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Natas Liah	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:22:00 - [1] They said they are stopping trial accounts from sending or receiving isk to players directly (i think) and stopping them making or claiming escrows, right? What is stopping the trial account guy from putting his noob shop or 1 trit on the market for like a billion isk and getting another player to buy it, hence the trial account gets the isk, it also works the other way around btw.
SengH	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:24:00 - [2] market fees :P
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:30:00 - [3] I think the whole trial account "nerf" is phenomenally stupid. Its not going to prevent any "abuse," simply shaft real players. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Irashi	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:42:00 - [4] Can't just drop a jetcan full of goods somewhere for the new account to pick up and sell on, making a profit in the process? It's a bit more hasle than just transfering money, but if you've set out to exploit something you're going to find a way to do it. __________________________________________________
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:55:00 - [5] I'm looking forward to the first whine post from a trial person who couldn't pay when he was ransomed >_> p - l - u - r
Justus Imperius	Posted - 2005.12.11 03:56:00 - [6] Add a preventative measure to stop trial chars from jettisoning :] - Justice handed by the bomb and the gun is terror elsewhere in the world I'm from.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.12.11 04:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Justus Imperius Add a preventative measure to stop trial chars from jettisoning :] Why not prevent em from undocking? ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Lucas Garin	Posted - 2005.12.11 04:18:00 - [8] Edited by: Lucas Garin on 11/12/2005 04:18:49 I think they should just put the trial accounts on a completely separate slimmed down server and eliminate them from Tranquility altogether. Make them seven day trials, and when you're ready sign up for an account and join the real game. Sure you'd have to start from scratch but seven days isn't a big deal. It would give you an opportunity to not make the same mistakes you made with your trial character and would solve the whole mess. My 0.02 anyway.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 04:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Lucas Garin Edited by: Lucas Garin on 11/12/2005 04:18:49 I think they should just put the trial accounts on a completely separate slimmed down server and eliminate them from Tranquility altogether. Make them seven day trials, and when you're ready sign up for an account and join the real game. Sure you'd have to start from scratch but seven days isn't a big deal. It would give you an opportunity to not make the same mistakes you made with your trial character and would solve the whole mess. My 0.02 anyway. And it would eliminate the whole freedom that came with a trial. If that was done 1 year ago, I would not be here today. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Oventoasted	Posted - 2005.12.11 05:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Lucas Garin Edited by: Lucas Garin on 11/12/2005 04:18:49 I think they should just put the trial accounts on a completely separate slimmed down server and eliminate them from Tranquility altogether. Make them seven day trials, and when you're ready sign up for an account and join the real game. Sure you'd have to start from scratch but seven days isn't a big deal. It would give you an opportunity to not make the same mistakes you made with your trial character and would solve the whole mess. My 0.02 anyway. And it would eliminate the whole freedom that came with a trial. If that was done 1 year ago, I would not be here today. say it aint so Shikari! you came from a trail account? - - - MMM MMM toasted
Lucas Garin	Posted - 2005.12.11 05:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Dark Shikari And it would eliminate the whole freedom that came with a trial. If that was done 1 year ago, I would not be here today. How so? Obviously it wouldn't be quite the same, but a trial server with a few hundred systems and all the basic functionality should be sufficient to give you a feel for the game and help you decide if you want to join the real thing or not, which is what a trial is supposed to do.
Rafein	Posted - 2005.12.11 06:36:00 - [12] I don;t think letting them receive isk is a big exploit. Two things I would like to see, though. 1. Trial accounts can only train up to tech 1 Frigates and Cruisers. No Industrials, and no bigger combat ships, no tech 2. 2. If the trial account expires before the account is started, the account is wiped. No "free" training, by setting a long skills as the account expires, and activating it when the skill should be trained.
Ukucia	Posted - 2005.12.11 06:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Lucas Garin Originally by: Dark Shikari And it would eliminate the whole freedom that came with a trial. If that was done 1 year ago, I would not be here today. How so? Obviously it wouldn't be quite the same, but a trial server with a few hundred systems and all the basic functionality should be sufficient to give you a feel for the game and help you decide if you want to join the real thing or not, which is what a trial is supposed to do. If you want to attract new players, you don't want to just give them a sample of the gameplay. You also want them to get drawn into the community, so that they want to keep playing with their friends. If they can't play with their friends that are already in the game, then that can't happen. If they don't have any friends in the game yet and they're stuck in 'newbie universe', they're less likely to be drawn in by the rest of the community. Some random player giving a trial player 1M ISK can draw someone in far more than great gameplay.
Brastagi	Posted - 2005.12.11 06:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Rafein 1. Trial accounts can only train up to tech 1 Frigates and Cruisers. No Industrials, and no bigger combat ships, no tech 2. I'm already happy with this one --------- Watch me gravitate Ha ha ha ha ha....
Balklanac	Posted - 2005.12.11 09:24:00 - [15] You'd be suprised how much a person can do in two weeks.I was going to send 1m isk each to my friend and brother when they decide they wanna try eve.I supose Ill jet can them some zyd now.Meh I dont mind always wanted to use zyd as a form of payment, its teh shiny and green.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.11 13:48:00 - [16] I think what they are doing with the trial accounts is great. Sure theres work arounds. But what has been implemented will stop the worst of the abuse.
Blitz Hacker	Posted - 2005.12.11 14:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Lucas Garin Edited by: Lucas Garin on 11/12/2005 04:18:49 I think they should just put the trial accounts on a completely separate slimmed down server and eliminate them from Tranquility altogether. Make them seven day trials, and when you're ready sign up for an account and join the real game. Sure you'd have to start from scratch but seven days isn't a big deal. It would give you an opportunity to not make the same mistakes you made with your trial character and would solve the whole mess. My 0.02 anyway. And it would eliminate the whole freedom that came with a trial. If that was done 1 year ago, I would not be here today. I fail to see the problem.. props to the original poster. -Blitz-

Oveur	Posted - 2005.12.11 14:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Deja Thoris I think what they are doing with the trial accounts is great. Sure theres work arounds. But what has been implemented will stop the worst of the abuse. Spot on. Of course there are workarounds, but it requires you to at least move to do it now. More to come. And does it affect trial accounts converting to subscription? Of course it does, but it's the lesser of two evils. I'd rather have less subs than the abuse going rampant. Senior Producer EVE Online

Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.11 14:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Oveur And does it affect trial accounts converting to subscription? Of course it does, but it's the lesser of two evils. I'd rather have less subs than the abuse going rampant. \o/ This is why we all love eVe, I think. EvE has a good business model, it feels like a private club or a personal subscription to a spa ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Wild Rho	Posted - 2005.12.11 14:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Oveur And does it affect trial accounts converting to subscription? Of course it does, but it's the lesser of two evils. I'd rather have less subs than the abuse going rampant. And THATS what seperates CCP from other mmo developers.
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.12.11 14:50:00 - [21] It makes life difficult for Alt a abusers, whilst still letting trial players expereince the game. Theres multiple ways of working around everything. What they really need to do is dissallow trial accounts to the same email, phonenumber, address. name etc..... What ever a developer brings in people will always find a way around it, like viruses for example. I think the changes are a great step in the right direction.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 14:51:00 - [22] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2005 14:54:38 Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Deja Thoris I think what they are doing with the trial accounts is great. Sure theres work arounds. But what has been implemented will stop the worst of the abuse. Spot on. Of course there are workarounds, but it requires you to at least move to do it now. More to come. And does it affect trial accounts converting to subscription? Of course it does, but it's the lesser of two evils. I'd rather have less subs than the abuse going rampant. I don't see how this is going to help stop any sort of abuse. It will simply shaft newbies. EVE grabbed me in the first place because it had a truly unlimited trial. It will now have a trial that completely prevents a new player from even hauling his ore, let alone working with friends, etc. Might as well just cut it down to a one-day trial I personally am going to stop promoting EVE if this happens because it'll be ridiculously hard to get people to catch on if they find they have to pay to even fly an industrial ship. They won't like the fact that they can't try more than a tiny percentage of the content of the game. Trust me Oveur, this is phenomenally stupid. Now if you could explain how this would actually help stop abuse... P.S. In order to stop abuse, you have to be proactive. You're simply trying easy solutions, which in the end will do absolutely nothing. You need to either get a much larger group of GMs out there with powerful database search tools to help work against ISK sellers and the like, or to revamp mining to make it much harder to farm. Anything simpler is simply not going to cut it, and will have unintended consequences. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.

Oveur	Posted - 2005.12.11 14:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2005 14:54:38 Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Deja Thoris I think what they are doing with the trial accounts is great. Sure theres work arounds. But what has been implemented will stop the worst of the abuse. Spot on. Of course there are workarounds, but it requires you to at least move to do it now. More to come. And does it affect trial accounts converting to subscription? Of course it does, but it's the lesser of two evils. I'd rather have less subs than the abuse going rampant. I don't see how this is going to help stop any sort of abuse. It will simply shaft newbies. EVE grabbed me in the first place because it had a truly unlimited trial. It will now have a trial that completely prevents a new player from even hauling his ore, let alone working with friends, etc. Might as well just cut it down to a one-day trial I personally am going to stop promoting EVE if this happens because it'll be ridiculously hard to get people to catch on if they find they have to pay to even fly an industrial ship. They won't like the fact that they can't try more than a tiny percentage of the content of the game. Trust me Oveur, this is phenomenally stupid. Now if you could explain how this would actually help stop abuse... P.S. In order to stop abuse, you have to be proactive. You're simply trying easy solutions, which in the end will do absolutely nothing. You need to either get a much larger group of GMs out there with powerful database search tools to help work against ISK sellers and the like, or to revamp mining to make it much harder to farm. Anything simpler is simply not going to cut it, and will have unintended consequences. Usually I listen to you, but you just crossed a very fine line. Senior Producer EVE Online

Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.11 15:01:00 - [24] Edited by: Deja Thoris on 11/12/2005 15:03:10 Originally by: Dark Shikari Trust me Oveur, this is phenomenally stupid. Thats your opinion. Mine is its a good idea. There, we cancel each other out. Imo a newbie not flying an indy might take them away from the "z0mg must grind!" mentality, who knows? Anyway, why not give it a chance and see? This isnt black and white, its very gray. That means judgement is involved and there is not "right" and no "wrong" P.S. Can I have a t2 bpo from a research agent for X-Mas? Nudge-nuge wink-wink?
Galk	Posted - 2005.12.11 15:01:00 - [25] I belive what he was trying to say is that it only harms those with no ill intent. Those that will, they will anyway, unless you locked it down so tight, the trial would be pointless anyway. I understand your lesser of two evils, but obviously given the freedom of experience you have to offer in a trial, there's no real answers. ----------- She says It's only in my head She says Shhh I know it's only in my head
Commander Lock	Posted - 2005.12.11 15:06:00 - [26] I'm glad to see there's at least something being done to help stop the eBayers. When I first started playing I didn't need the full 14 days and 100% of features to realise I liked this game and wanted to subscibe. The monent I logged on I was hooked. I'm sure it doesn't apply to everyone but it just goes to show it won't stop people signing up.
Evelyne DeBoissiere	Posted - 2005.12.11 15:15:00 - [27] The measures taken do seem quite reasonable. They can still claim escrows, sell/buy on the market, run missions, pvp, mine (in cruisers) and transport smaller cargo. I doubt many newcomers heavily use the Escrow system from the start, seeing as there's quite a bit of other stuff needing to get familiarized with first ! Sure, it was very nice that the trial had no limitation ; "the game you try is the game you play" was very generous, perhaps too generous for its own good ... I just hope that this will help curbing the abuse, and that my eyes won't hurt as much with "Stop the macrominers/ISK sellers/eBayer/etc." threads that are on the General Forums :\ ------------------------------- "Sublime Feriam Sidera Vertice"
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.11 15:16:00 - [28] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2005 15:16:35 Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2005 14:54:38 Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Deja Thoris I think what they are doing with the trial accounts is great. Sure theres work arounds. But what has been implemented will stop the worst of the abuse. Spot on. Of course there are workarounds, but it requires you to at least move to do it now. More to come. And does it affect trial accounts converting to subscription? Of course it does, but it's the lesser of two evils. I'd rather have less subs than the abuse going rampant. I don't see how this is going to help stop any sort of abuse. It will simply shaft newbies. EVE grabbed me in the first place because it had a truly unlimited trial. It will now have a trial that completely prevents a new player from even hauling his ore, let alone working with friends, etc. Might as well just cut it down to a one-day trial I personally am going to stop promoting EVE if this happens because it'll be ridiculously hard to get people to catch on if they find they have to pay to even fly an industrial ship. They won't like the fact that they can't try more than a tiny percentage of the content of the game. Trust me Oveur, this is phenomenally stupid. Now if you could explain how this would actually help stop abuse... P.S. In order to stop abuse, you have to be proactive. You're simply trying easy solutions, which in the end will do absolutely nothing. You need to either get a much larger group of GMs out there with powerful database search tools to help work against ISK sellers and the like, or to revamp mining to make it much harder to farm. Anything simpler is simply not going to cut it, and will have unintended consequences. Usually I listen to you, but you just crossed a very fine line. Are you going to answer my question? As in how will this stop abuse? I really don't see newbies liking a nice little popup box that says "TRIAL ACCOUNTS CAN'T DO THIS." Your entire idea here is a complete non-sequitor to the real issue. You're damming a creek to stop the flood of a river. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.12.11 15:17:00 - [29] When I started playing alot of features of the game didn't evolve to me until at least after 3 months. It took me 1 Month to get the isk to even buy a hauler let alone the skill training. after 14 days I really don't think a genuine New player is missing out on anything.
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.12.11 15:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd When I started playing alot of features of the game didn't evolve to me until at least after 3 months. It took me 1 Month to get the isk to even buy a hauler let alone the skill training. after 14 days I really don't think a genuine New player is missing out on anything. I had a hauler my second day. I have two RL friends in EVE. They both had haulers within their first 4 days. Im not disputing whether it can be done or not. And You and your RL friends Must be the best eve players in the game for getting them so soon, well done. Mine was a random exapmle. 14days without those features that will be removed is still mroe than enough to entise someone to a game. What CCP are doing is great. The fact of the matter is. that The accounts need to be limited. Currently theres probably more Trial Account abusers than there is genuine new players, thats what needs to be fixed and this might be the only way to do it. They do it in other Online games why should EvE be any different.

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