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Kelgen Thann	Posted - 2005.12.07 23:22:00 - [1] Ok in RMR will Capital ships be able to enter Deadspace Complexes?? I was wondering because if you bring in a tanked mothership or a Dreadnaught in SIege mode you could clear out any and all 10/10 and lower complexes by having the Capital ship agro the majority of the contents . the potential Cash creation here would throw out the game and the abundance of Faction BS BPC's will be insane! It should be made so A Capital ship cannot enter a Deadspace Complex
Tauruz	Posted - 2005.12.07 23:29:00 - [2] All you need atm is an Inty and a HAC and you can clear most 10/10 complex. Not sure why you'd want to use a really slow ship like a carrier?
Kelgen Thann	Posted - 2005.12.07 23:33:00 - [3] beyond the 1st level, the first level is easy I mean taking it all the way to the end. killing the resident officer
Tauruz	Posted - 2005.12.07 23:35:00 - [4] yep, all the way. inty and hac!
jbob2000	Posted - 2005.12.07 23:37:00 - [5] From what i've heard, capital ships will not be able to enter complexes. I don't even think dreads can.
Dust Angel	Posted - 2005.12.07 23:39:00 - [6] As it is, dreads can enter 10/10s. And you can do a 10/10 serpentis with 2 ships easily.
Beast Rabban	Posted - 2005.12.08 00:02:00 - [7] Well a mothership could solo a 10/10 if it can enter. Fighters should be able to *****everything.
Darpz	Posted - 2005.12.08 00:22:00 - [8] gisti harpy with a full complement of fighters assigned to it :) will own just about everything Originally by: TomB Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut? Yup.
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.08 01:42:00 - [9] full damage muninn cannot break tanks of bosses in 6/10 sansha (which it tanks easily)... wtf you guys smoking on this? couldn't even break with a full damage retribution flying wing... we are not talking level one... can do that in a fricking claw... _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship their Missing Bonus in RMR! <END TRANSMISSION>
Wulfgard	Posted - 2005.12.08 05:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Tauruz yep, all the way. inty and hac! I understand the tanking-avoid getting hit part but as Weirda pointed it out, you still lack the dps to break thru the officers tank. Or may be minmatar HACs really stink
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.12.08 06:03:00 - [11] I've seen some 1-2mil BSes that've tanked cruise missile ravens, and a 2.5mil that a torp Raven took a damn long time to kill. If you people can run 10/10s with just a HAC and Inty, and you can break the tanks, please let me know what your fitting and DPs are? Even if every mod you fit is faction, that's still not THAT much damage... ------------------------------------ Inappropriate signature -zhuge
NTRabbit	Posted - 2005.12.08 06:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Wulfgard Originally by: Tauruz yep, all the way. inty and hac! I understand the tanking-avoid getting hit part but as Weirda pointed it out, you still lack the dps to break thru the officers tank. Or may be minmatar HACs really stink Inty and an arma does the whole thing just fine - and you can even insure the arma --------
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.08 06:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Wulfgard Originally by: Tauruz yep, all the way. inty and hac! I understand the tanking-avoid getting hit part but as Weirda pointed it out, you still lack the dps to break thru the officers tank. Or may be minmatar HACs really stink Minmatar HACs have the lowest damage output of any of the HACs. Fighters may be rather interesting in a complex, as they only have a 125m sig resolution. Harry Voyager ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
LWMaverick	Posted - 2005.12.08 07:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Harry Voyager Originally by: Wulfgard Originally by: Tauruz yep, all the way. inty and hac! I understand the tanking-avoid getting hit part but as Weirda pointed it out, you still lack the dps to break thru the officers tank. Or may be minmatar HACs really stink Minmatar HACs have the lowest damage output of any of the HACs. Harry Voyager you GOT to be kidding me!?! Have you tried flying a sacrilege?! kthxbye With great power, comes great responsibility.
Riley Craven	Posted - 2005.12.08 07:39:00 - [15] You guys seem to forget one thing tho. Fighters have their own warp drive and can be assigned to people by carrier pilots. There is no reason for the carrier to actaully enter the complex. That just seems really stupid to take such a high risk with such a slow ship.
Kipkruide	Posted - 2005.12.08 09:24:00 - [16] point is that the shansa complex 10/10 is a whole different ballgame from the ones they are doing.
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2005.12.08 09:31:00 - [17] Edited by: Zyrla Bladestorm on 08/12/2005 09:31:38 Fighters likely won't be able to warp into a complex due to the deadspace pocket, nor will they have the smarts to use the acceleration gates I should think. Edit add : no capital afterburners place somewhat of a limit on how quickly a capital ship could be worked through a complex anyhow. . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Exelon Bei	Posted - 2005.12.08 11:27:00 - [18] im n00b, but i thought 10/10 complexes would be realy hard to do, and being something thats not often finished. And that you would need alot more than just a BS and a industreal
Surfie	Posted - 2005.12.08 11:28:00 - [19] Err... fly mothership through gate... enter first stage, first thing you do... start flying towards the next gate... aggro... kill... jump and repeat. Dreads can enter 10/10's.
Glassback	Posted - 2005.12.08 12:44:00 - [20] Carriers/Titans etc are gona be built and contolled by well organsed and well off corps. Any number of the corps who will be able to build and use these things are more than capable of farming 10/10's anyway with currently available ships. If they are taken into complexes, it will more likley be for the hell of it, or to test them. After the initial "Ohhh, look a Titan owning a 10/10" I think the novelty will wear off. You are not gone see some lvl 4 mission runner soloing anything in a carrier, let alone flying one. G. I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about
Lygos	Posted - 2005.12.08 12:51:00 - [21] Seems like a superweapon would also obliterate all the cans in the process. So most of the profit of a 10/10 would evaporate. I really don't know anything about it though. Targetting Sig Variance -- "Everything I love is combustible."
StarLite	Posted - 2005.12.08 13:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Lygos Seems like a superweapon would also obliterate all the cans in the process. So most of the profit of a 10/10 would evaporate. I really don't know anything about it though. Have you EVER seen complex loot? It's absolutely PATHETIC, only 10% of the ships actually DROP a can, and the ones that do contain basic nanofibers or small pulse lasers.... And yes: 1 hac and 3 BS can easily clean out ANY 10/10 complex completely without any trouble. Go in with 30 unorganized BS and you all die before stage 3 tho :P The key here is Skill [you need a LOT of skills to do it] and the correct [expensive] setup :) ___________________________________________________
fairimear	Posted - 2005.12.08 13:27:00 - [23] and the word of the fairbair is law once again, u should listen to me more kel
Lygos	Posted - 2005.12.08 13:49:00 - [24] Originally by: StarLite The key here is Skill [you need a LOT of skills to do it] and the correct [expensive] setup :) Well, I suppose using a remote boosted AF to tank while the rest snipe is "skill" of some sort. I would have prefered to think of it as applied mathematical knowledge, but whatever floats your boat. Targetting Sig Variance -- "Everything I love is combustible."
Niki Silver	Posted - 2005.12.08 13:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Exelon Bei im n00b Quite right Originally by: Exelon Bei And that you would need alot more than just a BS and a industreal An "Inty" is an interceptor, not an industrial, that would be an "Indy".
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2005.12.08 13:52:00 - [26] The carrier rep ability would come in handy to keep an inty or such a line thow. ------------------------------------------------- Contribute to the buy Hohenheim a carrier fund in game now!
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.12.08 13:53:00 - [27] Why remote boosted? You can tank perfectly fine running AB and some Core X repairer or Gistii Shield booster.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.08 14:15:00 - [28] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/12/2005 14:16:30 Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Why remote boosted? You can tank perfectly fine running AB and some Core X repairer or Gistii Shield booster. Not a 10/10. A 10/10 needs a remote repped assault frig. Remote repping apoc+ assault frig+ how many damage dealers you feel like bringing, 2 being the low end number of high damage dealing ships to bring if you wanna finish this side of the next downtime. There's some additional issues tho, not so much in doing the complex itself, but in getting it for yourself to start on it in the first place. There's few things in Eve worth fighting over as much as complex systems. edit: as to original topic, anyone taking a capitol ship into a complex in 0.0 is a fool, period. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.12.08 14:20:00 - [29] Originally by: StarLite Have you EVER seen complex loot? It's absolutely PATHETIC, only 10% of the ships actually DROP a can, and the ones that do contain basic nanofibers or small pulse lasers.... you do know why people do complexes, right?
without	Posted - 2005.12.08 16:28:00 - [30] anyone know what the lowest complex a dred can enter is. IE can it enter say a 5/10 and higher. or just limited to 10/10 thanks
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.08 17:21:00 - [31] Originally by: without anyone know what the lowest complex a dred can enter is. IE can it enter say a 5/10 and higher. or just limited to 10/10 thanks I had no idea it could even enter any. Like i said, it serves no purpose to have it in a complex, as it will be much easier and faster to do the complex with 3 ships then with one dread. Not to mention that dread aint moving fast if it cant kill the frigs. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.08 17:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Harry Voyager Originally by: Wulfgard Originally by: Tauruz yep, all the way. inty and hac! I understand the tanking-avoid getting hit part but as Weirda pointed it out, you still lack the dps to break thru the officers tank. Or may be minmatar HACs really stink Minmatar HACs have the lowest damage output of any of the HACs. Fighters may be rather interesting in a complex, as they only have a 125m sig resolution. Harry Voyager @harry wrong. muninn can be one of the most damaging hac if fitted that way (which it was for complex). ask meridus... @others weirda is just flatly stating that ppl who say they can take 6-10/10 complexes in inty and hac are completely full of ****, plain and simple. anyone who wishes to contend this, weirda will come to anyplace in inty and join you for your uber slaughter fest. problem is that most ppl do a level or three of a complex, and never come up against the guy that have a billion shields and tripple reppers running on him and think 'wow you could do this in a hac'... crap - weirda thought that could easily do the whole thing in crusader solo until that point... anyway - it would be nice if ppl would stop lying about that or making stuff up. it is really kind of sad when someone who knows you are full of crap see you spouting off... _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship their Missing Bonus in RMR! <END TRANSMISSION>
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.08 17:29:00 - [33] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/12/2005 17:30:42 Weird, you can actually do a 6/10 in just a BS, if its quite uber. Alternatively, you can do it in a AF+BS, if said BS is high damage with a decent ammo clip (as in: tempest tends to have trouble cause of reloading mid-slaughter). About the 10/10 bit, let's just say that it's technically possible to do with two ships. Even with just one, if you have time. However, in most cases people bring more then the minimum if not becuase it saves them time, and makes it less of a bore. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Wulfgard	Posted - 2005.12.08 18:14:00 - [34] An Arma fitted w/ 7 Megabeams T2, 5 Heatsinks T2, Max Gunnery skills (BS, Beam Spec to 5, ect...) will not break the tank of the 10/10 Boss. I based this assumption on me soloing the queen in a 5/10 drones (barely kills it as respwan keeps interupting the fight... I would imagine 10/10 would have even tougher boss). Plus a solo BS would take too much time clearing a lvl, on hard level all you would end up doing, is farming the lvl forever and be unable to jump to next stage due constant resapwn? The best HAC, atm, doesn't outdmg a gankedon. Even if you add up the interceptor firepower, the boss with billionz hp and triple armor rep of dooom, with infinite cap will laugh at your face for believing fairytales read in the Eve-forums Let's face it, we would all love to pwn a 10/10 with a wingman, but the reality is miles away from such dream
Thudders	Posted - 2005.12.08 19:39:00 - [35] I solo'd a 10/10 with my troll rogue.
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.08 19:50:00 - [36] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/12/2005 17:30:42 Weird, you can actually do a 6/10 in just a BS, if its quite uber. absolutely. weirda is referring to all of the inty+hac statements. they are simply not true. maybe guristas are especially lame and don't have uber tanking bosses, but all of the different (sansha/angel/blood) ones that weirda have done solo, or with AF/Inty wing have been impossible to break tank of boss - with max possible damage setups (well - the most you can if you are running with those two ships) - i.e. muninn with one repper and all gyros, and even Heavy ML (with best damage type in both). have broken tank in BS solo, but as you said, getting to the boss even in a solo BS takes much much longer then with HAC, or HAC + something combo. as stated though - would love to come along in an inty with a HAC and have them show me how the boss' tank can be broken. _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship their Missing Bonus in RMR! <END TRANSMISSION>
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.12.08 19:52:00 - [37] I'd love to see fraps of people killing ultima wit ANY fleet, bonus points for just using an inty and HAC though. ------------------------------------ Inappropriate signature -zhuge
keepiru	Posted - 2005.12.08 19:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Weirda as stated though - would love to come along in an inty with a HAC and have them show me how the boss' tank can be broken. My CEO has done a blood 6/10 in his ishtar with a wolf wingman a few times i think. He uses corpum reps tho... However, mostly they do it in navythron/machariel, or solo navythron. ------------- Where are the named 800mm Plates and Mega Ions, CCP?
Altrex Stoppel	Posted - 2005.12.08 19:58:00 - [39] Edited by: Altrex Stoppel on 08/12/2005 20:01:44 Edited by: Altrex Stoppel on 08/12/2005 19:58:55 Originally by: Weirda full damage muninn cannot break tanks of bosses in 6/10 sansha (which it tanks easily)... wtf you guys smoking on this? couldn't even break with a full damage retribution flying wing... we are not talking level one... can do that in a fricking claw... Put this in your pipe and shmoke it. Taranis and an Eagle spanking a 10/10 down... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=250044 Plus I know people who run 8/10s with 2 Bses... If you know what you're doing and go slow its possible.
Black 1	Posted - 2005.12.08 20:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Weirda weirda is just flatly stating that ppl who say they can take 6-10/10 complexes in inty and hac are completely full of ****, plain and simple. anyone who wishes to contend this, weirda will come to anyplace in inty and join you for your uber slaughter fest. hrhr, that 1.75M Bs is a pain in the @ss tbh. mine the last boss of the 6/10 is easily kills :P
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.08 20:06:00 - [41] yes well. Ive dont forst two levels and one hangar of the serpentis 10/10 alone too. Which doesn't prove much tbh, since it took me all day and i needed to get out and back in twice to get new ammo for my megathron :p Inty+eagle can do ti for one reason only: inty aggro's all and runs around, eagle snipedd away frigs first and then chews up the cruisers and bs that dont hit the inty anyway. However, it takes ages. And would you have come to the final level, you would probably not have had enough ammo in your eagle to finish the station off, since it has insane structure hp's. You cannot refill once you've gone through the final gate. However, a zealot might be able to do it paired with an inty. Still would take ages tho, and you'd be quite open to agression all teh time apart from the time you are in the last level. Since none of the others need keys. In tq reality, that means the serpentis 10/10 are fought over. Who controls the system gets the complex. That hard part is getting the system, not doing the complex. And anyway, why do it with two ships if you can do it with 7 and be doen in an hour ? _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
aeti	Posted - 2005.12.08 20:11:00 - [42] because then the loot is split between 2 chars, and not more and its not as if you have to do it fast enough to finish before a respawn with these things
dazedandconfused	Posted - 2005.12.08 20:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Tauruz yep, all the way. inty and hac! kind of off topic, but how well does an inty tank say in a 5/10 complex? i normally use a retribution, brother uses his geddon. would a crusader be able tank say the hive in a 5/10 drone complex, with no remote help thanks!
Weirda	Posted - 2005.12.08 20:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Altrex Stoppel Edited by: Altrex Stoppel on 08/12/2005 20:01:44 Edited by: Altrex Stoppel on 08/12/2005 19:58:55 Originally by: Weirda full damage muninn cannot break tanks of bosses in 6/10 sansha (which it tanks easily)... wtf you guys smoking on this? couldn't even break with a full damage retribution flying wing... we are not talking level one... can do that in a fricking claw... Put this in your pipe and shmoke it. Taranis and an Eagle spanking a 10/10 down... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=250044 Plus I know people who run 8/10s with 2 Bses... If you know what you're doing and go slow its possible. from that thread: Quote: Basically, i did some experimenting on SiSi to how easy 10/10 complexs are. We did this is an Eagle and a Tanaris :) We could have gone further but the eagle pilot had to log Anyway... didn't see one of the 'real' bosses drop... so statement still stands... putting in pipe and smoking anyways (weirda always up for a new high).... can assure you that an eagle isn't breaking the tank of anything like that... next? _____________ Thread Killer Give Assault Ship their Missing Bonus in RMR! <END TRANSMISSION>
Boonaki	Posted - 2005.12.08 22:09:00 - [45] I imagine if they can, the 10/10's will be changed so there's a dread NPC sitting there waiting for your mothership. I don't want to see an NPC with siege mode. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Kiraxis	Posted - 2006.01.01 03:22:00 - [46] /me takes a long hard drag from the pipe. Wow. I want more of what most people here are smoking. Destroying the sanshas 10/10 complex isnt simply killing the pansy 1.1 mill bounty BS's in there. The real money is in station ultima, and you still have to kill the first station in level 1 as well. Your telling me that you killed station ultima's ridiculous tank with one hac, and one inty? Please. You couldnt even tickle station ultima with the best mods in the game on your hac. Cheers.

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