Silly maths - you should have boosts for the attackers too - its not like the people who would like the mothership to stay around don't have boost characters or can't afford a proteus.

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Yes I did, my bad. As an aside, would have noticed it if it was written like the other one with assumption before it.

you could instead, i dont know, stop whining about people actually running PvP the way they want?

you could instead, i dont know, stop whining about people actually running incursions the way they were meant to be run?

B... Bu... But risk free isk printing.

Just run tornados and pop shiney battelships your tears millage will be much higher

I just don't know if there are enough people angry enough to stop the griefers.

Angry about what? Someone running incursions the way they were meant to be run?

The problems with using Tornado's are several, including cost of ship/ mod's. and SP requirements, and the quantity of ships required.

Assume for a moment that skill training times nor ship costs are not an issue.

A poorly skilled Tornado pilot can dish out a little less than 10K alpha, a well-skilled more.
So let's call it 10K/ ship.

Most BS's in the shield fleets run in the 2-4 billion range, including hull cost.
You can expect 1.0-1.5 billion in loot to drop from that 4.0 billion ISK ship, less obviously for the cheaper versions.
So that mitigates the losses.

A long, long time ago I used to play WoW on a server with a high aussie TZ activity, and we relentlessly killed the healers on the same TZ opposing guild, and in time, those healers stopped running arenas because it sucks being primary all the time, leaving that guild with useless warriors and unsupported rogues.

ie if you seek to punish the logis all the time, you may be able modify the group behavior, as the space priests will dry up pretty quick if they always bear the consequences of the group actions.

Ah an arguement as old as online gaming. I remember an event back in EQ where most people wanted to farm special mobs that would pop up but it went completely counter to the spirit of the event, they would scream and holler and promise vile horrific death to anyone that dared do the event as intended.

Only difference is that in eve you have to power to enforce your view on how the incursions should work like this fellow seems to be trying to.

If you want to farm isk, go to nullsec.

Infiltrate their fleets with some logi. These are guaranteed jams as they just turn off their reps. Lets say it is a ten logi mom fleet, if you use a mere eight blackbirds and five infiltrator logi then you have cut their rep power in half by your infiltrators and should be able to almost eliminate it with the jams.

The infiltrator logi have plausible deniability and are likely to be covered by some form of ship replace policy if they are destroyed. So this should be zero cost and their cover remains intact. Eight blackbirds should be less cost than one tornado for much more effect.

If you had the numbers you would probably be better harassing them with a destroyer fleet by sitting at their dock up station and ganking them as they undocked then telling them in no uncertain terms that the reason they got ganked was whatever issue you have with them.

I have never been sure how it worked but could you not neut out an off grid booster? Doing this should change the numbers more in your favour too.

Wanted to add that if you did use infiltrators then make sure to get your jammers to throw a cycle on them in case they get killed by sansha as this will generate a killmail and keep their cover.

You are talking about people whose income is in the billions each week. The time may be a problem but the isk is not. With the addition of multiple character training on an account it should be fairly painless to train an alt for this purpose. Especially when the pleasure of sticking it to your enemies really hard, and maybe even repeatedly, far outweighs any isk cost.

Perhaps this is more suited to crime and punishment people as they are likely to have more rep alts readily available.

Time will tell if players are motivated enough to try to stop them.

Failures in the plan.
A. An acceptable Logi pilot takes a few months to train.
B. No good fleet allows anyone to run more than one Logi'
C. All logis must be on coms. failure to respond to coms results in getting Kicked from fleet.
D. Nobody get to logi in a good fleet without having spent a couple months getting checked out.
E. Average EVE players don't dedicate that much time for a single 'chance' to see a fleet die in one possible site.

Not to argue with your point D Goldiiee, but I'd just like to mention that I ran one time with a major incursion comunity as a logi for about 2 hours before I was invited into the big boy channel. Someone in the fleet even loaned me their basi with no collateral since mine didn't quite fit the bill at the time. I ended up upgrading his basi to t2 hackers since I could use them. Hee hee.

Ah an arguement as old as online gaming. I remember an event back in EQ where most people wanted to farm special mobs that would pop up but it went completely counter to the spirit of the event, they would scream and holler and promise vile horrific death to anyone that dared do the event as intended.

Only difference is that in eve you have to power to enforce your view on how the incursions should work like this fellow seems to be trying to.

A. An acceptable Logi pilot takes a few months to train.
B. No good fleet allows anyone to run more than one Logi'
C. All logis must be on coms. failure to respond to coms results in getting Kicked from fleet.
D. Nobody get to logi in a good fleet without having spent a couple months getting checked out.
E. Average EVE players don't dedicate that much time for a single 'chance' to see a fleet die in one possible site.

When will the ganker theorist understand that we keep alts on gates for a reason. We see you land on gate with a gank fleet. We will sacrifice that alt to preload concord on the grid and laugh as you burn.

Edited for brevity

EVE players do wait patiently (Sometimes) months and years to rain death and destruction on their enemies, Incursion runners wait hours to make enough ISK to bury the patient player in bureaucracy with annoying troll comments in local while docked up in a 20billion isk ship and dual boxing on their PVP toon in nul.

You have fleets of 20 billion isk ships.

I think that when the general eve population knows this you will be flying pods rather rapidly.