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Robert Saint
Playright
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Posted - 2013.07.12 20:56:00 -
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So EVE is a difficult game to figure out, as I try to balance my personal understanding of what Player Vs Player is.
Although, I have my personal view of what PVP, I would very much like to hear what anyone who is brave enough to post in GD.... as would others who read these threads.
Post with your MAIN, otherwise you're missing the point.
1) What is PVP to you? 2) Why do you like it?
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Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
90
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:02:00 -
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Respect. 
The Market is my main pvp that I participate in personally. I have a econ degree and have always enjoyed numbers and business deals and EVE is perfect for that in the fact that as there is a ton of great competition.
I also fund some forms of ship to ship pvp to help those that enjoy EVE combat continue to do so at reasonable rates. 
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Anna Djan
Banana Corp
54
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:05:00 -
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I try and solo pvp.
The game i like is if i can out think my opponent or achieve over the odds and win, based upon my knowledge of what i'm sporting compared to what they are bring and their experience. It doesn't always work out, but it's fun none the less :) |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15461
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:10:00 -
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1) It is exactly that: player versus player. No more, no less. 2) Because other players can offer a level of opposition that scripting can never dream of. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Robert Saint
Playright
93
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:1) It is exactly that: player versus player. No more, no less. 2) Because other players can offer a level of opposition that scripting can never dream of.
You post often and I enjoy your well rounded thoughts.
Tell me, describe your ideal Player VS Player scenario where you find the most gaming thrill? |

BiscuitMonsterr
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:17:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:So EVE is a difficult game to figure out, as I try to balance my personal understanding of what Player Vs Player is.
Although, I have my personal view of what PVP, I would very much like to hear what anyone who is brave enough to post in GD.... as would others who read these threads.
Post with your MAIN, otherwise you're missing the point.
1) What is PVP to you? 2) Why do you like it?
1) To me, PvP is difficult, complicated, boring and pointless. I don't enjoy it, I'm no good at it, and in 10 years of MMOs, I've not yet ever felt I'm missing out on much by avoiding it. The closest I come to 'participating' in PvP is when I successfully come back from losec after a ninja mining trip without encountering another player; I consider those times PvP victories.
2) I don't. |

Robert Saint
Playright
93
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:28:00 -
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BiscuitMonsterr wrote:
1) To me, PvP is difficult, complicated, boring and pointless. I don't enjoy it, I'm no good at it, and in 10 years of MMOs, I've not yet ever felt I'm missing out on much by avoiding it. The closest I come to 'participating' in PvP is when I successfully come back from losec after a ninja mining trip without encountering another player; I consider those times PvP victories.
2) I don't.
This is a fantastic and honest answer..
thank you!
Question though: You most likely have played a game of Monopoly with someone before on the kitchen table. That is PVP in a sense, why is online so different? Is it the bully mentality that comes across? |

Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:55:00 -
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Any gameplay element, combat or otherwise in which the skills, experience and abilities of one player are pitted against another and one emerges the benefactor or victor.
Market trading is PvP (you're pitting your trading abilities and industrial abilities against other traders).
Avoiding PvP is PvP (you're pitting your ability to avoid combat against another's ability to hunt you down).
Scamming is PvP - your ability to be an ******* against other players' ability not to be gullible jackanapes.
Even "PvE" in low/null sec is really PvP, because you're pitting your ability to complete some piece of automated content before real players track you down and interfere.
And, yes, of course basic combat PvP is PvP. This, for some reason, seems to be what some people think is the be-all-end-all of PvP is, but of course they're wrong and I'm right.
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Whackx
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:56:00 -
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Winning through knowledge, creative thinking and timing rather than critical hits or grinded leet loot. That's what PVP means to me as an EVE and Quake player. |

Schmata Bastanold
Keep It Burning Stupid
880
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:01:00 -
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Eve has sound? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
459
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:01:00 -
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To me, PvP is pitting myself in an adversarial role against another player directly. Yes, the market is PvP, hell yes it is. But face-to-face, or at least ship-to-ship combat, is what it's all about.
Why do I like PvP? Knowing that on the other end of it, is a person. Not some bullshit (oh, no, I said that word, someone make a thread about it) AI program, but another human. It's competition, and I enjoy that. I enjoy the hunt, I enjoy roaming around looking for people to kill. And I enjoy knowing that my actions have an actual effect on a person, not simply some program that will respawn soon anyway.
In particular, I like the PvP in EVE because it represents actual loss. I like costing somebody a ship, or having to go get myself another one after I get blown up. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Robert Saint
Playright
94
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:05:00 -
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Verunae Caseti wrote:Any gameplay element, combat or otherwise in which the skills, experience and abilities of one player are pitted against another and one emerges the benefactor or victor.
Verunae, I agree with your above statement.
Do you feel that it is more rewarding to win in a PVP matchup if the odds are somewhat technically equal, and your skill was the deciding factor? Or are you perfectly comfortable being part of a gang that defeats a solo player that didn't have a chance?
Which is more rewarding to you? Or are they the same value?
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Seven Koskanaiken
Clan Steel Wolves
254
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:19:00 -
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"It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail." |

Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
1331
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:19:00 -
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It's like when a fly is caught in the spider's web, struggling silently to save his life. There's something morbidly charming about that. Oh god. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:27:00 -
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I'm pretty new to PvP myself. I mostly enjoy skulking around in my SB looking for soft targets or black ops fleets.
i should really get in scrub ship fleets and get better but my god i love bombers. freelance space bum |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
459
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:28:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:Verunae Caseti wrote:Any gameplay element, combat or otherwise in which the skills, experience and abilities of one player are pitted against another and one emerges the benefactor or victor.
Verunae, I agree with your above statement. Do you feel that it is more rewarding to win in a PVP matchup if the odds are somewhat technically equal, and your skill was the deciding factor? Or are you perfectly comfortable being part of a gang that defeats a solo player that didn't have a chance? Which is more rewarding to you? Or are they the same value?
To me, a kill is a kill. It means someone failed, and/or someone succeeded. Whether I succeeded in scouting him out and hunting him down with my gang, or whether I beat him straight up, it's still a kill.
Most people don't take the thought into account that there are a lot of factors besides "Oh they just had more people". No. They were better prepared than you, they batphoned faster/more efficiently than you did, they had a better fleet comp.
Or, you just didn't watch where you were going. A failure on your part is as good as a success on your adversary's part.
[Edit: Also, I reject the concept of equality as far it goes to "fair fights". No fights are fair and equal, except things like chess. And chess is boring as hell. Things being mixed up, different capabilities across the board, that's what make thing interesting. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Alavaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:29:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:I'm pretty new to PvP myself. I mostly enjoy skulking around in my SB looking for soft targets or black ops fleets. PvP has taken a new turn in which I shoot torpedos at TEST Alliance Please Ignore (and various pets) structures.
I hear it "generates content" for them when they need to show up for the resulting timer.
Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward. Join Siegefleet, shoot structure, click participation link.
My main is out of sub ... NO, STOP BEING POOR |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
433
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:34:00 -
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PvP to me is the classic FPS definition: Player (human) vs Player (human) duking it out on a battlefield.
Not bots.
Not IsBox.
Not markets.
When I'm in arenas in WoW, that's not a NPC I'm fighting. He's not a BG IsBoxer. He's not playing the AH on his Android. He's a human in the same arena looking to kill an opponent. He has his UI and all setup for higher level of play; got his PvP addons and macros; and I'm there with my own (and in WoW if you don't have them, you're going to be clobbered). Who wins is who either came in with better/novel comps or more clever in countering attacks (which takes a lot of studying and you got to really know your class). The thrill is acing a higher ranked team as they're suppose to fight better.
Anything less is automation or non-fighting activities and just might as well call it PvE.
Markets I consider PvE, as well as Tradeskilling, as it's activity without direct armed combat. Something to do after the war, not the war itself.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Robert Saint
Playright
96
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:36:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
To me, a kill is a kill. It means someone failed, and/or someone succeeded. Whether I succeeded in scouting him out and hunting him down with my gang, or whether I beat him straight up, it's still a kill.
Most people don't take the thought into account that there are a lot of factors besides "Oh they just had more people". No. They were better prepared than you, they batphoned faster/more efficiently than you did, they had a better fleet comp.
Or, you just didn't watch where you were going. A failure on your part is as good as a success on your adversary's part.
[Edit: Also, I reject the concept of equality as far it goes to "fair fights". No fights are fair and equal, except things like chess. And chess is boring as hell. Things being mixed up, different capabilities across the board, that's what make thing interesting.
That's a Fair answer.... although I do not agree with the weighted value/thrill of the kill as you do. My nephew thinks as you do, and he's a good kid.
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Djana Libra
DAB Black Legion.
261
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:36:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Eve has sound?
no |

Cpt Arareb
DisturbedGamers.
52
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:36:00 -
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pvp for me is solo/ micro gang pvp |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:37:00 -
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Alavaria wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:I'm pretty new to PvP myself. I mostly enjoy skulking around in my SB looking for soft targets or black ops fleets. PvP has taken a new turn in which I shoot torpedos at TEST Alliance Please Ignore (and various pets) structures. I hear it "generates content" for them when they need to show up for the resulting timer.
i hear you guys generated a lot of content for a bomber recently.
i can only commend this. freelance space bum |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
459
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:40:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
To me, a kill is a kill. It means someone failed, and/or someone succeeded. Whether I succeeded in scouting him out and hunting him down with my gang, or whether I beat him straight up, it's still a kill.
Most people don't take the thought into account that there are a lot of factors besides "Oh they just had more people". No. They were better prepared than you, they batphoned faster/more efficiently than you did, they had a better fleet comp.
Or, you just didn't watch where you were going. A failure on your part is as good as a success on your adversary's part.
[Edit: Also, I reject the concept of equality as far it goes to "fair fights". No fights are fair and equal, except things like chess. And chess is boring as hell. Things being mixed up, different capabilities across the board, that's what make thing interesting.
That's a Fair answer.... although I do not agree with the weighted value/thrill of the kill as you do. My nephew thinks as you do, and he's a good kid.
So, if I understand you correctly, you find more gratification in say, a 1v1 frigate/cruiser/whatever fight than in a gang roam killing singles? Fair enough, certainly.
I find as much gratification getting on comms, rolling out with the bros and going to make somebody have a bad day, whoever is unlucky enough to get caught, lol. As far as PvP goes, I have always believed in "different strokes". Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Robert Saint
Playright
96
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:42:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:PvP to me is the classic FPS definition: Player (human) vs Player (human) duking it out on a battlefield.
I've read many of your posts and you seem to find value in the match up? Like any good superhero story, it's boring if one side is too OP..
Where in EVE can you find a good match up, where you feel it was a good fight and not a "gank", but one where you and your opponent chat afterwards about the battle. Is there a magic place for this?
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Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
1331
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:45:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:one where you and your opponent chat afterwards about the battle. Is there a magic place for this?
No, Horde and Alliance aren't allowed to talk to eachother in case they hurt each other's feelings by saying mean things.
Oh god. |

Samillian
Angry Mustellid
267
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:46:00 -
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ZOOMDAKADAKDAKDA 'SPLODE!!!!!
Yup.....I think that covers it. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |

Robert Saint
Playright
96
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:49:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So, if I understand you correctly, you find more gratification in say, a 1v1 frigate/cruiser/whatever fight than in a gang roam killing singles? Fair enough, certainly.
I find as much gratification getting on comms, rolling out with the bros and going to make somebody have a bad day, whoever is unlucky enough to get caught, lol. As far as PvP goes, I have always believed in "different strokes".
I get the kicks factor you are talking about, and EVE certainly has that part covered.
It's the game of minds I find most challenging though in a PVP experience, chess or spaceships. If you don't want a challenge, then roam with a gang looking for solos to own. If you get lucky, you will find another gang and then you have a real challenge or at least close to it. I would argue the later is much more memorable to your game play and gets a rewind moment in local.
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Jyuno Terkar
Blackwater Federation Dark Tide Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:52:00 -
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PvP to me is a means to an end. I enjoy PvP when it's in pursuit of something, not just for the sake of doing it. What that PvP can be is many things, running from the honorable 1v1 to the ganks, from the small gang warfare to the blob, miners competing for asteroids to the traders selling it on the market. |

Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty
21
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Posted - 2013.07.12 23:26:00 -
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PVP, or also known as Player Vs. ***** occurs after getting blue balled multiple times by FW people who cloak and/or stab their ships. The only option to repair this is vigorous ************. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
557
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Posted - 2013.07.12 23:35:00 -
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It's something that lost ym interest slowly but surely ever since it became apaprent that a **** ton of people who participate in it spend more time/energy **** talking than actually playing the game. Win ro lose, success or defeat, you will always find someone to question your sexuality or insult your mother. I'm playing video games to chill and let the BS of a real life day go out. Not to have yet another kind fo BS to deal with.
I don't mean to say everybody is like that of course but the bad apples are still numerous. I let the people interested have fun at it and they can even interact with me when the game rules permit it but I am not really actively looking for it. |
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