Title says it all.

Sick of Pandemic Leigon and other nullsec mega-rich alliances cynoing into lowsec, killing every tower on every moon vaguely worth anything, and having 0 effective risk at all. Even with 16 hardneres is takes less than 10 minutes for a PL fleet to kill a large tower from reinforced, meaning that even if someone else wants to jump in to pvp them, the cap fleet has arrived, killed the tower, and left before anyone can actually pvp them.

This is meant to be a game. There is no fun in "no way to kill them" fights.

So one or more of the changes below are needed - which are useful / not?

1. Only 6 capitals, maximum, in space in any lowsec system.
2. Lowsec POS get 500% bonus defence to attacks by capitals.
3. Carriers and Dreads in LOWSEC can be warp jammed by anything.
4. POS guns get upgraded radically so they can actually HURT capitals.
5. Only two ships able to jump to one cyno each minute.
6. Ships jumping into lowsec cannot jump out until their combat timers have ended.


The idea of the above is to actually have well, pvp. Currently the game is whoever has the most isk (i.e. credit card ability) just wins. That's rubbish. Need actual pvp over static objects, not capital blat fleets that have no effective risk.

PvP is meant to be risk vs reward, fun from succeeding and achieving objectives and surviving the risks. It's not happening - much of pvp in EVE is horribly boring, and rightly slammed by players who like more than spreadsheets for their gameplay.

2. Lowsec POS get 500% bonus defence to attacks by capitals.

Title says it all.

Sick of Pandemic Leigon and other nullsec mega-rich alliances cynoing into lowsec, killing every tower on every moon vaguely worth anything, and having 0 effective risk at all. Even with 16 hardneres is takes less than 10 minutes for a PL fleet to kill a large tower from reinforced, meaning that even if someone else wants to jump in to pvp them, the cap fleet has arrived, killed the tower, and left before anyone can actually pvp them.

This is meant to be a game. There is no fun in "no way to kill them" fights.

So one or more of the changes below are needed - which are useful / not?

1. Only 6 capitals, maximum, in space in any lowsec system.
2. Lowsec POS get 500% bonus defence to attacks by capitals.
3. Carriers and Dreads in LOWSEC can be warp jammed by anything.
4. POS guns get upgraded radically so they can actually HURT capitals.
5. Only two ships able to jump to one cyno each minute.
6. Ships jumping into lowsec cannot jump out until their combat timers have ended.


The idea of the above is to actually have well, pvp. Currently the game is whoever has the most isk (i.e. credit card ability) just wins. That's rubbish. Need actual pvp over static objects, not capital blat fleets that have no effective risk.

PvP is meant to be risk vs reward, fun from succeeding and achieving objectives and surviving the risks. It's not happening - much of pvp in EVE is horribly boring, and rightly slammed by players who like more than spreadsheets for their gameplay.

Tell me were on the POS doll PL touched you.

Title says it all.

Sick of Pandemic Leigon and other nullsec mega-rich alliances cynoing into lowsec, killing every tower on every moon vaguely worth anything, and having 0 effective risk at all. Even with 16 hardneres is takes less than 10 minutes for a PL fleet to kill a large tower from reinforced, meaning that even if someone else wants to jump in to pvp them, the cap fleet has arrived, killed the tower, and left before anyone can actually pvp them.

This is meant to be a game. There is no fun in "no way to kill them" fights.

So one or more of the changes below are needed - which are useful / not?

1. Only 6 capitals, maximum, in space in any lowsec system.
2. Lowsec POS get 500% bonus defence to attacks by capitals.
3. Carriers and Dreads in LOWSEC can be warp jammed by anything.
4. POS guns get upgraded radically so they can actually HURT capitals.
5. Only two ships able to jump to one cyno each minute.
6. Ships jumping into lowsec cannot jump out until their combat timers have ended.


The idea of the above is to actually have well, pvp. Currently the game is whoever has the most isk (i.e. credit card ability) just wins. That's rubbish. Need actual pvp over static objects, not capital blat fleets that have no effective risk.

PvP is meant to be risk vs reward, fun from succeeding and achieving objectives and surviving the risks. It's not happening - much of pvp in EVE is horribly boring, and rightly slammed by players who like more than spreadsheets for their gameplay.

Even with 16 hardneres is takes less than 10 minutes for a PL fleet to kill a large tower from reinforced, meaning that even if someone else wants to jump in to pvp them, the cap fleet has arrived, killed the tower, and left before anyone can actually pvp them.

This is meant to be a game. There is no fun in "no way to kill them" fights.

Consider these points -

1. Who trains starbase defence management and does not immediately regret wasting their time?

2. Why does CCP advertise that new players can PvP when the reality is new players may as well be ants under the tracks of main battle tanks when it comes to new players vs capital fleets?

3. If you are the ant, and know you need to either buy a toon or play for a year before you can have a tank too, how many fellow ants do you think will continue to keep playing?

4. Thank you all for gleefully pointing out that you can warp disrupt a carrier or dread. So what, they just hit jump. You know what I meant, don't pretend otherwise while also pretending to be such founts of wisdom.

Oh boy OP, you so silly.

CCP already posted a solution to all your problems a long time ago, can't you even use the search function?

The solution is: here

4. Wow, just, wow. If you don't even know how wrong you are with that, then you have no ******* business even going to lowsec. I'll explain it for you. If you're tackled in a capital (as in, scrammed or pointed), you CAN'T jump.

Moved to Features & Ideas Discussion

Then why do people in-game who have played far longer than I keep telling me they can still jump and that you need a HIC to stop them? (including Pandemic Leigon players). You actually tested that what you say is actually accurate post-Odyssey?

Kings of Lowsec

4.: What do you want, a doomsday device on a POS?

Holy ****! BEST IDEA EVER!

"Points at alliance"

You think I even have to test it?

Then why do people in-game who have played far longer than I keep telling me they can still jump and that you need a HIC to stop them? (including Pandemic Leigon players). You actually tested that what you say is actually accurate post-Odyssey?



Oh ... and "no business being in lowsec" ... you are MEANT to ENCOURAGE people like me to go into lowsec. Why?

It's a PvP game FFS (again quoting PL) - you cannot complain about most of the players in the game in highsec not going to low / null, and nealy every single player in Nullsec posing up / docking rather than pvping. then say people like me shouldn't be going where we might actually get pvp'd. Especially when I *want* to pvp, but have simply no credible way to win without myself and all my friends each spending at least US$500 or waiting a year first.

This is a game, not a job. Alkthough in reality it is more than that - because if all the people like me quit, then CCP's staff may well be out of a job. All the super-rich players in nullsec pay with PLEX. after all - the moon goos pay for that as well as spare caps. They can't pay staff with ISK, so don't be too quick to make newer players want to simply give up and go play Darkfall Unholy Wars or one of the other FFA PvP full loot MMOs out there now. EVE is not alone, and likely soon not even CCP's premiere product (indeed Dust income may potentially have overtaken EVE income for them).

*there* and *there*



You guys seem to miss the whole point. If you want a healthy pvp game, there has to be a way for smaller alliances to develop up to the point where they are viable in nullsec.

You guys lied and betrayed us before, indeed I'm only in lowsec because I couldn't be in null sec after Pandemic Legion betrayed us and refused to change their decision. Nice work there, making a dead area thrive then killing it again because you thought we might have been sitting on an r64. We weren't, as you will know by now.

But yes, I have no business being in lowsec. I should be in nullsec, merrily mining and working out the most efficient way to build things. But instead I am typing on forums, wondering whether I should cancel all of my accounts, not just some of them.

And for the record yes, Pandemic Leigon cannot be trusted, even if you paid them. They will betray you without a second thought, and the whole "we don't own sov" thing is rubbish - they control access points to entire reigons, that they don't pay sov bills just means they are confident their cap fleets can defend their stations without needing iHubs to shield them, not that they do not *in reality* control huge parts of nullsec. Only their de-facto renter alliance members are permitted to play there, so when you go through dead systems and wish there was pvp there, don't blame me, blame alliances like PL.

Oh and to the Pandemic Leigon guys - you rather just proved the point of why CCP needs to redo the nullsec map and indeed the entire mecahnics of nullsec. When your own players are moving to lowsec and professing intent to play there (and on an individual level I have no reason to believe the player was lying) - it rather reinforces the point that the powerful nullsec alliances have succeeded in making nullsec so boring that their own players no longer wish to live there.

If nullsec was thriving and vibrant, and the location of the end-game of pvp and fun, then everyone wouldn't be moving to lowsec / highsec. Think about it.


Oh, and yes, I do expect that inside 2 years CCP will permit carriers to be used in highsec. They just made them a lot easier to get into the hull, just wait and watch the game go more and more and MORE over to highsec no-pvp themepark. And if you don't liek it, tough - the rich powerful alliances have shaped this game, as is appropriate in a sandbox. BUt the game still does not get to 100,000 concurrent users, not even close, despite 10 years of effort. Commercially, it's kind of a dog, really. I still love EVE, but it has huge issues that flow from bad design calls - one of the most glaring of which is that poor quality systems are conceptually there to be peoples "homes"; yet in reality they are nothing more than time wasters as everyone warps to the out gate to jump 8 - 15 systems to MAYBE get one pvp encounter in nullsec. Pathetic waste of time for players and wasted design opportunity.

So Pandemic Leigon - if CCP do things like hard cap how many stations any alliance can own, how many capitals can be in a system, or simply ban capitals from lowsec entirely ... get over it. There really are likely to be significant design changes made, because let's be honest, currently nearly every one of the large alliances sets up their gameplay to *avoid* pvp. Taking a dozen capitals into a lowsec system 15 minutes before downtime so that there is no time for anyone else to drop your fleet, and the locals have absolutely no chance to threaten even one of your ships let alone all of them, isn't encouraging pvp. It's accountants in space, at its infamous best.

If you were real pvpers, and genuniely wanted pvp, you would scout out what the locals use, and then turn up in a fleet where victory was not certain. Then the locals would fight, and fun would ensue. But when you plan for massive overwheleming victory against people whom you know are the proverbial ants beneath your tank tracks, you simply encourage people to do what so many above encourage - to quit and play something else. And people do, including entire nullsec alliances of old.

An influx of new players whom you then betray and ruthlessly crush without any real effort at all brings you no glory. But it may indeed lead to CCP losing yet more customers. That means less people for you to kill - that is wonderful if you are a moon miner who loves playing spreadsheets in space, but terribly bad if you really are a pvper. The best wolves encourage sheep to live in large numbers in pastures they can hunt in. If you eat all the sheep or scare them all away, you have no-one but yourselves to blame when one wolf turns on the other, then the last lonely wolves lament the good old days when there was plenty of sheep to eat and plenty of wolves to test their strength against.

I tried mining in nullsec and PL dropped 14 supers on me. :(

You guys lied and betrayed us before, indeed I'm only in lowsec because I couldn't be in null sec after Pandemic Legion betrayed us and refused to change their decision. Nice work there, making a dead area thrive then killing it again because you thought we might have been sitting on an r64. We weren't, as you will know by now. But yes, I have no business being in lowsec. I should be in nullsec, merrily mining and working out the most efficient way to build things. But instead I am typing on forums, wondering whether I should cancel all of my accounts, not just some of them

And for the record yes, Pandemic Leigon cannot be trusted, even if you paid them. They will betray you without a second thought

and the whole "we don't own sov" thing is rubbish - they control access points to entire reigons, that they don't pay sov bills just means they are confident their cap fleets can defend their stations without needing iHubs to shield them, not that they do not *in reality* control huge parts of nullsec. Only their de-facto renter alliance members are permitted to play there, so when you go through dead systems and wish there was pvp there, don't blame me, blame alliances like PL.

Oh and to the Pandemic Leigon guys - you rather just proved the point of why CCP needs to redo the nullsec map and indeed the entire mecahnics of nullsec. When your own players are moving to lowsec and professing intent to play there (and on an individual level I have no reason to believe the player was lying) - it rather reinforces the point that the powerful nullsec alliances have succeeded in making nullsec so boring that their own players no longer wish to live there.

If nullsec was thriving and vibrant, and the location of the end-game of pvp and fun, then everyone wouldn't be moving to lowsec / highsec. Think about it.

If you were real pvpers, and genuniely wanted pvp, you would scout out what the locals use, and then turn up in a fleet where victory was not certain. Then the locals would fight, and fun would ensue. But when you plan for massive overwheleming victory against people whom you know are the proverbial ants beneath your tank tracks, you simply encourage people to do what so many above encourage - to quit and play something else. And people do, including entire nullsec alliances of old.

An influx of new players whom you then betray and ruthlessly crush without any real effort at all brings you no glory. But it may indeed lead to CCP losing yet more customers. That means less people for you to kill - that is wonderful if you are a moon miner who loves playing spreadsheets in space, but terribly bad if you really are a pvper. The best wolves encourage sheep to live in large numbers in pastures they can hunt in. If you eat all the sheep or scare them all away, you have no-one but yourselves to blame when one wolf turns on the other, then the last lonely wolves lament the good old days when there was plenty of sheep to eat and plenty of wolves to test their strength against.

look at all dem fuggin words

u ok m8?

I like turtles.

No, Pandemic Leigon betrayed us and took our nullsec home away, but didn't even want to live there.

Now my friends play WoW, battlefield 3, and World of Tanks rather than EvE. I miss playing the game with my friends.
So I'm not ok, it really is your fault you lying arrogant bastards.

I am sorry to hear of your bad experience with the Pandemic Legion Lunar Reclamation Service. Our records show that you have not paid your lunar rental charge for the previous 4 months as agreed to when you signed the original contract.
If you would like to resolve this situation, and continue the lease of this moon, please forward me the original copy of your lunar rental agreement, together with a sum of 2 billion isk covering the 4 months missed payments and late fees of 400 million isk.
Once all documents have been received and payment made, I will arrange for a transfer of the lunar assets to your corporation.

Until things like system wide cyno jammer ships are implemented, EVE capital ship pvp will be generally ultra-boring sov bashing.

stop raging and get your mates back online . sign up to a renter corp and sell your caps to PL . we can give you far rates for them

This is a good idea, maybe they should make a POS mod out of it.

We were about to assemble our first carrier when you guys betrayed us, so we cancelled production and sold the minerals instead. And now many of my friends have walked away from EVE because we can't play in null, we would likely struggle to be able to mine a and build a carrier a month.

But that is fine ... as your own Pandemic Leigon player seemed to be firmly of the opinion that mining is for AFK alts (and dare I say bots?), not actual people for whom mining is a social activity with lots of talking and working together. I am sure you will be very happy buying capitals off people who have 50 copies of themselves and great programmes to run them all at maximum efficiency, including docking the instant a neutral player enters a system one either side of their drone system.

http://imgur.com/account/favorites/qWfBU

That works in lowsec? Yeah right.

Engage brain before trolling, your nullsec mods requiring SOV have no application here. Although wouldn't that throw the cat amongst the pidegons if you COULD use cyno jammers on lowsec pos without sov?

Especially if such mods stopped you jumping OUT for 1 hour after activation ...

but if you cyno jam lowsec how will you get your JF there ??????

Hello kitty island adventure ------ >

Has more players and made more money for its developers than EVE Online did for CCP?



Also, did you mean ... Deklein ?

I know your pain, OP.
For over two years I had a high-sec research tower on a moon about six jumps from Jita in an alt-corp.

I went away for just a single weekend, came back, and the tower was completely gone. I had been wardecced, tower destroyed, and then they retracted the war-dec in the span of three days. Needless to say, I was pretty upset as well.

Do you have any suggestions for mechanics to stop that from happening?

Do you know the difference between me and my friends who quit?
Do you know the difference between me and you?

Attitude.

Friend, until you are able to get past your sense of entitlement, you will never succeed in this game. Your "solutions" to your perceived problems with the game are to petition CCP to make sweeping mechanics changes that destroy play styles you don't like. You think you DESERVE to have a system of your own in some corner of the galaxy.
This is simply not true.
As Kat Ayclism attempted to explain to you: You need to work for what you have in EVE. You can't force other people to play this open-ended sandbox game the way you want, and so you have to either deal with it and learn from it and expand your horizons, or quit.

I honestly wish you the best of luck, and if at some point you are willing to lay aside your entitled, immature attitude, I'd be happy to explain any part of EVE you might be wondering about, and do whatever I can to help you succeed in this wonderful game without resorting to crying on forum thread for CCP to FORCE others to play the way you want.

Yes, and is a hardcore PvP game.

GTFO.

Before you leave, take out all valuables, stop all productions, clear it all out and don't be unprepared for something in a game where mechanics allow for simple "wars" that do one thing and that is to destroy assets.

In summary, don't be bad.

Before you leave, take out all valuables, stop all productions, clear it all out and don't be unprepared for something in a game where mechanics allow for simple "wars" that do one thing and that is to destroy assets.

In summary, don't be bad.

so you take down any towers you own if you go away for a weekend ????
saying that wars have been changed so you cant retract it after only a couple days

Haha, yeah, I felt pretty bad about that.
It had sat there for 2 years without ever being touched and so I got lazy.

The only annoying thing is that it was my main who had the standings to anchor it, so I can't put another one up quite as easily.

If it was worth several billion, I would rather be safe than come back to an empty moon. But I haven't played around with pos' for a while now, and I'm glad I don't.



Standings are a pain to get, especially faction. But oh well, I guess that's what eve is about! I've been playing almost 7 years and loved every aspect of it, it's a shame it can't be said for everyone.

The idea of the above is to actually have well, pvp.

Darkfall : Unholy Wars is more of a hardcore PvP game than EVE Online is now. So don't use words like "hardcore pvp" when EVE has non-PVP zones now, you can't evade or kill concord any more, and most of the players in most of the game space are NOT pvping.

EVE Online is a space mining, industry and trading game that *occasionally* has pvp. Don't pretend otherwise, because it is simply not true. If you want a real pvp game, go get one. I say this in the full knowledge that I love mining and making things :)

... I sympathize with the feeling of being betrayed, and I know how much that sucks. I want you, and everyone else, to have a fun time playing EVE.

Darkfall : Unholy Wars is more of a hardcore PvP game than EVE Online is now.

Posting to confirm I got trolled.... I watched the Darkfall trailer and saw loads of fairies and stuff, plus a distinct lack of spaceships.

It looks ****... enjoy your fairies

That's nice, but we were actually betrayed, not feeling of betrayed. A support and access agreement which was critical to our viability in remote null sec was unilaterally cancelled by Pandemic Leigon without notice, who then attempted to extort vast amounts of money from us to be able to continue to play in nullsec.

At which point Pandemic Legion betrayed us by cancelling the agreement we had with them. We did nothing wrong, we never knew why PL screwed us over. Probably because we were not paying rent for the space you owned, even though your name is not on the sov map.

Posting to confirm I got trolled.... I watched the Darkfall trailer and saw loads of fairies and stuff, plus a distinct lack of spaceships.

It looks ****... enjoy your fairies

I don't think you get EVE.

I think the current game design is absolutely atrocious. What is worse is that I am not alone in that, and the attrition rate of players out of EVE is appallingly high. That is why EVE Online continues to badly under perform as a commercial product, always being close to greatness, but never quite making it.

Title says it all.

Sick of Pandemic Leigon and other nullsec mega-rich alliances cynoing into lowsec, killing every tower on every moon vaguely worth anything, and having 0 effective risk at all. Even with 16 hardneres is takes less than 10 minutes for a PL fleet to kill a large tower from reinforced, meaning that even if someone else wants to jump in to pvp them, the cap fleet has arrived, killed the tower, and left before anyone can actually pvp them.

This is meant to be a game. There is no fun in "no way to kill them" fights.

So one or more of the changes below are needed - which are useful / not?

1. Only 6 capitals, maximum, in space in any lowsec system.
2. Lowsec POS get 500% bonus defence to attacks by capitals.
3. Carriers and Dreads in LOWSEC can be warp jammed by anything.
4. POS guns get upgraded radically so they can actually HURT capitals.
5. Only two ships able to jump to one cyno each minute.
6. Ships jumping into lowsec cannot jump out until their combat timers have ended.


The idea of the above is to actually have well, pvp. Currently the game is whoever has the most isk (i.e. credit card ability) just wins. That's rubbish. Need actual pvp over static objects, not capital blat fleets that have no effective risk.

PvP is meant to be risk vs reward, fun from succeeding and achieving objectives and surviving the risks. It's not happening - much of pvp in EVE is horribly boring, and rightly slammed by players who like more than spreadsheets for their gameplay.

Unexpected, but OP has struck gold.

Instead of having created a mediocre discussion on game mechanics did he summon an unexpected high amount of PL trolls out from under their bridges. It is not the kind of success one expects to find in a discussion forum, but nevertheless it is a success.

It can well count as a sign of weaknesses in game mechanics when PL is not getting any good challenges out of the game, but starts trolling the forums, and thereby are making a case for the OP rather than one against him.

Yeah you got it. When one moves to the forums its because they have moved to a higher plane of existence within EVE itself.

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Actually the real issue is POS guns doing lol dmg. A single non siege Dread can easily tank a large pos full of guns/missile batteries with no much trouble, drop a couple dreads and carriers and it's cake party.

Don't watch old Darkfall 1.0 videos and mistake them for Darkfall : Unholy Wars (they remade the game entirely).

And why are so many PL members not simply ignoring the topic when they are not interested to discuss it, but are trying to kill it by trolling? .

Warp scrambling batteries can tackle supers.

Your comment itself reads disconnected. Who do you mean by "one" and who are "they"?

And why are so many PL members not simply ignoring the topic when they are not interested to discuss it, but are trying to kill it by trolling? I thought the thread was not much alive to begin with, but you guys certainly have given it a new life.

Kings of Lowsec

This can't be a real thread

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Yes I trolled you guys into saying more than you probably ever intended to, however the point remains the same - the game is currently broken from a pvp perspective.
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:holy hell more freaking words:
:more words:

Anyway what you are focussed on is that for a small or medium sized alliance moving into 0.0 as your natural development is not possible, you either rent or you stay in low sec/high sec, that is your ceiling. You cannot carve out an area of your own with the current sov system and the pure super/titan power of the major powers.

It's a farming empire game, where a tiny number of pvp corps and players compete to control the farmers. Farmville in space.

There needs to be someplace for such corps to go which does not require them to be serfs to the large empires.

it would not surprise me that PL renters had PL alt accounts AFK cloaky camping them and hot dropping them too.

That would be like mugging your wife after she uses an ATM.... pointless and stupid.

That is a rather odd thing to call a pubbie renter that is likely to be bad at PvP, they are the ATM and are to be milked as much as they can bear, my suggestion fits in totally with your alliances attitude, wow you need to improve your forum warrioring, its pretty poor.

Are you really that illiterate or just trying too hard?

If you say so, I just found your comparison a bit incorrect and correctly defined the renter as a ATM not a wife or partner, does that explain it better?

yes that helps



you are both illiterate and trying too hard

thankyou for clearing that up.

If you a member of the great and all powerful pubbie hating PL are stupid enough to define a renter as a partner then being called an idiot by you I will take as a compliment...

If you a member of the great and all powerful pubbie hating PL are stupid enough to define a renter as a partner then being called an idiot by you I will take as a compliment...

Another fine example of why you shouldn't mad post.

Mad, perfectly rational old bean, anyway I thought you were trolling the Marmite thread...

Can you excise some of that rationality and find a comma?

Thanks in advance.

Ooooh now you are a grammer ****!

Not at all, just commenting that the line I originally was criticizing made absolutely zero sense.

You should work on that.

was the PM with Kat a troll too? that looked like pretty real crying and whining to me :iiam:

I approve of making supercapitals vulnerable to normal points, but perhaps give them a role bonus of +25 warp strength to compensate?

"6. Ships jumping into lowsec cannot jump out until their combat timers have ended."

That's actually a cool idea. CONCORD using the same "magic" that prevents us from using doomsday, bubbles or bombs could prevent capitals from jumping out as long as they have a suspect/criminal flag in lowsec.
And regular points working on Motherships would be a very welcome addition too.

Will not hurt smaller entities who can wardec when they want to kill the POS/POCO of their arch-enemy, but would really hurt:
- the wealthy alliances who can hotdrop 10 Supercarriers to steal a pos or kill a lone carrier without taking any risk. Being forced to stay on field at least 15 minutes would make them think twice, being tackled by regular ships too.
- the hotdroppers who would think twice before sending their remote-repping archon on a fight at a gate/belt

All in all, it would greatly improve lowsec,

Pandemic Legion are clearly bored silly despite their participation in nullsec warts

You are so delightful, assuming that I am someone else to justify everything.

And on a day of POS bashing and killmails, much butthurt was to be found. And the tears were plentiful, and the harvest of them great; and there was much rejoicing...

1 Free moon = 1 Bil per month
Tear-filled pm while doing green boxes = 1 boring hour
Resulting tear thread and frantic denial of being the same person despite crying about all the same things = priceless

1 Free moon = 1 Bil per month
Tear-filled pm while doing green boxes = 1 boring hour
Resulting tear thread and frantic denial of being the same person despite crying about all the same things = priceless

3. Carriers and Dreads in LOWSEC can be warp jammed by anything.

I've read more of this topic now and you mention several times that EVE is a failure as a commercial product.

With one notable and tragic exception the customer base has continuously expanded since I started playing in 2007. I base this on the average number of logins i used to see in 2007 compared with now. The retention of those who last more than a few months is also high, as I looked up a loss mail from 2008 that had 37 people on the mail and of that 30 had updated portraits which means they've played in at least the last two years (can't remember exactly when the avatars changed).

The fact that EVE is still going after 10 years in an era where telling an investor that you want to make an MMO will immediately require you to talk them down off their window ledge speaks volumes. Most MMOs are dead or dying or switching to free-to-play (or two of three, you can't be simultaneously dead and dying) inside of a year. A lot of this probably has to do with the fact that EVE occupies a niche in the gaming community that as far as I am aware is not filled by anyone else but that is irrelevant. Who else has a brutal, cut-throat sandbox with a storyline almost completely dictated by the players all taking place in space where you can practically watch another version of human history unfold at high speed. No one as far as I know.

Yes, EVE loses a lot of subscriptions but this is likely due to design as with the way the game is made I don't think it could support having 11 million subscriptions without fracturing the servers and a big part of the goal here was to have everyone on a single server. Commercial success is all a matter of meeting your targets and as CCP soldiers on with an ever expanding subscriber base and meeting their game design targets it can not be labelled a failure. The reality is that EVE is harsh, most are weeded out quickly and many do not make the cut. If that is you be glad it didn't take you too too long to find that out.

Darkfall : Unholy Wars is more of a hardcore PvP game than EVE Online is now. So don't use words like "hardcore pvp" when EVE has non-PVP zones now, you can't evade or kill concord any more, and most of the players in most of the game space are NOT pvping.

EVE Online is a space mining, industry and trading game that *occasionally* has pvp. Don't pretend otherwise, because it is simply not true. If you want a real pvp game, go get one. I say this in the full knowledge that I love mining and making things :)

why are you talking about pvp when you never pvped?

wait, you actually did, 3 times, right?

n++[ 2013.07.17 12:18:19 ] Lady Flute > I haven't pvped mroe than 3 times in 7 years

also, i think i'm gonna waste my time and follow you and your m8s wherever you go and whatever you do to make your lifes miserable until you quit forever.

THAT'S MY NEW MISSION.

THAT'S HOW I ENJOY EVE ONLINE.

you gonna cry about it more now noob?

Actually the real issue is POS guns doing lol dmg. A single non siege Dread can easily tank a large pos full of guns/missile batteries with no much trouble, drop a couple dreads and carriers and it's cake party.

The real solution is to make those batteries hit really really hard as they should but give them capital guns tracking and explosion radius, eventually add a siege upgrade so small/medium guns have a huge dps increase but can't hit anything smaller than a 500m sign radius.

Killing the pos shouldn't be the hard work to do, right now it's like every single structure in this game, a matter of numbers and afk shooting until you're told to stop while watching some film.
The real hard work to do should be killing the POS guns and by hard I mean that if you want to take a POS down you should be really motivated and have a strategies to kill pos guns, bring more capitals or even supers to the field, put them at risk and bring more capital/super fights, force them to fight and put those assets at risk.

Right now all you need to be afk safe shooting a pos is as easy as warp your BS fleet at 150 from POS and snipe all modules with 0 risk or Drop a couple Dreads on top of the POS which is stupid, boring and brings nothing constructive or amazing as game play.

Interesting, you are talking about stalking this player until he leaves the game, suggest you read the EULA, so I will quote it to keep it in thread.

Not really crappy damage tbh. We had a large minmatar covered in guns and 6 pos gunners nearly tear apart a broken toys dread in under a minute. He wasnt seiged so he warped before I could unlock the guns in that crappy ui and burn out to him. And he had 2 archons repping him.
Mind you this was broken toys. They were bads. Never seen a pos take on a proper cap fleet.

Interesting, you are talking about stalking this player until he leaves the game, suggest you read the EULA, so I will quote it to keep it in thread.

and the goal is to weaken the ennemy, kill his moral, prevent him to enjoy the game etc.....
the more player got annoyed, the less they connect, and more their CEO start considering messing with us.

and this is valid tactic, there is many way to win a war, and when you are the underdog, a frontal fight is not in your favor, so other means are required, and there is nothing wrong with this at all, the game even push toward this!

this is what happen in every war, whether a wardec is on or not, if i have targets, whether invading my home or that i want to destroy, damn yes i'll make their life miserable, stalking them, hunting them, attempt to kill them on sight on any possible occasion. and this can go for month, until they leave the area or stop harrassing our pve boys / miners.

and the goal is to weaken the ennemy, kill his moral, prevent him to enjoy the game etc.....
the more player got annoyed, the less they connect, and more their CEO start considering messing with us.

and this is valid tactic, there is many way to win a war, and when you are the underdog, a frontal fight is not in your favor, so other means are required, and there is nothing wrong with this at all, the game even push toward this!

I suggest you read the EULA, and get it through your thick head that following/stalking people in EVE is just one of the many natures of this here beast; There is also nothing wrong with getting people to quit as 'harassment' is loosely defined in a game where it's perfectly legit to violence and/or steal all the things.

This threads hilarious, it's like a beam of concerntrated retardation.

I like how this noname pubbie is trying to come at Xolve like he's somebody

lol

I like how this noname pubbie is trying to come at Xolve like he's somebody

lol

thankfully I wil soon be off to 0.0 ..

No, CCP is working on a better solution. It's called World of Darkness, where there is perma death. But also the promise of much more meaningful gameplay, much richer social complexity, and wonderful clothing if their Carbon engine lives up to the old demos.

In all honesty, the "harden up or quit" idea is not working - 10 years on, EVE is alive but hardly booming, despite massive and sustained marketing efforts. EVE itself is being progressively dumbed down - just look at Odyssey. You don't need to scan down miners in belts any more, gee that makes the game require more skill! And taking the combat ships out of data sites ... YAY that made it ... oh wait. Themepark 101 designers seem to have taken over EVE. So I may as well advocate for themepark changes that support my playstyle.

And when WoD launches? Set long skill training, unsub EVE. If the new game lives up to its potential, and with CCP designing it I honestly believe it will, then EVE will quietly slip back into being nothing more than a curiosity game for accountants in space, with the design and advertising effort going into the new game that could actually make CCP a great deal of money. Yes, money ... not isk.

Yes, because all us space pirates want to go play dress-up with vampires.

Just wanted to add to the shiptoasting.

Carry on.

[quote=Dracvlad]As you've heard, we're all so bored and scared of Oh-OH that we're moving back to lowsec so my hat is off to you brave warrior.

Faction warfare and Dust mercs should play a part in cyno jamming low sec systems.

Confirmed. Pandemic Legion pilots were in low today whining about why thier pos was being reinforced by a bunch of no-name ants who didn't even bring a tank for PL to hotdrop.

Guess the weekend wasn't nearly fun enough to be in nullsec huh?


Oh, not even kidding. Given the comments above, find the PL pos nearest to you, and reinforce it. After all, they seem bored. They have nothing better to do than to troll all day on the forums,

So please. Show that you care.
Take the time to reinforce a Pandemic POS near you.


And if you kind of like PL., the reinforce the POS of the people they are arguing with ... TEST? I happily admit I have no idea who most of the people in this thread really are, or what they are meant to have done. They are not any of the nice peope who give mining buffs to me when I mine in highsec, I don't recognize them as trolls from Amarr or Jita (shoult out to Spaceship Barbie who adds life to the game), and I don't see any names from the blueprints sellers I buy from. So to me they really are a bunch of nobodies, because the Highsec game is where nearly everyone who pays for this game plays. If they didn't make the in-game billboard, then I assume they are really no-bodies anyway. So yes, take the time to reinforce a PL POS near you tomorrow, to show you care.

That you did.

But not before you. This makes me a sad panda.

I ttought you were an idiot in the Marmite thread, but you just excelled yourself in this one, how the hell did you get in PL, oh I know you have a Super...

I find it funny being called a pubbie by a toon slightly younger than me who has about the same number of kills that I have on this toon, but the majority of your kills over the last two months, if I am a pubbie what does that make you? You were in Test, hmmmm interesting did Test pay for your super and then you moved on, nah just pulling your leg.

This is actually a very VERY clever idea. But how would you implement that in game mechanic terms?