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Broe
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:07:00 -
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Am I correct in assuming that CCP condone what i call griefing PVE players in hi-sec - minibumping/suicede ganking
does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?"
?
I mine, I do combat mission all in hi-sec. dont have the isk or skill to rumbel in low-0sec.

As isk can buy PLEX and PLEX have a $ value it is nothing but a nasty form of shakedown or moneyracket or blackmail etc.
Does this not pose a problem?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15405
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:15:00 -
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Broe wrote:Am I correct in assuming that CCP condone what i call griefing PVE players in hi-sec - minibumping/suicede ganking They do not condone griefing, no. They just have a completely different view of what griefing is.
Taking all your money through any legit means available isn't it.
Quote:does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?" Extortion is legit, yes.
Quote:As isk can buy PLEX and PLEX have a $ value it is nothing but a nasty form of shakedown or moneyracket or blackmail etc.
Does this not pose a problem? No. The instant the PLEX comes into existence, it becomes a full in-game asset. You may not trade it, or ISK, for cash (same as for any other in-game item) and you can lose it the same as any other such item. Your ISK is worthless and is, in fact, not even yours but CCP's. Just because you've lost ISK doesn't mean you've lost anything in the real world. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

WonkySplitDemon
Red Dawn Mercenaries
20
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:16:00 -
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Aww what a cute pet name "minibumping"
Bless your socks
furthermore, what you described is not griefing, CCP said so, what you "class" as griefing is not important.
htfu etc etc
EDIT: Oh and extorting people is actually really fun, you should try it some day  |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4939
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:18:00 -
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Show us on the barge doll where the bad men from the new order touched you..... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9850
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:20:00 -
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Extortion is not griefing, CCP see it as a legitimate gameplay option and it's their opinion that matters.
Why shouldn't we be able to rob people of their valuables for profit? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15406
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:22:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Show us on the barge doll where the bad men from the new order touched you..... WTB: Hulk plushie doll. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Xessej
Darqsyde Exploration Limited Mass - Effect
23
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:23:00 -
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Broe wrote:does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?"
Unless you are flying some crazy valuable ship tell them to bugger off. Fly omni tanked for a while and if the try a gank they'll lose a lot more than you do
If they really wanted to gank you there would have been no warning or negotiation. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
442
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:26:00 -
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They condone questionable anti-social behavior.
I suppose I would call it griefing, but others get their panties in a wad and claim it doesn't hurt no one.
Personally, I like think that tears are real and that griefing is real.
Otherwise the stakes aren't as high. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
258
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:27:00 -
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Most people complain to CCP about "griefing" because they got bumped off an asteroid and they remain in the field amd get repeatedly bumped...
Heres an idea: Simple solution (also CCP's solution) move to another belt/move systems... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15406
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:32:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Personally, I like think that tears are real and that griefing is real. If the tears are real, it's not really the griefer that suffers from some kind of questionable behaviourGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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WonkySplitDemon
Red Dawn Mercenaries
20
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Personally, I like think that tears are real and that griefing is real. If the tears are real, it's not really the supposed griefer that suffers from some kind of questionable behaviourGǪ
Words of wisdom here
Some people seem to genuinely forget EVE is a game |

SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
15
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:40:00 -
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You mad Broe? |

Felicity Love
Interstellar Booty Hunters
728
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:41:00 -
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Always amazes me the number of people who expect some degree of RL "common courtesy" or "etiquette" in a virtual environment that simply does not require that sort of thing from anyone.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
442
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Personally, I like think that tears are real and that griefing is real. If the tears are real, it's not really the supposed griefer that suffers from some kind of questionable behaviourGǪ
No. I suppose not. The griefer tends to get the nice end of the griefing stick.
Have you never heard someone rage in comes before swearing they were going to quit the game in the brink of tears?
I have. I'm not sure if it was sad or funny.
Sure EVE is a game, but its like poker. The stakes are real and people get pretty upset when they lose $100 dollar worth of ship.
Especially those who actually paid money to pay for their ships.
And then get their carrier awox'd.
Considering CCP makes ads that say its cool to steal billions out of the corp wallet, I would say they were condone being an ass.
Nothing wrong with it I am saying. I am just saying its a better game when the tears are real.
To deny that denies why people take this game so seriously. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

WonkySplitDemon
Red Dawn Mercenaries
20
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:09:00 -
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The ship he lost was worth 300 billion isk, or around 8000 US dollars at current exchange rates (plex). I would rage too, but then I would remember its Internet spaceships and go to the pub |

Elliavir
Kid's Logistics Inc
39
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:16:00 -
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Broe wrote:Am I correct in assuming that CCP condone what i call griefing PVE players in hi-sec - minibumping/suicede ganking does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?" ? I mine, I do combat mission all in hi-sec. dont have the isk or skill to rumbel in low-0sec.  As isk can buy PLEX and PLEX have a $ value it is nothing but a nasty form of shakedown or moneyracket or blackmail etc. Does this not pose a problem?
You have a few options...
a) pay, view the extortion as a business expense, and hope they are honest extortionists
b) move elsewhere, and hope the new neighborhood has nicer residents
c) become a less attractive target
I usually opt for c), but they are all valid choices. |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
171
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:30:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Always amazes me the number of people who expect some degree of RL "common courtesy" or "etiquette" in a virtual environment that simply does not require that sort of thing from anyone.
You could extend that to the entire Internet where, up until recently, there were no consequences for acting horribly to someone else. Now there are actual consequences it will be interesting to see if that trickles down to gaming. |

Six Six Six
Blood and Decay
187
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:33:00 -
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Broe wrote:Am I correct in assuming that CCP condone what i call griefing PVE players in hi-sec - minibumping/suicede ganking does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?" ? I mine, I do combat mission all in hi-sec. dont have the isk or skill to rumbel in low-0sec.  As isk can buy PLEX and PLEX have a $ value it is nothing but a nasty form of shakedown or moneyracket or blackmail etc. Does this not pose a problem?
What you call griefing in your post is not actually griefing. It is a valid part of the game and yes CCP support it.
ISK has no real currency value. PLEX has an ISK value depending on what the market is at the time. But PLEX has no real currency value once purchased from CCP. So to recap a PLEX in-game has no real currency value, just an in-game currency value.
You can pay ISK for PLEX then extend game time, but that's not using real currency as CCP has already received that at point of sale of the PLEX before they entered the game.
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Amnesiaa Haze
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:42:00 -
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You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"...
The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about...
The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unread
Great wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power.
As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else. |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
172
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:46:00 -
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Amnesiaa Haze wrote:You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"... The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about... The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unreadGreat wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power. As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else. Opinions are not facts, please don't confuse the two in the future. This game is what you want it to be, though the OP should keep in mind that the one constant is that's it's an MMO with a permanent PvP flag. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1506
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Show us on the barge doll where the bad men from the new order touched you..... WTB: Hulk plushie doll.
Couldn't find one. But I did find a damnation
http://www.tigerears.org/2009/11/23/damnation-plush-toy/ |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
344
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:55:00 -
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Amnesiaa Haze wrote:You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"... The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about... The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unreadGreat wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power. As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.
Nothing in EVE is insignificant. Looking at your haircut, e.g. makes me remember how much I hated late 80ies female haircuts...
Aside from that, EVE is what you make it... Totally boring, totally cool. About TiDi'ed megawars or about other stuff you can come up with... Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE YouTube Vids (most recent): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2alSWxXQbI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEzNNYSlDE |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
442
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:55:00 -
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Amnesiaa Haze wrote:You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"... The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about... The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unreadGreat wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power. As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.
Wow. That is the most tardbartastic elistist view I have seen anyone spew in a while.
Just because you don't belong to a null-sec alliance doesn't mean CCP cares less about your money.
Sure, you aren't going to be making gaming news, but people who enjoy playing by themselves and are enjoying it aren't doing anything wrong.
Secondly, I wonder how all those ships the alliances lose on a daily basis were made?
Certainly they didn't call CCP and ask them to put ore in their hangers.
Someone mined it and given that most pvp people don't like to mine, I believe it is safe to say someone who doesn't participate directly in the alliance wars somehow aquired it through shooting rocks in high sec somewhere.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Amnesiaa Haze
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:22:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Amnesiaa Haze wrote:You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"... The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about... The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unreadGreat wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power. As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else. Wow. That is the most tardbartastic elistist view I have seen anyone spew in a while. Just because you don't belong to a null-sec alliance doesn't mean CCP cares less about your money. Sure, you aren't going to be making gaming news, but people who enjoy playing by themselves and are enjoying it aren't doing anything wrong. Secondly, I wonder how all those ships the alliances lose on a daily basis were made? Certainly they didn't call CCP and ask them to put ore in their hangers. Someone mined it and given that most pvp people don't like to mine, I believe it is safe to say someone who doesn't participate directly in the alliance wars somehow aquired it through shooting rocks in high sec somewhere.
Alliances have their own resources, in all respects. Trust me, Alliances do not rely on lone Hisec miners to supply their war efforts.
EVE is one big choice, you can do anything you want.... and that works both ways, if me and my friends want to gank you while you're mining.. WE WILL.
If you want to waste your time in EVE mining in Hisec,, YOU WILL.
But coming to the forum and complaining about the game working exactly how it was intended?...
People like that need to open their eyes, read about the history of the game, what actually takes place in EVE, and the future of EVE.
They will be amazed out the complexity and sheer scale of the potential the game has. While they're on a 0.9 belt mining atseroids alone... they're not even exposed to 0.00001% of what EVE actually is... how could they possibly come to the forum and claim the game is broken when they do not even know what the game is!? |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
34
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:43:00 -
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Broe wrote:Am I correct in assuming that CCP condone what i call griefing PVE players in hi-sec - minibumping/suicede ganking does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?" ? I mine, I do combat mission all in hi-sec. dont have the isk or skill to rumbel in low-0sec.  As isk can buy PLEX and PLEX have a $ value it is nothing but a nasty form of shakedown or moneyracket or blackmail etc. Does this not pose a problem?
CCP's response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
442
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:10:00 -
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Amnesiaa Haze wrote:Alliances have their own resources, in all respects. Trust me, Alliances do not rely on lone Hisec miners to supply their war efforts.
Wait, what? I thought the current mantra was "Null Sec Industry is broken" and they hate the fact that they have to import everything in jump freighters from Jita.
There have been 40 page threadnaughts of people whining and complaining that Hi-sec industrialists were outperforming Null and that something needs to be done so they don't have to buy from Jita anymore.
And I highly doubt those hi-sec industrialists are buying all their veld from null.
Unless you want to argue that they don't and Null Sec industry is fine.
I'm fine with that answer too. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15411
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:21:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Wait, what? I thought the current mantra was "Null Sec Industry is broken" and they hate the fact that they have to import everything in jump freighters from Jita. It is. That's why all the nullsec industrialists are in highsec. So no, they don't particularly need highsec miners.
Quote:There have been 40 page threadnaughts of people whining and complaining that Hi-sec industrialists were outperforming Null and that something needs to be done so they don't have to buy from Jita anymore. I suppose that, being 40 pages long, you skipped over the important bits: the problem has nothing to do with highsec industrialists GÇö it has to do with nullsec industrialists being stuck in highsec unless they want to be hideously inefficient.
Quote:Unless you want to argue that they don't and Null Sec industry is fine. Nope. You're just setting up a false dichotomy. Just because nullsec alliances don't need highsec miners to supply their war efforts doesn't mean that nullsec industry isn't broken as hell. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
442
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:40:00 -
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So what you are saying is that null sec industrialists are really hi-sec industrialists who mine all their ore in null-sec, haul it into high sec, build all their stuff there and ship it back to null sec hoping to not have the freighter run into a hostile roam?
It seems rather counter intuitive to run very dangerous mining op to mine billions worth of trit, when you could be doing it safely in high sec so I can see your complaint where Nullsec isn't as great as High for industry.
But if they are mining in high sec that does make them dirty high sec miners...
Look, I know of one person who is building super's in lowsec for nullsec. His main gathering operations are in high sec. He strikes deals with hi-sec miners because he needs billions in trit. I don't know his position in his alliance or what he does in null since he is rather private about that, but apparently he's got a budget and the connections because he buys tons of minerals in bulk.
Also, its not a false dichotomy if one has to be true and one has to be false.
Either Nullsec industry produces everything it needs in nullsec meaning it requires no fix or it doesn't and null buys/builds/imports stuff from high sec meaning null industry needs improvement.
One of these has to be true and the other has to be false. No fancy talk will change this truth.
Pick one. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Khira Kitamatsu
678
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:44:00 -
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Amnesiaa Haze wrote:You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"... The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about... The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unreadGreat wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power. As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.
Oh hey, I guess CCP should stop marketing their game as a sandbox huh? Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |

Khira Kitamatsu
678
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:48:00 -
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Amnesiaa Haze wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Amnesiaa Haze wrote:You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"... The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about... The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unreadGreat wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power. As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else. Wow. That is the most tardbartastic elistist view I have seen anyone spew in a while. Just because you don't belong to a null-sec alliance doesn't mean CCP cares less about your money. Sure, you aren't going to be making gaming news, but people who enjoy playing by themselves and are enjoying it aren't doing anything wrong. Secondly, I wonder how all those ships the alliances lose on a daily basis were made? Certainly they didn't call CCP and ask them to put ore in their hangers. Someone mined it and given that most pvp people don't like to mine, I believe it is safe to say someone who doesn't participate directly in the alliance wars somehow aquired it through shooting rocks in high sec somewhere. Alliances have their own resources, in all respects. Trust me, Alliances do not rely on lone Hisec miners to supply their war efforts. EVE is one big choice, you can do anything you want.... and that works both ways, if me and my friends want to gank you while you're mining.. WE WILL. If you want to waste your time in EVE mining in Hisec,, YOU WILL. But coming to the forum and complaining about the game working exactly how it was intended?... People like that need to open their eyes, read about the history of the game, what actually takes place in EVE, and the future of EVE. They will be amazed out the complexity and sheer scale of the potential the game has. While they're on a 0.9 belt mining atseroids alone... they're not even exposed to 0.00001% of what EVE actually is... how could they possibly come to the forum and claim the game is broken when they do not even know what the game is!?
Oh and hey, as a high-sec player I don't give a flying gnats ass what the people in low-sec and null-sec do. What you do in low-sec, null-sec has zero impact on my game. How do you like them apples? Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
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