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Velicity
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:50:00 -
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I'm a fairly new player to EVE. After the first couple of weeks it took to get used to the game, I'm starting to wonder if new players are overly gimped?
I'm the type that will avoid PvP and play solo more then not (Doing agent missions and rat hunting). Does this mean I'm pretty much stuck in .5 and higher space forever?
Just looking for your feedback on how new players can expect to survive in Eve with all those that have been playing forever.
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Azuriel Talloth on 11/12/2005 22:51:56
New players have the most chance to compete here with older players than they do in any other MMORPG (in pvp)
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:53:00 -
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if you just observe the basic survival tactics of lowsec/0.0. Ie. Keep an eye on local and have safespots premade, you'll be safe 99% of the time.
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:54:00 -
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 Originally by: SengH
if you just observe the basic survival tactics of lowsec/0.0. Ie. Keep an eye on local and have safespots premade, you'll be safe 99% of the time.
i bubblecamp more than 1% of the time...
Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron
He's too busy adjusting his leather pants and mullet to worry about petty things such as physics.
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BloodSpoon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:55:00 -
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A lot of people have osld their mains to start over
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Log In
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Velicity
I'm a fairly new player to EVE. After the first couple of weeks it took to get used to the game, I'm starting to wonder if new players are overly gimped?
I'm the type that will avoid PvP and play solo more then not (Doing agent missions and rat hunting). Does this mean I'm pretty much stuck in .5 and higher space forever?
Just looking for your feedback on how new players can expect to survive in Eve with all those that have been playing forever.
1. Stop whining and make your own path.
2. If you want a hand, then go somewhere else. We don't wont weak people like you, anyway. |
Mned Graydroggen
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mned Graydroggen on 11/12/2005 23:03:16
Most of the space from 0.4 down to 0.1 is not as hostile as one might be led to believe.
Your are open game when you enter there yes, but that does not automaticaly mean that there are hunters around.
Use the map before moving in the lower sec systems. Set 'stars' setting to ships killed in the last hour and then reverence that to podkills in the last hour. These two will give you an indication of hunter presence.
Once in the low secs, keep an eye on local if you not feel convident. Use planets for short stops if you want to check out all the locals personal info before continuing.
Stuff like that, just go and enjoy, you'll learn quick enough.
Mned
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1. Stop whining and make your own path.
2. If you want a hand, then go somewhere else. We don't wont weak people like you, anyway.
Oh and ignore the forum trolls. Recognisable by stupid names and no corp info on the poster.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:01:00 -
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Operating solo and avoiding pvp at all cost will gimp your gameplay quite some yes.
You will most likely not be able to attain everything that people who do not impose these limits on themselves can.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: SengH
if you just observe the basic survival tactics of lowsec/0.0. Ie. Keep an eye on local and have safespots premade, you'll be safe 99% of the time.
i bubblecamp more than 1% of the time...
If you use your scanner or map you can see the bubble/gatecamp before hand easily. The tools are there to avoid it.
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Log In
1. Stop whining and make your own path.
2. If you want a hand, then go somewhere else. We don't wont weak people like you, anyway.
You win "This weekends most idiotic poster" award. It wasn't a whine, it was a polite question from a new player. I'd rather have legions of new blood in the game than just a few idiots like you.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Failin Zhar
Originally by: Log In
1. Stop whining and make your own path.
2. If you want a hand, then go somewhere else. We don't wont weak people like you, anyway.
You win "This weekends most idiotic poster" award. It wasn't a whine, it was a polite question from a new player. I'd rather have legions of new blood in the game than just a few idiots like you.
Quoted for truth, thanx Failin
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Gonada
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:12:00 -
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i concur, Log In you not have only won the most useless poster of the year award, but are nominated for the most clueless in game award too.
the cool thing bout eve is that newer players can indeed make a differance, and not only compete, but compete with the more piont capped people.
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Nicholai Pestot
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Velicity
I'm a fairly new player to EVE. After the first couple of weeks it took to get used to the game, I'm starting to wonder if new players are overly gimped?
I'm the type that will avoid PvP and play solo more then not (Doing agent missions and rat hunting). Does this mean I'm pretty much stuck in .5 and higher space forever?
Just looking for your feedback on how new players can expect to survive in Eve with all those that have been playing forever.
You may have trouble in 0.0 flying solo, as there is not much of a infrastructure there to support you (as 95% of all items you are going to use are player made, and people dont sell them freely in 0.0, you will be stuffed for replacements).
Lowsec however (0.4 to 0.1) is easy to do solo. Warp bubbles can't be used so with good instas, safe spots and a beady eye on local you will be almost totaly safe.
Of course, you will do better if you join up with other people...and i have to ask why you would pay a monthly fee to play a multiplayer game in effectivly singleplayer mode..why not just buy a singleplayer game?
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:21:00 -
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If you dont like pvp and want to play solo eve is really not the best game out there for that - you will miss all the best things the game has to offer.
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Velicity
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:48:00 -
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Thank you for all the quick and mature replies (minus the troll) ;)
Well maybe I should clarify a bit. By avoiding PvP doesn't mean I won't defead myself when the need comes, but I won't go out of my way to look for it either. If that makes sense. I'm shooting for an Assualt ship (wolf). I don't know how well I would survive against most playes in PvP, especially solo.
As for solo, I'm more of an RP'er and I don't join groups (corps/guilds/clans) on a whim. So I may join a corp or even make my own down the road.
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Nolan Moon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
If you dont like pvp and want to play solo eve is really not the best game out there for that - you will miss all the best things the game has to offer.
Seconded. The grinding mechanics in EVE are fairly boring in the long run, IMO. It's the universe around the grind that makes things interesting.
Then again, some people like to pay $15/mo for a chatroom with a pretty wallpaper. More power to them.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:55:00 -
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EVE is the most newbie-friendly game out there.
Intelligence and teamwork are far more important than skill points.
But yes, without teamwork, you will be very limited in EVE. Some things simply can't be done alone, whether you're a newbie or a veteran.
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Kara Kaprica
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Posted - 2005.12.12 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kara Kaprica on 12/12/2005 00:23:48
Edited by: Kara Kaprica on 12/12/2005 00:22:12
Originally by: Log In
Originally by: Velicity
I'm a fairly new player to EVE. After the first couple of weeks it took to get used to the game, I'm starting to wonder if new players are overly gimped?
I'm the type that will avoid PvP and play solo more then not (Doing agent missions and rat hunting). Does this mean I'm pretty much stuck in .5 and higher space forever?
Just looking for your feedback on how new players can expect to survive in Eve with all those that have been playing forever.
1. Stop whining and make your own path.
2. If you want a hand, then go somewhere else. We don't wont weak people like you, anyway.
go troll somewhere else you dumb alt
on a side note OP, there are some good Minmatar RP corps out there, some of which are heavy PVP, some of which arent, look them up.
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seeyouauntie
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Posted - 2005.12.12 00:32:00 -
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You can definitely compete with older players. Just specialize in what you want to fly.. it doesn't take too long to get into a wolf, and get tech 2 guns.
And get yourself into a good corp. Teamwork is a big part of Eve.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Velicity
I'm the type that will avoid PvP and play solo more then not.
As others have pointed above:
-PvP is fairly easy to avoid
-Playing solo is perfectly possible, but you will miss some important parts of the game.
In fact, in many occasions numbers and teamwork is what counts, much more than skill points. A 2 weeks old rookie can be a deadly addition to any squad of vets; a few rookies can kill a vet fairly easy, having only a fraction of the skillpoints and the gear.
If you are interested in RP corps, you have a list here. Also check the IG Summit (RP) section of this forums.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:48:00 -
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I may be making a new main (yes again  ) soon. While the loss of sp will hurt, in the long run nothing will change in how I play.
So yes a new player can be competitive if they want.
~Sobe
Originally by: TomB
Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try 
so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut?
Yup.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2005.12.12 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Log In
Originally by: Velicity
I'm a fairly new player to EVE. After the first couple of weeks it took to get used to the game, I'm starting to wonder if new players are overly gimped?
I'm the type that will avoid PvP and play solo more then not (Doing agent missions and rat hunting). Does this mean I'm pretty much stuck in .5 and higher space forever?
Just looking for your feedback on how new players can expect to survive in Eve with all those that have been playing forever.
1. Stop whining and make your own path.
2. If you want a hand, then go somewhere else. We don't wont weak people like you, anyway.
Please unplug your keyboard, the forum dont need people like you; the guy was asking a simple question so instead of trying to be some internet tough guy and typing some retard comment to someone seeking help. Instead of calling someone weak for using their brains and seeking help? you could maybe "log in" to your real character and talk tough on that instead?
please end yourself
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General Meridus
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Posted - 2005.12.12 04:32:00 -
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Something to consider is the fact that "old players" are quickly becoming a minority. With the huge population increase, it seems the majority of players I see in Empire are only a few months old. That changes when I travel in 0.0, and the age of the accounts increase. But the fabled 30m+ skill point players, like this toon, are few and far between.
What this really means is the newer players are competing with themselves. It looks like this trend will continue. As in the real world, there will always be someone richer and stronger than you. Don't bother worrying about them. Form up your groups, and go out there and have fun!
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.12.12 04:38:00 -
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It is just tipping the point where you could say that Newbies could compete. SO long as there were relatively few level 5 prereqs this was true. However it really isn't the case anymore.
Every level 5 prereq should be changed to level 4, end of story. SPecialisation is nice... but it is now excessive beyond belief.
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2005.12.12 04:41:00 -
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 Where there is a will and the game mechanics allow it there is a way.
Lack of will power has caused more failure than lack of intelligence or ability.
Your mind is your greatest weapon.
And the most important one
Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!
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Calenth
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Posted - 2005.12.12 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
if you just observe the basic survival tactics of lowsec/0.0. Ie. Keep an eye on local and have safespots premade, you'll be safe 99% of the time.
The averagae new player won't know what a safespot is, much less have one made.
to answer the OP's question:
My corp has about 200+ relative newbies and 50 or so experienced vets, and we do fine, but we have pretty good organization and leadership. Given about a month or two to train up skills, new players can do fine, if they stay organized and play in groups. There aren't that many long term vets, comparatively speaking. The population is growing quickly.
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Calenth
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Posted - 2005.12.12 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
It is just tipping the point where you could say that Newbies could compete. SO long as there were relatively few level 5 prereqs this was true. However it really isn't the case anymore.
Every level 5 prereq should be changed to level 4, end of story. SPecialisation is nice... but it is now excessive beyond belief.
The BIG problem for newbies is tier 2 ships.
Most everything else, the differences are gradual, and diminishing returns apply.
But tier 2 ships give very large advantages that far exceed the typical +5% additional advantage from a level 5 skill.
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Kular
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Posted - 2005.12.12 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Velicity
Thank you for all the quick and mature replies (minus the troll) ;)
Well maybe I should clarify a bit. By avoiding PvP doesn't mean I won't defead myself when the need comes, but I won't go out of my way to look for it either. If that makes sense. I'm shooting for an Assualt ship (wolf). I don't know how well I would survive against most playes in PvP, especially solo.
As for solo, I'm more of an RP'er and I don't join groups (corps/guilds/clans) on a whim. So I may join a corp or even make my own down the road.
If your into RP read the Intergalactic Summit Forums to see whats going on. Sadly alot of it is trash these days, but you will at least see some RP corps out there.
Also join the Race channels in-game to help find rp corps. ie Amarr, Caldar.. ect
As for solo player, I know many succesful solo players. You have to really enjoy Missions, and Rat hunting though. You can even solo hunt in 0.0, just need to get(buy) permission from some alliance.
Honestly look around and find a group that fits you though, makes the game alot better.
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Garik Daemon
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Posted - 2005.12.12 06:30:00 -
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Thread cleaned up. Please do not troll/flame, especially against new characters.
Velicity you can visit the ingame help channels as well. Just click on the channels button and join the 'help' channel. You should receive some help there as well.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.12.12 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Calenth
The averagae new player won't know what a safespot is, much less have one made.
Something he has to learn. Solo playing in EVE doesn't mean that you can do your stuff without being effected by other players, especially in 0.0 and low sec. There is no 'leave me alone button'.
So even if people don't want to fight in low sec or 0.0, they have to learn to survive. That's also the reason why I usually feel no mercy with carebears who get blown up in low sec and 0.0. I think they deserve it, if they are careless and don't adapt to the threats there.
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