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Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
206
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:45:00 -
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reading features & ideas gives me a ******* seizure, and so does your post |
Jyn Uin
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:45:00 -
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For a low payment of 500 million isk I will investigate and punish whoever betrayed you in our alliance of honorable men. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
439
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:49:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:Job Valador wrote:Tell me were on the POS doll PL touched you. *there* and *there* You guys seem to miss the whole point. If you want a healthy pvp game, there has to be a way for smaller alliances to develop up to the point where they are viable in nullsec.
I'd say you don't know what this means, and you don't understand this game.
1. It is a sandbox--i.e. the devs are amazingly hands off regarding typical game play. If 20,000 players want to band together to do stuff...that's fine.
2. Setting up a POS with resists so that no damage gets through from capitals (ships that are in part designed to kill POS) is anti-thetical to PvP.
3. Part of PvP in this game is about working with others, even as a corp/alliance trying to lone wolf it can be tough...if you really want to do that, then as others have suggested HTFU you made a choice now live with it. Or change, and call in people who might want to drop on PL as they hit your tower. PL does have enemies you know. |
Mad Moxie
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:51:00 -
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I love this thread. I haven't laughed this much in days |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
139
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:52:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:NuNu Dagobah wrote:Grace Ishukone wrote:NuNu Dagobah wrote: 4. Wow, just, wow. If you don't even know how wrong you are with that, then you have no ******* business even going to lowsec. I'll explain it for you. If you're tackled in a capital (as in, scrammed or pointed), you CAN'T jump.
Then why do people in-game who have played far longer than I keep telling me they can still jump and that you need a HIC to stop them? (including Pandemic Leigon players). You actually tested that what you say is actually accurate post-Odyssey? "Points at alliance" You think I even have to test it? You guys lied and betrayed us before, indeed I'm only in lowsec because I couldn't be in null sec after Pandemic Legion betrayed us and refused to change their decision. Nice work there, making a dead area thrive then killing it again because you thought we might have been sitting on an r64. We weren't, as you will know by now. But yes, I have no business being in lowsec. I should be in nullsec, merrily mining and working out the most efficient way to build things. But instead I am typing on forums, wondering whether I should cancel all of my accounts, not just some of them. And for the record yes, Pandemic Leigon cannot be trusted, even if you paid them. They will betray you without a second thought, and the whole "we don't own sov" thing is rubbish - they control access points to entire reigons, that they don't pay sov bills just means they are confident their cap fleets can defend their stations without needing iHubs to shield them, not that they do not *in reality* control huge parts of nullsec. Only their de-facto renter alliance members are permitted to play there, so when you go through dead systems and wish there was pvp there, don't blame me, blame alliances like PL. Oh and to the Pandemic Leigon guys - you rather just proved the point of why CCP needs to redo the nullsec map and indeed the entire mecahnics of nullsec. When your own players are moving to lowsec and professing intent to play there (and on an individual level I have no reason to believe the player was lying) - it rather reinforces the point that the powerful nullsec alliances have succeeded in making nullsec so boring that their own players no longer wish to live there. If nullsec was thriving and vibrant, and the location of the end-game of pvp and fun, then everyone wouldn't be moving to lowsec / highsec. Think about it. Oh, and yes, I do expect that inside 2 years CCP will permit carriers to be used in highsec. They just made them a lot easier to get into the hull, just wait and watch the game go more and more and MORE over to highsec no-pvp themepark. And if you don't liek it, tough - the rich powerful alliances have shaped this game, as is appropriate in a sandbox. BUt the game still does not get to 100,000 concurrent users, not even close, despite 10 years of effort. Commercially, it's kind of a dog, really. I still love EVE, but it has huge issues that flow from bad design calls - one of the most glaring of which is that poor quality systems are conceptually there to be peoples "homes"; yet in reality they are nothing more than time wasters as everyone warps to the out gate to jump 8 - 15 systems to MAYBE get one pvp encounter in nullsec. Pathetic waste of time for players and wasted design opportunity. So Pandemic Leigon - if CCP do things like hard cap how many stations any alliance can own, how many capitals can be in a system, or simply ban capitals from lowsec entirely ... get over it. There really are likely to be significant design changes made, because let's be honest, currently nearly every one of the large alliances sets up their gameplay to *avoid* pvp. Taking a dozen capitals into a lowsec system 15 minutes before downtime so that there is no time for anyone else to drop your fleet, and the locals have absolutely no chance to threaten even one of your ships let alone all of them, isn't encouraging pvp. It's accountants in space, at its infamous best. If you were real pvpers, and genuniely wanted pvp, you would scout out what the locals use, and then turn up in a fleet where victory was not certain. Then the locals would fight, and fun would ensue. But when you plan for massive overwheleming victory against people whom you know are the proverbial ants beneath your tank tracks, you simply encourage people to do what so many above encourage - to quit and play something else. And people do, including entire nullsec alliances of old. An influx of new players whom you then betray and ruthlessly crush without any real effort at all brings you no glory. But it may indeed lead to CCP losing yet more customers. That means less people for you to kill - that is wonderful if you are a moon miner who loves playing spreadsheets in space, but terribly bad if you really are a pvper. The best wolves encourage sheep to live in large numbers in pastures they can hunt in. If you eat all the sheep or scare them all away, you have no-one but yourselves to blame when one wolf turns on the other, then the last lonely wolves lament the good old days when there was plenty of sheep to eat and plenty of wolves to test their strength against. this doesn't make sense, when you go fora fight, you go for winning the fight, hence you take whatever will bring you the best chance of victory..
this is universal in eve, and we can't be mad at anyone for doing it.
there is a balance issue with supers and titans being used by nulssec in low, this is true, but this is an issue from the way they are designed, just as simple as this.
hint: let CSAA being anchored in 0.4 and below.
lowsec can now have the same ships, and a wannabe nullsec alliance can access the ship required to do so (wich, in the current situation, is not possible without having a sov).
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Katie Corb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:53:00 -
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I tried mining in nullsec and PL dropped 14 supers on me. :( :darkelf: |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
139
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:54:00 -
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Katie Corb wrote:I tried mining in nullsec and PL dropped 14 supers on me. :( what were you mining with? |
Victyrael
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
34
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:56:00 -
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Best thread on EVE-O. |
Richter Enderas
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
316
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:58:00 -
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m-muh capital bl0b |
Theng Hofses
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
15
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:00:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:
You guys lied and betrayed us before, indeed I'm only in lowsec because I couldn't be in null sec after Pandemic Legion betrayed us and refused to change their decision. Nice work there, making a dead area thrive then killing it again because you thought we might have been sitting on an r64. We weren't, as you will know by now. But yes, I have no business being in lowsec. I should be in nullsec, merrily mining and working out the most efficient way to build things. But instead I am typing on forums, wondering whether I should cancel all of my accounts, not just some of them
Who did what to you and who are you really? I am getting a bit confused here. . Eve is a game of risk and you risk it all. Be in nullsec but please understand that you have 0.0 security = zero security there. It is the might is right part of the game. If you don't like it, don't be in 0.0 security space.
Grace Ishukone wrote:
And for the record yes, Pandemic Leigon cannot be trusted, even if you paid them. They will betray you without a second thought
Okay, I get it.
Grace Ishukone wrote:
and the whole "we don't own sov" thing is rubbish - they control access points to entire reigons, that they don't pay sov bills just means they are confident their cap fleets can defend their stations without needing iHubs to shield them, not that they do not *in reality* control huge parts of nullsec. Only their de-facto renter alliance members are permitted to play there, so when you go through dead systems and wish there was pvp there, don't blame me, blame alliances like PL.
Oh and to the Pandemic Leigon guys - you rather just proved the point of why CCP needs to redo the nullsec map and indeed the entire mecahnics of nullsec. When your own players are moving to lowsec and professing intent to play there (and on an individual level I have no reason to believe the player was lying) - it rather reinforces the point that the powerful nullsec alliances have succeeded in making nullsec so boring that their own players no longer wish to live there.
If nullsec was thriving and vibrant, and the location of the end-game of pvp and fun, then everyone wouldn't be moving to lowsec / highsec. Think about it.
It's a sandbox game, we follow the rules to the full extend what is permitted. Apparently though we play the game slightly different to how you play the game. Don't blame us. Maybe you need a deeper understanding of how the game really works - and yes, it's a game after all.
Grace Ishukone wrote:
If you were real pvpers, and genuniely wanted pvp, you would scout out what the locals use, and then turn up in a fleet where victory was not certain. Then the locals would fight, and fun would ensue. But when you plan for massive overwheleming victory against people whom you know are the proverbial ants beneath your tank tracks, you simply encourage people to do what so many above encourage - to quit and play something else. And people do, including entire nullsec alliances of old.
Okay, some fight to win and try to minimize the chances of losing. If you do it any other way you just lose.
Grace Ishukone wrote:
An influx of new players whom you then betray and ruthlessly crush without any real effort at all brings you no glory. But it may indeed lead to CCP losing yet more customers. That means less people for you to kill - that is wonderful if you are a moon miner who loves playing spreadsheets in space, but terribly bad if you really are a pvper. The best wolves encourage sheep to live in large numbers in pastures they can hunt in. If you eat all the sheep or scare them all away, you have no-one but yourselves to blame when one wolf turns on the other, then the last lonely wolves lament the good old days when there was plenty of sheep to eat and plenty of wolves to test their strength against.
Sorry we pissed in your risk-free morning corn flakes and took your marbles away. Actually, not really that sorry. But I appreciate the advice from a self-admitted sheep like you, even though we are not wolves at all... just a different kind of sheep. We are actually quite bad at this game as our frequent ****-ups and losses show. Quite embarrassing though. My corp lost four super-carriers in one **** up last week and I don't even want to start about what the other corps lost. They were literally the sheep that were led to the slaughter. Any way, in your opinion, how we could avoid that going forward? How could mechanics be changed so that we can keep our precious resources that we spent so long to gather in the game? Thank you for your continued support and advice. |
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Clith
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
111
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:05:00 -
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I am sorry to hear of your bad experience with the Pandemic Legion Lunar Reclamation Service. Our records show that you have not paid your lunar rental charge for the previous 4 months as agreed to when you signed the original contract. If you would like to resolve this situation, and continue the lease of this moon, please forward me the original copy of your lunar rental agreement, together with a sum of 2 billion isk covering the 4 months missed payments and late fees of 400 million isk. Once all documents have been received and payment made, I will arrange for a transfer of the lunar assets to your corporation. |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
106
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:06:00 -
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I like turtles. |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
27
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:08:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:look at all dem fuggin words
u ok m8?
No, Pandemic Leigon betrayed us and took our nullsec home away, but didn't even want to live there.
Now my friends play WoW, battlefield 3, and World of Tanks rather than EvE. I miss playing the game with my friends. So I'm not ok, it really is your fault you lying arrogant bastards.
Is there anything I can do about it? Not at all. You're right, I can't fly a carrier, never have. I can build them, but I can't build the big ones in lowsec / highsec. So as a socially focused crafter / miner player, I think the current game design is absolutely atrocious. What is worse is that I am not alone in that, and the attrition rate of players out of EVE is appallingly high. That is why EVE Online continues to badly under perform as a commercial product, always being close to greatness, but never quite making it.
CCP have breached some of thier own original design tennents in an attempt to save EVE Online from closing. I expect they will go further and further in that direction. But make no mistake - how you treat your victims and enemies matters. You may have delicious tears, enjoy them if you will. But know that the simple truth is in player vs designer, ultimately the designer will win. And the reality is that Nullsec and the joke of what passes for skilled pvp there now has to change - there is no skill involved in lighting a cyno, clicking jump, clicking warp to, clicking attack. Many commentators rightly ridicule EVE's "pvp" ... and yet players seem to think that they are somehow wonderful because they did something that had no realistic risk and managed to click the correct button to warp home.
Until things like system wide cyno jammer ships are implemented, EVE capital ship pvp will be generally ultra-boring sov bashing. That the mechanics effectively mean alliances can deny entire reigons of the game to other players utility, even through they themselves do not utilise the space, simply means much of the game space is dead and empty - which for a pvp game translates to pointless waste of time for players seeking to engage in pvp.
I want to see the nullsec map radically changed. Enough with the dead systems owned or controlled by players who themselves are so bored they have moved to lowsec as well. You can criticize me all you like for wanting to stop those nullsec alliances projecting unanswerable combat power into lowsec in an attempt to force them to play in the nullsec they own/control, but make no mistake, if you don't come up with better ideas you get whatever CCP Themepark devs come up with next. And they WILL make changes - they have to, or this game dies when World of Darkness and one or two other key MMO pvp titles release. Do you want EVE to fall into maintenance mode? I don't. I want its player population to increase by at least 5 million players in the next 10 years, with 250k+ concurrent users. Yes Jita will need a new hamster to handle it, but so what? Point is as things stand, it's tracking to being remade as a themepark - many of the same dynamics that appeared in SWG prior to the CU are now detectable here, and if CCP does a SG style CU (oh wait 'ship rebalancing' anyone? - what is after that?) then we all know how bad things can get as developers try too hard to grow a game without fixing the deep issues first.
So yes, I'm upset. But it's not about a *thing* - it is because the idea that you and your friends can have a home in EVE is basically invalid in the current community in EVE. It does not matter that no-one *else* wants to play in such crappy distant -0.2 nullsec, it's that the map, high sec-dependant game mechanics, and mega powerful won't permit it to happen. When you talk to them and realize that the powerful would actually quite like it if you lived there so they could get fun pvp whenever they wanted it, then you realize the real issue is bad game design. Fix the map, or the higsec-dependant mechanics, but until CCP do, expect me to be upset. Because without changing those deep underlying problems, I really do fear CCP is going to make a horrible blunder like SW:G did with the CU, then try to fix it with more changes as SW:G did with the NGE ... and we know how that ended.
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Mad Moxie
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:08:00 -
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WarFireV wrote:I like turtles.
nobody cares |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
566
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:09:00 -
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its just eve. man |
Jyn Uin
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
2
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:12:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:look at all dem fuggin words
u ok m8? No, Pandemic Leigon betrayed us and took our nullsec home away, but didn't even want to live there. Now my friends play WoW, battlefield 3, and World of Tanks rather than EvE. I miss playing the game with my friends. So I'm not ok, it really is your fault you lying arrogant bastards.
http://www.suicidehotlines.com/ |
Mad Moxie
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:14:00 -
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stop raging and get your mates back online . sign up to a renter corp and sell your caps to PL . we can give you far rates for them |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
27
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:15:00 -
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Clith wrote:I am sorry to hear of your bad experience with the Pandemic Legion Lunar Reclamation Service. Our records show that you have not paid your lunar rental charge for the previous 4 months as agreed to when you signed the original contract. If you would like to resolve this situation, and continue the lease of this moon, please forward me the original copy of your lunar rental agreement, together with a sum of 2 billion isk covering the 4 months missed payments and late fees of 400 million isk. Once all documents have been received and payment made, I will arrange for a transfer of the lunar assets to your corporation.
We were only there 2 weeks, and I don't have 2 billion.
So cute, but no.
Give me a nullsec system inside 2 JCal 5 freigther jumps from high, with ice, a refinery, and manufacture lines, and I'll give you someplace where you can get 24/7 pvp where people actually fight back.
Although only two problems with that ... first is I can never trust Pandemic Legion, the second is you seem to be losing all the fights that really matter. So maybe I'll wait and see if you still exist next month first. That's the problem with betraying people, suddenly all bets are off and just as you say get over it, awoxing becomes perfectly legitimate. You can't betray others then expect no-one will betray you too. Not that I could do anything like that personally ... not like I can retrever your fleet to death or anything. ;p |
Tertiacero
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
11
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:19:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:look at all dem fuggin words
u ok m8? Until things like system wide cyno jammer ships are implemented, EVE capital ship pvp will be generally ultra-boring sov bashing.
This is a good idea, maybe they should make a POS mod out of it. |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
27
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:21:00 -
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Mad Moxie wrote:stop raging and get your mates back online . sign up to a renter corp and sell your caps to PL . we can give you far rates for them
We were about to assemble our first carrier when you guys betrayed us, so we cancelled production and sold the minerals instead. And now many of my friends have walked away from EVE because we can't play in null, we would likely struggle to be able to mine a and build a carrier a month.
But that is fine ... as your own Pandemic Leigon player seemed to be firmly of the opinion that mining is for AFK alts (and dare I say bots?), not actual people for whom mining is a social activity with lots of talking and working together. I am sure you will be very happy buying capitals off people who have 50 copies of themselves and great programmes to run them all at maximum efficiency, including docking the instant a neutral player enters a system one either side of their drone system. |
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Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
27
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:23:00 -
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Tertiacero wrote:Grace Ishukone wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:look at all dem fuggin words
u ok m8? Until things like system wide cyno jammer ships are implemented, EVE capital ship pvp will be generally ultra-boring sov bashing. This is a good idea, maybe they should make a POS mod out of it.
That works in lowsec? Yeah right.
Engage brain before trolling, your nullsec mods requiring SOV have no application here. Although wouldn't that throw the cat amongst the pidegons if you COULD use cyno jammers on lowsec pos without sov? |
Hurley
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:23:00 -
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One time I found some lint in my pocket |
Janos Vaas
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:23:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:Mad Moxie wrote:stop raging and get your mates back online . sign up to a renter corp and sell your caps to PL . we can give you far rates for them We were about to assemble our first carrier when you guys betrayed us, so we cancelled production and sold the minerals instead. And now many of my friends have walked away from EVE because we can't play in null, we would likely struggle to be able to mine a and build a carrier a month. But that is fine ... as your own Pandemic Leigon player seemed to be firmly of the opinion that mining is for AFK alts (and dare I say bots?), not actual people for whom mining is a social activity with lots of talking and working together. I am sure you will be very happy buying capitals off people who have 50 copies of themselves and great programmes to run them all at maximum efficiency, including docking the instant a neutral player enters a system one either side of their drone system.
http://imgur.com/account/favorites/qWfBU |
Mad Moxie
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:26:00 -
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That works in lowsec? Yeah right.
Engage brain before trolling, your nullsec mods requiring SOV have no application here. Although wouldn't that throw the cat amongst the pidegons if you COULD use cyno jammers on lowsec pos without sov?
Especially if such mods stopped you jumping OUT for 1 hour after activation ...[/quote]
but if you cyno jam lowsec how will you get your JF there ?????? |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
27
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:26:00 -
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Janos Vaas wrote:http://imgur.com/account/favorites/qWfBU
A link to something you need to sign in to see isn't very useful for the discussion.
And it better not be anything that you shouldn't be linking to ... these are public forums and there is an EULA / use agreement. |
DarklordKarn
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
8
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:26:00 -
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Hello kitty island adventure ------ > |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
27
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:27:00 -
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Mad Moxie wrote: That works in lowsec? Yeah right.
Engage brain before trolling, your nullsec mods requiring SOV have no application here. Although wouldn't that throw the cat amongst the pidegons if you COULD use cyno jammers on lowsec pos without sov?
Especially if such mods stopped you jumping OUT for 1 hour after activation ...
but if you cyno jam lowsec how will you get your JF there ??????[/quote]
By turning it off first |
Mad Moxie
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:29:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:Mad Moxie wrote: That works in lowsec? Yeah right.
Engage brain before trolling, your nullsec mods requiring SOV have no application here. Although wouldn't that throw the cat amongst the pidegons if you COULD use cyno jammers on lowsec pos without sov?
Especially if such mods stopped you jumping OUT for 1 hour after activation ...
but if you cyno jam lowsec how will you get your JF there ??????
By turning it off first [/quote] then what is the point in having a cyno jammer if you have to turn it off all the time ????? and you would have to turn it off for the other ppl trying to make it in lowsec |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
27
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:30:00 -
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DarklordKarn wrote:Hello kitty island adventure ------ >
Has more players and made more money for its developers than EVE Online did for CCP?
Also, did you mean ... Deklein ? |
DarklordKarn
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
8
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:30:00 -
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http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1105/BUTTHURT_REPORT_FORM.gif
Please fill in the above form and send to BlueMajere , Head Diplomatic Envoy |
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