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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
23
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:49:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long!
Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player.
(btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) |

Khira Kitamatsu
678
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:51:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
Oooo...drama....link to original post please! Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |

Solaris Ecladia
High Flyers Ex Cinere Scriptor
95
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:51:00 -
[3] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
this kind of post is why i voted for him |

Budrick3
Sultans of Swag
22
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:52:00 -
[4] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents. |

Ecks Khan
Smokin Aces.
7
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:55:00 -
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Solaris Ecladia wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) this kind of post is why i voted for him
Me too. |

Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
23
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:56:00 -
[6] - Quote
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) Oooo...drama....link to original post please!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3315175#post3315175 |

Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:57:00 -
[7] - Quote
Geez it's only a small infraction let's not rip the mans balls for being human...you chimps sit down and have a banana |

Felicity Love
Interstellar Booty Hunters
729
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:00:00 -
[8] - Quote
IB4 the orbital strike...
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
511
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:02:00 -
[9] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
His response was appropriate to the bullshit thread in question. Why do you feel the need to be coddled by authority figures? Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |

Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
23
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:02:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:Geez it's only a small infraction let's not rip the mans balls for being human...you chimps sit down and have a banana 
Had this been his first such post then perhaps I can see your point but if you are a regular forum reader you will see such postings by him repeatedly.
And no I'm not going to search the entirety of every thread in every forum looking for past examples of such behavior. |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
287
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:03:00 -
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Budrick3 wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents.
bullshit, he represents me just fine You can trust me, I have a monocole |

Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
23
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:07:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) His response was appropriate to the bullshit thread in question. Why do you feel the need to be coddled by authority figures?
I won't be bothering to post something about you using the term bullshit for the very reason you are just some regular old joe-blow poster but CSM Malcanis has an official game recognized title and needs to be held to a higher standard. |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
172
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:08:00 -
[13] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) His response was appropriate to the bullshit thread in question. Why do you feel the need to be coddled by authority figures? Because that the way his parents raised him? It's always the parents fault. |

Frying Doom
2507
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:13:00 -
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CSM White Paper wrote:CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway.  Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Cambarus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
328
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:15:00 -
[15] - Quote
Setaceous wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) His response was appropriate to the bullshit thread in question. Why do you feel the need to be coddled by authority figures? Because that the way his parents raised him? It's always the parents fault. ...bullshit? |

Khira Kitamatsu
678
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:17:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:CSM White Paper wrote:CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. 
Who cares about CSM Representative rules anyway...this is EVE...anything goes. Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
511
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:17:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:CSM White Paper wrote:CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. 
I like that rule.
It tells me that CSM Malcanis expects the community to call it like they see it. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |

Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2696
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:18:00 -
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EVE is real.
Democracy is not. |

Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
26
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:19:00 -
[19] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:CSM White Paper wrote:CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. 
Thank you for taking the time to post this. |

Frying Doom
2507
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:22:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Frying Doom wrote:CSM White Paper wrote:CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway.  I like that rule. It tells me that CSM Malcanis expects the community to call it like they see it. See, I took it as we should just act like a bunch of politicians and act like we are superior to everyone else and never wrong.
Oh wait we do....We are EvE players. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
511
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:27:00 -
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So tells us, creepy-eyed OP.
Did Malcanis bone your cat or something?
Did Fluffy leave you afterwards?
Are you currently suffering from Carpathian Kitten Loss? Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2851
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:29:00 -
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Burn the witch!
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Frank Millar
228
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:44:00 -
[23] - Quote
In before more "bullshit" by Malcanis.  |

Aliventi
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
165
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:45:00 -
[24] - Quote
This thread is going places.... 
Also, Malcanis is awesome. He represents the population of Eve that isn't terrible. Which would make sense as to why you would feel poorly represented. "tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through the gate. Effortless intel is bad." ~Me |

How2FoldSoup
Hull Tanking Elitists
20
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:48:00 -
[25] - Quote
I would say he accurately represents the people who elected him just fine.. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3295
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:55:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Q 5 wrote:Geez it's only a small infraction let's not rip the mans balls for being human...you chimps sit down and have a banana  Had this been his first such post then perhaps I can see your point but if you are a regular forum reader you will see such postings by him repeatedly. And no I'm not going to search the entirety of every thread in every forum looking for past examples of such behavior.
Why shouldn't he be allowed to call someone out for being dumb? The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9861
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Posted - 2013.07.09 04:56:00 -
[27] - Quote
TBH he's telling it how he sees it. He's not one to mince words on idiots, which is one of the reasons he topped my ballot.
Why shouldn't we be able to rob people of their valuables for profit? |

Trudeaux Margaret
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
14
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Posted - 2013.07.09 05:12:00 -
[28] - Quote
I have to admit, I lol'd at his response. Sorry man, I have no sympathy for your concern.
|

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5660
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Posted - 2013.07.09 05:29:00 -
[29] - Quote
Budrick3 wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents. Actually I think he represents me rather well, mostly. Apart from some minor stuff we disagree on. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |

Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
349
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Posted - 2013.07.09 05:37:00 -
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The response was appropriate for the level of bullshit in that thread.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Actually I think he represents me rather well, mostly. Apart from some minor stuff we disagree on.
+1 |

Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
260
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:05:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:TBH he's telling it how he sees it. He's not one to mince words on idiots, which is one of the reasons he topped my ballot.
This ^
The guy says it how it is. And we need more CSM member like it. Bullshit OP!!! It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |

Frying Doom
2507
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:23:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:TBH he's telling it how he sees it. He's not one to mince words on idiots, which is one of the reasons he topped my ballot. This ^ The guy says it how it is. And we need more CSM member like it. Bullshit OP!!! While he is full of it himself. At least he contributes to the community.
Even if he only ever said "Bullshit" to everything he is a lot better than some of the other CSM members, past and present.
CSM White Paper wrote:THE COUNCIL STRUCTURE The CSM is a GÇ£flatGÇ¥ organization, and Officers do not have special powers, only additional responsibilities. The responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM. Officers are: Chairman: Trebor Daehdoow Vice Chair: Ripard Teg Secretary: Kesper North Vice Secretary: Ali Aras
CSM White Paper wrote:CSM COMMUNICATION WITH VOTERS Council Representatives are expected to communicate with the voting community through the topic forums mentioned above, but also with individuals as necessary through any means they agree upon. Furthermore, communications regarding the CouncilGÇÖs activities are to be given to the voters throughout the term. So while Malcanis may be full of it, he atleast is part of our community.
Frankly I would like to see CCP actually enforce the rules CSM7 and CCP set down in the white paper. Otherwise it just makes the whole CSM look like well......Bullshit. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

baltec1
Bat Country
7237
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:32:00 -
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I congratulate CSM Malcanis on earning this rage thread made against him and look forwards to many more in the future. |

Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
1299
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:34:00 -
[34] - Quote
I've seen GMs post far more offensive and personal attacks against forum users. The CS in CSM doesn't stand for Customer Service, so maybe that's where you got confused about how CSM members should be allowed to post. Oh god. |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
745
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:34:00 -
[35] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
STFU
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
|

Tesco Ergo Sum
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:44:00 -
[36] - Quote
Malcanis - accurate, relevant and a very good representative.
Perfectly acceptable post given this forum. |

Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1078
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:46:00 -
[37] - Quote
Why am I not surprised? I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |

Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
7959
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:48:00 -
[38] - Quote
tl;dr drugs are bad mkay You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |

Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
7959
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:49:00 -
[39] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:I congratulate CSM Malcanis on earning this rage thread made against him and look forwards to many more in the future. CSM Malcanis The Tear Harvester
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY VOTE You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |

Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
201
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:51:00 -
[40] - Quote
I don't see a single emoticon, grammar mistake, or stale meme in that quote.
I'd say he's setting great example for other posters. |

Katie Frost
Asgard. Exodus.
175
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:52:00 -
[41] - Quote
I suppose the OP prefers the type of CSM Rep that will write out a wall of text in a politically correct manner which, at the end of the day, can be summarised by just one word: "bullshit".
However, you will feel all fuzzy and warm about the way in which it was written, not realising you are gulping up the same crap. It's quite refreshing to have a CSM Rep that just calls it as it is. |

Looser Eto
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:30:00 -
[42] - Quote
OK let's see:
1. CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool
2. Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways: - Trade window scams - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) - Numerous contract scams - Isk doublers - Mining "permits" - ...and the list goes on
3. On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions - Ship bumping - Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS) - AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend - Verbally abusing & harassing - Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels - Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build - ... and much much more
4. CCP does not believe the above behaviors are wrong, because they fall under their own (indeed very unique) definition of "sandbox"
5. Why would anyone expect Malcanis to be any different from the above? One has to "fit in" in order to survive, even more so to get CSM position. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8390
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:37:00 -
[43] - Quote
here's a tissue Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Akiyo Mayaki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
201
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:49:00 -
[44] - Quote
I don't see where Malcanis said anything wrong.
I believe you must have quoted the wrong thing. No |

Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
288
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:55:00 -
[45] - Quote
This thread makes me realize my vote was not wasted when I voted for Malcanis. "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |

Looser Eto
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:55:00 -
[46] - Quote
Andski wrote:here's a tissue
Says the carebear :) |

Ionisaattori
Honest and Ethical Fair Trade Yachting Corporation
37
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:57:00 -
[47] - Quote
I too, play spaceship games on the internet and get insulted when someone calls bullshit. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
521
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:57:00 -
[48] - Quote
Looser Eto wrote: - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really)
Yeah, it's really not. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9891
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:58:00 -
[49] - Quote
Looser Eto wrote:OK let's see: 1. CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool 2. Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways: - Trade window scams - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) No it's not - Numerous contract scams - Isk doublers - Mining "permits" - ...and the list goes on All of which are specifically allowed and encouraged by the way the game is designed, although in general newbies have nothing worth stealing or scamming for.
Quote:3. On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions - Ship bumping - Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS) - AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend - Verbally abusing & harassing - Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels - Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build - ... and much much more The first 3 come under my reply to the above, verbal harassment and abuse, while generally coming from the victims, can be reported to CCP as can excessive profanity in PUBLIC chat channels.
Quote:4. CCP does not believe the above behaviors are wrong, because they fall under their own (indeed very unique) definition of "sandbox" Their game, their rules, don't like it? GTFO
Quote:5. Why would anyone expect Malcanis to be any different from the above? One has to "fit in" in order to survive, even more so to get CSM position. Nope, Malcanis was elected to the CSM platform by virtue of having a balanced platform and a vision for the future, he's an experienced player with a good knowledge of how the game works, and of how the metagame works
Welcome to Eve, CCP Wrangler once said that "EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world; it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.", if you can't accept the core philosophy behind Eve then you're playing the wrong game. All of the above actions are allowed in Eve, because the game was designed to support them, and FYI newbies have nothing worth stealing.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:58:00 -
[50] - Quote
CSM member correctly calls bullshit on an idiot?
I see nothing wrong here.
Move along. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8391
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Posted - 2013.07.09 08:03:00 -
[51] - Quote
Looser Eto wrote:Andski wrote:here's a tissue Says the carebear :)
yeah you're most def not a carebear for crying about suicide ganking, bumping and scamming, which is the axis of evil for the highsec pubbie Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8391
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:04:00 -
[52] - Quote
i get it you're Mad about your hulk being blown up repeatedly because you refuse to learn but please don't blame it on anybody but yourself ok? Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
522
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:07:00 -
[53] - Quote
Andski wrote:i get it you're Mad about your hulk being blown up repeatedly because you refuse to learn but please don't blame it on anybody but yourself ok?
What does this have to do with Saint Malcanis needing his mouth washed out with soap for using big people words? Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |

El-ahrairah
Planetary Research and Investments Ash's to Ash's
1
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:07:00 -
[54] - Quote
don't know the guy never voted for him after reading this thread and seeing what he called bullshit on, I +1 the guy and I'd vote for him next time around if he stood again for CSM.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10600
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:09:00 -
[55] - Quote
I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but calling bullshit aint one.
1 Kings 12:11
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Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
260
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:15:00 -
[56] - Quote
Looser Eto wrote:OK let's see:
1. CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool
2. Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways: - Trade window scams - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) - Numerous contract scams - Isk doublers - Mining "permits" - ...and the list goes on
3. On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions - Ship bumping - Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS) - AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend - Verbally abusing & harassing - Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels - Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build - ... and much much more
4. CCP does not believe the above behaviors are wrong, because they fall under their own (indeed very unique) definition of "sandbox"
5. Why would anyone expect Malcanis to be any different from the above? One has to "fit in" in order to survive, even more so to get CSM position.
This is probably more to your liking then... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |

Vera Denjuros
Mufa Thukker Industries WHY so Seri0Us
15
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:17:00 -
[57] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
Quote:I won't be bothering to post something about you using the term bullshit for the very reason you are just some regular old joe-blow poster but CSM Malcanis has an official game recognized title and needs to be held to a higher standard.
Wait, you are posting this because he used the Word "bullshit"? weeioooweeioooweeiooo its the political correctness squad come to crap in your cereals. Swearwords that arent allowed on the forums are censored for a reason, dumbass. Swearwords that arent censored are allowed.
Whatever you may think about the CSM, they are just players and are held to the same rules as everyone else. They do not represent CCP in any way, they represent the playerbase... in this respect Malcanis was pretty much spot on. +1 for the guy. |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
978
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:20:00 -
[58] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) aw what's the matter? is the internets too harsh on your soft-skinned frail heart?
Looser Eto wrote:OK let's see:
1. CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool
2. Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways: - Trade window scams - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) - Numerous contract scams - Isk doublers - Mining "permits" - ...and the list goes on
3. On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions - Ship bumping - Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS) - AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend - Verbally abusing & harassing - Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels - Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build - ... and much much more
4. CCP does not believe the above behaviors are wrong, because they fall under their own (indeed very unique) definition of "sandbox"
5. Why would anyone expect Malcanis to be any different from the above? One has to "fit in" in order to survive, even more so to get CSM position.
OHGODLOL [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5661
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:27:00 -
[59] - Quote
Andski wrote:i get it you're Mad about your hulk being blown up repeatedly because you refuse to learn but please don't blame it on anybody but yourself ok? Nomad, bro. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2212
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
All I can say is that it has been a really eventful week in EVE xD Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
978
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:33:00 -
[61] - Quote
seriously, the more I read the thread's OP, the more silly it becomes.
can we get a WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmbulance here?
Alpheias wrote:All I can say is that it has been a really eventful week in EVE xD
nah, you're just seeing things. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Six Six Six
Blood and Decay
187
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:33:00 -
[62] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
I guess that quote comes from the margin trading thread.
He gave his opinion.
He is a bit colourful with some of what he says, I think it's just his style.
He could have still given his opinion of course without the colour - You got scammed and you're now trying to get it declared an exploit.
Adding colour to a statement can seem a bit trollish, but then many of us add colour to what we type as it tends to make a more interesting read at least from an entertainment value point of view. Even CCP add colour to their posts sometimes, GD would be a more boring place without them.
As for this particular quote of his I don't really see much of an issue. |

mama guru
Thundercats The Initiative.
131
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:34:00 -
[63] - Quote
Looser Eto wrote:OK let's see:
1. CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool
2. Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways: - Trade window scams - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) - Numerous contract scams - Isk doublers - Mining "permits" - ...and the list goes on
3. On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions - Ship bumping - Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS) - AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend - Verbally abusing & harassing - Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels - Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build - ... and much much more
4. CCP does not believe the above behaviors are wrong, because they fall under their own (indeed very unique) definition of "sandbox"
5. Why would anyone expect Malcanis to be any different from the above? One has to "fit in" in order to survive, even more so to get CSM position.
Bulllshit. Veterans have better things to do with their time then local scams in jita and ganking stuff in highsec. It's the two year old redditors who cuss and copypaste ASCii penises in local.
Malcanis does not use abusive/foul language or harass anyone. He speaks his mind and is very blunt, something that earned him his spot in on the CSM the first place. Anyone who's been on voicecoms with him knows he is well spoken and thinks stuff through (unless Germans win UEFA or something). ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |

Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
183
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:35:00 -
[64] - Quote
Solaris Ecladia wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) this kind of post is why i voted for him
Malcanis doesn't mince words does he. Love him for that. We have enough brown nosing and PC talk as it is. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10605
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:40:00 -
[65] - Quote
I post within the rules of the forum. If you don't like what I say, you're at liberty to disagree with me (within those same rules). I generally have reasons for holding my opinions though, so make sure you've got some arguments to bring to the game.
If you merely dislike how I say it then I believe there's an ignore function.
NB: I can't say from personal experience how well it works because I've never had my feelings hurt badly enough to need to use it.
1 Kings 12:11
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
961
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:48:00 -
[66] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
You should be happy it's not me answering you, depending on your stupidity level I could even get my self banned from this from despite being CSM.
This guy is cool he was not even getting started to tell you the obvious, just calm down a bit and realize how true he his. Stop acting like a little girl each time someone does not agree with you or just because you over estimate your ability to understand the obvious.
-5/10 because nothing in his comment justifies your butt hurt attitude but 20/10 on the nerd rage side. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Frying Doom
2509
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:50:00 -
[67] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) You should be happy it's not me answering you, depending on your stupidity level I could even get my self banned from this from despite being CSM. This guy is cool he was not even getting started to tell you the obvious, just calm down a bit and realize how true he his. Stop acting like a little girl each time someone does not agree with you or just because you over estimate your ability to understand the obvious. -5/10 because nothing in his comment justifies your butt hurt attitude but 20/10 on the nerd rage side. One of the stupidest replies I have ever read.  Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

First Star Wolf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:53:00 -
[68] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) You should be happy it's not me answering you, depending on your stupidity level I could even get my self banned from this from despite being CSM. This guy is cool he was not even getting started to tell you the obvious, just calm down a bit and realize how true he his. Stop acting like a little girl each time someone does not agree with you or just because you over estimate your ability to understand the obvious. -5/10 because nothing in his comment justifies your butt hurt attitude but 20/10 on the nerd rage side.
1/10 for fail post 20/10 for but hurt reply
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15134
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 08:56:00 -
[69] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:CSM member correctly calls bullshit on an idiot?
I see nothing wrong here.
Move along. This.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1187
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:28:00 -
[70] - Quote
we can say 'bullshit'? i've been using 'horseshit' all this time  |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1187
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:29:00 -
[71] - Quote
will vote malcanis again |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10612
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:34:00 -
[72] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:will vote malcanis again
Nope.
1 Kings 12:11
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1187
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:37:00 -
[73] - Quote
oh mang that's a shame
i should evemail a long, tedious list of my grievances with the game before it's too late |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1615
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:40:00 -
[74] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:will vote malcanis again Nope.
You think you have a choice in the matter? 
You'll be kidnapped by CCP ninjas and subjected to Extraordinary rendition to fufill your CSM duties. Whether you like it or not... Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10613
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:41:00 -
[75] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:oh mang that's a shame
i should evemail a long, tedious list of my grievances with the game before it's too late
If I can reply to Dinsdale's emails, I can reply to yours.
You're best off posting that list in Jita Park where all the CSMs can see it at once though. 14 times the tediousness inflicted for the same effort!
1 Kings 12:11
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Frying Doom
2509
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:42:00 -
[76] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:oh mang that's a shame
i should evemail a long, tedious list of my grievances with the game before it's too late I think the Odyssey feedback thread would cover that...That or the figures on eve-offline.net since the release of Odyssey, compared to the release of Retribution  Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
772
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:45:00 -
[77] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
So you think it's best for a member of the CSM to hide their true feelings? They don't get paid to do this. What now? |

Haramir Haleths
Nutella Bande
14
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:51:00 -
[78] - Quote
Is Bullshit a bad word nowadays ? |

Frying Doom
2509
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:52:00 -
[79] - Quote
Haramir Haleths wrote:Is Bullshit a bad word nowadays ? Yes
If you stand to close to the rear end of the bull.  Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Looser Eto
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:56:00 -
[80] - Quote
Andski wrote:i get it you're Mad about your hulk being blown up repeatedly because you refuse to learn but please don't blame it on anybody but yourself ok?
You are gonna have to try harder to find something to bully me for. I make 3 mil per hour without scamming or harassing any other players. Also I don't mine.
You and the rest of the goons on the other hand are THE carebear of carebears, mining and ratting in your perfectly safe null sec space, charging rent equal to 100mil per POS per month.
|

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
35
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 09:59:00 -
[81] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
Maybe Eve just isn't your game, Ike. I know; Let's have a spelling contest. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
961
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:02:00 -
[82] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) You should be happy it's not me answering you, depending on your stupidity level I could even get my self banned from this from despite being CSM. This guy is cool he was not even getting started to tell you the obvious, just calm down a bit and realize how true he his. Stop acting like a little girl each time someone does not agree with you or just because you over estimate your ability to understand the obvious. -5/10 because nothing in his comment justifies your butt hurt attitude but 20/10 on the nerd rage side. One of the stupidest replies I have ever read. 
Thank you, so much love I like it.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Frying Doom
2510
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:07:00 -
[83] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
You should be happy it's not me answering you, depending on your stupidity level I could even get my self banned from this from despite being CSM.
This guy is cool he was not even getting started to tell you the obvious, just calm down a bit and realize how true he his. Stop acting like a little girl each time someone does not agree with you or just because you over estimate your ability to understand the obvious.
-5/10 because nothing in his comment justifies your butt hurt attitude but 20/10 on the nerd rage side.
One of the stupidest replies I have ever read.  Thank you, so much love I like it. Your welcome...
I was having a laugh at "depending on your stupidity level I could even get my self banned from this from despite being CSM."

People get too serious in this game. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5661
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:11:00 -
[84] - Quote
Looser Eto wrote:You are gonna have to try harder to find something to bully me for. I make 3 mil per hour without scamming or harassing any other players. Also I don't mine. 3 mil per hour? That's pretty terrible.
Looser Eto wrote:You and the rest of the goons on the other hand are THE carebear of carebears, mining and ratting in your perfectly safe null sec space, charging rent equal to 100mil per POS per month. I don't even know where to begin with this sentence, it's just wrong on so many accounts. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
309
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:16:00 -
[85] - Quote
Looser Eto wrote:OK let's see:
2. Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways: - Trade window scams - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) - Numerous contract scams - Isk doublers - Mining "permits" - ...and the list goes on
.
Can I get a citation for the above dear Sir?
|

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
962
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:21:00 -
[86] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
You should be happy it's not me answering you, depending on your stupidity level I could even get my self banned from this from despite being CSM.
This guy is cool he was not even getting started to tell you the obvious, just calm down a bit and realize how true he his. Stop acting like a little girl each time someone does not agree with you or just because you over estimate your ability to understand the obvious.
-5/10 because nothing in his comment justifies your butt hurt attitude but 20/10 on the nerd rage side.
One of the stupidest replies I have ever read.  Thank you, so much love I like it. Your welcome... I was having a laugh at "depending on your stupidity level I could even get my self banned from this from despite being CSM."  People get too serious in this game.
Indeed, you finally got it 
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

RaTTuS
BIG Insidious Empire
294
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:24:00 -
[87] - Quote
I think it was a perfectly adequate reaction for the post now go and end yourself http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://imgur.com/nuBlxbC |

Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
85
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:26:00 -
[88] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
You can hear the word "bullshit" pretty often, you only have to go outside for this experience. It is by no means an insult. 
The CSM is not CCP btw so i guess it is ok to express themselves.
|

Trading InJita
Trading In Jita
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:28:00 -
[89] - Quote
So calling someone on their bullshit is now against the EULA? Hell if malcanis runs next year he'll get all 5 of my votes just because he called someone on their bullshit. BTW I have margin trading 4. It's not an exploit. It's very easy to detect a margin scam if you use your brain and get the greed out of your eyes. |

Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
221
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:30:00 -
[90] - Quote
Maybelater Headache wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) You can hear the word "bullshit" pretty often, you only have to go outside for this experience. It is by no means an insult.  The CSM is not CCP btw so i guess it is ok to express themselves.
If they don't express themselves they're not much use as CSM members really |

SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
15
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:35:00 -
[91] - Quote
This makes me really glad I voted for him. Someone calling bullshit on idiots is a vote well spent. |

Trading InJita
Trading In Jita
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:38:00 -
[92] - Quote
Looser Eto wrote:OK let's see:
1. CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool
2. Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways: - Trade window scams - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) - Numerous contract scams - Isk doublers - Mining "permits" - ...and the list goes on
3. On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions - Ship bumping - Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS) - AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend - Verbally abusing & harassing - Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels - Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build - ... and much much more
4. CCP does not believe the above behaviors are wrong, because they fall under their own (indeed very unique) definition of "sandbox"
5. Why would anyone expect Malcanis to be any different from the above? One has to "fit in" in order to survive, even more so to get CSM position.
I'm going to pick this apart, being a veteran player and all. The average newbie doesn't have much isk. I, as a veteran, have much isk. So one with common sense would think "well what's the benefit of someone with much isk taking isk from someone with little isk?" Well you see, it's not really worth my effort. I take advantage of idiots, not noobs. Most veterans actually understand that new players are required to keep this game alive, and are very accommodating to newbies. Willing to teach them, hook them up with free ships (albiet usually fairly cheap ones, but free is free). Ship bumping I partially agree needs some fixes. Namely because it's a warp disruptor without aggression, which can spell death for freighters. As far as all the points in number 3. Welcome to eve.
Edit: Also, just because you declare something an exploit, doesn't make it an exploit. I would agree if there was no way to detect it, no risk involved, etc. However it is very easy to detect by looking at that market history tab. And there is significant risk involved, billions at a time actually. If set up incorrectly a margin scammer can actually get counter scammed. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1231
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 10:47:00 -
[93] - Quote
Solaris Ecladia wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) this kind of post is why i voted for him
Me too. Directt and to the point and honest. No whitewashing of facts needed. Keep up the honesty, Malcanis o7
Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
405
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 11:21:00 -
[94] - Quote
OP, if the use of the word "bullshit" is where you draw the line, you are going to encounter difficulties in EVE Online.
Yeesh, though. Malcanis has managed to harvest more tears with one sentence than I have in the last week of interstellar buggery I normally engage in. Hell I got thanked by the last guy I ransomed. Going to have to run for CSM at this rate. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
349
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 11:24:00 -
[95] - Quote
A thread like a wormhole... One moment you think something like this couldn't possibly exist, next you know: There it is!
CSM have to sign an NDA not to reveal interna CCP is working on etc.
I haven't read anywhere yet that they are also forced to turn into choir boys with no opinion...
Also "BS"? Really? So offensive? I call BS! Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE YouTube Vids (most recent): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2alSWxXQbI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEzNNYSlDE |

ImmutableDark
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
30
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 11:26:00 -
[96] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
I think he represents the Eve community well when he's being a stupid *******. Elite Forum Warrior. |

J'Poll
Phoibe Enterprises
2348
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 11:27:00 -
[97] - Quote
And this is why I voted for Malcanis. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |

Catastrophe Bloom
MUSE Apprenticeship Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 11:30:00 -
[98] - Quote
It's interesting how when someone gets offended they find excuses to hold others to a "higher moral standard".
I leave you with my dubious portrait. Good day, sir. |

Shun Makoto
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
16
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 11:32:00 -
[99] - Quote
He's a player, just like any of us. Do I expect a bit more decorum from the CSM? Perhaps
Do I expect him not to act like a EVE Online player? Not at all. Caldari Independant Navy Reserve Fourth District Patriot Faction Former 22nd BRDU - Retired Milita Wing Commander
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
164
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 11:36:00 -
[100] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:... I won't be bothering to post something about you using the term bullshit for the very reason you are just some regular old joe-blow poster but CSM Malcanis has an official game recognized title and needs to be held to a higher standard. The standards of CSM is a non-disclosure pact with CCP.... other than that... I don't think there are any mandatory standards.
The following was not Malcanis.
Earlier this year one of the members of this CSM scammed some members out of their Corp using this phrase: ``why wouldnt you trust me im a CSM, I`m not allowed to take part in theft or scam, as I would lose my position``
This is allowed. They are not your representatives, they are not looking out for you, and they have no obligation to be or do anything related to the player base.
I voted for Malcanis because he is knowledgable and he says what is on his mind. He has spoken of his vision for the game and will push for those vision when CCP get their odd ideas. The CSM is there to protect the game. IMO
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:07:00 -
[101] - Quote
Budrick3 wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents.
I thought CSM's were suppose to represent the players when they met with CCP...
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
164
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:11:00 -
[102] - Quote
Inokuma Yawara wrote: I thought CSM's were suppose to represent the players when they met with CCP...
Why would you expect a member of the Goonswarm to represent the players... other than his Alliance?
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Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
192
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:13:00 -
[103] - Quote
Well, Malcanis was pretty clear with his post. I would prefer to have a clear, concise answer than some rambling bit of babble trying to get the point across while bending over backwards to not offend anyone.
Since I voted for him, I believe he is representing me just fine. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
544
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:14:00 -
[104] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
Bullshit. You missed the fact Malcanis posted like that before getting elected and now try to get him declared a bad poster even after we elected him as a representative knowing full well how he would represent us. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:16:00 -
[105] - Quote
Solaris Ecladia wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) this kind of post is why i voted for him
It's why I have him on ignore. 23 year-old that still lives in a 13 year-old world, with the same attitude and lack of wisdom.
And your upvotes show how the CSM is so wrong for EvE, as it turns a game into a Facebook popularity contest. CSMs have no real power in itself, and CCP just gets a messed up game in the process, as dinosaurs refuse to change. Defeats why the CSMs were concepted, and hurts CCP in the end, as the game stagnates. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
433
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:17:00 -
[106] - Quote
Malcanis telling it for what it is and people getting mad over it.
Does being CSM somehow mean they all have to wear suits and end every sentence with the word *sir*? |

RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
212
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:19:00 -
[107] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:TBH he's telling it how he sees it. He's not one to mince words on idiots, which is one of the reasons he topped my ballot.
Next he will be telling dumb players to kill themselves isnt that the standard CSM comment.
Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
544
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:20:00 -
[108] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Inokuma Yawara wrote: I thought CSM's were suppose to represent the players when they met with CCP...
Why would you expect a member of the Goonswarm to represent the players... other than his Alliance?
He's not in Goonswarm... |

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
433
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:21:00 -
[109] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Inokuma Yawara wrote: I thought CSM's were suppose to represent the players when they met with CCP...
Why would you expect a member of the Goonswarm to represent the players... other than his Alliance? He's not in Goonswarm...
But....But isnt everyone from nullsec in Goonswarm? :/
Youre just trying to confuse me!
GET OUT OF MY HEAD, MITTENMAN! |

Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
235
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:21:00 -
[110] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
Wait, do you object to his point re: game mechanic/exploit or his language?
If the second ... I don't get why some people attribute magical power to words. Really, no harm was done. Move along.
If the first, he was correct. This is no exploit. Move along. |

Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
27
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:22:00 -
[111] - Quote
BULLSHIT OP! |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:24:00 -
[112] - Quote
KuroVolt wrote:Malcanis telling it for what it is and people getting mad over it.
Does being CSM somehow mean they all have to wear suits and end every sentence with the word *sir*?
Someone claimed the average age in EvE of it's players is 38 years-old (I'm closer to 50).
Mal is 23, and acts everything like that 13 year-old cousin that visits, that you want to leave like yesterday.
Which shows even on the behavioral level, he's not suited for the job.
And adults don't prefer kids telling them what to do, especially if they're this unwise.
23 year-old competent guy, sure. Someone who has the social skillset to actually be a politician. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
433
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:25:00 -
[113] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Someone who has the social skillset to actually be a politician.
But I dont like politicians.
So as a player, Id rather be represented by someone who doesnt act like one |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10626
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:26:00 -
[114] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: I voted for Malcanis because he is knowledgable and he says what is on his mind. He has spoken of his vision for the game and will push for those vision when CCP get their odd ideas. The CSM is there to protect the game. IMO
Actually that part has been a bit disappointing. The CCP people we've been dealing with are irritatingly unwilling to come up with horrible ideas for me to hate on.
Luckily, there's always the EVE-forums!
1 Kings 12:11
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
405
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:27:00 -
[115] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:KuroVolt wrote:Malcanis telling it for what it is and people getting mad over it.
Does being CSM somehow mean they all have to wear suits and end every sentence with the word *sir*? Someone claimed the average age in EvE of it's players is 38 years-old (I'm closer to 50). Mal is 23, and acts everything like that 13 year-old cousin that visits, that you want to leave like yesterday. Which shows even on the behavioral level, he's not suited for the job. And adults don't prefer kids telling them what to do, especially if they're this unwise. 23 year-old competent guy, sure. Someone who has the social skillset to actually be a politician.
*sigh* As usual, you are wrong as hell.
Malcanis is good at EVE Online, and has a very good understanding of the game. You are neither.
Furthermore, it's not a job. He doesn't get paid, he wasn't even the chairman.
And, as to your age prejudice... A good idea is a good idea, no matter who it comes from. I pride myself on my intellectual honesty, so if a "kid" (you can replace "kid" with any racial slur to if you like) told me something worthwhile, I'll listen. I don't filter content based on who it comes from, that is just bigotry. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10626
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:28:00 -
[116] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:KuroVolt wrote:Malcanis telling it for what it is and people getting mad over it.
Does being CSM somehow mean they all have to wear suits and end every sentence with the word *sir*? Someone claimed the average age in EvE of it's players is 38 years-old (I'm closer to 50). Mal is 23, and acts everything like that 13 year-old cousin that visits, that you want to leave like yesterday. Which shows even on the behavioral level, he's not suited for the job. And adults don't prefer kids telling them what to do, especially if they're this unwise. 23 year-old competent guy, sure. Someone who has the social skillset to actually be a politician.
I'm 41, and I'm no politician. I disclaimed any intention to run for re-election in my campaign thread, and I ran on a platform of being exactly who I am, take it or leave it.
1 Kings 12:11
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:29:00 -
[117] - Quote
Aside from the profanity, I don't see anything wrong with his statement. He's making an assertion about a player that will not admit that he/she has been snookered properly and within normal operating conditions.
Although, I wonder... If any of us regular players said, "Bullshit" or used any other profane words within our posts, even when making valid points, will our threads get locked for cause? If so, then it is inappropriate for him to use profane language in his posts because it is a forum rules violation. He should not get any special perks or treatment and be allowed to use such words when the rest of us cannot.
However, if it ain't against the rules to say "Bullshit" in a thread post, then where's the problem?
So, is it against the rules, or is it not against the rules? Referee? The rule book, please. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:29:00 -
[118] - Quote
KuroVolt wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Someone who has the social skillset to actually be a politician. But I dont like politicians. So as a player, Id rather be represented by someone who doesnt act like one
CSMs are politicians. Don't like them, don't vote them in.  "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10626
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:30:00 -
[119] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Inokuma Yawara wrote: I thought CSM's were suppose to represent the players when they met with CCP...
Why would you expect a member of the Goonswarm to represent the players... other than his Alliance?
Why indeed.
1 Kings 12:11
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Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
27
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:31:00 -
[120] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote: Which shows even on the behavioral level, he's not suited for the job.
Its not imo a job as such. Its an unpaid position voted for by his peers who im pretty sure are adult enough for someone to say something is bullshit without giving 2 bullshits about.
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
164
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:38:00 -
[121] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Inokuma Yawara wrote: I thought CSM's were suppose to represent the players when they met with CCP...
Why would you expect a member of the Goonswarm to represent the players... other than his Alliance? He's not in Goonswarm... I know, but if the concept is CSM is suppose to represent the players... wouldn't that also apply to other CSM members? mynnna
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
164
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:39:00 -
[122] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:... You missed the fact Malcanis posted like that before getting elected and now try to get him declared a bad poster even after we elected him as a representative knowing full well how he would represent us. The election changed nothing about Malcanis... which is great and what I hoped for.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:40:00 -
[123] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Bullshit. You missed the fact Malcanis posted like that before getting elected and now try to get him declared a bad poster even after we elected him as a representative knowing full well how he would represent us.
Not "we".
Would never vote any person in a position of authority who is this unwise to use it.
I treat EvE like an utility. I pay my monthly bill and expect the service that the utility provides. It's not paying a bill to watch a kid pull down his drawers and moon the community, like a 2 year-old still in diapers (diapers that long needed changing). For that I can just watch it on YouTube, without a monthly charge, or see the tomfoolery called "CSM". "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
312
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:40:00 -
[124] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
yea Malcanis is doing it over and over again, I had the pleasure of him insulting me as well, he also likes to make fun about others especially new players, that guy should be removed, not sure why he made it to become CSM anyway, guess its because all douchebags in the game need someone to vote for as well... OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
164
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:40:00 -
[125] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: I voted for Malcanis because he is knowledgable and he says what is on his mind. He has spoken of his vision for the game and will push for those vision when CCP get their odd ideas. The CSM is there to protect the game. IMO
Actually that part has been a bit disappointing. The CCP people we've been dealing with are irritatingly unwilling to come up with horrible ideas for me to hate on. Luckily, there's always the EVE-forums!
 |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
545
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:41:00 -
[126] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Inokuma Yawara wrote: I thought CSM's were suppose to represent the players when they met with CCP...
Why would you expect a member of the Goonswarm to represent the players... other than his Alliance? He's not in Goonswarm... I know, but if the concept is CSM is suppose to represent the players... wouldn't that also apply to other CSM members? mynnna
The majority of people who got elected for this CSM are not in Goonswarm. They represent thier player because they got elected by these same players. It's nobody's fault but themself if a shitload of pubbies didn't vote or find a candidate that could represent them and vote strongly for him/her. |

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
434
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:42:00 -
[127] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop) yea Malcanis is doing it over and over again, had the pleasure of insulting me as well, he also likes to make fun about others especially new players, that guy should be removed, not sure why he made it to become CSM anyway, guess its because all douchebags in the game need someone to vote for as well
You see OP?
You have Harry Forever on your side.
At this point you should really backtrack and figure out where it all went so wrong. |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
164
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:43:00 -
[128] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Would never vote any person in a position of authority who is this unwise to use it.
Authority? What power do you think he has?
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
545
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:45:00 -
[129] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Bullshit. You missed the fact Malcanis posted like that before getting elected and now try to get him declared a bad poster even after we elected him as a representative knowing full well how he would represent us. Not "we". Would never vote any person in a position of authority who is this unwise to use it. I treat EvE like an utility. I pay my monthly bill and expect the service that the utility provides. It's not paying a bill to watch a kid pull down his drawers and moon the community, like a 2 year-old still in diapers (diapers that long needed changing). For that I can just watch it on YouTube, without a monthly charge, or see the tomfoolery called "CSM".
WE elected him as a whole because the playerbase were the voters. He got enough vote to be elected wich mean the playerbase wanted him. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
545
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:47:00 -
[130] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:
Would never vote any person in a position of authority who is this unwise to use it.
Authority? What power do you think he has?
Well I guess he has enough to make people e-rage at the little icon on his portrait... |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
164
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:49:00 -
[131] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote: The majority of people who got elected for this CSM are not in Goonswarm. They represent thier player because they got elected by these same players. It's nobody's fault but themself if a shitload of pubbies didn't vote or find a candidate that could represent them and vote strongly for him/her.
Again, it is the concept that the represent the players... they don't; and there is no requirement that they do. They are players CCP interact with directly. Just players.
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
164
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:50:00 -
[132] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Well I guess he has enough to make people e-rage at the little icon on his portrait...
You underestimate him... he was doing that before he had that little icon. ;)
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
554
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Posted - 2013.07.09 12:51:00 -
[133] - Quote
OP definitely needs to lighten up a bit. I mean, what's wrong with a CSM voicing his opinion? He is a player just like you and I, and he has a right to voice his opinion in any means he sees fit. As I said OP, lighten up. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
312
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:51:00 -
[134] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:KuroVolt wrote:Malcanis telling it for what it is and people getting mad over it.
Does being CSM somehow mean they all have to wear suits and end every sentence with the word *sir*? Someone claimed the average age in EvE of it's players is 38 years-old (I'm closer to 50). Mal is 23, and acts everything like that 13 year-old cousin that visits, that you want to leave like yesterday. Which shows even on the behavioral level, he's not suited for the job. And adults don't prefer kids telling them what to do, especially if they're this unwise. 23 year-old competent guy, sure. Someone who has the social skillset to actually be a politician. I'm 41, and I'm no politician. I disclaimed any intention to run for re-election in my campaign thread, and I ran on a platform of being exactly who I am, take it or leave it.
yea please leave Malcanis you are just wrong for that position, and you give other jounger players the wrong impression how to act in forums and in the game, you are one reason this is such an unpolite environement OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
545
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:52:00 -
[135] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: The majority of people who got elected for this CSM are not in Goonswarm. They represent thier player because they got elected by these same players. It's nobody's fault but themself if a shitload of pubbies didn't vote or find a candidate that could represent them and vote strongly for him/her.
Again, it is the concept that the represent the players... they don't; and there is no requirement that they do. They are players CCP interact with directly. Just players.
If the playerbase though they would not be correctly be represented by these, they should of voted for others or run for CSM themself. The whole point of the election is just that. |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
164
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:54:00 -
[136] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:...WE elected him as a whole because the playerbase were the voters. He got enough vote to be elected wich mean the playerbase wanted him. Wanted him for what?
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
545
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:54:00 -
[137] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:KuroVolt wrote:Malcanis telling it for what it is and people getting mad over it.
Does being CSM somehow mean they all have to wear suits and end every sentence with the word *sir*? Someone claimed the average age in EvE of it's players is 38 years-old (I'm closer to 50). Mal is 23, and acts everything like that 13 year-old cousin that visits, that you want to leave like yesterday. Which shows even on the behavioral level, he's not suited for the job. And adults don't prefer kids telling them what to do, especially if they're this unwise. 23 year-old competent guy, sure. Someone who has the social skillset to actually be a politician. I'm 41, and I'm no politician. I disclaimed any intention to run for re-election in my campaign thread, and I ran on a platform of being exactly who I am, take it or leave it. yea please leave Malcanis you are just wrong for that position, and you give other jounger players the wrong impression how to act in forums and in the game, you are one reason this is such an unpolite environement
He will, when the next election comes. In the meantime, deal with it. |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
165
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Posted - 2013.07.09 12:56:00 -
[138] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote: If the playerbase though they would not be correctly be represented by these, they should of voted for others or run for CSM themself. The whole point of the election is just that.
Where did you come by that? There is no requirement that they represent the players.... none.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10631
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Posted - 2013.07.09 12:58:00 -
[139] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:KuroVolt wrote:Malcanis telling it for what it is and people getting mad over it.
Does being CSM somehow mean they all have to wear suits and end every sentence with the word *sir*? Someone claimed the average age in EvE of it's players is 38 years-old (I'm closer to 50). Mal is 23, and acts everything like that 13 year-old cousin that visits, that you want to leave like yesterday. Which shows even on the behavioral level, he's not suited for the job. And adults don't prefer kids telling them what to do, especially if they're this unwise. 23 year-old competent guy, sure. Someone who has the social skillset to actually be a politician. I'm 41, and I'm no politician. I disclaimed any intention to run for re-election in my campaign thread, and I ran on a platform of being exactly who I am, take it or leave it. yea please leave Malcanis, you are just wrong for that position, and you give other jounger players the wrong impression how to act in forums and in the game, you are one reason this is such an unpolite environement
Did you vote?
1 Kings 12:11
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
546
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Posted - 2013.07.09 12:58:00 -
[140] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:...WE elected him as a whole because the playerbase were the voters. He got enough vote to be elected wich mean the playerbase wanted him. Wanted him for what?
For a representative on the CSM. Ya know, the whole reason why the election happen, so the players can choose who will represent them in front of CCP? |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 12:58:00 -
[141] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:WE elected him as a whole because the playerbase were the voters. He got enough vote to be elected wich mean the playerbase wanted him.
Not me, so don't add me to that equation.
I don't support broken systems. I also don't support things that's detrimental to a game, either.
I pay to have the best, not throw money away. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
546
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:00:00 -
[142] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: If the playerbase though they would not be correctly be represented by these, they should of voted for others or run for CSM themself. The whole point of the election is just that.
Where did you come by that? There is no requirement that they represent the players.... none.
Of course we can't force them to represent us but we ahve the power to put others in thier place if we think they won't. Just like when I vote for federal or provincial election where I live. The guys I am voting for is the one I think will represent me the best. If he does not, them I am free to vote someone else next election. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
406
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:01:00 -
[143] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:WE elected him as a whole because the playerbase were the voters. He got enough vote to be elected wich mean the playerbase wanted him. Not me, so don't add me to that equation. I don't support broken systems. I also don't support things that's detrimental to a game, either. I pay to have the best, not throw money away.
Says the person who almost never stops talking about WoW... Yeah, you pay to have the best alright.  Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

DED Capsuleer
DED Drug Enforcement Department
3
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:03:00 -
[144] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:WE elected him as a whole because the playerbase were the voters. He got enough vote to be elected wich mean the playerbase wanted him. Not me, so don't add me to that equation. I don't support broken systems. I also don't support things that's detrimental to a game, either. I pay to have the best, not throw money away. Obviously the CSM member you voted for is doing a bullshit job, don't blame those who are representing their voters just fine. |

Mytai Gengod
Sebees
38
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:05:00 -
[145] - Quote
I completely agree. There are a number of veteran posters here that, while they can be helpful, nearly every posts now days are dripping with bitter sarcasm and disdain for any newer player questions and suggestions.
I understand many of these newer player comments and suggestions have been posted repeatedly, but if it bothers you that much, just don't comment. No one really wants to read your condescending posts, even if you end up being accidentally helpful. Take a break or a xanax or something. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
546
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:05:00 -
[146] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:WE elected him as a whole because the playerbase were the voters. He got enough vote to be elected wich mean the playerbase wanted him. Not me, so don't add me to that equation. I don't support broken systems. I also don't support things that's detrimental to a game, either. I pay to have the best, not throw money away.
You are being stupid. You had all the power available to you to prevent his election so by not accomplishing that goal, you participated in his election. If you wanted someone else as a representative, it was YOUR job to work toward the election of other candidates. If you didn't vote like I suspect you did, you made his election that much easyer.
And if you didn't vote, STFU. You enver bought your right to ***** about the people who got elected. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:06:00 -
[147] - Quote
DED Capsuleer wrote:Obviously the CSM member you voted for is doing a bullshit job, don't blame those who are representing their voters just fine.
In RL, I've been voting since I was 17. In EvE, I will never vote for a system that's even worse than the US two party politics. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
546
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:07:00 -
[148] - Quote
Mytai Gengod wrote:I completely agree. There are a number of veteran posters here that, while they can be helpful, nearly every posts now days are dripping with bitter sarcasm and disdain for any newer player questions and suggestions.
I understand many of these newer player comments and suggestions have been posted repeatedly, but if it bothers you that much, just don't comment. No one really wants to read your condescending posts, even if you end up being accidentally helpful. Take a break or a xanax or something.
Or the newbs getting ripped appart could use the search function... Cuz that damn exploit BS thread dosen't come every other week right? |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:09:00 -
[149] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:You are being stupid.
Nope...wiser.
Frostys Virpio wrote:You had all the power available
What power again? CSMs have zero power. No gaming company is so foolish to let the mob run it.
It's a show piece for ePeeners...and we see by how much too! "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
546
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:09:00 -
[150] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:DED Capsuleer wrote:Obviously the CSM member you voted for is doing a bullshit job, don't blame those who are representing their voters just fine. In RL, I've been voting since I was 17. In EvE, I will never vote for a system that's even worse than the US two party politics.
"I didn't use any of the power I had to select my representative but I'm gonna ***** about the one I got."
Great way of thinking. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
546
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:13:00 -
[151] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:You are being stupid. Nope...wiser. Frostys Virpio wrote:You had all the power available What power again? CSMs have zero power. No gaming company is so foolish to let the mob run it. It's a show piece for ePeeners...and we see by how much too!
Continue beliving that. In the meantime, we will get changes to the game that makes sense and make it better instead of a bunch of pubbies' ideas that would break it.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10632
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:14:00 -
[152] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:You are being stupid. Nope...wiser. Frostys Virpio wrote:You had all the power available What power again? CSMs have zero power. No gaming company is so foolish to let the mob run it. It's a show piece for ePeeners...and we see by how much too!
Keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
We'll be over here, getting stuff done.
1 Kings 12:11
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
165
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:18:00 -
[153] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote: For a representative on the CSM. Ya know, the whole reason why the election happen, so the players can choose who will represent them in front of CCP?
Again this represent word?
Has your representative asked you your opinion or views on any issue? Have the CSM as a whole polled the player base on what they want? Did they come to the player with changes CCP was thinking of making and getting our opinion? I see no representation at all in CSM.
For me, I voted for Technical Experts to interface with CCP. Ones I felt were either knowledgeable or brought something to the table. I would have voted for mynnna (Goonswarm and evil of course), if I didn't already believe they were a lock. In game Mynnna would destroy my ships, take all my ISK, and the probably find some way to erase my skill points, but... he knows part of this game that very few do. In his area he is an expert.
He sure doesn't represent me. |

Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:20:00 -
[154] - Quote
Am I misunderstanding something here? So someone gets scammed and calls it an exploit. Pages fill with vet players and a couple of CSMs, including the one in question, explaining to the OP that it is in fact, NOT an exploit. OP continues to say it is over and over again, even after a Dev comes in and makes it crystal clear he is wrong and that it is NOT an exploit period. Said CSM, rather than elaborate in a thread already filled with elaborate explanations, cuts to the chase.
Meanwhile:
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Q 5 wrote:Geez it's only a small infraction let's not rip the mans balls for being human...you chimps sit down and have a banana  Had this been his first such post then perhaps I can see your point but if you are a regular forum reader you will see such postings by him repeatedly. And no I'm not going to search the entirety of every thread in every forum looking for past examples of such behavior.
You start a thread calling for someone's JOB and aren't even willing to offer any justification for it beyond not liking his posting style? This is silly.
Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets. Gen. George S. Patton |

Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:20:00 -
[155] - Quote
no cussing pls |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
312
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:22:00 -
[156] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:KuroVolt wrote:Malcanis telling it for what it is and people getting mad over it.
Does being CSM somehow mean they all have to wear suits and end every sentence with the word *sir*? Someone claimed the average age in EvE of it's players is 38 years-old (I'm closer to 50). Mal is 23, and acts everything like that 13 year-old cousin that visits, that you want to leave like yesterday. Which shows even on the behavioral level, he's not suited for the job. And adults don't prefer kids telling them what to do, especially if they're this unwise. 23 year-old competent guy, sure. Someone who has the social skillset to actually be a politician. I'm 41, and I'm no politician. I disclaimed any intention to run for re-election in my campaign thread, and I ran on a platform of being exactly who I am, take it or leave it. yea please leave Malcanis, you are just wrong for that position, and you give other jounger players the wrong impression how to act in forums and in the game, you are one reason this is such an unpolite environement Did you vote?
its easy to bullshit around and have some kids vote for you, its much harder to achieve something meaningful with integrity OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10634
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:25:00 -
[157] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: For a representative on the CSM. Ya know, the whole reason why the election happen, so the players can choose who will represent them in front of CCP?
Again this represent word? Has your representative asked you your opinion or views on any issue? Have the CSM as a whole polled the player base on what they want? Did they come to the player with changes CCP was thinking of making and getting our opinion? I see no representation at all in CSM. For me, I voted for Technical Experts to interface with CCP. Ones I felt were either knowledgeable or brought something to the table. I would have voted for mynnna (Goonswarm and evil of course), if I didn't already believe they were a lock. In game Mynnna would destroy my ships, take all my ISK, and the probably find some way to erase my skill points, but... he knows part of this game that very few do. In his area he is an expert. He sure doesn't represent me.
Perhaps it could be said that I represent my conception of your (the playerbase's) interests as a whole. That doesn't necessarily include the specific views of any one player.
Since I laid out my conception of that interest in considerable detail in my campaign thread, I think it would be a reasonable inference to make that those who voted for me did so because they generally agreed with that conception and decided that I would be the best (or second best or third best, but at least somewhere, given that it was an STV) person to advocate for their interests to CCP.
Perhaps there are people who voted for me who believe in PvP-flags for hi-sec and banning scams and so on. If so, they chose poorly. Indeed, I actively advised several people not to vote on me on that basis (I told you I was no politician)
1 Kings 12:11
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Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
303
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:26:00 -
[158] - Quote
Looser Eto wrote:OK let's see:
1. CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool
2. Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways: - Trade window scams - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) - Numerous contract scams - Isk doublers - Mining "permits" - ...and the list goes on
3. On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions - Ship bumping - Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS) - AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend - Verbally abusing & harassing - Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels - Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build - ... and much much more
.... Let's see indeed: I am a veteran and I have voted for Malcanis. Yet I have done nothing of the above.
I call bullshit on these alleged facts.
Also:
Looser Eto wrote: - Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really)
Not an exploit.
Looser Eto wrote: - Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS)
Not abusing mechanics.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10637
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:26:00 -
[159] - Quote
However at no point in my campaign (or at any other time) did I undertake to be nice to people who come to the community with bad ideas that would damage the game just because they couldn't accept that they'd been outplayed by another player.
Not calling bullshit on posts like that would be a betrayal of the people who voted for me.
1 Kings 12:11
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
493

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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:27:00 -
[160] - Quote
Moving this thread to Jita Park.
Also, as the person in charge of the CSM, if you feel that a CSM member has violated the EULA/TOS/NDA or has been particularly offensive in their communication with the player base, feel free to EVE Mail me. I should warn you, however, that I am of a firm belief that CCP selectively excluding CSM's based on their opinions and attitudes is potentially extremely harmful to the institution, and that I will typically only exclude CSM members in the most clear cut of cases. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
546
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:27:00 -
[161] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: For a representative on the CSM. Ya know, the whole reason why the election happen, so the players can choose who will represent them in front of CCP?
Again this represent word? Has your representative asked you your opinion or views on any issue? Have the CSM as a whole polled the player base on what they want? Did they come to the player with changes CCP was thinking of making and getting our opinion? I see no representation at all in CSM. For me, I voted for Technical Experts to interface with CCP. Ones I felt were either knowledgeable or brought something to the table. I would have voted for mynnna (Goonswarm and evil of course), if I didn't already believe they were a lock. In game Mynnna would destroy my ships, take all my ISK, and the probably find some way to erase my skill points, but... he knows part of this game that very few do. In his area he is an expert. He sure doesn't represent me.
Anyone who got elected had a platform. Thats where you had to go to see if they would represent you. If thier ideas were similar to your and in line with what you wanted, you should vote for them. If not, pick someone else.
If nobody's platform was representative of what you wanted, then you should of built your own and run for election. If it was representative of enough toher players, you would of gotten elected. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4344
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:28:00 -
[162] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:CSM White Paper wrote:CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway.  I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set.
If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
35
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:29:00 -
[163] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:DED Capsuleer wrote:Obviously the CSM member you voted for is doing a bullshit job, don't blame those who are representing their voters just fine. In RL, I've been voting since I was 17. In EvE, I will never vote for a system that's even worse than the US two party politics.
Wow eight pages of this ****?
Seriously, if the US system is so bad, you can find plenty of totalitarian utopias to move to. Two parties is bullshit, one party - best party. |

Frying Doom
2511
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:33:00 -
[164] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:CSM White Paper wrote:CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway.  I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set. If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community. Another wonderful example of Bullshit.
Have you considered running for the CSM or any political office. You would fit in well.  Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:33:00 -
[165] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Continue beliving that. In the meantime, we will get changes to the game that makes sense and make it better instead of a bunch of pubbies' ideas that would break it.
Ah, "pubbies"....
Goons and their diseases.
Can't do it in WoW (Blizzard knows all about this junk to allow it), but spread it 4 channel style in EvE, instead.
BTW, how does it feel to deplete everything, and bank on it refilling your coffers again?
Have to dig deeper Goons to impact the rest of the game -- and Mitt will have to work 2 jobs to sink that amount of cash in game -- because you won't affect the bottom line. That becomes affected, the casino owner changes the rules again, and no toothless CSMs can change that bottom line.
Adults learn that wisdom is the better teacher, not intelligence and rote game play. Goons are a one trick pony, and games can't remain or become stagnant. Dinosaurs are meant to become extinct, you know? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
407
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:38:00 -
[166] - Quote
Quote:Adults learn that wisdom is the better teacher, not intelligence
This explains so much. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:38:00 -
[167] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:CSM White Paper wrote:CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway.  I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set. If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community.
That level of truth can be said in a manner that is above douchebaggery.
Only kids without the social skills can't speak to a community lesser than a douche. That drill sergeant didn't get to be a drill sergeant due to his screaming, its due to his LEADERSHIP abilities. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
298
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:45:00 -
[168] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:You had all the power available What power again? CSMs have zero power. No gaming company is so foolish to let the mob run it. It's a show piece for ePeeners...and we see by how much too! Keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. We'll be over here, getting stuff done. On a side note, casually "watching" the CSM over the years has given me a mixed reaction into how much power they possess. When something great is added to the game, past CSM members were standing proud, stating they worked with CCP hand-in-hand to get this addition done right. Yet if there is a fiasco episode, much less a change that is not generally accepted by the masses, past CSM members were stating they have no power to change CCP from doing what CCP wants to do and they are but an advisory group at best.
I understand people would want to use the CSM as scapegoats when things do not go their way. But at the same time, the CSM as a whole should accept the criticism if they want to accept the accolades - not dance around to suit their purpose.
Just my thoughts. |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
35
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:46:00 -
[169] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:CSM White Paper wrote:CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway.  I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set. If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community. Only kids without the social skills can't speak to a community lesser than a douche.
Bullshit
BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children! |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4344
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 13:49:00 -
[170] - Quote
Quote:I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set.
If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community.
Quote:That drill sergeant didn't get to be a drill sergeant due to his screaming, its due to his LEADERSHIP abilities.
Thank you for so eloquently proving my point Ace.  To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 14:07:00 -
[171] - Quote
Manfred Hideous wrote:Bullshit
BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children!
Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not.
You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander.
Experience counts, and knowing the difference. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
389
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Posted - 2013.07.09 14:08:00 -
[172] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Thank you for so eloquently proving my point Ace. 
When they show actual leadership, you have a point.  "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2961
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Posted - 2013.07.09 14:20:00 -
[173] - Quote
Budrick3 wrote:Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents. Malcanis does not represent CCP. He is not a CCP employee or contractor.
Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots. On CSM, masochism is not an option -- it's a requirement! |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
35
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 14:37:00 -
[174] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Manfred Hideous wrote:Bullshit
BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children! Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not. You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander. Experience counts, and knowing the difference.
LOL. You don't appear to know the meaning of those words you're using.
By saying bullshit, he was saying "I strongly disagree with your claim' albeit in much more laconic terms. If anything, his use of the language was like tightly written code and a beauty to behold. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
390
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 15:07:00 -
[175] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Budrick3 wrote:Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents. Malcanis does not represent CCP. He is not a CCP employee or contractor. Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots.
Game with 500k accounts, how many of the "vast majority" even voted in itself? I didn't. Didn't take but less than 30 minutes reading not only the applicants platforms, it's history to see this toothless monster doesn't even have dentures!
And on top of it, a guy above hit the nail on the head about CSM for leadership: they are around to promote themselves over popular features, but when they show up for unpopular features that may even make players physically sick, their "leadership" is to support the very feature that can make people sick.
That's not leadership. That's self-promotion. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
390
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 15:10:00 -
[176] - Quote
Manfred Hideous wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Manfred Hideous wrote:Bullshit
BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children! Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not. You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander. Experience counts, and knowing the difference. LOL. You don't appear to know the meaning of those words you're using. By saying bullshit, he was saying "I strongly disagree with your claim' albeit in much more laconic terms. If anything, his use of the language was like tightly written code and a beauty to behold.
Half the time the people posting don't even bother to read what they're commenting about before posting, this is an example of that half. ^ "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
35
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 15:46:00 -
[177] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Manfred Hideous wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Manfred Hideous wrote:Bullshit
BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children! Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not. You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander. Experience counts, and knowing the difference. LOL. You don't appear to know the meaning of those words you're using. By saying bullshit, he was saying "I strongly disagree with your claim' albeit in much more laconic terms. If anything, his use of the language was like tightly written code and a beauty to behold. Half the time the people posting don't even bother to read what they're commenting about before posting, this is an example of that half. ^ 
I don't blame you for not bothering to read my comment. There's probably another word in there that you didn't understand.  |

Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1249
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 16:33:00 -
[178] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you vote? its easy to bullshit around and have some kids vote for you, its much harder to achieve something meaningful with integrity I take that as a no. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |

Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1249
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 16:37:00 -
[179] - Quote
I have had my differences with CSM Malcanis, but he is doing what I expected of him, which is why he got all my votes.
@OP the game need not cater to every new player that thinks the game need "Change X and Y but don't forget to change Z also because that would make the game so cool!!!1111"
You have a privilege of an open forums where the game developers read ideas and I have seen some come to fruition. This can be taken away at there whim.
Oh and just for good measure: Bullshit! Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5662
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 16:52:00 -
[180] - Quote
Inokuma Yawara wrote:Aside from the profanity, I don't see anything wrong with his statement. He's making an assertion about a player that will not admit that he/she has been snookered properly and within normal operating conditions.
Although, I wonder... If any of us regular players said, "Bullshit" or used any other profane words within our posts, even when making valid points, will our threads get locked for cause? If so, then it is inappropriate for him to use profane language in his posts because it is a forum rules violation. He should not get any special perks or treatment and be allowed to use such words when the rest of us cannot.
However, if it ain't against the rules to say "Bullshit" in a thread post, then where's the problem?
So, is it against the rules, or is it not against the rules? Referee? The rule book, please. I've said it more than a few times myself, and I don't recall ever getting a thread locked or getting banned because of it. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |

Mike Azariah
Gallente Benevolence Association
396
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 17:15:00 -
[181] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Budrick3 wrote:Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents. Malcanis does not represent CCP. He is not a CCP employee or contractor. Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots.
In case Treb used words too big for you, let me break it down and add a bit of my own take
1) Malcanis is working and working well in the CSM 2) Aside from some noisy folks who don't like his blunt manner most players like to be told how it is 3) It would be impossible for one player to suit all the styles within Eve. We cannot even TRY to set a common standard 4) We are who we are, if you voted you have some right to complain. If you didn't vote then shut up.
You want polite responses? Some of us do that too. But do not expect all of us to be purity and light.
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10644
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 17:16:00 -
[182] - Quote
Well this little kerfuffle seems to be dying down now. As is my preference, I'll bring some data to the discussion.
1 Kings 12:11
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
166
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 17:20:00 -
[183] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Anyone who got elected had a platform. Thats where you had to go to see if they would represent you. If thier ideas were similar to your and in line with what you wanted, you should vote for them. If not, pick someone else.
If nobody's platform was representative of what you wanted, then you should of built your own and run for election. If it was representative of enough toher players, you would of gotten elected.
Sure they had a platform, but in fact... they are not CCP. Every member of the CSM could support the removal of Highsec, but it would be irrelevant... CCP wants it.
I didn't vote for anyone because I expected their view of Eve to be implemented (it isn't going to be), but because of their knowledge, abilities, passion and character. I voted for Ali Aras not because I did or didn't support her vision of Eve. It was because she quit EvE.. it lacked what she wanted, but she cam back and has passion. She has incite that others don't
Macanis got my attention when during the election I was challenging his view of EvE... at a minimum I was misrepresenting his views... in reality it might be closer to say I was distorting them. He called me out on it and called me a troll. 
During an election looking for votes, he still wasn't going to let anyone get away with that. He was blunt. In protecting the game I believe he would do the same with CCP.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9930
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 17:25:00 -
[184] - Quote
Ah I see the usual suspects have started spewing their mindless drivel. There's the easily offended who see a CSM members blunt and honest comments as an affront. There's the WoW refugee, with an inflated sense of self importance, who wants CCP to follow every other Dev who has tried to compete with Blizzard into oblivion and then there's those who think that the CSM are actually the puppets of Goonswarm.
I've got news for all of the above, the CSM are there improve the game for everyone and to stomp all over stupid ideas such as (notso)microtransactions, the outlawing of ganking, bumping, scamming and the general stupidity of players who believe that Eve should be a clone of every other game out there because....insert amazingly stupid statement about how it would be better. They are not there to pander to your idiotic whims.
TL;DR Don't like the concept of Eve as a cold, harsh game where the merciless and devious are celebrated/ hated, often at the same time by the same people, in equal measure? then find another game that's more to your liking.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4345
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Posted - 2013.07.09 17:45:00 -
[185] - Quote
NO!
I AM MALCANIS!!! To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10648
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 18:14:00 -
[186] - Quote
In case clicking links is hard for anyone who's reading this thread, there are over 6,000 hits for "bullshit" on Eve-search.
But as Homer Simpson once wisely observed: "Those are just facts. You can prove anything with those things"
Your move, Ace 
1 Kings 12:11
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9933
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 18:27:00 -
[187] - Quote
You know he won't read that Malcanis, Ace seems to block anybody who disagrees with his/her world view or that is more coherent. I'm on that list with you, and I consider myself in good company 
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Laserak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 18:28:00 -
[188] - Quote
decorum posting ITT |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
36
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 18:32:00 -
[189] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:In case clicking links is hard for anyone who's reading this thread, there are over 6,000 hits for "bullshit" on Eve-search. But as Homer Simpson once wisely observed: "Those are just facts. You can prove anything with those things" Your move, Ace 
I should feel badly for how many of those first page hits were my own bullshit. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2004
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 19:52:00 -
[190] - Quote
I just came here to post the word 'Bullshit'. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10654
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 20:13:00 -
[191] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:I just came here to post the word 'Bullshit'.
bandwaggoner!
1 Kings 12:11
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2005
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 20:16:00 -
[192] - Quote
I believe that it was progodlegend who invented the word anyway. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
415
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 20:21:00 -
[193] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You know he won't read that Malcanis, Ace seems to block anybody who disagrees with his/her world view or that can present a coherent argument, I'm surprised Tippia has lasted as long as he has. I'm on that list with you, and I consider myself in good company 
Yeah, no bullshit in that statement. Tippia trolls harder than any of the 3 of us in any case, but remains unblocked by Ace. Honestly astonishing.
The best part, I thought, was that Ace blocked Malcanis for telling her that DotLan does, in fact, use EVE API. I mean, that is ten kinds of bullshit. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10655
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 20:28:00 -
[194] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You know he won't read that Malcanis, Ace seems to block anybody who disagrees with his/her world view or that can present a coherent argument, I'm surprised Tippia has lasted as long as he has. I'm on that list with you, and I consider myself in good company  Yeah, no bullshit in that statement. Tippia trolls harder than any of the 3 of us in any case, but remains unblocked by Ace. Honestly astonishing. The best part, I thought, was that Ace blocked Malcanis for telling her that DotLan does, in fact, use EVE API. I mean, that is ten kinds of bullshit.
Let's just say that Ace is someone whom I am happy to know that I have her bad opinion.
1 Kings 12:11
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Highfield
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 20:55:00 -
[195] - Quote
*popcorn*
More bullshit please folks, it's amusing to see all haters crash on the rock solid breakwaters of Malcanis' integrity!
*munching..* |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10656
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 20:58:00 -
[196] - Quote
Highfield wrote:*popcorn*
More bullshit please folks, it's amusing to see all haters crash on the rock solid breakwaters of Malcanis' integrity!
*munching..*
That's not what you said about me in your fleet thread!
1 Kings 12:11
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Highfield
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 21:11:00 -
[197] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Highfield wrote:*popcorn*
More bullshit please folks, it's amusing to see all haters crash on the rock solid breakwaters of Malcanis' integrity!
*munching..* That's not what you said about me in your fleet thread!
And still you got top vote on all my accounts. I rather have a representative that can take a hit and retort with a valid argument than some nitwit who avoids a discussion altogether.
You're a little trickster tho, don't make me put our personal NSFW stuff in this thread!  |

Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
34
|
Posted - 2013.07.09 22:16:00 -
[198] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: For a representative on the CSM. Ya know, the whole reason why the election happen, so the players can choose who will represent them in front of CCP?
Again this represent word? Has your representative asked you your opinion or views on any issue? Have the CSM as a whole polled the player base on what they want? Did they come to the player with changes CCP was thinking of making and getting our opinion? I see no representation at all in CSM. For me, I voted for Technical Experts to interface with CCP. Ones I felt were either knowledgeable or brought something to the table. I would have voted for mynnna (Goonswarm and evil of course), if I didn't already believe they were a lock. In game Mynnna would destroy my ships, take all my ISK, and the probably find some way to erase my skill points, but... he knows part of this game that very few do. In his area he is an expert. He sure doesn't represent me.
Dude... I'm a n00b, but I clearly remember a post inviting players to a townhall meeting to discuss the game and things players had to say about it. They wanted players thoughts on the matter so that they'd have something to say to CCP on their next meeting with them. That is a classic example of representation.
If you didn't participate in the townhall meet and said your say, that's your fault. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
169
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 07:45:00 -
[199] - Quote
Inokuma Yawara wrote: Dude... I'm a n00b, but I clearly remember a post inviting players to a townhall meeting to discuss the game and things players had to say about it. They wanted players thoughts on the matter so that they'd have something to say to CCP on their next meeting with them. That is a classic example of representation.
If you didn't participate in the townhall meet and said your say, that's your fault.
Representation - "The action of speaking or acting on behalf of someone or the state of being so represented."
Do you feel mynnna will act on your behalf?
If a member of the CSM uses their title and position as a tool to defraud players out of their Corp... is that acting on their behalf?
If a majority of the player base wanted an end to ganking... do you think your representatives would fight for that?
They each have the view of the game and what can be done to improve it. They will listen to other people ideas... that doesn't mean they will push for any of them. A thousand townhall meetings calling for the end of highsec war decs... won't get these CSM members to push for something they think would be detrimental to the game. They are not going to conduct opinion polls and then use that as their goals.
CCP has a features and ideas section in which players can put forth their views on new or changing features... and it looks like CCP reads those posts. In some case I think they have actually gotten some ideas from them... and perhaps implemented them. That is not representation.
The CSM works with CCP to make the game better. They are there to improve/protect the game... not represent you.
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Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1354
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 08:08:00 -
[200] - Quote
Has anyone mentioned that Bullshitgate is a CSM False Flag operation yet? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15143
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 08:46:00 -
[201] - Quote
Am I too late to say: In before Ace and a comment about WoW? (IB4AAW) I kinda skipped through the last pages. 
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9979
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 09:16:00 -
[202] - Quote
Too late Mag's, 13:33 Eve time yesterday, and that should become a meme, if only because Ace predictably brings up WoW at every given opportunity.
God I wish she'd go back there and stop shitting up the forums.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
320
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 09:35:00 -
[203] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you vote? its easy to bullshit around and have some kids vote for you, its much harder to achieve something meaningful with integrity I take that as a no.
voting just finished when I started the game, but had to read just one comment of malcanis to find out that that guy is inappropriate for the position, should go shape his personality instead of spreading anger on the web OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9979
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 09:37:00 -
[204] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you vote? its easy to bullshit around and have some kids vote for you, its much harder to achieve something meaningful with integrity I take that as a no. was not even in the game when the voting was done, but had to read just one comment of malcanis to find out that that guy is inappropriate for the position, should go shape his personality instead of spreading anger on the web How is he inappropriate for the position? Does his honesty and bluntness scare you?
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
320
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 09:41:00 -
[205] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you vote? its easy to bullshit around and have some kids vote for you, its much harder to achieve something meaningful with integrity I take that as a no. was not even in the game when the voting was done, but had to read just one comment of malcanis to find out that that guy is inappropriate for the position, should go shape his personality instead of spreading anger on the web How is he inappropriate for the position? Does his honesty and bluntness scare you?
he has got no integrity, just a frustrated guy punshing down on newbs, CCP should remove him because he is against new players and pushes others to be that way as well... he is exemplifying missbehaviour against new palyers OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
38
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 09:59:00 -
[206] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
honesty does not mean you have to be a dickhead you know
Dickhead offends me. You've got no integrity!
Is this the make up new definitions for words thread? |

Highfield
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
19
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 10:02:00 -
[207] - Quote
Welcome to Eve. HTFU or go play WoW.
There's no such thing as new players in this game. Eighter you are an idiot or you are not, irregardless of playing experience. I know players with half a decade experience who would lose in all aspects against a much less informed player (and ofc. vice versa). Idiots will be "educated" and "nudged" every once in a while by guys with a clue, and these shitstorms only add the cherry on top.
Keep going!
*munching moar popcorn* |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9984
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 10:03:00 -
[208] - Quote
Actually I think you'll find the only people that Malcanis is against is idiots, he like many other older players recognises that new players are important for the expansion and continuation of Eve, but that they aren't so important that CCP should dumb down the game to cater for them.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15143
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 10:04:00 -
[209] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Too late Mag's, 13:33 Eve time yesterday, and that should become a meme, if only because Ace predictably brings up WoW at every given opportunity.
God I wish she'd go back there and stop shitting up the forums. Ahh yea found it, thanks bud.
I'll use INB4AAW from now on. 
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15143
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 10:06:00 -
[210] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Actually I think you'll find the only people that Malcanis is against is idiots, he like many other older players recognises that new players are important for the expansion and continuation of Eve, but that they aren't so important that CCP should dumb down the game to cater for them. Pretty much. Which gave raise to Malcanis Law.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Highfield
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
20
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 10:11:00 -
[211] - Quote
Haters going to hate!
http://themittani.com/features/5-years-lex-malcanis |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10684
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:18:00 -
[212] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Actually I think you'll find the only people that Malcanis is against is idiots, he like many other older players recognises that new players are important for the expansion and continuation of Eve, but that they aren't so important that CCP should dumb down the game to cater for them.
New players are super important, and also adorable. But that doesn't mean that we should compromise EVE to give people solutions to short term problems that they can solve themselves.
Or to put it another way: what people think they want is generally not what they need.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10684
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 10:19:00 -
[213] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
honesty does not mean you have to be a dickhead you know
I know; it's an extra service I throw in for free.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10688
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 10:36:00 -
[214] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote: How is he inappropriate for the position? Does his honesty and bluntness scare you?
Harry is ~supermad at me because I said
Malcanis wrote: I see you're new to 0.0, let me explain
In the thread where NPC Corp Member Harry Forever was complaining that he accepted a fleet invite in local in a war zone during a war, and then got his ship popped.
Of course I said this because I am a bad wrong nasty person who hates anyone who started playing EVE a day after I did etc. Harry is in no way angry because he knows full well what he did was dumb and doesn't want to accept this.
1 Kings 12:11
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
171
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 10:36:00 -
[215] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:...he's got no integrity... Integrity - The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
Honest - It is fairly obvious that Malcanis is being honest in stating his opinion on issues. Right or wrong... what he says is what he means.
Moral principles - the principles of right and wrong that are accepted by an individual or a social group.
This is EvE... other than Botting or RMT I am not sure the 'group' has much else they consider 'wrong'.
Harry Forever wrote:....honesty does not mean you have to be a dickhead you know... Malcanis is blunt. Does he have to be? No, but he is; and while some people like it...others don't.
The best course of action is for those individuals who don't like his 'bluntness' to not interact with him. The worse course of action an individual can take is to expect Malcanis to change for them. |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
171
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 10:36:00 -
[216] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
honesty does not mean you have to be a dickhead you know
I know; it's an extra service I throw in for free. 
|

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10688
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:38:00 -
[217] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:The worse course of action an individual can take is to expect Malcanis to change for them.
1 Kings 12:11
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
320
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:41:00 -
[218] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Actually I think you'll find the only people that Malcanis is against is idiots, he like many other older players recognises that new players are important for the expansion and continuation of Eve, but that they aren't so important that CCP should dumb down the game to cater for them.
you do not understand that this is a thread about behaviour against others, if he would bring arguments in his communication, everybody would be fine with that, but he is not, he just tends to unleashing his frustration on people in the forums OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:44:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:...he's got no integrity... Integrity - The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles. Honest - It is fairly obvious that Malcanis is being honest in stating his opinion on issues. Right or wrong... what he says is what he means. Moral principles - the principles of right and wrong that are accepted by an individual or a social group. This is EvE... other than Botting or RMT I am not sure the 'group' has much else they consider 'wrong'. Harry Forever wrote:....honesty does not mean you have to be a dickhead you know... Malcanis is blunt. Does he have to be? No, but he is; and while some people like it...others don't. The best course of action is for those individuals who don't like his 'bluntness' to not interact with him. The worse course of action an individual can take is to expect Malcanis to change for them.
hes not showing his opinion, he just says no and adds one or two pieces of profanity, this has nothing to do with integrity or honesty... well yes at least he's honest showing his frustration, but nothing more OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:48:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: How is he inappropriate for the position? Does his honesty and bluntness scare you?
Harry is ~supermad at me because I said Malcanis wrote: I see you're new to 0.0, let me explain
In the thread where NPC Corp Member Harry Forever was complaining that he accepted a fleet invite in local in a war zone during a war, and then got his ship popped. Of course I said this because I am a bad wrong nasty person who hates anyone who started playing EVE a day after I did etc. Harry is in no way angry because he knows full well what he did was dumb and doesn't want to accept this.
pathetic, you have no clue why I brought this up OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:51:00 -
[221] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Actually I think you'll find the only people that Malcanis is against is idiots, he like many other older players recognises that new players are important for the expansion and continuation of Eve, but that they aren't so important that CCP should dumb down the game to cater for them. you do not understand that this is a thread about behaviour against others, if he would bring arguments in his communication, everybody would be fine with that, but he is not, he just tends to unleashing his frustration on people in the forums He didn't need to bring an argument to the thread that started this, the OP of that thread acted stupidly and paid the price for that stupidity, and has since had his petition answered by CCP, who incidentally said exactly the same thing as everyone who pointed out his stupidity said, including Malcanis.
Opposition to obvious stupidity doesn't need a reason beyond the fact that stupid is as stupid does.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:51:00 -
[222] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:pathetic, you have no clue why I brought this up Do you? Because tbh, this is all bullshit.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:52:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Actually I think you'll find the only people that Malcanis is against is idiots, he like many other older players recognises that new players are important for the expansion and continuation of Eve, but that they aren't so important that CCP should dumb down the game to cater for them. you do not understand that this is a thread about behaviour against others, if he would bring arguments in his communication, everybody would be fine with that, but he is not, he just tends to unleashing his frustration on people in the forums He didn't need to bring an argument to the thread that started this, the OP of that thread acted stupidly and paid the price for that stupidity. Opposition to obvious stupidity doesn't need a reason beyond the fact that stupid is as stupid does.
only people who understand nothing call others stupid all the time OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:53:00 -
[224] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:only people who understand nothing call others stupid all the time And only stupid people claim others do something all the time. Amidoingitright?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:54:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Harry Forever wrote:pathetic, you have no clue why I brought this up Do you? Because tbh, this is all bullshit.
I hardly believe you would understand when I try to explain, so yes bullshit, stick to that. OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10009
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:54:00 -
[226] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: only people who understand nothing call others stupid all the time
If I see stupidity I call it stupidity, I don't beat around the bush about it, it's one of my more endearing qualities.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:55:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Mag's wrote:Harry Forever wrote:pathetic, you have no clue why I brought this up Do you? Because tbh, this is all bullshit. I hardly believe you would understand when I try to explain, so yes bullshit, stick to that. Ahh the 'you wouldn't understand' retort. Well played sir, well played.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:55:00 -
[228] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote: only people who understand nothing call others stupid all the time
If I see stupidity I call it stupidity, I don't beat around the bush about it, it's one of my more endearing qualities.
you call it stupidity because you do not understand it, if you would understand it you would not call it stupid, because you would know the reason OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10010
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:57:00 -
[229] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote: only people who understand nothing call others stupid all the time
If I see stupidity I call it stupidity, I don't beat around the bush about it, it's one of my more endearing qualities. you call it stupidity because you do not understand it, if you would understand it you would not call it stupid, because you would know the reason No I call it stupidity because it is stupidity, if it wasn't stupidity I'd call it something else. Now give me a reason not to call it stupidity.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15143
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:57:00 -
[230] - Quote
Post 228 needs more edits. You'll get there in the end.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:58:00 -
[231] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote: only people who understand nothing call others stupid all the time
If I see stupidity I call it stupidity, I don't beat around the bush about it, it's one of my more endearing qualities. you call it stupidity because you do not understand it, if you would understand it you would not call it stupid, because you would know the reason No I call it stupidity because it is stupidity, if it wasn't stupidity I'd call it something else. Now give me a reason not to call it stupidity.
people like you just call others stupid all the time, because you do not want to use your brain and think about their reasons
therefore ever time you call somebody stupid, you are the one who is actually stupid because you do not understand the others OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15143
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:59:00 -
[232] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:people like you just call others stupid all the time, because you do not want to use your brain and think about their reasons All the time?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:04:00 -
[233] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: ... this has nothing to do with integrity or honesty...
Ok. I thought someone brought up the integrity issue and I thought I would address it. |

Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:05:00 -
[234] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote: ... this has nothing to do with integrity or honesty...
Ok. I thought someone brought up the integrity issue and I thought I would address it.
no, I told people that he is missing integrity when they asked about why I think he should be removed OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10011
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:08:00 -
[235] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: people like you just call others stupid all the time, because you do not want to use your brain and think about their reasons
therefore ever time you call somebody stupid, you are the one who is stupid because you do not understand the others
Nope I call it as I see it, I'm perfectly capable of using my brain, and have been able to do so for in excess of 40 years. I just have no patience for people doing stupid stuff when they should know better.
For example if you stepped out into the road without looking both ways and got hit by a bus I would call you stupid regardless of your reasons for doing so, if however you looked both ways and still got hit by the bus then I wouldn't call you stupid at all, I would in fact lambast the bus driver for not watching out for potential hazards.
Are you sure you're not an alt of Ace or S Bryley(sp?)? the circular arguments are starting to look familiar.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:11:00 -
[236] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote: people like you just call others stupid all the time, because you do not want to use your brain and think about their reasons
therefore ever time you call somebody stupid, you are the one who is stupid because you do not understand the others
Nope I call it as I see it, I'm perfectly capable of using my brain, and have been able to do so for in excess of 40 years. I just have no patience for people doing stupid stuff when they should know better. For example if you stepped out into the road without looking both ways and got hit by a bus I would call you stupid regardless of your reasons for doing so, if however you looked both ways and still got hit by the bus then I wouldn't call you stupid at all, I would in fact lambast the bus driver for not watching out for potential hazards. Are you sure you're not an alt of Ace or S Bryley(sp?)? the circular arguments are starting to look familiar.
trust me one thing, you see nothing... for the world of reason, you are blind OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:14:00 -
[237] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:...he's not showing his opinion, he just says no and adds one or two pieces of profanity... I believe he was in this case showing his opinion. Calling someones argument 'Bullshit' is an opinion.
Malcanis - Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
Bullshit - It is a slang profanity term meaning... more commonly, "nonsense", especially in a rebuking response to communication or actions viewed as deceiving, misleading, disingenuous or false. |

Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:17:00 -
[238] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:...he's not showing his opinion, he just says no and adds one or two pieces of profanity... I believe he was in this case showing his opinion. Calling someones argument 'Bullshit' is an opinion. Malcanis - Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked. Bullshit - It is a slang profanity term meaning... more commonly, "nonsense", especially in a rebuking response to communication or actions viewed as deceiving, misleading, disingenuous or false.
bullshit is just a word used when arguments are missing, it shows helplessness in a discussion OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
172
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:20:00 -
[239] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:--he's got no integrity---
no, I told people that he is missing integrity when they asked about why I think he should be removed Ok, I posted a definition of integrity.
Do you agree with it? If not, how do you define integrity?
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Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
38
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:21:00 -
[240] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: How is he inappropriate for the position? Does his honesty and bluntness scare you?
Harry is ~supermad at me because I said Malcanis wrote: I see you're new to 0.0, let me explain
In the thread where NPC Corp Member Harry Forever was complaining that he accepted a fleet invite in local in a war zone during a war, and then got his ship popped. Of course I said this because I am a bad wrong nasty person who hates anyone who started playing EVE a day after I did etc. Harry is in no way angry because he knows full well what he did was dumb and doesn't want to accept this.
OMG, the "killstreak" he was in was noobships and a couple of industrials. UIf he's doing nothing but killing noobships, who is *really* against new players? ;) |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10014
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:21:00 -
[241] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: trust me one thing, you see nothing... for the world of reason, you are blind
I see nothing? and am blind to reason? This coming from someone whose reasoning is so circular that I could apply a mathematical formula that involves 3.1415927 to it.
On that note I'm done with you, you obviously have your head so far up your own backside that you've see organs normally only visible after an autopsy.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
172
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:22:00 -
[242] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote: bullshit is just a word used when arguments are missing, it shows helplessness in a discussion
Maybe so, but it does seem to be allowed... assuming there is a language filter on this forum.
No forum rules seem to have been broken. The rules governing CSM conduct haven't been broken. |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:31:00 -
[243] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote: bullshit is just a word used when arguments are missing, it shows helplessness in a discussion
Maybe so, but it does seem to be allowed... assuming there is a language filter on this forum. No forum rules seem to have been broken. The rules governing CSM conduct haven't been broken.
those small things sum up at the end, trust me OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Highfield
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
21
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:39:00 -
[244] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote: bullshit is just a word used when arguments are missing, it shows helplessness in a discussion
Maybe so, but it does seem to be allowed... assuming there is a language filter on this forum. No forum rules seem to have been broken. The rules governing CSM conduct haven't been broken. those small things sum up at the end, trust me
Hmm all this popcorn is making me so fat, I'll be as circular as your flow of arguments over the last couple of pages!
*munches on..* |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:50:00 -
[245] - Quote
That's correct, I have no idea why you thought making that post was a good idea.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:51:00 -
[246] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote: bullshit is just a word used when arguments are missing, it shows helplessness in a discussion
Maybe so, but it does seem to be allowed... assuming there is a language filter on this forum. No forum rules seem to have been broken. The rules governing CSM conduct haven't been broken.
The "Don't say things Harry doesn't like" rule was broken 
1 Kings 12:11
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Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:57:00 -
[247] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote: bullshit is just a word used when arguments are missing, it shows helplessness in a discussion
Maybe so, but it does seem to be allowed... assuming there is a language filter on this forum. No forum rules seem to have been broken. The rules governing CSM conduct haven't been broken. The "Don't say things Harry doesn't like" rule was broken 
helpless OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
427
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:00:00 -
[248] - Quote
So this bullshit is still going, huh?
Although it looks like someone new has stepped up to try and shovel bullshit in our direction instead.
Gotta say, insofar as Harry's charge that Malcanis and his ilk hate new players, I find that to be completely untrue in my case.
I love new players, they're delicious. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:13:00 -
[249] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
helpless
OK you win I am defeated by your rhetorical prowess
Go to the fame and glory that awaits you
1 Kings 12:11
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
172
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:28:00 -
[250] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:...those small things sum up at the end, trust me... I am sure they do, but they can be offset by bigger things.
Chairman: Trebor Daehdoow - Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots.
Mike Azariah CSM8 -1) Malcanis is working and working well in the CSM
He used the word bullshit, which seems to be allowed.... vs.... "...he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues..."
I wonder which carries more weight?
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Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:33:00 -
[251] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:...those small things sum up at the end, trust me... I am sure they do, but they can be offset by bigger things.
Chairman: Trebor Daehdoow - Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots. Mike Azariah CSM8 -1) Malcanis is working and working well in the CSM
He used the word bullshit, which seems to be allowed.... vs.... "...he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues..." I wonder which carries more weight?
then let him work, but in a locked up cellar OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
38
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:45:00 -
[252] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:...those small things sum up at the end, trust me... I am sure they do, but they can be offset by bigger things.
Chairman: Trebor Daehdoow - Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots. Mike Azariah CSM8 -1) Malcanis is working and working well in the CSM
He used the word bullshit, which seems to be allowed.... vs.... "...he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues..." I wonder which carries more weight? then let him work, but in a locked up cellar honestly he needs to be removed from interaction with the community, hes only bringing bad blood to the fourms this is serious
You must be trolling. It's impossible that you could have so much re-tard in your head. |

Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:48:00 -
[253] - Quote
Manfred Hideous wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:...those small things sum up at the end, trust me... I am sure they do, but they can be offset by bigger things.
Chairman: Trebor Daehdoow - Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots. Mike Azariah CSM8 -1) Malcanis is working and working well in the CSM
He used the word bullshit, which seems to be allowed.... vs.... "...he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues..." I wonder which carries more weight? then let him work, but in a locked up cellar honestly he needs to be removed from interaction with the community, hes only bringing bad blood to the fourms this is serious You must be trolling. It's impossible that you could have so much re-tard in your head.
he might be good in what he does, not sure, however he's extremely bad in communication on the forums
thats why he should stick to what he knows best, and let the communication do someboday else
nothing ******** about that in my opinion OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:58:00 -
[254] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
he might be good in what he does, not sure, however he's extremely bad in communication on the forums
Thats just, like, your opinion, man
1 Kings 12:11
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Harry Forever
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:03:00 -
[255] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
he might be good in what he does, not sure, however he's extremely bad in communication on the forums
Thats just, like, your opinion, man
no, it's also the opinion of the guy who opend up the thread, and I'm sure there are many others who just do not speak up because you are intimidating people OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
172
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:03:00 -
[256] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:...hes only bringing bad blood to the fourms...
this is serious I am sure he does annoys some people, but so do a lot of other posters. Consider during past CSMs there have been some members who have under performed.... maybe we should elect some more blunt players.
"... he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues..."
After the failure of General Grant's first experimental explorations around Vicksburg, a committee of abolition war managers waited upon the President Lincoln and demanded the GeneralGÇÖs removal, on the charge that he was a whiskey drinker, and little better than a common drunkard. GÇ£Ah!GÇ¥ exclaimed Honest Old Abe, GÇ£you surprise me, gentlemen. But can you tell me where he gets his whiskey?GÇ¥ GÇ£We cannot, Mr. President. But why do you desire to know?GÇ¥ GÇ£Because, if I can only find out, I will send a barrel of this wonderful whiskey to every general in the army.GÇ¥ New York Herald on September 18, 1863
Note: there are a couple of poster I don't respond to on these forums because... well they are not only less than polite, but they know everything and are never wrong. I feel humbled by the superiority. 
If you don't like Malcanis responses... ignore them. |

Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
172
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:06:00 -
[257] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:... you are intimidating people... I am sure there are other people who don't like the way Malcanis posts... his style, but intimidated? Seriously, these are just electrons... if this intimidates you. 
I fear for that person in real life.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:08:00 -
[258] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:...hes only bringing bad blood to the fourms...
this is serious I am sure he does annoys some people, but so do a lot of other posters. Consider during past CSMs there have been some members who have under performed.... maybe we should elect some more blunt players. "... he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues..."
After the failure of General Grant's first experimental explorations around Vicksburg, a committee of abolition war managers waited upon the President Lincoln and demanded the GeneralGÇÖs removal, on the charge that he was a whiskey drinker, and little better than a common drunkard. GÇ£Ah!GÇ¥ exclaimed Honest Old Abe, GÇ£you surprise me, gentlemen. But can you tell me where he gets his whiskey?GÇ¥ GÇ£We cannot, Mr. President. But why do you desire to know?GÇ¥ GÇ£Because, if I can only find out, I will send a barrel of this wonderful whiskey to every general in the army.GÇ¥ New York Herald on September 18, 1863
Note: there are a couple of poster I don't respond to on these forums because... well they are not only less than polite, but they know everything and are never wrong. I feel humbled by the superiority.  If you don't like Malcanis responses... ignore them.
I clicked on ignore after I did read his first comment weeks ago, however after I did see this thread I felt the urge to help him understand what he is doing OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:11:00 -
[259] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
he might be good in what he does, not sure, however he's extremely bad in communication on the forums
Thats just, like, your opinion, man no, it's also the opinion of the guy who opend up the thread, and I'm sure there are many others who just do not speak up because you are intimidating people
grrr I'm scary grrr
1 Kings 12:11
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:13:00 -
[260] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:... you are intimidating people... I am sure there are other people who don't like the way Malcanis posts... his style, but intimidated? Seriously, these are just electrons... if this intimidates you.  I fear for that person in real life.
it is intimidating, you just do not have the sensitivity for it if you do not see it... most of the time people who are really hard to others lose that connection because nobody speaks up to them anymore... its an indication that the personality is getting out of balance OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
38
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:16:00 -
[261] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
he might be good in what he does, not sure, however he's extremely bad in communication on the forums
Thats just, like, your opinion, man no, it's also the opinion of the guy who opend up the thread, and I'm sure there are many others who just do not speak up because you are intimidating people
You obviously, didn't, see, what, he, did, there.
and JFC, please use this link.
http://tinyurl.com/3qe7
before, posting; again.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10696
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:23:00 -
[262] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:... you are intimidating people... I am sure there are other people who don't like the way Malcanis posts... his style, but intimidated? Seriously, these are just electrons... if this intimidates you.  I fear for that person in real life. it is intimidating, you just do not have the sensitivity for it if you do not see it... most of the time people who are really hard to others lose that connection because nobody speaks up to them anymore... its an indication that the personality is getting out of balance
So if no one disagrees with me then it's because I'm too intimidating, but if lots of people disagree with me then it's just because I'm wrong?
I ask because I can easily provide you with plenty of links to posts disagreeing with me, and many in much stronger terms than you've complained about me using. Will you call them out for being "intimidating" too?
Or is it only intimidation when you need to conjure up a silent majority who would agree with you if only they weren't afraid I'd leave a space-horse's head in their space-bed?
1 Kings 12:11
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
322
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:31:00 -
[263] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:... you are intimidating people... I am sure there are other people who don't like the way Malcanis posts... his style, but intimidated? Seriously, these are just electrons... if this intimidates you.  I fear for that person in real life. it is intimidating, you just do not have the sensitivity for it if you do not see it... most of the time people who are really hard to others lose that connection because nobody speaks up to them anymore... its an indication that the personality is getting out of balance So if no one disagrees with me then it's because I'm too intimidating, but if lots of people disagree with me then it's just because I'm wrong? I ask because I can easily provide you with plenty of links to posts disagreeing with me, and many in much stronger terms than you've complained about me using. Will you call them out for being "intimidating" too? Or is it only intimidation when you need to conjure up a silent majority who would agree with you if only they weren't afraid I'd leave a space-horse's head in their space-bed?
you just do not want to realize that you have a serious communication issue, well, then just go on like you do...
and take those as guide who do it the same... and those who vote for you, yea keep thinking this is the right way to do it...
good luck to you all OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Highfield
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
21
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:39:00 -
[264] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:... you are intimidating people... I am sure there are other people who don't like the way Malcanis posts... his style, but intimidated? Seriously, these are just electrons... if this intimidates you.  I fear for that person in real life. it is intimidating, you just do not have the sensitivity for it if you do not see it... most of the time people who are really hard to others lose that connection because nobody speaks up to them anymore... its an indication that the personality is getting out of balance So if no one disagrees with me then it's because I'm too intimidating, but if lots of people disagree with me then it's just because I'm wrong? I ask because I can easily provide you with plenty of links to posts disagreeing with me, and many in much stronger terms than you've complained about me using. Will you call them out for being "intimidating" too? Or is it only intimidation when you need to conjure up a silent majority who would agree with you if only they weren't afraid I'd leave a space-horse's head in their space-bed? you just do not want to realize that you have a serious communication issue, well, then just go on like you do... and take those as guide who do it the same... and those who vote for you, yea keep thinking this is the right way to do it... good luck to you all
Not sure if trolling..
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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
127
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:39:00 -
[265] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
he might be good in what he does, not sure, however he's extremely bad in communication on the forums
Thats just, like, your opinion, man no, it's also the opinion of the guy who opend up the thread, and I'm sure there are many others who just do not speak up because you are intimidating people Been only enjoying my popcorn so far but now I feel I gotta jump in: I am not intimidated and I think Malcanis does a great job communicating on the forums. And I'm not alone. 19513 players deemed him a sensible choice for CSM.
Malcanis, thank you. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10696
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:40:00 -
[266] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
you just do not want to realize that you have a serious communication issue, well, then just go on like you do...
I'm open to the possibility, but you'll need to bring some more evidence than just your unsupported word, because Harry, you're not exactly coming across as a neutral, objective observer here. You're certainly not too intimidated to disagree with me. Do you consider yourself very much braver than the average forum poster? Can you show any off-site links where people are posting "OMG I wanted to disagree with Malc but he's so fierce and scary I didn't dare!!" ?
What have you got?
(Apart from a single casual post that apparently hurt your pwecious feewings)
1 Kings 12:11
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Sway M4G
Terra Hawks The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:53:00 -
[267] - Quote
Yup Malcanis is sure intimidating he once threatend to post pictures of my dead corpse on the forums after a failed bomb run, this made me very scared and afraid of him :(
Why Harrys so mad i dont know maybe he just wants a hug :) |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
427
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:07:00 -
[268] - Quote
So, if I get this straight, you would like to see him invalidated from the discussion, because of YOUR emotional reaction to his manner of speaking?
That is not only intellectually dishonest in the extreme, but it's also absurdly selfish.
Get over yourself. Your precious feelings don't matter to anyone here. While I hate to speak for another person, you can kiss his ass. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
322
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:10:00 -
[269] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, if I get this straight, you would like to see him invalidated from the discussion, because of YOUR emotional reaction to his manner of speaking?
That is not only intellectually dishonest in the extreme, but it's also absurdly selfish.
Get over yourself. Your precious feelings don't matter to anyone here. While I hate to speak for another person, you can kiss his ass.
no you don't get anything straight, not the slightest thing
blocked OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
322
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:11:00 -
[270] - Quote
Sway M4G wrote:Yup Malcanis is sure intimidating he once threatend to post pictures of my dead corpse on the forums after a failed bomb run, this made me very scared and afraid of him :(
Why Harrys so mad i dont know maybe he just wants a hug :)
I'm not mad, I just explained stuff, however I got the feeling they don't get it OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1253
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:13:00 -
[271] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you vote? its easy to bullshit around and have some kids vote for you, its much harder to achieve something meaningful with integrity I take that as a no. voting just finished when I started the game, but had to read just one comment of malcanis to find out that that guy is inappropriate for the position, should go shape his personality instead of spreading anger on the web So you had 0 experience with this game, how it worked, the social hierarchy, or even who Malcanis and why he was elected. And one comment was enough for you to determine that you knew everything you needs to know about him?
Who is the arrogant one here? I don't believe it is Malcanis. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
427
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:18:00 -
[272] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Sway M4G wrote:Yup Malcanis is sure intimidating he once threatend to post pictures of my dead corpse on the forums after a failed bomb run, this made me very scared and afraid of him :(
Why Harrys so mad i dont know maybe he just wants a hug :) I'm not mad, I just explained stuff, however I got the feeling they don't get it
It isn't that we don't get it, it's that you are about as wrong as it's possible to be without being Ace. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
322
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:19:00 -
[273] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you vote? its easy to bullshit around and have some kids vote for you, its much harder to achieve something meaningful with integrity I take that as a no. voting just finished when I started the game, but had to read just one comment of malcanis to find out that that guy is inappropriate for the position, should go shape his personality instead of spreading anger on the web So you had 0 experience with this game, how it worked, the social hierarchy, or even who Malcanis and why he was elected. And one comment was enough for you to determine that you knew everything you needs to know about him? Who is the arrogant one here? I don't believe it is Malcanis.
I got a good feeling about people yes OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Highfield
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
22
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:23:00 -
[274] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Sway M4G wrote:Yup Malcanis is sure intimidating he once threatend to post pictures of my dead corpse on the forums after a failed bomb run, this made me very scared and afraid of him :(
Why Harrys so mad i dont know maybe he just wants a hug :) I'm not mad, I just explained stuff, however I got the feeling they don't get it
Do you realise that you chose to cross swords with one of the most respected warriors this forum has even know? A person who has been elected based on experience and a lot on-topic discussion that goes back close to a decade? Someone who has a freaking law named after him? Do you honestly think your argument, after a 14 page threadnaught, holds any merit?
With all that in mind, do you think "they" don't get it or perhaps maybe you don't get it? |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
427
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:24:00 -
[275] - Quote
Quote:With all that in mind, do you think "they" don't get it or perhaps maybe you don't get it?
People like this aren't capable of introspective critical thought. All we can do is point and laugh. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
322
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:36:00 -
[276] - Quote
I think that thread can be closed, it seems Malcanis and his follower are in dire need of the bullshit he's posting
thanks for explaining to me OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
38
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:37:00 -
[277] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, if I get this straight, you would like to see him invalidated from the discussion, because of YOUR emotional reaction to his manner of speaking?
That is not only intellectually dishonest in the extreme, but it's also absurdly selfish.
Get over yourself. Your precious feelings don't matter to anyone here. While I hate to speak for another person, you can kiss his ass. no you don't get anything straight, not the slightest thing blocked
OH NOES he BLOCKED you!!!11eleventy!
Hairy, You can't win an argument by putting your fingers in your ears and yelling lalalala! |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15144
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:41:00 -
[278] - Quote
I'm offended he's offended. What now?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Highfield
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
23
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:41:00 -
[279] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:I think that thread can be closed, it seems Malcanis and his follower are in dire need of the bullshit he's posting
thanks for explaining to me
No no, now we push on! Ususally after an explanation follows a test.
Assignment #1: write an ode to Malcanis in haiku style! |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
428
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:45:00 -
[280] - Quote
Highfield wrote:Harry Forever wrote:I think that thread can be closed, it seems Malcanis and his follower are in dire need of the bullshit he's posting
thanks for explaining to me No no, now we push on! Ususally after an explanation follows a test. Assignment #1: write an ode to Malcanis in haiku style!
"Bullshit" in GD?
I am so very offended.
My precious feelings! Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Sway M4G
Terra Hawks The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:50:00 -
[281] - Quote
Well if you cant win just block  |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
345
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:24:00 -
[282] - Quote
Malcanis upholds the finest standards of the CSM by correctly and openly sifting good ideas from trash and discarding the trash (this thread) |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
345
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:35:00 -
[283] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:I think that thread can be closed, it seems Malcanis and his follower are in dire need of the bullshit he's posting
thanks for explaining to me everything i said got owned and my dignity is in tatters
this clearly means i was right all along |

Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10060
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Posted - 2013.07.10 19:36:00 -
[284] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Harry Forever wrote:I think that thread can be closed, it seems Malcanis and his follower are in dire need of the bullshit he's posting
thanks for explaining to me everything i said got owned and my dignity is in tatters this clearly means i was right all along That seems to be a regular occurrence these days.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |

ChYph3r
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:55:00 -
[285] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.
You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long! Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player. (btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)
This is the most ridiculous asinine request ever! why don't you f*ck off and go play Disney Online ( http://games.disney.com/ ) you little sniveling butt hurt jacka**!
Mal say Bullshit more so this little prick has more butt hurt! http://evepodcasts.com PODSIDE Personality @chyph3r-á on Twitter
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Frying Doom
2514
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Posted - 2013.07.11 03:49:00 -
[286] - Quote
Is Malcanis a knob: Yes Is he blunt and generally offensive: Yes Is he wrong at times: Yes Does he ever acknowledge he is wrong: Not that I have ever seen
So in essence he is a jumped up little dictator, that believes he is always right.
And this game is full of them.
Welcome to EvE Online, where you need to be a jerk or the hordes will just crush you. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1297
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:51:00 -
[287] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:And this game is full of them. Case in point ^
wb Frying "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10703
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Posted - 2013.07.11 10:57:00 -
[288] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Is Malcanis a knob: Yes Is he blunt and generally offensive: Yes Is he wrong at times: Yes Does he ever acknowledge he is wrong: Not that I have ever seen So in essence he is a jumped up little dictator, that believes he is always right. And this game is full of them. Welcome to EvE Online, where you need to be a jerk or the hordes will just crush you. 
Can you cite an example of me being objectively wrong about something (ie: not just an opinion like whether the Pilgrim is a better looking ship than the Vagabond or whatever), having my error demonstrated to me with actual data, and then not conceding my mistake?
I mean either this happens so frequently that linking several examples should be easy, or so rarely that the event is seared into your memory and linking the examples should still be easy.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10703
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:01:00 -
[289] - Quote
Because sure lots of people have disagreed with me and thrown a tear-filled hissy-fit because I asked them for some information to back up their assertion that there's too much suicide ganking or all hi-sec corps get war-decced or whatever, but until they put some information on the table, it's just "my subjective impression vs your subjective impression", in which case there's no real scope for an outside observer such as yourself to decide who's "wrong".
Anyway: let's see the links.
(Or the tear filled hissy-fit, either is good)
1 Kings 12:11
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
554
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Posted - 2013.07.11 15:33:00 -
[290] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
you just do not want to realize that you have a serious communication issue, well, then just go on like you do...
I'm open to the possibility, but you'll need to bring some more evidence than just your unsupported word, because Harry, you're not exactly coming across as a neutral, objective observer here. You're certainly not too intimidated to disagree with me. Do you consider yourself very much braver than the average forum poster? Can you show any off-site links where people are posting "OMG I wanted to disagree with Malc but he's so fierce and scary I didn't dare!!" ? What have you got? (Apart from a single casual post that apparently hurt your pwecious feewings)
I remember you proving me wrong in a thread. It hurt. I really can't do this forum brawling anymore. Can't you see it by yourself? How terrible can you be to others without seeing it?
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mama guru
Thundercats The Initiative.
132
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Posted - 2013.07.11 15:45:00 -
[291] - Quote
Some people in this game really need a lesson in objectivity. Just because something hurt your feelings does not mean you were right all along. ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |

mmorpg lol
Carebear Reducation
16
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Posted - 2013.07.11 15:53:00 -
[292] - Quote
I would like to thank Malcanis, Manfred, et al. for the public service that they have been carrying out in this thread. |

Frying Doom
2518
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Posted - 2013.07.11 22:42:00 -
[293] - Quote
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Frying Doom wrote:And this game is full of them. Case in point ^ wb Frying ty
And yes I am one of the above mentioned. I would have to be mad not to claim to be. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10717
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Posted - 2013.07.12 05:48:00 -
[294] - Quote
Still waiting on those examples, Frying.
1 Kings 12:11
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Frying Doom
2518
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:04:00 -
[295] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Still waiting on those examples, Frying. Without even bothering to go through your posts
The CSM white paper clearly states
CSM White Paper wrote:The responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM.
Yourself and others elected to the Chairman someone who would not meet these criteria. Which even with all the hard work of the other CSM members makes CSM 8 look like a joke. It is hard to take CSM8 seriously with a clown at the head of the organization, look at Australia a few years ago, the rest of the world was laughing at us for having someone short enough to be a jokey as Prime minister.
You have given a wishy washy explanation of how you are right, completely denying the fact that the CSM White Paper is there, listing out what the chairman has to do. It is a cold hard fact in pdf form, you deny it, even though you can't get a much more solid fact.
You were wrong as you have been in the past, which is why I will not bother wasting my time going over old threads, which so you were wrong at times, like everyone else because you will just make excuses as to why you are right and the facts are wrong.
Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2314
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:37:00 -
[296] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Still waiting on those examples, Frying.
You're just gonna have to wait then, because it will take time for Frying Doom to come up with a reason why he can't present a shred of evidence to support what he thinks.
You know you're winning Mal, when the opposition has nothing left to throw at you but jealousy and butthurtedness.
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mmorpg lol
Carebear Reducation
18
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:39:00 -
[297] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:The CSM white paper clearly states CSM White Paper wrote:The responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM. Yourself and others elected to the Chairman, someone who would not meet these criteria. Which even with all the hard work of the other CSM members makes CSM 8 look like a joke. It is hard to take CSM8 seriously with a clown at the head of the organization, look at Australia a few years ago, the rest of the world was laughing at us for having someone short enough to be a jockey as Prime minister. You have given a wishy washy explanation of how you are right, completely denying the fact that the CSM White Paper is there, listing out what the chairman has to do. It is a cold hard fact in pdf form, you deny it, even though you can't get a much more solid fact. You were wrong as you have been in the past, which is why I will not bother wasting my time going over old threads, which so you were wrong at times, like everyone else because you will just make excuses as to why you are right and the facts are wrong.
So clearly the CSM is not allowed to choose somebody as chairman who is very good with the interaction between CCP and the CSM, because they are not very good at interacting with the community. The second part is clearly worded as being the most important part.  |

Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
39
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:42:00 -
[298] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Still waiting on those examples, Frying. Without even bothering to go through your posts The CSM white paper clearly states CSM White Paper wrote:The responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM. Yourself and others elected to the Chairman, someone who would not meet these criteria. Which even with all the hard work of the other CSM members makes CSM 8 look like a joke. It is hard to take CSM8 seriously with a clown at the head of the organization, look at Australia a few years ago, the rest of the world was laughing at us for having someone short enough to be a jockey as Prime minister. You have given a wishy washy explanation of how you are right, completely denying the fact that the CSM White Paper is there, listing out what the chairman has to do. It is a cold hard fact in pdf form, you deny it, even though you can't get a much more solid fact. You were wrong as you have been in the past, which is why I will not bother wasting my time going over old threads, which so you were wrong at times, like everyone else because you will just make excuses as to why you are right and the facts are wrong.
Wait, so height is a job requirement in OZ? Peter Dinklage is underwhelmed. You'd prefer a full height sister lovin low IQ mong over a man who is a practical, intellectual, and political genius because he's short? |

Frying Doom
2518
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:49:00 -
[299] - Quote
Manfred Hideous wrote:
Wait, so height is a job requirement in OZ? Peter Dinklage is underwhelmed. You'd prefer a full height sister lovin low IQ mong over a man who is a practical, intellectual, and political genius because he's short?
No I would have preferred the politician who didn't end up with an arrest warrant for war crimes, because he was too busy kissing the USAs butt.
He was a laughing stock even though his a lot of his policies were good and subsequently, he over reached. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10725
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:51:00 -
[300] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Still waiting on those examples, Frying. Without even bothering to go through your posts The CSM white paper clearly states CSM White Paper wrote:The responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM. Yourself and others elected to the Chairman, someone who would not meet these criteria. Which even with all the hard work of the other CSM members makes CSM 8 look like a joke. It is hard to take CSM8 seriously with a clown at the head of the organization, look at Australia a few years ago, the rest of the world was laughing at us for having someone short enough to be a jockey as Prime minister. You have given a wishy washy explanation of how you are right, completely denying the fact that the CSM White Paper is there, listing out what the chairman has to do. It is a cold hard fact in pdf form, you deny it, even though you can't get a much more solid fact. You were wrong as you have been in the past, which is why I will not bother wasting my time going over old threads, which so you were wrong at times, like everyone else because you will just make excuses as to why you are right and the facts are wrong.
No sorry buddy, that's not what was asked for, and that's a pretty 3/10 must try harder attempt at a sidetrack by the way. You accused me of never admitting when I am wrong. I call bullshit. Either produce evidence or admit that it's not true.
Where are the links of me refusing to admit error when I am demonstrably wrong as a matter of fact?
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10725
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:07:00 -
[301] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Still waiting on those examples, Frying. Without even bothering to go through your posts The CSM white paper clearly states CSM White Paper wrote:The responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM.
It's traditional to put a footnote declaring "Emphasis mine".
Let me recast that paper for you - Emphasis mine.
"The responsibilities of [the Chairman and Vice-Chairman] are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM."
Trebs handles communcations with CCP; Jester does an excellent job of handling communcation with the community. Every single previous CSM has evolved and refined the duties and competencies of both the officers and the ordinary members, and CSM8 has been no exception.
And on a closing note, when you broke the forum rule against making personal attacks, you did so particularly unwisely. Firstly you made it against a person with far more intelligence, and far greater respect from the community than yourself, secondly, you made it against a person whom I count as a friend, and third and most egregiously of all, you were so very incautious as to use a term that applies infinitely better to you than to him:
clown
noun 1. a comic performer, as in a circus, theatrical production, or the like, who wears an outlandish costume and makeup and entertains by pantomiming common situations or actions in exaggerated or ridiculous fashion, by juggling or tumbling, etc.
2. a person who acts like a clown; comedian; joker; buffoon; jester.
3. a prankster; a joker.
4. Slang. a coarse, ill-bred person; a boor.
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Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
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Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Still waiting on those examples, Frying. Without even bothering to go through your posts The CSM white paper clearly states CSM White Paper wrote:The responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM. It's traditional to put a footnote declaring "Emphasis mine". Let me recast that paper for you - Emphasis mine. "The responsibilities of [ the Chairman and Vice-Chairman] are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM." Trebs handles communcations with CCP; Jester does an excellent job of handling communcation with the community. Every single previous CSM has evolved and refined the duties and competencies of both the officers and the ordinary members, and CSM8 has been no exception. And on a closing note, when you broke the forum rule against making personal attacks, you did so particularly unwisely. Firstly you made it against a person with far more intelligence, and far greater respect from the community than yourself, secondly, you made it against a person whom I count as a friend, and third and most egregiously of all, you were so very incautious as to use a term that applies infinitely better to you than to him: clownnoun 1. a comic performer, as in a circus, theatrical production, or the like, who wears an outlandish costume and makeup and entertains by pantomiming common situations or actions in exaggerated or ridiculous fashion, by juggling or tumbling, etc. 2. a person who acts like a clown; comedian; joker; buffoon; jester. 3. a prankster; a joker. 4. Slang. a coarse, ill-bred person; a boor.
Cool! I'm a clown going by def 3 (and maybe 4)! :)
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:23:00 -
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And Conjunction Used to connect words of the same part of speech, clauses, or sentences that are to be taken jointly: "bread and butter". Noun A Boolean operator that gives the value one if and only if all the operands are one and otherwise has a value of zero.
OR Conjunction Used to link alternatives: "a cup of tea or coffee"; "are you coming or not?". Noun A Boolean operator that gives the value one if at least one operand (or input) has a value of one, and otherwise has a value of zero. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:30:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Every single previous CSM has evolved and refined the duties and competencies of both the officers and the ordinary members, and CSM8 has been no exception.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:33:00 -
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In short your error is to treat the white paper as a set of binding immutable laws when every evidence and precedent shows that they're subject to continuous alteration and discretionary interpretation by both CCP and the CSM.
Now run along and hilariously climb into a car with 14 other ill-bred buffoons, pranksters and coarse, ill-bred persons.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:16:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Now run along and hilariously climb into a car with 14 other ill-bred buffoons, pranksters and coarse, ill-bred persons.
The Houses of Parliament appear to have shrunk in numbers somewhat.. oh wait wrong thread.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:27:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:In short your error is to treat the white paper as a set of binding immutable laws when every evidence and precedent shows that they're subject to continuous alteration and discretionary interpretation by both CCP and the CSM.
Now run along and hilariously climb into a car with 14 other ill-bred buffoons, pranksters and coarse, ill-bred persons. So what your saying is that the White paper should just be ignored.
And its creation had nothing to do with the CSM7 chairman being AWOL and the Vice-Chairman being uncommunicative.
Oh and I presume the CSM7 secretary doing nothing at all was just them using discretionary interpretation. 
Edit: Also maybe now you can tell us how CCP is also interpreting the White Paper, so they can ignore it and invite the brown noses to Iceland. Not like everyone couldn't see that coming. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

mmorpg lol
Carebear Reducation
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:32:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:In short your error is to treat the white paper as a set of binding immutable laws when every evidence and precedent shows that they're subject to continuous alteration and discretionary interpretation by both CCP and the CSM.
Now run along and hilariously climb into a car with 14 other ill-bred buffoons, pranksters and coarse, ill-bred persons.
But Malcanis, everyone knows that Flying Doom determines how things work around here, so you better fall in line or its the highway for you! |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:27:00 -
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Starting a discussion that is based on remarks that got the original thread locked in the first place, is in essence circumventing forum moderation. On top of that, this thread is also rife with insults and personal attacks. Both reasons are good enough on their own to warrant a lock.
So be it. ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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