fights. I wish I'm wrong on this one, time will tell. The best PvPers go to the best PvP alliances, it's a fact, everybody knows how many experienced pilots have left their alliance to meet people with the same skills/mindset. Some don't do it, from loyalty or challenge or whatever though. At the end of the day, when BoB wins an even fight, it's only logical and there's nothing to brag about. If they lose it, though, that's an incredible achievement for their opponents who will win much more than a simple victory. For some time, it appeared logical BoB should have taken on 5, when 5 was at the top of it's power. They did not, for reasons valid or not, it doesn't really matter. But BoB joining with 5? Heh, that's a bit easy ____________________________________ Let's make the MK2 Moa a ship worth flying.
Lorth	Posted - 2005.12.06 05:59:00 - [47] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Atob 160 members of F-E have left in the last 2 hrs Yes you heard it TWO hrs lol. arent you perceptive. species joined us temporarily for the purpose of convienent standings while cujo trained up em control lvl 5. are we dead yet? Only a week ago, you were bragging about 5 losing some 150 members over the course of 2 weeks. It was used as a basis for your allience winning the empire war, and as a statment as to how much we suck, and how well your doing. More so, you used that statment as a jumping point as to how we were only staying in h-pa, and using sniper fleets because we couldn't deal with you. Further, the boost in your numbers, brought about by the temperary recrutment of Species, as well as a number of punching bag noob corps, was also used in the campain of forum flamage against the 5. Remember, F-E, grew during this war, a statment used widely as proof of 5's ineffectivness, and the allmightyness of the Forsaken Empire. Now we have started actually focusing more then the occastional gank squad against you. And despite all the postering on the forums, this weekend saw nothing that could be called resistance, in any shape or forum. Keep up the campain of fighting on the forum, and hiding in game, and Species will not be the last corp to leave.
MakkAnzy	Posted - 2005.12.06 06:26:00 - [48] Then take a real station other than a NPC one where you can sit and do missions. Fact is The Five is far less active than Risk, Bob is putting up better fights and when the fights are equal (after we told FE to stand down) you still wouldn't engage. Forum smack FTW will not make you any better that you are, your corps once were feared now little more than a annoyance and a child begging for attention.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.12.06 06:27:00 - [49] Originally by: Shayla Would we have been mining our asses of for two weeks because we have a NAP with everyone Originally by: Lorth During my time up in h-pa, we would forum a fleet, and wait for f-e and friends to show up. For weeks we waited, and they never came. This seems like a Q&A type thread so I wanted to ask something. I'm pretty fimilar with other factions war deccing other factions to remove them from a area. I'm pretty fimilar with war movies and the tactics they use to engage a empire. One of the main tactics that most use when engaging the enemy is cutting off certain operations from having. Like choking the enemy so they can't breath then finaly engaging them when they're trying to gasp for air. For the most part it works every time. Like a example would be ****** flooding the streets with worthless currency. Another would be destroying a key bridge that the enemy needs to transport goods to there soldiers. One more would be destroying a industrial based company to stop the making of certain supplies. All of things that helps weaken/choke your enemy without actually meeting in a field and battling it out. I've been watching this war when I can. I mostly fly a cheetah and actually try to pvp in one. I like to roam all around EVE poking into anything. Being tribute/vale is my corps base I'm there more frequently than any other. In my times around the roads to F-E's mining systems I have notice maybe 2 fleets from five come in. Mostly of which Shayla has mentioned "Killing NPCers who are dumb enough to NPC". During this time, I had my Cheetah outfitted with a stack of warp disruptors to catch F-E haulers running ore to D7 from one of there mining systems about 8 hops away. I positioned my self in the middile of that road and made my way down to that system. The point of all of this is. I saw 1 fleet roll down from IMK to that mining system to engage F-E. Which had turned back around in 5 mins and headed back up to IMK. So it leaves me to guess that Five went in, people docked, and they left. Most of the other times I've counter a number of haulers moving vaulable ore to be refined. I failed a lot in catching them due to escorts. I believe my count was around 16 indys and 4 transport ships in 2-3 days I was actually on (I logged a lot to keep the stealth tactic on my side). I counted atleast 3 trips from 1 freighter with 1 scorpion escort moving goods to IMK. 1 escort... The point of all of this is. Why are you not doing more to control your enemy? You can send small squads in key locations and help crush the mining ops that travel these great distances. Instead you send fleets/big squads down to locations where stations are and kill 1 person and the rest just dock. Even worse you form a fleet and wait... Maybe i'm totaly wrong but it would be good to know if the enemy alliance is doing more than just going into a system to fight. This is not a flame. I too want F-E removed but your tactics and command just seems to be lacking on attacking the enemy at key locations. I would expect this from newer alliances not a alliance based on war... -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Phoney Lisa	Posted - 2005.12.06 06:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Shayla Would we have been mining our asses of for two weeks because we have a NAP with everyone Originally by: Lorth During my time up in h-pa, we would forum a fleet, and wait for f-e and friends to show up. For weeks we waited, and they never came. This seems like a Q&A type thread so I wanted to ask something. I'm pretty fimilar with other factions war deccing other factions to remove them from a area. I'm pretty fimilar with war movies and the tactics they use to engage a empire. One of the main tactics that most use when engaging the enemy is cutting off certain operations from having. Like choking the enemy so they can't breath then finaly engaging them when they're trying to gasp for air. For the most part it works every time. Like a example would be ****** flooding the streets with worthless currency. Another would be destroying a key bridge that the enemy needs to transport goods to there soldiers. One more would be destroying a industrial based company to stop the making of certain supplies. All of things that helps weaken/choke your enemy without actually meeting in a field and battling it out. I've been watching this war when I can. I mostly fly a cheetah and actually try to pvp in one. I like to roam all around EVE poking into anything. Being tribute/vale is my corps base I'm there more frequently than any other. In my times around the roads to F-E's mining systems I have notice maybe 2 fleets from five come in. Mostly of which Shayla has mentioned "Killing NPCers who are dumb enough to NPC". During this time, I had my Cheetah outfitted with a stack of warp disruptors to catch F-E haulers running ore to D7 from one of there mining systems about 8 hops away. I positioned my self in the middile of that road and made my way down to that system. The point of all of this is. I saw 1 fleet roll down from IMK to that mining system to engage F-E. Which had turned back around in 5 mins and headed back up to IMK. So it leaves me to guess that Five went in, people docked, and they left. Most of the other times I've counter a number of haulers moving vaulable ore to be refined. I failed a lot in catching them due to escorts. I believe my count was around 16 indys and 4 transport ships in 2-3 days I was actually on (I logged a lot to keep the stealth tactic on my side). I counted atleast 3 trips from 1 freighter with 1 scorpion escort moving goods to IMK. 1 escort... The point of all of this is. Why are you not doing more to control your enemy? You can send small squads in key locations and help crush the mining ops that travel these great distances. Instead you send fleets/big squads down to locations where stations are and kill 1 person and the rest just dock. Even worse you form a fleet and wait... Maybe i'm totaly wrong but it would be good to know if the enemy alliance is doing more than just going into a system to fight. This is not a flame. I too want F-E removed but your tactics and command just seems to be lacking on attacking the enemy at key locations. I would expect this from newer alliances not a alliance based on war... It's called farming...
Kerosene	Posted - 2005.12.06 06:45:00 - [51] Famine, most of that post doesn't apply to .5. since they aren't interested in territorial control. All they want are easy ganks to keep up their 100 kills a day limit. If they stifled the industry of F-E, F-E would be forced to commit more pvp presence to 5. This isn't what 5 want since that would mean blob warfare and potentially being outnumbered. It's a long standing joke now in the co-op channel about the '5 2pm Gank Party'. Except few maybe a few hours a day, .5. aren't a presence in venal/tribute/branch/tenal so the northern alliances can happily get on with whatever they were doing. Whoever said RISK is more of a threat was telling the truth. RISK have a much larger presence and co-ordination, even if they are a smaller alliance. __
F'nog	Posted - 2005.12.06 06:50:00 - [52] Who thinks Sul has a kickass sig? Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.12.06 07:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Kerosene Famine, most of that post doesn't apply to .5. since they aren't interested in territorial control. All they want are easy ganks to keep up their 100 kills a day limit. If they stifled the industry of F-E, F-E would be forced to commit more pvp presence to 5. This isn't what 5 want since that would mean blob warfare and potentially being outnumbered. It's a long standing joke now in the co-op channel about the '5 2pm Gank Party'. Except few maybe a few hours a day, .5. aren't a presence in venal/tribute/branch/tenal so the northern alliances can happily get on with whatever they were doing. Whoever said RISK is more of a threat was telling the truth. RISK have a much larger presence and co-ordination, even if they are a smaller alliance. I know the intentions, I mean I see it. It's just me saying it's not working. Obviously the enemy is making jokes about it which means the enemy can "Evade" such attempts by 5. So yeah, the point of this operation is to terminate F-E and Friends isn't it? Just don't see why noone is cutting off the income supply to better make whatever "Farming" that is going on more damaging in the long run. Just my simple input though. -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Hastrabull	Posted - 2005.12.06 07:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Kerosene Famine, most of that post doesn't apply to .5. since they aren't interested in territorial control. All they want are easy ganks to keep up their 100 kills a day limit. If they stifled the industry of F-E, F-E would be forced to commit more pvp presence to 5. This isn't what 5 want since that would mean blob warfare and potentially being outnumbered. It's a long standing joke now in the co-op channel about the '5 2pm Gank Party'. Except few maybe a few hours a day, .5. aren't a presence in venal/tribute/branch/tenal so the northern alliances can happily get on with whatever they were doing. Whoever said RISK is more of a threat was telling the truth. RISK have a much larger presence and co-ordination, even if they are a smaller alliance. And this is called farming :)
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.06 07:32:00 - [55] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Blah blah smack smack ur a nublet bla bla we're t3h uber. Typical. It's almost H-PA local. Let's not forget that it was V/SA/Risk/[5] vs NBSI/FE/PA/MC a month ago. None of this 'the world vs [5]' please. As I remember it was FE/PA/NBSI against 5 at start. Then later others has joined. Or am I wrong? Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux ATUK (the rest of The Five isn't even in the North judging from your own very accurate killboard) is just sitting in H-PA blobbing up against 3 snipers, trying to kill a PoS and sending a gank squad down to IMK twice a day killing the dumb NPC'ers. Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle(FE member quote) My own alliance (FE) is bla bla bla, bla bla bla, but we can also be agressive, like when we chased Five out of their homeland before the big war started. So, if you mange to chaise 5 from their homeland, howcome you cant chase Atuk from YOUR homeland?...ah, yes, they are not a threat --------------------------------------------------- ALL my words on this forum are my OWN thoughts and opinions
Bizarre	Posted - 2005.12.06 07:40:00 - [56] Are we forgetting about G/IRON/RAZOR/NBSI teaming up against ASCN or something? The north's double standards prevail again!
Black Lightning	Posted - 2005.12.06 08:11:00 - [57] From what I know, BoB were fighting their own wars in the South. BoB has no border with F-E at all, actually F-E is the most distant northern alliance from BoB. Yet they came to Tribute to fight. Just for fun? I don't think so. Now we have 2 oldest and richest alliances attacking a new and developing alliance and complaining about not getting equal fights. That's ridiculous. But the fact that 5 cried for help is already a big achievement. Interesting whom will BoB ask for help after being defeated (and that will happen in time)?
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.12.06 08:28:00 - [58] Originally by: Black Lightning From what I know, BoB were fighting their own wars in the South. BoB has no border with F-E at all, actually F-E is the most distant northern alliance from BoB. Yet they came to Tribute to fight. Just for fun? I don't think so. Now we have 2 oldest and richest alliances attacking a new and developing alliance and complaining about not getting equal fights. That's ridiculous. But the fact that 5 cried for help is already a big achievement. Interesting whom will BoB ask for help after being defeated (and that will happen in time)? Don't flatter yourself that we are here to kill you. You are just some easy meat who we like to eat when the rest of the map is clear. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
SengH	Posted - 2005.12.06 08:28:00 - [59] Edited by: SengH on 06/12/2005 08:28:52 Originally by: Black Lightning From what I know, BoB were fighting their own wars in the South. BoB has no border with F-E at all, actually F-E is the most distant northern alliance from BoB. Yet they came to Tribute to fight. Just for fun? I don't think so. Now we have 2 oldest and richest alliances attacking a new and developing alliance and complaining about not getting equal fights. That's ridiculous. But the fact that 5 cried for help is already a big achievement. Interesting whom will BoB ask for help after being defeated (and that will happen in time)? I might get some of this wrong.. bob has historical claim to venal/tenal/branch (the old Rent is due on our regions joke). They also made a couple incursions into the vale and tribute and were faced off by TPS/F-E/Deviance/their mining corps. To say BoB has nothing to do with the regions would be a fallousy. At the end of the war I heard PA got omgwtfpwned by BOBs 100mil docking fees as people scrambled to get their stuff out the stations and a whole bunch of rich nubs clicked ok before reading.
Lag Fest	Posted - 2005.12.06 08:32:00 - [60] Edited by: Lag Fest on 06/12/2005 08:32:59 BOO frikkin HOO!!!!! Alright childern, let us all gather in a ring, turn on some "look at me i'm a miserable teenager and noone understands me" and cry our cute fannies out! Dear God when will u ppl realise that this is a GAME!!!! PPL play it for the fun, BoB is a gathering of ppl who like to get what they are paying for, which is PvP combat! There is nothing else to it. U ppl are crying about 5 calling BoB for help? So what if they did? does you crying and ***ing about it help u one bit? NO IT DOESN'T!!! You still get ganked and blown away! If you feel that it is unfair that BoB use tech II items than u need to get ur sorry ass back into the empire and hide there! Hell i think it's unfair that Bill Gates is richer than me but you don't see me spam the forums about it! If you feel that the fight is unfair, than leave it. simple as that! Don't be an immature little * and come *ing and whining here on forums. and to round off.. 5 and BoB have something in common, we all love shooting and blowing things up and that's not about to change. so you can either get comfortable with the thought of having BoB and 5 blowing your sorry ass up and be a man about it or get the ** out! _______________________________________ Fish?
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 08:38:00 - [61] one question. if the5 are owning everyone so badly why did they have to cry to bob for reinforcments?
Hobblin I	Posted - 2005.12.06 08:46:00 - [62] Originally by: pershphanie one question. if the5 are owning everyone so badly why did they have to cry to bob for reinforcments? Thought they pointed out that it was so they could let some friends farm on your alliance. :)
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.12.06 08:48:00 - [63] WTS : IRC Logs of Stan / Thol and Script crying. Now Persh, i'm going to explain in short words. We were bored. Now when our pilots get bored, they don't jump on alts and post crap on the forums, they kill stuff. In this case anyone within 40 jumps of x-7o who we happend to have taken a dislike to. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit in with your tin hat wearing paranoia. We are out to get you, just not for the reason you have stated. .... ps. POST WITH YOUR MAIN
MakkAnzy	Posted - 2005.12.06 08:57:00 - [64] Originally by: Lag Fest Edited by: Lag Fest on 06/12/2005 08:32:59 and to round off.. 5 and BoB have something in common, we all love shooting and blowing things up and that's not about to change. so you can either get comfortable with the thought of having BoB and 5 blowing your sorry ass up and be a man about it or get the **** out! Ahh just love the way this game brings out the smack talk The Five still only contest a NPC station, you contest the smack talk on the forums and the real fight is with RISK (go figure) Band of baby's !
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 08:59:00 - [65] So your answer is bob dont forum ***** and they arent here to try and save the5?
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.12.06 09:03:00 - [66] Originally by: pershphanie So your answer is bob dont forum *** and they arent here to try and save the5? Save 5 from what? Surely you can't mean your merry miners who can barely point a gun in the right direction without shooting one of their mates :\| dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto** Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Phoney Lisa	Posted - 2005.12.06 09:11:00 - [67] Originally by: pershphanie one question. if the5 are owning everyone so badly why did they have to cry to bob for reinforcments? wow pershphanie, I never thoght you'd get so desperate...
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.06 09:14:00 - [68] Bah, reading this thread I got pictures of small anoying coackroaches in my head....dont know why, but I feel like posting it --------------------------------------------------- ALL my words on this forum are my OWN thoughts and opinions
maria stallion	Posted - 2005.12.06 09:22:00 - [69] Edited by: maria stallion on 06/12/2005 09:23:08 I see a lot of post about FE not engaging when equal numbers last weekend, allthough I don't know what really happend at that point, I can tell you this. 5 often comes with ganks squads to our space, we form up a gang and try to get equal numbers to fight them. As soon as we got equal numbers and wanna engage 5 heads for h-pa as fast as they can. they dock there igting ships and get snipping bs in return to try and snipe us of. This happing all the time made people to decide not to engage that quickly anymore since there is no use, because you won't get a nice fight. We engaged 5 a couple of times with only 33% to 50% of what they had, it was fun doing it, but not really worth doing it since it's not something you can win. most people in FE rather fight FOE, V, Risk because they will still engage on equal numbers and are not affraid of losing there ships.
Ribbo	Posted - 2005.12.06 09:22:00 - [70] Originally by: pershphanie So your answer is bob dont forum ***** and they arent here to try and save the5? dude, dont throw darts, its plainly obvious you cant hit the board. ribbo
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.06 09:39:00 - [71] Edited by: Darcuese on 06/12/2005 09:41:36 Originally by: maria stallion We engaged 5 a couple of times with only 33% to 50% of what they had, it was fun doing it, but not really worth doing it since it's not something you can win. most people in FE rather fight FOE, V, Risk because they will still engage on equal numbers and are not affraid of losing there ships. lol...Anything might happen in this game...thats for sure. Tell me this ...what do you think chances would be for 70 pilots of FE be ready to fight when over 200 hostile (5) pilots would be on the other side of the gate ready to jump to you?? Remember...there wasnt any bubble and no drones pull out from 5 when same situation happened in H-PA...so, think a bit before you post of what sort of ppl each alliance is made --------------------------------------------------- ALL my words on this forum are my OWN thoughts and opinions
maria stallion	Posted - 2005.12.06 09:45:00 - [72] Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 06/12/2005 09:41:36 Originally by: maria stallion We engaged 5 a couple of times with only 33% to 50% of what they had, it was fun doing it, but not really worth doing it since it's not something you can win. most people in FE rather fight FOE, V, Risk because they will still engage on equal numbers and are not affraid of losing there ships. lol...Anything might happen in this game...thats for sure. Tell me this ...what do you think chances would be for 70 pilots of FE be ready to fight when over 200 hostile (5) pilots would be on the other side of the gate ready to jump to you?? Remember...there wasnt any bubble and no drones pull out from 5 when same situation happened in H-PA...so, think a bit before you post of what sort of ppl each alliance is made what I tell is bassed on what I see ingame, what happends in the game when I'm not on I can't tell, this is just what is happening during the times I play. Prob the same for you since you can't be everywhere all the time.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 09:45:00 - [73] Originally by: Phoney Lisa Originally by: pershphanie one question. if the5 are owning everyone so badly why did they have to cry to bob for reinforcments? wow pershphanie, I never thoght you'd get so desperate... so desperate that i value the opinion of someone from imperial academy? nah. definatly not a 5/bob alt.
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:03:00 - [74] Alt-child, don't make me agree with Pers, it makes me cry. .... ps. POST WITH YOUR MAIN
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:05:00 - [75] I know a guy in atuk... who had a very nice comment in bio about PA using stabs... (and no, i don't use them, unless i travel) Then he starts bragging around how he got 70kills in his deimos... and then i ask if he uses stabs... yay, yes. Then i go look at killboard, 200mm rails on deimos, ffs. I mean, nice number of kills but it kinnda explains the spirit... .5. = not fun, they will use every l33t tactic but sometimes i wonder if they got some Burn Eden education. Originally by: WildCard "NOW Flyzone" before after Be back in a year or so
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:07:00 - [76] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Alt-child, don't make me agree with Pers, it makes me cry. np. seems FE alts are behaving poorly today aswell. Which doesnt make any sense to me. FE members are allowed to forum ***** with their mains. i just dont get it..... why all the alts today?
Phoney Lisa	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:13:00 - [77] Originally by: LUKEC I know a guy in atuk... who had a very nice comment in bio about PA using stabs... (and no, i don't use them, unless i travel) Then he starts bragging around how he got 70kills in his deimos... and then i ask if he uses stabs... yay, yes. Then i go look at killboard, 200mm rails on deimos, ffs. I mean, nice number of kills but it kinnda explains the spirit... .5. = not fun, they will use every l33t tactic but sometimes i wonder if they got some Burn Eden education. Sorry, maybe 5 should start fitting Overdrive Injectors like the nubs in PA seem to love oh so much.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:14:00 - [78] Originally by: Phoney Lisa Originally by: LUKEC I know a guy in atuk... who had a very nice comment in bio about PA using stabs... (and no, i don't use them, unless i travel) Then he starts bragging around how he got 70kills in his deimos... and then i ask if he uses stabs... yay, yes. Then i go look at killboard, 200mm rails on deimos, ffs. I mean, nice number of kills but it kinnda explains the spirit... .5. = not fun, they will use every l33t tactic but sometimes i wonder if they got some Burn Eden education. Sorry, maybe 5 should start fitting Overdrive Injectors like the nubs in PA seem to love oh so much. l why smack with an alt? im fairly sure the5 have no rules against smacktalking with your main.
Phoney Lisa	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:17:00 - [79] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Phoney Lisa Originally by: LUKEC I know a guy in atuk... who had a very nice comment in bio about PA using stabs... (and no, i don't use them, unless i travel) Then he starts bragging around how he got 70kills in his deimos... and then i ask if he uses stabs... yay, yes. Then i go look at killboard, 200mm rails on deimos, ffs. I mean, nice number of kills but it kinnda explains the spirit... .5. = not fun, they will use every l33t tactic but sometimes i wonder if they got some Burn Eden education. Sorry, maybe 5 should start fitting Overdrive Injectors like the nubs in PA seem to love oh so much. l why smack with an alt? im fairly sure the5 have no rules against smacktalking with your main. ever occure to you I aint 5?
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:24:00 - [80] Originally by: Lorth ... we would forum a fleet ... Aint that the truth! My Latest Vid (16/11/05)
Kaleeb	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:25:00 - [81] I think alot depends on NBSI and Bob. NBSI have just lost 90% of their pvp'rs joining E-R as they leave to fight ASCN, so time will tell if they can remain strong. If Bob stay up north for a long period of time, then that will put tremendous pressure on the north Most of PA have retreated back to empire from what I have seen and are rebuilding their corps/getting some isk FE are the main power left from the northern alliances ,and still have alot of members. FE leadership says they are stong, although I do wonder how long that will last with pressure from bob and 5 especially after this weekend. The5- Seems that its mainly ATUK left up north which imo will work better as ATUK seem to prefer working just as a corp. I wonder if the rumours in the other thread are true about M. and shinra? If they are then that would be a massive blow for the 5. I`ve tried to keep my post neutral (i was in the 5 a short time ago) however I feel its ironic that as the 5 withdrew from cache FE and friends came down smacktalking like hell that the 5 was dead and that they had destroyed it, despite 5 losing no members at this time. Now they moan about 5 smacking? I think the following Empire war was a stalemate, MC did very well with stemming the flow and The 5 decided they prefered 0.0 fighting and wanted to put more hurt on the enemy. For reasons I wont mention The MC's victory in New caldari could have a big effect on this war. I personally give it a couple more weeks before this war concludes and I can see it being the 5/allies being the victors
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:29:00 - [82] Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 06/12/2005 10:32:39 Quote: ever occure to you I aint 5? I actually no longer care who you are mate, you're clearly a gutless wonder and I pity the alliance who harbours you. If that involves self pity, then so be it. Begone and let the propper forum warriors do their bit. Back on topic : FOE suck. BoB FTW. .... ps. POST WITH YOUR MAIN
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:36:00 - [83] Originally by: LUKEC I know a guy in atuk... who had a very nice comment in bio about PA using stabs... (and no, i don't use them, unless i travel) Then he starts bragging around how he got 70kills in his deimos... and then i ask if he uses stabs... yay, yes. Then i go look at killboard, 200mm rails on deimos, ffs. I mean, nice number of kills but it kinnda explains the spirit... .5. = not fun, they will use every l33t tactic but sometimes i wonder if they got some Burn Eden education. PA fit stabs to vigils... --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:41:00 - [84] Good post Kaleeb...and hi m8 ::) --------------------------------------------------- ALL my words on this forum are my OWN thoughts and opinions
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:42:00 - [85] Originally by: Kaleeb I`ve tried to keep my post neutral (i was in the 5 a short time ago) however I feel its ironic that as the 5 withdrew from cache FE and friends came down smacktalking like hell that the 5 was dead and that they had destroyed it, despite 5 losing no members at this time. Now they moan about 5 smacking? Well FE took virtualy no part in red alliance's victory over the5 and never claimed to. Originally by: Kaleeb FE are the main power left from the northern alliances ,and still have alot of members. FE leadership says they are stong, although I do wonder how long that will last with pressure from bob and 5 especially after this weekend. Well I think you are over estemating the ammount of pressure the5 are putting on us. They come down and do the snipe/warp out thing on us every few days. While that fighting style does give you a decent kill/loss ratio the five seem reluctant to stick around for a fight and do any real damage. Their style of warping in @ 150k, killing a ship, warping out a few times doesnt really put the hurt on us. Don't get me wrong they are very good at what they do, but this isnt anything that does any serious damage to our alliance.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:43:00 - [86] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: LUKEC I know a guy in atuk... who had a very nice comment in bio about PA using stabs... (and no, i don't use them, unless i travel) Then he starts bragging around how he got 70kills in his deimos... and then i ask if he uses stabs... yay, yes. Then i go look at killboard, 200mm rails on deimos, ffs. I mean, nice number of kills but it kinnda explains the spirit... .5. = not fun, they will use every l33t tactic but sometimes i wonder if they got some Burn Eden education. PA fit stabs to vigils... so does supremacy :)
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:50:00 - [87] Originally by: pershphanie Well FE took virtualy no part in red alliance's victory over the5 and never claimed to. Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle My own alliance is good in the respect that we fight pirates, and are anti-pirate (there isnt a single pirating corp in our alliance), but we can also be agressive, like when we chased Five out of their homeland before the big war started. Lol, I just love this quote i have copied and put to my documents . And one of the main reasons that we put all this wars to mutual, IMO, is because of constant smacking by PA/FE/NBSI when 5 decide to stop this POS Horse s.h.i.t --------------------------------------------------- ALL my words on this forum are my OWN thoughts and opinions
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:55:00 - [88] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: pershphanie Well FE took virtualy no part in red alliance's victory over the5 and never claimed to. Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle My own alliance is good in the respect that we fight pirates, and are anti-pirate (there isnt a single pirating corp in our alliance), but we can also be agressive, like when we chased Five out of their homeland before the big war started. Lol, I just love this quote i have copied and put to my documents . And one of the main reasons that we put all this wars to mutual, IMO, is because of constant smacking by PA/FE/NBSI when 5 decide to stop this POS Horse s.h.i.t and we thank you for making them mutual. may they last till the end of eve.
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:00:00 - [89] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: LUKEC I know a guy in atuk... who had a very nice comment in bio about PA using stabs... (and no, i don't use them, unless i travel) Then he starts bragging around how he got 70kills in his deimos... and then i ask if he uses stabs... yay, yes. Then i go look at killboard, 200mm rails on deimos, ffs. I mean, nice number of kills but it kinnda explains the spirit... .5. = not fun, they will use every l33t tactic but sometimes i wonder if they got some Burn Eden education. PA fit stabs to vigils... So does risk, supremacy, fix, ... Let me tell you something... vigil is probably most popular stabbed travel ship :) Originally by: WildCard "NOW Flyzone" before after Be back in a year or so
KIATolon	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:10:00 - [90] it was a combat ship that was stabbed, not a travel ship. Or do you guys move 1500 rounds of ammo around in stabbed vigils as a logstics op?
Kryztal	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:14:00 - [91] Im loving the north atm. Only been a few months since i left it and it hasnt changed a bit, lots of juicy targets and not enough balls left in the regions to fight BoB.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:22:00 - [92] Originally by: Kryztal Im loving the north atm. Only been a few months since i left it and it hasnt changed a bit, lots of juicy targets and not enough balls left in the regions to fight BoB. how much balls does it take to abandon your team and join which ever side you think is winning? FREE MAXsuicide!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:25:00 - [93] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kryztal Im loving the north atm. Only been a few months since i left it and it hasnt changed a bit, lots of juicy targets and not enough balls left in the regions to fight BoB. how much balls does it take to abandon your team and join which ever side you think is winning? Soo, how come F-E is so big then Oh....you are winning. OK, all good then, means you won't be afraid to fight then. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Silvitni	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:25:00 - [94] Originally by: Kryztal .......lots of juicy targets and not enough balls left in the regions to fight BoB. Well since you guys came, the stats for "ppl with balls" went from 40% to 10% in the region
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:27:00 - [95] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kryztal Im loving the north atm. Only been a few months since i left it and it hasnt changed a bit, lots of juicy targets and not enough balls left in the regions to fight BoB. how much balls does it take to abandon your team and join which ever side you think is winning? Soo, how come F-E is so big then Oh....you are winning. OK, all good then, means you won't be afraid to fight then. i dont switch sides when the chips are down. that was my point. anyone who switched from one of the northern alliances to bob/5 cause they thought bob/5 were winning is a coward and gets no respect.
KIATolon	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:52:00 - [96] Quote: Well since you guys came, the stats for "ppl with balls" went from 40% to 10% in the region I'm surprised you have time to post when you're so busy avoiding wardecs.
Kryztal	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:52:00 - [97] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kryztal Im loving the north atm. Only been a few months since i left it and it hasnt changed a bit, lots of juicy targets and not enough balls left in the regions to fight BoB. how much balls does it take to abandon your team and join which ever side you think is winning? I didnt abandon my team, i worked my ass off for it until i realized it wasnt fun for me anymore so with much respect to Buddrow and Destable i left iron on good terms to go find me some fun (wich i did <3 BNC). So you can step down off your soapbox if thats the best comeback you have or just not answer at all ........ P.S. ive got bigger balls then you they are just a lil bit higher up then yours :P <3 Bratzy
Cartiff	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:58:00 - [98] can i join in the smack fest? Cartiff, CEO Euphoria Released "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
Zzazzt	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:01:00 - [99] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii with my last post here for some time i would like to make it known i have a strong belief that you are in some way retarded on a mental level. And I have a strong belief that you are sad little man who gets walked on by people of intelligence. ____________________________________________
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:02:00 - [100] Aaarghhh....double standards ftw everyone?!And i mean everyone.... People want to have fun,they pay money for it,they can do whatever they like. Stabs,ganks,hit and runs,blobs,calling friends,hiring mercs,sniping,anything. It doesn't really matter you know. Everyone does it,everyone accuses their enemy of cowardice when they do it. My question is...why do some people feel the need to prove to other players that they are better,resulting in bending facts and judgind by double standards? People are out to get fun,that's what they do. For example,when i was playing a lot i made enough money to buy a brand new HAC every week at overpriced market rates. Now that my playtime is less than 10 hours per week i don't. So i started fitting a couple of stabs on my HAC. Why? Because i have a lot of RL issues to tend to,and i don't want to spend half my weekly playtime grinding npc's to replace my losses. It's detrimental to my fun and i don't give a p*ss what people think about it. As long as we don't exploit and don't insult eachother's intelligence anything goes. We've been in gangs were we outnumbered the enemy,we've been in gangs were we were outnumbered,we have seen [5] members fly with stabs,guess what? Nobody should really care! I think this game's community is so obsessed with numbers and showing off as the macho guy that they miss the point of the GAME. This goes both ways. The more casual players should expect a harder time against the hardcore players,so they usually try to even the playing field by swelling numbers. The hardcore players on the other hand shouldn't think of the rest that unless they take EvE as seriously as a second job they don't deserve to play the game as they like. Take BoB for example. Highly effective,respected on the field despite the forum attitude displayed by some (which again,we are ALL guilty of at some point or another,slow hours at work and stuff). Do i think they are top notch? Of course. Would i like to follow their example? Of course not. I can't be bothered to,i don't have the time,i want to go online,talk with my guys,gang up and kill a ship or two,lose something every now and then,and that's it. People should finally learn not to judge the playstyle of other's by their own standards. A PvP seasoned veteran screaming "noob" at a less experienced opponent is no different than a 2 week old miner screaming "griefer" to a pirate on his first trip to 0.4 Just my .2 isk, enjoy the game for what it is and don't make out of it a measuring tool for how cool you are,because the first time you lose big time on the field,you'll lose a lot of your interest in the game as well.
ponieus	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:07:00 - [101] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kryztal Im loving the north atm. Only been a few months since i left it and it hasnt changed a bit, lots of juicy targets and not enough balls left in the regions to fight BoB. how much balls does it take to abandon your team and join which ever side you think is winning? now i thought the general consensus in the north is that you are winning. since when did this change?
Invisible Touch	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:12:00 - [102] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Aaarghhh....double standards ftw everyone?!And i mean everyone.... People want to have fun,they pay money for it,they can do whatever they like. Stabs,ganks,hit and runs,blobs,calling friends,hiring mercs,sniping,anything. It doesn't really matter you know. Everyone does it,everyone accuses their enemy of cowardice when they do it. My question is...why do some people feel the need to prove to other players that they are better,resulting in bending facts and judgind by double standards? People are out to get fun,that's what they do. For example,when i was playing a lot i made enough money to buy a brand new HAC every week at overpriced market rates. Now that my playtime is less than 10 hours per week i don't. So i started fitting a couple of stabs on my HAC. Why? Because i have a lot of RL issues to tend to,and i don't want to spend half my weekly playtime grinding npc's to replace my losses. It's detrimental to my fun and i don't give a p*ss what people think about it. As long as we don't exploit and don't insult eachother's intelligence anything goes. We've been in gangs were we outnumbered the enemy,we've been in gangs were we were outnumbered,we have seen [5] members fly with stabs,guess what? Nobody should really care! I think this game's community is so obsessed with numbers and showing off as the macho guy that they miss the point of the GAME. This goes both ways. The more casual players should expect a harder time against the hardcore players,so they usually try to even the playing field by swelling numbers. The hardcore players on the other hand shouldn't think of the rest that unless they take EvE as seriously as a second job they don't deserve to play the game as they like. Take BoB for example. Highly effective,respected on the field despite the forum attitude displayed by some (which again,we are ALL guilty of at some point or another,slow hours at work and stuff). Do i think they are top notch? Of course. Would i like to follow their example? Of course not. I can't be bothered to,i don't have the time,i want to go online,talk with my guys,gang up and kill a ship or two,lose something every now and then,and that's it. People should finally learn not to judge the playstyle of other's by their own standards. A PvP seasoned veteran screaming "noob" at a less experienced opponent is no different than a 2 week old miner screaming "griefer" to a pirate on his first trip to 0.4 Just my .2 isk, enjoy the game for what it is and don't make out of it a measuring tool for how cool you are,because the first time you lose big time on the field,you'll lose a lot of your interest in the game as well. Posts like that should be stickied and/or added in the EVE Guide. Enjoy the EVE Universe. All of the above are personal views/opinions only and not that of my corp or/and alliance Every day we stand is another day for PA.
Kryztal	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:12:00 - [103] Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 06/12/2005 11:28:26 Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kryztal Im loving the north atm. Only been a few months since i left it and it hasnt changed a bit, lots of juicy targets and not enough balls left in the regions to fight BoB. how much balls does it take to abandon your team and join which ever side you think is winning? Soo, how come F-E is so big then Oh....you are winning. OK, all good then, means you won't be afraid to fight then. i dont switch sides when the chips are down. that was my point. anyone who switched from one of the northern alliances to bob/5 cause they thought bob/5 were winning is a coward and should not speak of others courage. cough FOE ... dont be talking about switching sides or speakin of cowards cos you really cant afford it tbh. <3 Bratzy
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:13:00 - [104] Originally by: ponieus Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Kryztal Im loving the north atm. Only been a few months since i left it and it hasnt changed a bit, lots of juicy targets and not enough balls left in the regions to fight BoB. how much balls does it take to abandon your team and join which ever side you think is winning? now i thought the general consensus in the north is that you are winning. since when did this change? last time i checked we werent fighting a war against bob and krystal was never in FE. my comments were directed at anyone who left the north and joined bob during/after the gnw.
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:20:00 - [105] Originally by: Cartiff can i join in the smack fest? i wanna see if i can hijack 3 threads at the same time. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:21:00 - [106] ^^ I heard thug was cheating on you.....looks at persh.....
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:25:00 - [107] Originally by: Uggs386 ^^ I heard thug was cheating on you.....looks at persh..... persh is my alt. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
KIATolon	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:27:00 - [108] Originally by: "omeega" persh is my alt. ew
Mortuus	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:27:00 - [109] I'd just like to point out, that all those pointing fingers have been guilty of doing the same thing. And as it stands, ATUK is the last alliance that should mock anyone for using any tactic, no matter how "lame" it may be, as I know they have done it at some point already. Now, before people complain. I have used stabs on HACs, I have run from fights I can't win, I have logged at planets/SS/whatever, I have sat in a SS for a while waiting for an opportunity, I have specifically targetted miners, their cans, whatever. Why? Because its the smart thing to do in the situations that come up. My job is to deal the most damage, in ISK or morale, to the enemy as I can with what I have. Now, if we can just get back to the fun and hopefully stay away from super lag fests, we'll have fun. Occassus Republica, NBSI
Muthsera	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:28:00 - [110] Oh. I get that good fuzzy GNW feeling again. Bring back all sorts of memories. Just miss some propagande from Halseth and Jade. And Bud and Black discussing who can drink who under the table. My thoughs
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:28:00 - [111] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: "omeega" persh is my alt. ew ok i was just kiddin Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:29:00 - [112] Edited by: Blacklight on 06/12/2005 12:29:16 Originally by: pershphanie i dont switch sides when the chips are down. that was my point. anyone who switched from one of the northern alliances to bob/5 cause they thought bob/5 were winning is a coward and should not speak of others courage. Persh that is possibly your most badly thought out post to date. Are you basically saying that it's not ok for people to ever fly with their enemies no matter whether or how circumstances change? You laying the same accusation at the feet of the 10-15 KIA guys now also in BNC? Or the ex-BNC/BoB pilots in NBSI or F-E? In this specific case we were fighting FA, Imp, VC etc down south when Kryztal and a few other northerners joined us so it's not like they switched sides during or immediately after the fight and most of them that joined us did so upon my invitation and did not initiate the process themselves. It's not like they bring any more intel with them than we already have either, you as much as anyone know how good our spies are and intel is. Bit of a silly point you made there tbh. Eve Blacklight Style
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:31:00 - [113] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Uggs386 ^^ I heard thug was cheating on you.....looks at persh..... persh is my alt. he bought me on ebay traded you for a few roids imho. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:31:00 - [114] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Uggs386 ^^ I heard thug was cheating on you.....looks at persh..... persh is my alt. he bought me on ebay
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:33:00 - [115] I think pershw a smore talking bout a whole corp switching sides not individuals.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:38:00 - [116] Edited by: pershphanie on 06/12/2005 12:39:27 Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 06/12/2005 12:29:16 Originally by: pershphanie i dont switch sides when the chips are down. that was my point. anyone who switched from one of the northern alliances to bob/5 cause they thought bob/5 were winning is a coward and should not speak of others courage. Persh that is possibly your most badly thought out post to date. Are you basically saying that it's not ok for people to ever fly with their enemies no matter whether or how circumstances change? You laying the same accusation at the feet of the 10-15 KIA guys now also in BNC? Or the ex-BNC/BoB pilots in NBSI or F-E? In this specific case we were fighting FA, Imp, VC etc down south when Kryztal and a few other northerners joined us so it's not like they switched sides during or immediately after the fight and most of them that joined us did so upon my invitation and did not initiate the process themselves. It's not like they bring any more intel with them than we already have either, you as much as anyone know how good our spies are and intel is. Bit of a silly point you made there tbh. bah. you have a point. Sorry Krystal. I guess what I posted was unnecessary. I just dont think saying we dont have balls or calling us cowards is appropriate. We fight. We like doing it.
Mangus Thermopyle	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:42:00 - [117] Edited by: Mangus Thermopyle on 06/12/2005 12:42:14 Originally by: ponieusnow i thought the general consensus in the north is that you are winning. since when did this change? When this war started, we had 4500 enemies in SA, VI and Five. Now we are down to 400 or so (mainly atuk), so we have certainly not done bad in this war. Does that mean we are winning? I think so, but thats my personal opinion. Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong, only time will tell.
Muthsera	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:42:00 - [118] Originally by: Blacklight It's not like they bring any more intel with them than we already have either, you as much as anyone know how good our spies are and intel is. Bit of a silly point you made there tbh. Intel isn't nessiserily the most important to you right there and then. It can also be the more mondane daily sorts. Like assets, organisation, membership, daily rutine, favorite systems, etc, etc, etc. You get all that when a relative high ranking member switch sides. And imho shouldn't be underestimated. You got good spies. For sure. I seem to recall a very imbarrasing moment on the forum. But switching members are a huge huge asset. And in my opinion bnc is among those who have benefitted the most from that. Always attracting high level players. One of the reasons why ppl look towards you whit great respect and sometimes fear. You can beat around the bush. But you can't really denie that other corps dislike you for that. Nor can you say that they are wrong in their assestments of what could be seen as a traiter from their point of view. However inconvinient the time was for you, it may not have been so for them. My thoughs
KIATolon	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:44:00 - [119] There's as many people up North as there needs to be. All it means is that we over-estimated you.
Fillmeup	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:45:00 - [120] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Aaarghhh....double standards ftw everyone?!And i mean everyone.... People want to have fun,they pay money for it,they can do whatever they like. Stabs,ganks,hit and runs,blobs,calling friends,hiring mercs,sniping,anything. It doesn't really matter you know. Everyone does it,everyone accuses their enemy of cowardice when they do it. My question is...why do some people feel the need to prove to other players that they are better,resulting in bending facts and judgind by double standards? People are out to get fun,that's what they do. For example,when i was playing a lot i made enough money to buy a brand new HAC every week at overpriced market rates. Now that my playtime is less than 10 hours per week i don't. So i started fitting a couple of stabs on my HAC. Why? Because i have a lot of RL issues to tend to,and i don't want to spend half my weekly playtime grinding npc's to replace my losses. It's detrimental to my fun and i don't give a p*ss what people think about it. As long as we don't exploit and don't insult eachother's intelligence anything goes. We've been in gangs were we outnumbered the enemy,we've been in gangs were we were outnumbered,we have seen [5] members fly with stabs,guess what? Nobody should really care! I think this game's community is so obsessed with numbers and showing off as the macho guy that they miss the point of the GAME. This goes both ways. The more casual players should expect a harder time against the hardcore players,so they usually try to even the playing field by swelling numbers. The hardcore players on the other hand shouldn't think of the rest that unless they take EvE as seriously as a second job they don't deserve to play the game as they like. Take BoB for example. Highly effective,respected on the field despite the forum attitude displayed by some (which again,we are ALL guilty of at some point or another,slow hours at work and stuff). Do i think they are top notch? Of course. Would i like to follow their example? Of course not. I can't be bothered to,i don't have the time,i want to go online,talk with my guys,gang up and kill a ship or two,lose something every now and then,and that's it. People should finally learn not to judge the playstyle of other's by their own standards. A PvP seasoned veteran screaming "noob" at a less experienced opponent is no different than a 2 week old miner screaming "griefer" to a pirate on his first trip to 0.4 Just my .2 isk, enjoy the game for what it is and don't make out of it a measuring tool for how cool you are,because the first time you lose big time on the field,you'll lose a lot of your interest in the game as well. Damm .... thats so true it's poetic. Ditto what you said
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:46:00 - [121] Originally by: KIATolon There's as many people up North as there needs to be. All it means is that we over-estimated you. you are in syndicate because you love us. that's it. c'mon say it! SAY IT! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Muthsera	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:47:00 - [122] Originally by: KIATolon There's as many people up North as there needs to be. All it means is that we over-estimated you. lies. wait. no, your right. I don't need to be there. I can forum ***** from down here to. My thoughs
KIATolon	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:57:00 - [123] Quote: lies. wait. no, your right. I don't need to be there. I can forum ***** from down here to. Didn't you quit your alliance? Or did you rejoin again? Cant tell from work.
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:01:00 - [124] Originally by: KIATolon Quote: lies. wait. no, your right. I don't need to be there. I can forum ***** from down here to. Didn't you quit your alliance? Or did you rejoin again? Cant tell from work. clic no flamebait please. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
KIATolon	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:02:00 - [125] Not at all. I thought SAS left, in which case I am wondering why he says he needs to be anywhere to do with these wars.
Muthsera	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:02:00 - [126] Edited by: Muthsera on 06/12/2005 13:05:29 Greener fields mate. You wheren't exactly being a great sport up there. Or rather you didn't fancy our fiddle and we didn't fancy yours. Edit: spelling ftw My thoughs
Crux Australis	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:04:00 - [127] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Sure, there were no fleet commanders on and calling a Vagabond primary isnt exactly bright either, but the point stands. If you refer to the E-OGL fight I was the Vaga pilot and I hate u all !!!
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:21:00 - [128] DONE!!! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:23:00 - [129] pwned again.
Evil Thug	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:28:00 - [130] 1 pr3d1ct 4 b4nz0r c0m1ng t0 0m33g4 ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
Kaleeb	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:30:00 - [131] Edited by: Kaleeb on 06/12/2005 13:30:44 Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle When this war started, we had 4500 enemies in SA, VI and Five. Now we are down to 400 or so (mainly atuk), so we have certainly not done bad in this war. Does that mean we are winning? I think so, but thats my personal opinion. Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong, only time will tell. Actually when the wars started it was NBSI/Fe/PA/(RA in 0.0) vs [5], then over the next day or 2 it become NBSI/FE/PA/SE/MC/(RA in 0.0) against [5]/-v-/SA/ASCN and RISK for a few days before both sides started shooting each other.
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:30:00 - [132] Originally by: Evil Thug 1 pr3d1ct 4 b4nz0r c0m1ng t0 0m33g4 he'll have to post with his Evil thug alt then --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:31:00 - [133] I agree with the thug.
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:35:00 - [134] Originally by: Kaleeb Actually when the wars started it was NBSI/Fe/PA/(RA in 0.0) vs [5], then over the next day or 2 it become NBSI/FE/PA/SE/MC/(RA in 0.0) against [5]/-v-/SA/ASCN and RISK for a few days before both sides started shooting each other. tbh RISK ahve been shooting everyone for the majority of the time.. i'm not really sure you should include them in either side.. we had a brief nap with them, but that was after we moved to venal.. and it didnt last long.. and it would be more accurate to sub divide the teams.. -V- fought MC + empire sides of F-E/PA/NBSI [5] fought the 0.0 sides of F-E/PA/NBSI i dont know about SA or ASCN to comment.. --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
KIATolon	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:37:00 - [135] SA shot SE in agil and a few SA were in Jita shooting whomever was there.
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:37:00 - [136] i shouldn't get banned. I'm showing to ppl how stupid the post ppl made are. (0.1/10 grammar) that's it. No content, no goal, no nothing. Nowadays ppl speak of things who didn't even happen yet. that's it. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Seleene	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:39:00 - [137] So, let me see if I understand this thread. A lot of stuff exploded, right? Or is it more complicated?? - The REAL Eve Political Map!
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:40:00 - [138] Originally by: Seleene So, let me see if I understand this thread. A lot of stuff exploded, right? Or is it more complicated?? Is it true that you have a wonderfull chocolate chip cookies reciept? Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:42:00 - [139] Originally by: Seleene So, let me see if I understand this thread. A lot of stuff exploded, right? Or is it more complicated?? tbh it just seems like a good excuse for lots of enemies to have friendly chat and a bit of fun.. my favourite type of threads :) --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Jasam mama	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:43:00 - [140] Originally by: Omeega Nowadays ppl speak of things who didn't even happen yet. that's it. Yet you say, and yet you tried threadjacking so many threads today but somehow majority of your posts was in this particular thread. "Hmm" <--this little alt said
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:43:00 - [141] I think we succesfully derailed every thread that was near the top tbh.
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 13:59:00 - [142] Originally by: Jasam mama Edited by: Jasam mama on 06/12/2005 13:50:38 Originally by: Omeega Nowadays ppl speak of things who didn't even happen yet. that's it. Yet you say, and yet you tried threadjacking so many threads today but somehow majority of your posts was in this particular thread. "Hmm" <--this little alt said Btw, wrong thread to post in.who cares anyway ok. i not understand what you say. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Drunkeh	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:05:00 - [143] Omeega touched me yesterday... Wheres Jerry? He should have us on an episode titled "I was touched by a fake russian and kind of liked it." And uggs can be in the audience chanting "jerry jerry." Originally by: Omeega I R NO WORK. I SELL MY KIDS FOR ISK. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:08:00 - [144] Originally by: Drunkeh Omeega touched me yesterday... Wheres Jerry? He should have us on an episode titled "I was touched by a fake russian and kind of liked it." And uggs can be in the audience chanting "jerry jerry." ;) Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Jasam mama	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:09:00 - [145] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Jasam mama Edited by: Jasam mama on 06/12/2005 13:50:38 Originally by: Omeega Nowadays ppl speak of things who didn't even happen yet. that's it. Yet you say, and yet you tried threadjacking so many threads today but somehow majority of your posts was in this particular thread. "Hmm" <--this little alt said Btw, wrong thread to post in.who cares anyway ok. i not understand what you say. Maybe you not understand because you have to much personalities splited among different characters so your brain cells are devided among them
Muthsera	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:11:00 - [146] Originally by: thoth foc i dont know about SA or ASCN to comment.. SA was in the war from before MC was in on V. MC was still playing whit 4s in germinate when SA came in. ASCN was empire waring against G/Iron block. Don't give us that: we had you all lot against us. If you look more closely at it. There where two clear blocks fighting. And we had all 4-5 alliances against you. So that kind of statement is false on the premisis of block fighting eachother. My thoughs
Gozer	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:13:00 - [147] Originally by: Seleene So, let me see if I understand this thread. A lot of stuff exploded, right? Or is it more complicated?? it appears that it is slighty more complicated than that sel.. but at the same time, this thread, like 99% of every other thread on these forums, can be summed up like so: MY DAD > YOUR DAD - I AM TEH UBER l337 - j00 is 4 n00b!!!1!!1!!!! i personally am not very good at this game, i don't have time to be hardcore, but i think it's fun and a laugh so i play it. sometimes i kill, sometimes i die. end of. what i don't enjoy is reading the child like slagging matches on these forums. this thread reads like nearly every other one. why is there a need to start another?
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:14:00 - [148] Originally by: Gozer . this thread reads like nearly every other one. why is there a need to start another? Hehe, answer is simple. all previous threads get locked sooner or later --------------------------------------------------- ALL my words on this forum are my OWN thoughts and opinions
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:14:00 - [149] Originally by: Gozer Originally by: Seleene So, let me see if I understand this thread. A lot of stuff exploded, right? Or is it more complicated?? it appears that it is slighty more complicated than that sel.. but at the same time, this thread, like 99% of every other thread on these forums, can be summed up like so: MY DAD > YOUR DAD - I AM TEH UBER l337 - j00 is 4 n00b!!!1!!1!!!! i personally am not very good at this game, i don't have time to be hardcore, but i think it's fun and a laugh so i play it. sometimes i kill, sometimes i die. end of. what i don't enjoy is reading the child like slagging matches on these forums. this thread reads like nearly every other one. why is there a need to start another? don't look down. be strong. hijack the worthless threads. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:16:00 - [150] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Gozer Originally by: Seleene So, let me see if I understand this thread. A lot of stuff exploded, right? Or is it more complicated?? it appears that it is slighty more complicated than that sel.. but at the same time, this thread, like 99% of every other thread on these forums, can be summed up like so: MY DAD > YOUR DAD - I AM TEH UBER l337 - j00 is 4 n00b!!!1!!1!!!! i personally am not very good at this game, i don't have time to be hardcore, but i think it's fun and a laugh so i play it. sometimes i kill, sometimes i die. end of. what i don't enjoy is reading the child like slagging matches on these forums. this thread reads like nearly every other one. why is there a need to start another? don't look down. be strong. hijack the worthless threads. 1) self-quotation is good for your ego 2) if you need infos about nbsi/PA/FE/.5./BOB they won't come out of an alt's mouth can't you ppl get that? ZEY WILL NIET POST ON A SREAD MEIDE BAY AN ALT. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Muthsera	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:20:00 - [151] Ah. who the hell am I kidding. Can't we all just get along? No seriusly though. I'm out on this forum battling bit. This is pointless. We had came, we saw, we did occational battle. We had fun. All thats matters. It's all good in the end. Cheers for being good sports for a bit atleast. My thoughs
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:21:00 - [152] Lol Omega. Have your toilet broke today? Cause lots of c.r.a.p you shared with us instead with yourself --------------------------------------------------- ALL my words on this forum are my OWN thoughts and opinions
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:28:00 - [153] Originally by: Muthsera Don't give us that: we had you all lot against us. If you look more closely at it. There where two clear blocks fighting. And we had all 4-5 alliances against you. So that kind of statement is false on the premisis of block fighting eachother. erm.. eh? if i looked more closely and saw less detail i would be worried.. if ACSN where fighting G/Iron/NBSI then they dont "fit" your 2 block theory particularly well.. we rarely->never have mixed fleets outside [5].. every major fleet NBSI/F-E/PA have is mixed.. that is what i'm trying to explain.. SAS werent overly invovled in fleet ops, so that is maybe why you dont see the conflict from this angle.. but i assure u the illustration is prefectly accurate.. --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Hast	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:05:00 - [154] yay, I love a good whatever VS whatever, although the ASCN VS G/IRON threads are getting boring
Mangus Thermopyle	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:19:00 - [155] Originally by: thoth foc every major fleet NBSI/F-E/PA have is mixed.. that is what i'm trying to explain.. Well, thats not entirely true. NBSI and PA usually have their own gangs, and sometimes we help eachother, but often the gangs in tribute consists of mostly F-E. The really big ones has been mixed though, like the 250 ship fleet we had when the node went down in H-PA But for those who arent involved in the north, there are quite a lot of red dudes for us to shoot besides Five: RISK, FoE, 4S, SMASH, HIRR, FIX to name some. And then BoB from time to time. And then the occasional State War Academy dude to gank and get emails from, with accusations of piracy
Jherek Cornelian	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:31:00 - [156] Originally by: Hast yay, I love a good whatever VS whatever, although the ASCN VS G/IRON threads are getting boring I'm getting bored of this one as well mate. It started out quite an interesting discussion but seems to have degenerated into slush. Pity really, Shayla, Dianabolic and a few others had some fair points and a nice mini discussion but in the end there are always people from both sides who try to drag it down to 'pwn' talk.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:34:00 - [157] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Gozer . this thread reads like nearly every other one. why is there a need to start another? Hehe, answer is simple. all previous threads get locked sooner or later Because I was tired and started a new post instead of replying to an existing one. I didn't even put a subject on the post for awhile and didn't even notice what I had done until it had run to 2 pages. But the flames aren't too bad so i haven't asked it to be locked.
Dahin	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:41:00 - [158] /me approaces the flamest to get a bit warm It's cold these hours of the day
slothe	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:42:00 - [159] I dont know what the truth is about 5 atm i hear so many conflicting stories. what is evident is- 1. they are less active around curse. 2. they are losing members. 3. they have had corps recently join them (delta) which could either be interpreted as strengthening numbers or plugging a whole. 4. they are less active in empire. 5. they employ R.I.S.K to assist them. 6. they are strong around h-pa. 7. they work well together. 8. they appear to have good morale. however in truth i suspect (maybe true maybe not) that they are struggling. however as far as f-e is concerned 1. they lack consistently good leadership (sometimes struggle to get fleet commanders - though they do have able fleet commanders their not always on or willing to take control) 2. they do get demoralised sometimes. 3. they dont always lose battles and tend to do well in the smaller roaming fleet engagements and mid sized battles. As far as the engagements between 5 and f-e are concerned in my opinion the battle is to be lost not won. i.e. the first side to lose heart will lose the battle. 5 therefore have the upper hand as they have good resolve. but will it be enough? remains to be seen.
Drunkeh	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:47:00 - [160] Edited by: Drunkeh on 06/12/2005 15:46:57 Originally by: slothe 3. they have had corps recently join them (delta) which could either be interpreted as strengthening numbers or plugging a whole. I'm not really 5 and have no idea on any of those other points, but Delta is like 99% ex-5 members so its not really "plugging a whole," its more like people coming back after a little fun. Originally by: Omeega I R NO WORK. I SELL MY KIDS FOR ISK. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:49:00 - [161] I don't think 5 hired RISK. RUS-SAGA have their own agenda.
slothe	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:49:00 - [162] Originally by: Drunkeh Edited by: Drunkeh on 06/12/2005 15:46:57 I'm not really 5 and have no idea on any of those other points, but Delta is like 99% ex-5 members so its not really "plugging a whole," its more like people coming back after a little fun. yeah well that figures. im really not trying to stir anything with my post, as ive said the views in it are personal and how it seems to me. i may be entirely wrong about some points, and im sure reams of 5 will point out my mistakes but thats how i honestly view the situation rightly or wrongly.
Drunkeh	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:50:00 - [163] Originally by: slothe Originally by: Drunkeh Edited by: Drunkeh on 06/12/2005 15:46:57 I'm not really 5 and have no idea on any of those other points, but Delta is like 99% ex-5 members so its not really "plugging a whole," its more like people coming back after a little fun. yeah well that figures. im really not trying to stir anything with my post, as ive said the views in it are personal and how it seems to me. i may be entirely wrong about some points, and im sure reams of 5 will point out my mistakes but thats how i honestly view the situation rightly or wrongly. I suggest we stop discussing such trivial matters and instead get back to the most important topic here, Omeegas amazing forum whoring abilities today. Originally by: Omeega I R NO WORK. I SELL MY KIDS FOR ISK. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:58:00 - [164] Originally by: slothe 5. they employ R.I.S.K to assist I don't think this is true. By the look of our killboard we are fighting them aswell.
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.06 16:36:00 - [165] Originally by: slothe Edited by: slothe on 06/12/2005 15:50:03 I dont know what the truth is about 5 atm i hear so many conflicting stories. what is evident (or at least how it seems to me)is- 1. they are less active around curse. 2. they are losing members. 3. they have had corps recently join them (delta) which could either be interpreted as strengthening numbers or plugging a whole. 4. they are less active in empire. 5. they employ R.I.S.K to assist them. 6. they are strong around h-pa. 7. they work well together. 8. they appear to have good morale. however in truth i suspect (maybe true maybe not) that they are struggling. however as far as f-e is concerned 1. they lack consistently good leadership (sometimes struggle to get fleet commanders - though they do have able fleet commanders their not always on or willing to take control) 2. they do get demoralised sometimes. 3. they dont always lose battles and tend to do well in the smaller roaming fleet engagements and mid sized battles. As far as the engagements between 5 and f-e are concerned in my opinion the battle is to be lost not won. i.e. the first side to lose heart will lose the battle. 5 therefore have the upper hand as they have good resolve. but will it be enough? remains to be seen. I can give my view of your points, 1) prolly since atuk is still up in the north it's not as busy as other times, but it is our home.. many were bored to tears there.. needed a break elsewhere etc.. 2) I suspect we will start to grow again soon tbh.. some of the strong personalities had been inactive due to RL stuff.. this always effects groups, i'm glad to see some of these returning.. 3) Delta rox.. nuff said :) 4) Most of us have lived in 0.0 most of our time in the game.. it isnt surprising we prefer there 5) lol killboard rules that 1 out 6) atuk base from h-pa atm this is common knowledge.. 7) being an experience pvp'er is a requirement.. this follows 8) we play to fight.. we enjoy it.. what's to be sad about? :) As for F-E, it seems to be increasing difficult for you to form fleets, at the weekends you can still garther hugh fleets 100+ fleets, but not during the week, then you ahve problems garthering 20 odd and are lucky to have a handful of BS.. that is usually the start of downward spirals IMO.. as the high available players see themselves left alone or outnumbered time after time, they will look to join other groups that have numbers to do stuff together.. a number of F-E have moved to H-PA, which prolly doesnt help you fleets, but does help save some NPC'ers and miners i guess As for us struggling.. i think this has been wishful thinking for many months.. Each corp can field fleets to match any pvp corp, and many alliances.. i'd love you to explain how this is struggling --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
danneh	Posted - 2005.12.06 16:55:00 - [166] Originally by: slothe Edited by: slothe on 06/12/2005 15:50:03 5. they employ R.I.S.K to assist them. however as far as f-e is concerned Wrong, try again.
Ribbo	Posted - 2005.12.06 17:08:00 - [167] Originally by: pershphanie i dont switch sides when the chips are down. your correct you dont.. you do however forum***** like a mofo. biyatch ribbo [innit]
Fire Hawk	Posted - 2005.12.06 17:27:00 - [168] This thread seems to have wasted a significative quantity of bandwidth. _______________________________________________________ ATUK French Wing - Fear the french touch Thanks to our enemies, they made us strong.
Xavier X	Posted - 2005.12.06 17:28:00 - [169] Originally by: slothe Edited by: slothe on 06/12/2005 15:50:03 I dont know what the truth is about 5 atm i hear so many conflicting stories. what is evident (or at least how it seems to me)is- 1. they are less active around curse. 2. they are losing members. 3. they have had corps recently join them (delta) which could either be interpreted as strengthening numbers or plugging a whole. 4. they are less active in empire. 5. they employ R.I.S.K to assist them. 6. they are strong around h-pa. 7. they work well together. 8. they appear to have good morale. however in truth i suspect (maybe true maybe not) that they are struggling. however as far as f-e is concerned 1. they lack consistently good leadership (sometimes struggle to get fleet commanders - though they do have able fleet commanders their not always on or willing to take control) 2. they do get demoralised sometimes. 3. they dont always lose battles and tend to do well in the smaller roaming fleet engagements and mid sized battles. As far as the engagements between 5 and f-e are concerned in my opinion the battle is to be lost not won. i.e. the first side to lose heart will lose the battle. 5 therefore have the upper hand as they have good resolve. but will it be enough? remains to be seen. #5 of your 8 supposed facts is just stupid. .5. and RISK shoot each other.....figure that out...
skilz	Posted - 2005.12.06 18:40:00 - [170] Hey just an observation, maybe you are not seeing [5] in empire because they are an 0.0 alliance? Same reason you wouldn't see us in empire. I personally have not been in empire for 6+ months --
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.12.06 19:04:00 - [171] grabs some popcorns and watches the flames It's incredible how people can fight for crappy asteroids on forums all day long Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.06 19:07:00 - [172] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes grabs some popcorns and watches the flames It's incredible how people can fight for crappy asteroids on forums all day long THEY ARENT CRAPPY!! --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.12.06 19:09:00 - [173] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Elenia Kheynes grabs some popcorns and watches the flames It's incredible how people can fight for crappy asteroids on forums all day long THEY ARENT CRAPPY!! they're worse ? Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Tavernier	Posted - 2005.12.06 19:10:00 - [174] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Elenia Kheynes grabs some popcorns and watches the flames It's incredible how people can fight for crappy asteroids on forums all day long THEY ARENT CRAPPY!! they're worse ? They have feelings god damn it!
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.06 19:10:00 - [175] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Elenia Kheynes grabs some popcorns and watches the flames It's incredible how people can fight for crappy asteroids on forums all day long THEY ARENT CRAPPY!! they're worse ? stop dis'ing the roids --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.12.06 19:12:00 - [176] Perhaps they've got feelings. But once in my cargohold, they're all equals. Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.06 19:23:00 - [177] "It's incredible how people can fight for crappy asteroids on forums all day long " Do not taunt happy Omber Zombie o.O;
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.12.06 20:23:00 - [178] shhh j0 ! Don't wake up another thread hijacker ;s Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.12.06 20:54:00 - [179] Originally by: Ribbo Originally by: pershphanie i dont switch sides when the chips are down. your correct you dont.. you do however forum***** like a mofo. biyatch ribbo [innit] It's become clear I cant compete with Omeega
The End	Posted - 2005.12.06 21:56:00 - [180] THERE IS NO .5 IN TRIBUTE!!!!!!! all lies!!!!
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.07 00:32:00 - [181] i can only say... fighting .5. is bljak, sux, no point... RISK... well they go leeroy, we go leeroy... FUN FUN FUN I <3 risk.
DeadDuck	Posted - 2005.12.07 00:34:00 - [182] If we are gonna make a analysis on the situation ... the main objectives of the -5- are very far away to be reached and to be honest they will not be reached ever ... To declare a war against 3 alliances at the same time wasn't a clever move, to say the least, now after what ? 1 month, 2 months, what do we see ? the 3 alliances are still there and the -5- is starting to be spreaded all along the empire, they are in the north fighting PA, they are in curse region, they are attacking FE, they are everywhere and they arent anywhere. The corporations belonging to the -5- are no longer working together ... so the -5- is became weaker everyday ... The insane declaration of war against 3 alliances without any break from a long war with RA, and no mining fees to sustain the war effort will surelly make a huge damage ... In the end BOB will have something to be happy about, a lot of veteran player from -5- wanting to join is alliance. This is my opinion and only that .
SengH	Posted - 2005.12.07 00:36:00 - [183] Originally by: DeadDuck If we are gonna make a analysis on the situation ... the main objectives of the -5- are very far away to be reached and to be honest they will not be reached ever ... To declare a war against 3 alliances at the same time wasn't a clever move, to say the least, now after what ? 1 month, 2 months, what do we see ? the 3 alliances are still there and the -5- is starting to be spreaded all along the empire, they are in the north fighting PA, they are in curse region, they are attacking FE, they are everywhere and they arent anywhere. The corporations belonging to the -5- are no longer working together ... so the -5- is became weaker everyday ... The insane declaration of war against 3 alliances without any break from a long war with RA, and no mining fees to sustain the war effort will surelly make a huge damage ... In the end BOB will have something to be happy about, a lot of veteran player from -5- wanting to join is alliance. This is my opinion and only that . 1 problem here... they wardecced us
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.07 00:52:00 - [184] Originally by: DeadDuck If we are gonna make a analysis on the situation ... the main objectives of the -5- are very far away to be reached and to be honest they will not be reached ever ... To declare a war against 3 alliances at the same time wasn't a clever move, to say the least, now after what ? 1 month, 2 months, what do we see ? the 3 alliances are still there and the -5- is starting to be spreaded all along the empire, they are in the north fighting PA, they are in curse region, they are attacking FE, they are everywhere and they arent anywhere. The corporations belonging to the -5- are no longer working together ... so the -5- is became weaker everyday ... The insane declaration of war against 3 alliances without any break from a long war with RA, and no mining fees to sustain the war effort will surelly make a huge damage ... In the end BOB will have something to be happy about, a lot of veteran player from -5- wanting to join is alliance. This is my opinion and only that . Just to point out a few flaws in these arguements: a) we stopped the pos war with RA to get MORE pvp.. b) yet again tonite, F-E complained the 1 corp left up north "outblobbed" them and refused to engage.. c) I'm currently richer after hunting PA/F-E than when i came here, made more isk off killing them than i ever have mining and NPC'ing combined.. initally the vast majority of [5] moved north.. but as target numbers dwindled, the individual corps went and did their own thing.. each corp is a well known pvp corp in its own right.. we ahve the experience to work together when needed, but the servers just dont support the size of fleets we can field combined. --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.12.07 02:33:00 - [185] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: DeadDuck If we are gonna make a analysis on the situation ... the main objectives of the -5- are very far away to be reached and to be honest they will not be reached ever ... To declare a war against 3 alliances at the same time wasn't a clever move, to say the least, now after what ? 1 month, 2 months, what do we see ? the 3 alliances are still there and the -5- is starting to be spreaded all along the empire, they are in the north fighting PA, they are in curse region, they are attacking FE, they are everywhere and they arent anywhere. The corporations belonging to the -5- are no longer working together ... so the -5- is became weaker everyday ... The insane declaration of war against 3 alliances without any break from a long war with RA, and no mining fees to sustain the war effort will surelly make a huge damage ... In the end BOB will have something to be happy about, a lot of veteran player from -5- wanting to join is alliance. This is my opinion and only that . Just to point out a few flaws in these arguements: a) we stopped the pos war with RA to get MORE pvp.. b) yet again tonite, F-E complained the 1 corp left up north "outblobbed" them and refused to engage.. c) I'm currently richer after hunting PA/F-E than when i came here, made more isk off killing them than i ever have mining and NPC'ing combined.. initally the vast majority of [5] moved north.. but as target numbers dwindled, the individual corps went and did their own thing.. each corp is a well known pvp corp in its own right.. we ahve the experience to work together when needed, but the servers just dont support the size of fleets we can field combined. I think he has a point though Thoc. Bob is currently the biggest, most successful 0.0 pvp alliance I think. And Bob has a good relationship with 5. So Bob would be a natural fit for any 5 players suffering from burnout. And you have a point as well. The servers can't handle the massive fleet battles as I've been in 3 battles in the north that crashed the server. The battle for V7 where the northern alliances evicted Xelas. When V came to the north with freighters to continue the fight against NBSI and were met by us, F-E and PA. And then the aborted fight in h-pa where we brought our combined fleets to meet yours. each time there was a huge crash.
Monkey Time	Posted - 2005.12.07 08:07:00 - [186] Originally by: SengH Originally by: DeadDuck If we are gonna make a analysis on the situation ... the main objectives of the -5- are very far away to be reached and to be honest they will not be reached ever ... To declare a war against 3 alliances at the same time wasn't a clever move, to say the least, now after what ? 1 month, 2 months, what do we see ? the 3 alliances are still there and the -5- is starting to be spreaded all along the empire, they are in the north fighting PA, they are in curse region, they are attacking FE, they are everywhere and they arent anywhere. The corporations belonging to the -5- are no longer working together ... so the -5- is became weaker everyday ... The insane declaration of war against 3 alliances without any break from a long war with RA, and no mining fees to sustain the war effort will surelly make a huge damage ... In the end BOB will have something to be happy about, a lot of veteran player from -5- wanting to join is alliance. This is my opinion and only that . 1 problem here... they wardecced us 2nd problem is we're earning far more money up here than we ever did in curse.
Fire Hawk	Posted - 2005.12.07 08:47:00 - [187] Originally by: LUKEC i can only say... fighting .5. is bljak, sux, no point... RISK... well they go leeroy, we go leeroy... FUN FUN FUN I <3 risk. I know your feeling. Not very funny to get wtfpwned all the time _______________________________________________________ ATUK French Wing - Fear the french touch Thanks to our enemies, they made us strong.
Lag Fest	Posted - 2005.12.07 08:54:00 - [188] I say we all grab our naked midget sitting next to us and do the "Slap teh Monkey" dance! _______________________________________ Fish?
Elfaen Ethenwe	Posted - 2005.12.07 09:01:00 - [189] Feel the love for RISK :) To clear up a couple of misconceptions We have had a couple of brief naps with 5. some for a few hours as our fleets were in the same area.. Unfortunately some blue on blue action meant that its now red on red action... Oh well, it was fun while it lasted % guys... We are nop under contract to the 5, we never were.
Alex Krause	Posted - 2005.12.07 09:18:00 - [190] Originally by: El*** Ethenwe* We are nop under contract to the 5, we never were. But, but, but.... Surely you guys are being paid by 5. I mean, PA says so...
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.12.07 09:43:00 - [191] Originally by: Liet Traep I think he has a point though Thoc. Bob is currently the biggest, most successful 0.0 pvp alliance I think. And Bob has a good relationship with 5. So Bob would be a natural fit for any 5 players suffering from burnout. And you have a point as well. The servers can't handle the massive fleet battles as I've been in 3 battles in the north that crashed the server. The battle for V7 where the northern alliances evicted Xelas. When V came to the north with freighters to continue the fight against NBSI and were met by us, F-E and PA. And then the aborted fight in h-pa where we brought our combined fleets to meet yours. each time there was a huge crash. should bob be expecting ur app then? BOB are a top pvp group as are we, they have a different internal structure which suits some and not others.. we have had some join them from us.. as they have had some join us from them.. tbh i cant imagine bob recruiting "burned out" pvp'ers they would want active keen hard working pvp'ers like we recruit.. burned out pvp'er usually go to empire to chill and make isk from what i see.. maybe your experience of burned out is different.. i can imagine allaince like F-E/PA/old XF etc having burned out pvp'ers from not giving them enuff support to pvp, leaving them on their own to fight without help etc etc.. we work as a team so that doesnt happen the same way.. and it's just a matter for finding the team that works for you.. --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.12.07 10:00:00 - [192] Sorry, we only recruit GMs .... ps. POST WITH YOUR MAIN
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.07 10:50:00 - [193] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: DeadDuck If we are gonna make a analysis on the situation ... the main objectives of the -5- are very far away to be reached and to be honest they will not be reached ever ... To declare a war against 3 alliances at the same time wasn't a clever move, to say the least, now after what ? 1 month, 2 months, what do we see ? the 3 alliances are still there and the -5- is starting to be spreaded all along the empire, they are in the north fighting PA, they are in curse region, they are attacking FE, they are everywhere and they arent anywhere. The corporations belonging to the -5- are no longer working together ... so the -5- is became weaker everyday ... The insane declaration of war against 3 alliances without any break from a long war with RA, and no mining fees to sustain the war effort will surelly make a huge damage ... In the end BOB will have something to be happy about, a lot of veteran player from -5- wanting to join is alliance. This is my opinion and only that . Just to point out a few flaws in these arguements: a) we stopped the pos war with RA to get MORE pvp.. b) yet again tonite, F-E complained the 1 corp left up north "outblobbed" them and refused to engage.. c) I'm currently richer after hunting PA/F-E than when i came here, made more isk off killing them than i ever have mining and NPC'ing combined.. initally the vast majority of [5] moved north.. but as target numbers dwindled, the individual corps went and did their own thing.. each corp is a well known pvp corp in its own right.. we ahve the experience to work together when needed, but the servers just dont support the size of fleets we can field combined. tic tac tic tac... time goes by... so slowly... /me shakes my booty and sings! People still don't understand how POS wars can happen. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega	Posted - 2005.12.07 10:51:00 - [194] rofl im totaly out of topic and my "edit" button is screwed. Must be cartiff's chocolate chips cookies parts stuck in my keyboard. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.07 13:05:00 - [195] Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: LUKEC i can only say... fighting .5. is bljak, sux, no point... RISK... well they go leeroy, we go leeroy... FUN FUN FUN I <3 risk. I know your feeling. Not very funny to get wtfpwned all the time Ehm, yea, sure, you are t3h uber.
Dan Kaldar	Posted - 2005.12.07 13:14:00 - [196] Edited by: Dan Kaldar on 07/12/2005 13:14:13 mweh..
Tholarim	Posted - 2005.12.07 13:15:00 - [197] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: LUKEC i can only say... fighting .5. is bljak, sux, no point... RISK... well they go leeroy, we go leeroy... FUN FUN FUN I <3 risk. I know your feeling. Not very funny to get wtfpwned all the time Ehm, yea, sure, you are t3h uber. Ever since your app to atuk got rejected you're so bitter
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.07 14:01:00 - [198] Edited by: LUKEC on 07/12/2005 14:03:24 Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: LUKEC i can only say... fighting .5. is bljak, sux, no point... RISK... well they go leeroy, we go leeroy... FUN FUN FUN I <3 risk. I know your feeling. Not very funny to get wtfpwned all the time Ehm, yea, sure, you are t3h uber. Ever since your app to atuk got rejected you're so bitter Actually i'm happy it was rejected. And it doesn't have anything to do with you :) Simply most ppl from my previous corp went to atuk, and atuk didn't came north not even for the first time when i applied... bleh i tought that i'll have some fun with RA... Anyway with such great egos and l33t ubar guys as u are... i don't want to have anything with u, and i feel sorry that i applied. Happy? And after i've hear ur members calling a 5.th generation of homeless janitors... makes me wonder who is bitter?
Dawson	Posted - 2005.12.07 14:09:00 - [199] lol Ambassador & Admiral Join BSC
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.12.07 14:28:00 - [200] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Liet Traep I think he has a point though Thoc. Bob is currently the biggest, most successful 0.0 pvp alliance I think. And Bob has a good relationship with 5. So Bob would be a natural fit for any 5 players suffering from burnout. And you have a point as well. The servers can't handle the massive fleet battles as I've been in 3 battles in the north that crashed the server. The battle for V7 where the northern alliances evicted Xelas. When V came to the north with freighters to continue the fight against NBSI and were met by us, F-E and PA. And then the aborted fight in h-pa where we brought our combined fleets to meet yours. each time there was a huge crash. should bob be expecting ur app then? BOB are a top pvp group as are we, they have a different internal structure which suits some and not others.. we have had some join them from us.. as they have had some join us from them.. tbh i cant imagine bob recruiting "burned out" pvp'ers they would want active keen hard working pvp'ers like we recruit.. burned out pvp'er usually go to empire to chill and make isk from what i see.. maybe your experience of burned out is different.. i can imagine allaince like F-E/PA/old XF etc having burned out pvp'ers from not giving them enuff support to pvp, leaving them on their own to fight without help etc etc.. we work as a team so that doesnt happen the same way.. and it's just a matter for finding the team that works for you.. Much respect for Bob's combat and industrial capabilities but I can't see any circumstances under which I'd join them. As for burning out Pvpers well Xetic was good for that. I left xetic with one BS, no loot and no isk. Finding the right team is important. I like my team and the side I've chosen. I could have taken the easy road and joined ASCN or someone else but that just didn't feel right. I'd rather take the right road than the easy road any day. But from the limited experience I have fighting Bob they're quite a challenge. it'd be interesting seeing the force that finally brings them down. Those will be some legendary battles.
Boldyn	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:12:00 - [201] Originally by: Fire Hawk I know your feeling. Not very funny to get wtfpwned all the time Erm....no, to easy.. - "Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back"
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.12.07 17:47:00 - [202] Quote: Much respect for Bob's combat and industrial capabilities but I can't see any circumstances under which I'd join them. As for burning out Pvpers well Xetic was good for that. I left xetic with one BS, no loot and no isk. Finding the right team is important. I like my team and the side I've chosen. I could have taken the easy road and joined ASCN or someone else but that just didn't feel right. I'd rather take the right road than the easy road any day. But from the limited experience I have fighting Bob they're quite a challenge. it'd be interesting seeing the force that finally brings them down. Those will be some legendary battles. I'm sorry but majority of you people (Directed to everyone) don't fight solo. Not that it means anything when fighting even numbers but other than that you all hold hands. So being majority of the alliances mentioned is always the easy road. No matter if you're being defeated or not. Try being a dot in a book of words. Then you will understand what I mean... -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri The world is my expense The cost of my desire Jesus blessed me with its future And I protect it with fire So raise your fists And march around
n0ppa	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:57:00 - [203] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Quote: Much respect for Bob's combat and industrial capabilities but I can't see any circumstances under which I'd join them. As for burning out Pvpers well Xetic was good for that. I left xetic with one BS, no loot and no isk. Finding the right team is important. I like my team and the side I've chosen. I could have taken the easy road and joined ASCN or someone else but that just didn't feel right. I'd rather take the right road than the easy road any day. But from the limited experience I have fighting Bob they're quite a challenge. it'd be interesting seeing the force that finally brings them down. Those will be some legendary battles. I'm sorry but majority of you people (Directed to everyone) don't fight solo. Not that it means anything when fighting even numbers but other than that you all hold hands. So being majority of the alliances mentioned is always the easy road. No matter if you're being defeated or not. Try being a dot in a book of words. Then you will understand what I mean... Perhaps, getting over yourself is in order? Who said "there is no spoon?" quite clearly there is.
Remmington Daniels	Posted - 2005.12.07 20:15:00 - [204] Edited by: Remmington Daniels on 07/12/2005 20:21:00 edit: Double Post :/ OMGZ GUYES HES POSTIN WITH HIS MAIN
Remmington Daniels	Posted - 2005.12.07 20:20:00 - [205] Originally by: LUKEC i can only say... fighting .5. is bljak, sux, no point... RISK... well they go leeroy, we go leeroy... FUN FUN FUN I <3 risk. We thought you loads of times. You hid/popped drones out to lag systems out (H-PA Prime example wasnt it 200 odd to like 67). We got bored, and now we're looking elsewhere for targets. Quick edit to stop the "OMGTHEFIVEARECOMPLAININGBECAUSETHEYGOTBLOBBEDWINGEWINGEWINGERABBLERABBLE" Comments: You were at 100k from us.. there was 200 of you and 60 odd of us. Nothing would load for us (and theres a movie somewhere about it). You then THEN had the audacity to pop your drones out. Please? Have you got some sort of tech VIII Drones? that shoot from 100k+? because I'd like a Price Check and a Skill Check. If you havent, please tell me... what the hells the point? We STILL had the balls to jump into you, even if we were greatly outnumbered. Please, for the sanity of your unborn children.. check your facts and try not to waste my bandwidth in the future. I hate reading Worthless drivvel from a soon to be dead alliance. OMGZ GUYES HES POSTIN WITH HIS MAIN
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.07 21:04:00 - [206] Originally by: Remmington Daniels Originally by: LUKEC i can only say... fighting .5. is bljak, sux, no point... RISK... well they go leeroy, we go leeroy... FUN FUN FUN I <3 risk. We thought you loads of times. You hid/popped drones out to lag systems out (H-PA Prime example wasnt it 200 odd to like 67). We got bored, and now we're looking elsewhere for targets. Quick edit to stop the "OMGTHEFIVEARECOMPLAININGBECAUSETHEYGOTBLOBBEDWINGEWINGEWINGERABBLERABBLE" Comments: You were at 100k from us.. there was 200 of you and 60 odd of us. Nothing would load for us (and theres a movie somewhere about it). You then THEN had the audacity to pop your drones out. Please? Have you got some sort of tech VIII Drones? that shoot from 100k+? because I'd like a Price Check and a Skill Check. If you havent, please tell me... what the hells the point? We STILL had the balls to jump into you, even if we were greatly outnumbered. Please, for the sanity of your unborn children.. check your facts and try not to waste my bandwidth in the future. I hate reading Worthless drivvel from a soon to be dead alliance. WTF is wrong with you? We cannot order our pilots to stay docked you know? And ffs this is 1 month old, get over it. Anyway i was inactive at that time, but i tought PA/NBSI/FE jumped into hpa and you hoped that it will lag us out. I hope i quoted Tholarim correct. Maybe ask Evil Thug. Now go back ganking carebears... and don't forget wcs. Still risk is fun, afluff well... You are too uber for many tastes, including mine. And when we are at it, i'll make sure that i will lose exactly 0 ships to you. Even if i have to resort to lame sh1t like living in complex or sitting in station till eve2 comes out. Anyway how is detorid, tenerifis, immensea, ... doing? I've heard that your winning move out of there really was masterplan? Proud member of dead alliance. (but maybe i'll shake my t1ts in grave just for you(not that i have them)) And you just made my day.
Remmington Daniels	Posted - 2005.12.07 21:38:00 - [207] Originally by: LUKEC WTF is wrong with you? We cannot order our pilots to stay docked you know? And ffs this is 1 month old, get over it. Anyway i was inactive at that time, but i tought PA/NBSI/FE jumped into hpa and you hoped that it will lag us out. We knew it wouldnt. I remember, I was there. and it may be one month old, but I saw the thread today, I posted today. End Of. OMGZ GUYES HES POSTIN WITH HIS MAIN
Black Lightning	Posted - 2005.12.07 22:21:00 - [208] That 1 month old incident was actually one of the few examples when you had the balls to fight. You guys are known for employing any tactic no matter how lame it is, yet you whine and smack when your opponents do the same to you. From what I've seen from 5 it's mostly been assembling a group of sniping bs's, ganking some carebears or those who don't pay attention to alliance channell, whining that no one wants to fight, smacking like hell in local. If after all there's a fleet that's going to fight you, you run away or log at safe. I remember how we cahced you from one gate to another in d7. You had numerous opportunities to stay and fight, but you preferred to run. So, please. Don't whine when your opponents do to you, what you are doing already for a very long time.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2005.12.07 22:53:00 - [209] Originally by: pershphanie i dont switch sides when the chips are down. that was my point. anyone who switched from one of the northern alliances to bob/5 cause they thought bob/5 were winning is a coward and should not speak of others courage. Ahhh you mean GODS wasn't PA corp once upon the time, but FE all over? I see. Good to be back in north, you still have no clue.
Boonaki	Posted - 2005.12.07 23:02:00 - [210] I remember a convo I had when all of this started asking if I could come play. They told me to go to hell that I wasn't going to steal a single kill from them. Their policy hasn't changed, they never asked for help (that I know of). Fear the Ibis of doom.

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