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david1090879
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Posted - 2005.12.11 03:23:00 -
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A while ago i signed up for a 0.0 alliance leaving Inoue and mission running in empire. I have just returned to Inoue for a break and mission running in empire and see that pirate group are hanging around Erila. A lot of people i used to chat with and older mission runners are getting themselves killed in Erila, anyone who goes in erila in the late evening eve time till around 1am eve time will get fired on.
It would be nice if this group would get board and leave they know who they are. People in the first place should not take faction ships in there alone, as they are risking months of running missions for those ships and giving pirates a futher reason to stay.
Cans have been put up by the gate , still people ignore them, anyone going to Erila please take the long way around - goto Izawiza, Konola, eitu, and try and turn down any mossions in Inoue. If you have to go in there just scout first and add them to youre address book so you see when there on.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.12.11 10:42:00 -
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if it wasn't so profitable, they probably wouldn't do it.
Then again, one of them tried to kill my pod after I lost my ship out in the complex, so maybe they would.
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Hephaesteus
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Posted - 2005.12.11 11:09:00 -
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Mission running in low sec is pointles because there will always be twocers that will gank you because of your npc setup.
The weird thing is these people will say there is no risk in mission running, but are more than happy to gank the mission runners ship with absolutely no risk to themselves. Yep, they're w4nkers. |
Angelic Resolution
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Posted - 2005.12.11 11:47:00 -
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Yeah.. had a friend in a raven lose his ship + 25 mil worth of t2 components to gankers in erila..
Get's rather lame considering we where on our way to do lvl 4's in eitu.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.12.11 12:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Angelic Resolution
Yeah.. had a friend in a raven lose his ship + 25 mil worth of t2 components to gankers in erila..
Get's rather lame considering we where on our way to do lvl 4's in eitu.
I just take an extra jump.
If they would rather try and go through Erila (Where there is 5-10 gankers sitting at the gates) than go through one extra system, then that's their own fault.
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MrBadidea
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Posted - 2005.12.11 16:05:00 -
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I sat in my Buzzard there yesterday, and cried whilst watching a CN Raven get popped. The worst part is I was talking to Huff (The guys that camp out Erila), and they said they blew up about 1~1.5b worth of mods when they took it out. :((
Said, amongst other things, a Gist X-Type XL went *boom* with the CNR. Thats just wrong!
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skelminnion
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: skelminnion on 11/12/2005 17:30:32
I lost a raven to Huff and his boys in erila while mission running. I was a little bitter at first, since I did lose my best setup and source of income, but fair play to them, they are just making a living from those who are running missions. There certainly isn't anything in the rules saying they can't, and its a good deterant against everyone just mission running.
Anyone with sense (not me) would check the map for pod kills and avoid the system 
*edit* and it was actually my main char, not this alt :)
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.11 21:48:00 -
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Get a covert ops, jump in from the other side and gank the crap outta them.
It's more effective than a good ol chinwag on the forums.
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bumcheekcity
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:55:00 -
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You went into low sec, got killed, and you're *****ing... Riiiiight.
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SAjunidog
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: bumcheekcity
You went into low sec, got killed, and you're *****ing... Riiiiight.
Not so much whining as warning (I lost a ferox to them a few days ago, w/e).
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2005.12.12 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: MrBadidea
I sat in my Buzzard there yesterday, and cried whilst watching a CN Raven get popped. The worst part is I was talking to Huff (The guys that camp out Erila), and they said they blew up about 1~1.5b worth of mods when they took it out. :((
Said, amongst other things, a Gist X-Type XL went *boom* with the CNR. Thats just wrong!
Ouch, yeah - it was the CN Raven Pilots fault that he has tried to do a mission in low sec and did not scout or check the system.
Cheers, Tresh
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Talio ZomB
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Posted - 2005.12.12 12:35:00 -
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I too have lost a CNR doing missions in low sec. As much as I hate that it happened, I wouldnt deny the *******s responsible the freedom to commit such an act. However, I would like some form of insurance/compensation or something that would reduce the oerallblow of such a loss. I entered otsasai (0.3), nothing was on the gate except a shuttle, I done my usual click to warp to station insta, and before I could align I had 3 BS and 1 HAC on me.
Now is it mandatory that faction ship owners should gimp their setup and always carry warp stabs or what? I had no options on entering that system with a mission fitted raven.
In my time I have had 2 of these ships, and they are nothing more than high sec limos if you want to make sure they live.
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Wotar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Talio ZomB
Now is it mandatory that faction ship owners should gimp their setup and always carry warp stabs or what?
No, its mandatory that you take precautions unless you want to lose your expensive ship.
Originally by: Talio ZomB
I had no options on entering that system with a mission fitted raven.
You could have scouted the system or used a normal Raven. Don't fly what you aren't prepared to lose.
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rampsb1tch
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Posted - 2005.12.12 20:06:00 -
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after reading this post it made me laugh so much.. dony fly soemthing you cant afford to replace simple as that.. i have done my fair share of ganking in erila back in the days.. man was alot of fun and very worth while as far as good loot goes.. so all your carebear mission runners stay safe in empire and dont go into low sec coz you dont belong there..
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Rikkta
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Posted - 2005.12.12 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rikkta on 12/12/2005 23:13:17
I bought a one day pass to erila about a month ago when I was missioning there.
The pirates were generally nice, didn't smack talk me, and after I paid I got to go complete missions with no harassment. |
xPreatorianx
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Posted - 2005.12.12 23:21:00 -
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Yea when i first started playing this game and got my first lv 3 missions i went to erila in a scorp (back then i didnt fit em hards) and got pwned by wrestler and blista but heh now i kno never to go there again unless i have support :) it tought me a lesson for sure
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Perrin Aybara
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Posted - 2005.12.13 04:06:00 -
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Well imo why should the people that do these missions get all the ISk with hardly any or no risk to themselves, all we are doing is giving them abit of risk and something to think about to there game play. In the end yeah we'll probaly move on to a different area as people wise up to us and stop heading in our camps but ignoracne in bliss 
Originally by: MrBadidea
Said, amongst other things, a Gist X-Type XL went *boom* with the CNR. Thats just wrong!
If i was there that Gist X-Type XL Booster would of suirved 
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david1090879
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Posted - 2005.12.13 11:00:00 -
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why should we have to pay priates to enter a 0.4 imho that is giving up to them.
Huff - As for youre reply about that giving them abit of risk, do you call 4 and 5 bs on the Inoue gate in Erila fair? Apart from the fact that youre ships never have very good catching setup anyone warping into that leaving erila doesnt stand a chance.
The sad fact is Huff have been using this tatic for weeks now dozens of mission runners are getting ganked everyday, The reason behind this post was meant to simply be a warning, either turn down the erila missions are go the long way around. and use In-stas.
Huff are creating alot of bad blood anyone who joins them is going in my address book. Huff may not realise it, but you are being watched
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.13 11:08:00 -
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well folks the way to remove a threat is use superior numbers - a strong combined effort of 10-20 battleships and various electronic warfare support ships would do the trick - either that or hire a merc corp to deal with em.
If an area is bad avoid it or ..... team up with the locals and take em out. Consult all those that have lost ships im sure they wouldb e willing to help out.
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Biosman
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Posted - 2005.12.13 11:10:00 -
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i went into erila and right on top of about eight of the huff guys,and they let me go.
in fact,one of them convoed me,but i think they were pretty bored.i may have been in an ibis
and had nothing worth anything,but it does prove they dont just kill anything.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.13 11:14:00 -
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u see they are aggro'd if they attack anyone then they need to tank the gate - so shooting an ibis puts em out of action for a while - im surprised that many of the PVP corps havent taken a massive BS and associated craft gank fleet in to suppress these guys they seem like easy targets tbh. I mean u get youre pirate corps that move aorund like LEGION and pink panther project then the ones like apocolypse enterprises that sit at a single gate (jasson into haimeh) and take the easy gangks (just going off the situation in aridia atm)
So same applies to erila solo youre deadmeat unless u have 8 warp stabs - but as a large alliacne or corp looking for some quick PVP thats youre target system hit em over and over they will either sustain losses or move
easier to whine CCP will tell u to deal with it and thats it
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Angelic Resolution
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Posted - 2005.12.13 11:31:00 -
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I remeber seeing 6 Apocs heading for the Erila gate in inoue.. almost shat myself but remebered I'd just finished going through :D
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USA4
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Posted - 2005.12.13 11:35:00 -
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Why must we endure so much grief for performing a valid profesion in the eve universe. We have made billions in erila. I personally do not engage anything other than bs, hacs, af, indies, and freighters......... unless they appear to be making bookmarks or posing as scouts. Set the mercs on us if you want too, but I am not beyond hiring a couple merc corps myself.
I am just trying to make a living here. The only ones suffering is the people foolish enough to take the missions in low sec. I have been involved in the killing of at least 4 navy ravens, 1 navy apoc.
Do you not think these time card selling afk sailing empire hugging landlovers are getting there just deserts?
We are providing great benefit to the inoue- citadel region. We sell all the loot we get at below market value, undercutting all the tech 2 suppliers, hundreds of ravens have sold because of us. Theres actually a nice market in citadel now. I do not feel the need to travel to jita anymore to pick up good deals on ships and equipment.
In closing to our victums, its nothing personal we are just trying to make a living to the best of are ability using the skills that we have trained. warning not spell checked and i suck at the forums..... god i miss avon
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2005.12.13 13:23:00 -
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Gate camping is a mechanic of Eve. It may be lame to gank people with overwhelming numbers, but you can be just as lame back.
This only really poses a problem to true 'carebears' - people who have no interest, desire or ability to PvP. If you have absolutely no tolerance for pvp, then thats right, you shouldnt be able to go into 0.4. You've shut yourself off from a portion of the game, which was your own choice.
If you want them to stop gate camping and ganking, then find some like minded mission runners, make your own gank squad, and start fighting them.
This is a PvP game. They're not griefing anyone, like pirates declaring war on noobs....they're just PvPing as they're allowed to.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.13 16:34:00 -
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eve pirate avoidance has NEVER been particularly hard if you know what you're doing.
look at your map - if there are ships lost in the last hour, there is probably pirating happening. if there are pods lost in the last hour, there is almost certainly pirating happening.
also, make friends.
get a group of people who keep a PvP ship in Inoue, start a chat channel, and if you hear of pirates in erila, kick their damn ass. give each other info on "is the gate clear?"
also, people who onto a complex gate without scanning it deserve everything they get.
final lesson for today: watch local FFS! learn who pirates! look at their sec!
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.13 16:35:00 -
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and don't fly stuff you can't afford to lose into lowsec or war
Where is my I-win button, CCP? |
HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.13 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Talio ZomB
Now is it mandatory that faction ship owners should gimp their setup and always carry warp stabs or what? I had no options on entering that system with a mission fitted raven.
if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it where theres a risk to it.
and there is ALWAYS an option:
# you could turn down the mission
# don't forget this is a multiplayer game: you could bring a buddy or 2, go out in PvP setups, and blast anyone who tries to stop you, while completing the mission yourself.
# don't fly the damn faction ship into 0.4 - a raven can do almost all lvl4s - how many can you solo in a CNR or ratttlesnake that you can't in a raven?
# make an alt to scout the system before you go in.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.13 16:41:00 -
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or:
use a better agent.
my current agent is in 0.5 (9jumps from the nearest low sec) and is a quality 18 lvl4 for caldari state.
you just gotta find the right agent...
Where is my I-win button, CCP? |
Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:13:00 -
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Lol hippo did you need to make 5 posts, but yeah pretty much what hippo said you can avoid us pretty easy. Or you know mabey make some friends in the game to help you kill us, or you could pay the toll and we wont shoot. We dont charge much depends on your ship though, and you will be able to do what ever you want; I prefer you pay the toll.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.13 21:40:00 -
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it was 4, and don't tell the mods, but i'm spamming to catch up with dark shikari's post count
Where is my I-win button, CCP? |
Saskatchewan Pirate
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Posted - 2005.12.14 08:02:00 -
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woud be intresting to see even half of the ravens/scorpions/apocs going into erila to cleer those asshat campers out :D
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2005.12.14 08:28:00 -
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I cannot help but sigh as I read this . I was one of the first to be ganked in Erila yet I hold no ill will to Huff. Pirating is a proffesion in Eve, just as much as miners or traders. Low sec is also low sec for a reason. I chose to take the risk of travelling through a 0.4 system to save on travel time. More Fool Me! I had gotten complacent and had even stopped checking for recent kills!
Anyone who chooses to go through Erila is simply tempting fate. There is no point in complaining. Huff are not breaking any game rules nor griefing. Hell I am impressed by how long they have been doing it, how much they made, how many kills they have had and how they have "defended" their lucrative hunting grounds against efforts to shift them.
the simple truth is "IF YOU GO INTO LOW SEC YOU RISK BEING GANKED". (No apologies for use of caps). There are bountiful warnings, I rarely fail to see a warning in local, and as some others have mentioned there are cans with warnings. You can look at map to check recent kills. It is your own fault if you ignore the warnings!
You can cancel missions too, so if you do get a mission in erila or horkisson you can cancel them. There are 2 navy level 4 agents in inoue, plus a level 3, and 2 more level 3s in isaziwa. Even if you end up having to wait the 4 hours to cancel another mission there are still plenty of agents to choose from to pass the time.
If people are really concerned about Huff's camp, maybe in a more RP way cos of pirates, then do something about it! Instead of complaining its not fair. Get a battlegroup together and gank the gankers. If you are not willing to do that, stop complaining and/or stop going to Erila.
Huff are very polite in my experience and dont smack or give any abuse. Good luck to them, and good luck to anyone who still ignores the warnings your gonna need it!
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.14 09:18:00 -
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huff are quite ok to campe there the fact that it took a forum whine and still no battlegruop to harass em tells me players dont like co operating in this instance and prefer to be picked off one at a time meh
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Perrin Aybara
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Posted - 2005.12.14 13:51:00 -
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Im impressed as well for how long weve been here doing our thing here, i keep on expecting people not to go into these system(s) but some people just seem to ignore the warning cans that the locals have places around the gates but even still people decide to risk entering the system(s)
As Rick said if you dont like us being there in the system(s) either band together or dont enter the systems otherwise we are gona be there for a while longer Everything does come to an end one way or another be it you forcing us to move or us getting bored and leaving, its just the way eve is.
YarrrrR
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2005.12.14 14:29:00 -
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It suprises me as well that people we kill come back in alone and we get them again... you know who you are  I am also not used to people not coming in t gank us for doing this. The only people that have succeded so far was CDA who set me up very nice was a good gank. Im just confused as to why people in those systems dont do it, they talk about it threaten to do it a lot but they never do it; mabey people in eve are just getting lazy.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.12.14 14:54:00 -
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For some reason I find it hysterically funny that a 'mission' system, which _frequently_ has clear of 100 people agent running, can't mount enough enthusiasm to strike back.
OK, Huff camping a system that you want to do your L4 mission in is a vaguely naughty thing to do. There's an easy solution.
Remember kiddies. Stupidity is not a survival trait.
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Gee'Kin
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Posted - 2005.12.14 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Gee''Kin on 14/12/2005 15:13:41
Left inoue long ago. Looked at map , picked another agent and checked out surrounding systems (5 jumps max). And no worries.
But well. .its always a risk of getting whacked if theres a 0.4< near ur agent system. live with it.
ps. Erila was already know to be hot spot for gate gankers. as was a neighbouring system in Nonni, cannot recal the name.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.14 19:13:00 -
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Oh look, the ebil immature kiddy griefers are gate camping and blowing up honest agent runners...
Haaaaaang on a sec..
They have picked a system with lots of "phat lewt", flown around by people who don't want to fight?
Hahahaha, cool.
What's that?
They keep comming back for more?
What is that system, the LoseUrShip drive thru for dullards?
Class.
Couldn't have picked a better system myself tbh!
Billions of isk in hardware in the hands of cowards - they deserve to lose it.
Get togther and fight, show Huff who's boss.
What's that?
You're scared?
Aw, after the first 5 or 6 poddings it become fun, get out there and live a little.
p.s. Now that you are rich USA, you can pay me for you cool sigs :P
On a more serious note, I'm sure if you convo Huff first they'll let you buy a little insurance during your missions .. if ya know what I'm sayin'
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2005.12.14 21:52:00 -
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LOL, funny to read all this.
I am actulay one of those carebear peeps that flies around in a multi-billion ship, and I realy don't go into that system. I used to do it a few times, in my old cyclone (was also 700 mil back then), but I guess the gate camp was not in effect back then or at that time. These days I just dont visit Inoue that much anymore, it's way to laggy to do missions in a fun way, and when I do, I simply reject missions that need to be done in Erila.
I do have an explanation as to why there are no gank fleets cleaning the gate of these campers. First of all, not all players are in 'organised' corps or have buddies doing missions at the same time as they do. The game is played all around the world, and many simply solo this game and only use loose contacts. This is one of the forces driving people to do missions, as these are not dependent on other players availability. One step further, professional mission runners (like me) do everything to maximise their profit, which means going solo and pimping your ship like there is no tomorrow. We fit many implants and stay out of corps as not to get caught in wars and all that nasty stuff. We also train our skills to fit our profession, which results in quite different training paths compared to the PvP players in EVE.
In my view it is not stupidity, unwillingness or cowardnes that prevents people to form 'on the fly' anti gate gank squads, its simple economics and organisation.
a) The risk vs reward that ain't right (to much to loose, little to gain).
b) Who to trust in local and are thay any good to do combat with?
c) Who in local is free to participate (almost 100% at any give time is running a mission themselfs), time to organise means loss of income.
d) Not the right skillset to take on the risky undertaking (given equal numbers).
You can agree or disagree all you want with the above reasons, but fact is that an organised group, being pirate or otherwise has an HUGE advantage over non-organised players. The risk for the pirates is minimal, but same is not true for the mission runners. Basic economic rules prevent action.....same priciple by which small minorities can terrorise complete countries and enforce their will onto superior numbers and talent/skill.
Best to do is stay out of Erila if you are not on the PvP path. Pirates are a force of EVE nature and perfectly valid. Just don't glory is all up as if it is good for the local economy, its like saying that burning all houses down is helping everyone as new houses can be build....if you get my drift. Make no illusion, piracy is BAD for the economy, its unproductive and wasteful, yet some for some, horrible nightmare for others. The net result however is always negative!!!
Some other small words:
Often I read EVE is a PvP game, well part of it is, and so it's partialy true (just as the opposite is). Likewise for statements that EVE is about corporations (group vs group). This certainly is also just partialy true and equaly untrue. Given most corporation simply don't have the volume to operate this way unless they all do the same thing at the same time, which is not economical unless you are mining or pirating in groups.
In short.....don't enter Erila if you are a carebear...if you get ganked there...it is your own fault as you know that will happen in advance. If the pirates accept protection money and have a reputation that they can be trusted on their word, then its upto economics and your trust to determine if it is worth doing a mission there. I can imagine some mission are worth it, but even then...others might kill you while doing missions, so it stays risky bussiness (they wont come along and guard you, don't take protection that litteraly...its more like extortion, heh).
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david1090879
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:00:00 -
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I can see with some of youre points, Huff as a way that pirates go are polite when compared to with of the other pirate corps I will not name. Like exactly what everyone says they will be here as long as people take a few nice ships in Erila it gives them an income and something to do.
Mission runners can either:
1) Form together nomatter what corp or alliance they are in, get organised with a fleet of ships (10 bs would do this), this would totally overpower any huff fleet. The use of a few tacklers for warp scrambler and a cloaker for recon and warp point would also be useful. This would need to be done several times as HUFF would probably enjoy this the first few times, after this once they loose some nice fittings it may rock them.
2) Deney them of kills - This is a not such realistic option, as you cannot stop 100% of players going into Erila alone, there will always be people who ignore warning cans, and warnings in local.
I have yet to be ganked by them as I have explained before I either scout first, or avoid completely.
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Hephaesteus
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Gate camping is a mechanic of Eve. It may be lame to gank people with overwhelming numbers, but you can be just as lame back.
This only really poses a problem to true 'carebears' - people who have no interest, desire or ability to PvP. If you have absolutely no tolerance for pvp, then thats right, you shouldnt be able to go into 0.4. You've shut yourself off from a portion of the game, which was your own choice.
If you want them to stop gate camping and ganking, then find some like minded mission runners, make your own gank squad, and start fighting them.
This is a PvP game. They're not griefing anyone, like pirates declaring war on noobs....they're just PvPing as they're allowed to.
Quoted for truth.
I curse the name of gate campers (see above ) but they are a part of Eve. Would I get rid of them if I could no, simply because there is more to Eve than missions and pvp is a part of that.
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