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Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 546	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:13:00 - [151] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: You are being stupid. Nope...wiser. Frostys Virpio wrote: You had all the power available What power again? CSMs have zero power. No gaming company is so foolish to let the mob run it. It's a show piece for ePeeners...and we see by how much too! Continue beliving that. In the meantime, we will get changes to the game that makes sense and make it better instead of a bunch of pubbies' ideas that would break it.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 10632	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:14:00 - [152] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: You are being stupid. Nope...wiser. Frostys Virpio wrote: You had all the power available What power again? CSMs have zero power. No gaming company is so foolish to let the mob run it. It's a show piece for ePeeners...and we see by how much too! Keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. We'll be over here, getting stuff done. 1 Kings 12:11
Bi-Mi Lansatha Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem 165	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:18:00 - [153] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: For a representative on the CSM. Ya know, the whole reason why the election happen, so the players can choose who will represent them in front of CCP? Again this represent word? Has your representative asked you your opinion or views on any issue? Have the CSM as a whole polled the player base on what they want? Did they come to the player with changes CCP was thinking of making and getting our opinion? I see no representation at all in CSM. For me, I voted for Technical Experts to interface with CCP. Ones I felt were either knowledgeable or brought something to the table. I would have voted for mynnna (Goonswarm and evil of course), if I didn't already believe they were a lock. In game Mynnna would destroy my ships, take all my ISK, and the probably find some way to erase my skill points, but... he knows part of this game that very few do. In his area he is an expert. He sure doesn't represent me.
Echo Echoplex School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 27	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:20:00 - [154] - Quote Am I misunderstanding something here? So someone gets scammed and calls it an exploit. Pages fill with vet players and a couple of CSMs, including the one in question, explaining to the OP that it is in fact, NOT an exploit. OP continues to say it is over and over again, even after a Dev comes in and makes it crystal clear he is wrong and that it is NOT an exploit period. Said CSM, rather than elaborate in a thread already filled with elaborate explanations, cuts to the chase. Meanwhile: Maldiro Selkurk wrote: Q 5 wrote: Geez it's only a small infraction let's not rip the mans balls for being human...you chimps sit down and have a banana Had this been his first such post then perhaps I can see your point but if you are a regular forum reader you will see such postings by him repeatedly. And no I'm not going to search the entirety of every thread in every forum looking for past examples of such behavior. You start a thread calling for someone's JOB and aren't even willing to offer any justification for it beyond not liking his posting style? This is silly. Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets. Gen. George S. Patton
Leigh Akiga State War Academy Caldari State 23	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:20:00 - [155] - Quote no cussing pls
Harry Forever SpaceJunkys 312	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:22:00 - [156] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Harry Forever wrote: Malcanis wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: KuroVolt wrote: Malcanis telling it for what it is and people getting mad over it. Does being CSM somehow mean they all have to wear suits and end every sentence with the word sir? Someone claimed the average age in EvE of it's players is 38 years-old (I'm closer to 50). Mal is 23, and acts everything like that 13 year-old cousin that visits, that you want to leave like yesterday. Which shows even on the behavioral level, he's not suited for the job. And adults don't prefer kids telling them what to do, especially if they're this unwise. 23 year-old competent guy, sure. Someone who has the social skillset to actually be a politician. I'm 41, and I'm no politician. I disclaimed any intention to run for re-election in my campaign thread, and I ran on a platform of being exactly who I am, take it or leave it. yea please leave Malcanis, you are just wrong for that position, and you give other jounger players the wrong impression how to act in forums and in the game, you are one reason this is such an unpolite environement Did you vote? its easy to bullshit around and have some kids vote for you, its much harder to achieve something meaningful with integrity OMG! the asteroid is depleted!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 10634	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:25:00 - [157] - Quote Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: For a representative on the CSM. Ya know, the whole reason why the election happen, so the players can choose who will represent them in front of CCP? Again this represent word? Has your representative asked you your opinion or views on any issue? Have the CSM as a whole polled the player base on what they want? Did they come to the player with changes CCP was thinking of making and getting our opinion? I see no representation at all in CSM. For me, I voted for Technical Experts to interface with CCP. Ones I felt were either knowledgeable or brought something to the table. I would have voted for mynnna (Goonswarm and evil of course), if I didn't already believe they were a lock. In game Mynnna would destroy my ships, take all my ISK, and the probably find some way to erase my skill points, but... he knows part of this game that very few do. In his area he is an expert. He sure doesn't represent me. Perhaps it could be said that I represent my conception of your (the playerbase's) interests as a whole. That doesn't necessarily include the specific views of any one player. Since I laid out my conception of that interest in considerable detail in my campaign thread, I think it would be a reasonable inference to make that those who voted for me did so because they generally agreed with that conception and decided that I would be the best (or second best or third best, but at least somewhere, given that it was an STV) person to advocate for their interests to CCP. Perhaps there are people who voted for me who believe in PvP-flags for hi-sec and banning scams and so on. If so, they chose poorly. Indeed, I actively advised several people not to vote on me on that basis (I told you I was no politician) 1 Kings 12:11
Cebraio 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 303	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:26:00 - [158] - Quote Looser Eto wrote: OK let's see: 1. CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool 2. Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways: - Trade window scams - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) - Numerous contract scams - Isk doublers - Mining "permits" - ...and the list goes on 3. On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions - Ship bumping - Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS) - AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend - Verbally abusing & harassing - Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels - Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build - ... and much much more .... Let's see indeed: I am a veteran and I have voted for Malcanis. Yet I have done nothing of the above. I call bullshit on these alleged facts. Also: Looser Eto wrote: - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) Not an exploit. Looser Eto wrote: - Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS) Not abusing mechanics.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 10637	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:26:00 - [159] - Quote However at no point in my campaign (or at any other time) did I undertake to be nice to people who come to the community with bad ideas that would damage the game just because they couldn't accept that they'd been outplayed by another player. Not calling bullshit on posts like that would be a betrayal of the people who voted for me. 1 Kings 12:11

CCP Dolan C C P C C P Alliance 493	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:27:00 - [160] - Quote Moving this thread to Jita Park. Also, as the person in charge of the CSM, if you feel that a CSM member has violated the EULA/TOS/NDA or has been particularly offensive in their communication with the player base, feel free to EVE Mail me. I should warn you, however, that I am of a firm belief that CCP selectively excluding CSM's based on their opinions and attitudes is potentially extremely harmful to the institution, and that I will typically only exclude CSM members in the most clear cut of cases. CCP Dolan \| Community Representative Twitter: @CCPDolan Gooby pls

Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 546	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:27:00 - [161] - Quote Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: For a representative on the CSM. Ya know, the whole reason why the election happen, so the players can choose who will represent them in front of CCP? Again this represent word? Has your representative asked you your opinion or views on any issue? Have the CSM as a whole polled the player base on what they want? Did they come to the player with changes CCP was thinking of making and getting our opinion? I see no representation at all in CSM. For me, I voted for Technical Experts to interface with CCP. Ones I felt were either knowledgeable or brought something to the table. I would have voted for mynnna (Goonswarm and evil of course), if I didn't already believe they were a lock. In game Mynnna would destroy my ships, take all my ISK, and the probably find some way to erase my skill points, but... he knows part of this game that very few do. In his area he is an expert. He sure doesn't represent me. Anyone who got elected had a platform. Thats where you had to go to see if they would represent you. If thier ideas were similar to your and in line with what you wanted, you should vote for them. If not, pick someone else. If nobody's platform was representative of what you wanted, then you should of built your own and run for election. If it was representative of enough toher players, you would of gotten elected.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4344	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:28:00 - [162] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: CSM White Paper wrote: CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set. If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Manfred Hideous TOHOKU 9.0 35	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:29:00 - [163] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: DED Capsuleer wrote: Obviously the CSM member you voted for is doing a bullshit job, don't blame those who are representing their voters just fine. In RL, I've been voting since I was 17. In EvE, I will never vote for a system that's even worse than the US two party politics. Wow eight pages of this ****? Seriously, if the US system is so bad, you can find plenty of totalitarian utopias to move to. Two parties is bullshit, one party - best party.
Frying Doom 2511	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:33:00 - [164] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Frying Doom wrote: CSM White Paper wrote: CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set. If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community. Another wonderful example of Bullshit. Have you considered running for the CSM or any political office. You would fit in well. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 389	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:33:00 - [165] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Continue beliving that. In the meantime, we will get changes to the game that makes sense and make it better instead of a bunch of pubbies' ideas that would break it. Ah, "pubbies".... Goons and their diseases. Can't do it in WoW (Blizzard knows all about this junk to allow it), but spread it 4 channel style in EvE, instead. BTW, how does it feel to deplete everything, and bank on it refilling your coffers again? Have to dig deeper Goons to impact the rest of the game -- and Mitt will have to work 2 jobs to sink that amount of cash in game -- because you won't affect the bottom line. That becomes affected, the casino owner changes the rules again, and no toothless CSMs can change that bottom line. Adults learn that wisdom is the better teacher, not intelligence and rote game play. Goons are a one trick pony, and games can't remain or become stagnant. Dinosaurs are meant to become extinct, you know? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 407	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:38:00 - [166] - Quote Quote: Adults learn that wisdom is the better teacher, not intelligence This explains so much. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 389	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:38:00 - [167] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Frying Doom wrote: CSM White Paper wrote: CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set. If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community. That level of truth can be said in a manner that is above douchebaggery. Only kids without the social skills can't speak to a community lesser than a douche. That drill sergeant didn't get to be a drill sergeant due to his screaming, its due to his LEADERSHIP abilities. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Guttripper State War Academy Caldari State 298	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:45:00 - [168] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: You had all the power available What power again? CSMs have zero power. No gaming company is so foolish to let the mob run it. It's a show piece for ePeeners...and we see by how much too! Keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. We'll be over here, getting stuff done. On a side note, casually "watching" the CSM over the years has given me a mixed reaction into how much power they possess. When something great is added to the game, past CSM members were standing proud, stating they worked with CCP hand-in-hand to get this addition done right. Yet if there is a fiasco episode, much less a change that is not generally accepted by the masses, past CSM members were stating they have no power to change CCP from doing what CCP wants to do and they are but an advisory group at best. I understand people would want to use the CSM as scapegoats when things do not go their way. But at the same time, the CSM as a whole should accept the criticism if they want to accept the accolades - not dance around to suit their purpose. Just my thoughts.
Manfred Hideous TOHOKU 9.0 35	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:46:00 - [169] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Frying Doom wrote: CSM White Paper wrote: CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set. If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community. Only kids without the social skills can't speak to a community lesser than a douche. Bullshit BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children!
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4344	Posted - 2013.07.09 13:49:00 - [170] - Quote Quote: I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set. If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community. Quote: That drill sergeant didn't get to be a drill sergeant due to his screaming, its due to his LEADERSHIP abilities. Thank you for so eloquently proving my point Ace. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 389	Posted - 2013.07.09 14:07:00 - [171] - Quote Manfred Hideous wrote: Bullshit BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children! Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not. You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander. Experience counts, and knowing the difference. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 389	Posted - 2013.07.09 14:08:00 - [172] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Thank you for so eloquently proving my point Ace. When they show actual leadership, you have a point. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Trebor Daehdoow Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 2961	Posted - 2013.07.09 14:20:00 - [173] - Quote Budrick3 wrote: Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents. Malcanis does not represent CCP. He is not a CCP employee or contractor. Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots. On CSM, masochism is not an option -- it's a requirement!
Manfred Hideous TOHOKU 9.0 35	Posted - 2013.07.09 14:37:00 - [174] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Manfred Hideous wrote: Bullshit BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children! Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not. You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander. Experience counts, and knowing the difference. LOL. You don't appear to know the meaning of those words you're using. By saying bullshit, he was saying "I strongly disagree with your claim' albeit in much more laconic terms. If anything, his use of the language was like tightly written code and a beauty to behold.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 390	Posted - 2013.07.09 15:07:00 - [175] - Quote Trebor Daehdoow wrote: Budrick3 wrote: Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents. Malcanis does not represent CCP. He is not a CCP employee or contractor. Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots. Game with 500k accounts, how many of the "vast majority" even voted in itself? I didn't. Didn't take but less than 30 minutes reading not only the applicants platforms, it's history to see this toothless monster doesn't even have dentures! And on top of it, a guy above hit the nail on the head about CSM for leadership: they are around to promote themselves over popular features, but when they show up for unpopular features that may even make players physically sick, their "leadership" is to support the very feature that can make people sick. That's not leadership. That's self-promotion. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 390	Posted - 2013.07.09 15:10:00 - [176] - Quote Manfred Hideous wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: Manfred Hideous wrote: Bullshit BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children! Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not. You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander. Experience counts, and knowing the difference. LOL. You don't appear to know the meaning of those words you're using. By saying bullshit, he was saying "I strongly disagree with your claim' albeit in much more laconic terms. If anything, his use of the language was like tightly written code and a beauty to behold. Half the time the people posting don't even bother to read what they're commenting about before posting, this is an example of that half. ^ "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Manfred Hideous TOHOKU 9.0 35	Posted - 2013.07.09 15:46:00 - [177] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Manfred Hideous wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: Manfred Hideous wrote: Bullshit BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children! Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not. You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander. Experience counts, and knowing the difference. LOL. You don't appear to know the meaning of those words you're using. By saying bullshit, he was saying "I strongly disagree with your claim' albeit in much more laconic terms. If anything, his use of the language was like tightly written code and a beauty to behold. Half the time the people posting don't even bother to read what they're commenting about before posting, this is an example of that half. ^ I don't blame you for not bothering to read my comment. There's probably another word in there that you didn't understand.
Omnathious Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 1249	Posted - 2013.07.09 16:33:00 - [178] - Quote Harry Forever wrote: Malcanis wrote: Did you vote? its easy to bullshit around and have some kids vote for you, its much harder to achieve something meaningful with integrity I take that as a no. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious
Omnathious Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 1249	Posted - 2013.07.09 16:37:00 - [179] - Quote I have had my differences with CSM Malcanis, but he is doing what I expected of him, which is why he got all my votes. @OP the game need not cater to every new player that thinks the game need "Change X and Y but don't forget to change Z also because that would make the game so cool!!!1111" You have a privilege of an open forums where the game developers read ideas and I have seen some come to fruition. This can be taken away at there whim. Oh and just for good measure: Bullshit! Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 5662	Posted - 2013.07.09 16:52:00 - [180] - Quote Inokuma Yawara wrote: Aside from the profanity, I don't see anything wrong with his statement. He's making an assertion about a player that will not admit that he/she has been snookered properly and within normal operating conditions. Although, I wonder... If any of us regular players said, "Bullshit" or used any other profane words within our posts, even when making valid points, will our threads get locked for cause? If so, then it is inappropriate for him to use profane language in his posts because it is a forum rules violation. He should not get any special perks or treatment and be allowed to use such words when the rest of us cannot. However, if it ain't against the rules to say "Bullshit" in a thread post, then where's the problem? So, is it against the rules, or is it not against the rules? Referee? The rule book, please. I've said it more than a few times myself, and I don't recall ever getting a thread locked or getting banned because of it. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel.

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