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Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:50:00 -
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Why do drone ships still have a slot penalty? The slot penalty was from "back in the day" when there was almost no drone upgrades. It has been 5+ years since that penalty was relevant. Stop putting it on new ships. Drone boats are hardly used enough to justify a penalty these days.
Also the Ishtar still has the cripplingly low CPU it inherited from the Tier 2 Vexor almost a decade ago.
Also, the role bonus will rarely be used on most HACs. |
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:53:00 -
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Yanarix Blitz wrote:Voith wrote:Why do drone ships still have a slot penalty? The slot penalty was from "back in the day" when there was almost no drone upgrades. It has been 5+ years since that penalty was relevant. Stop putting it on new ships. Drone boats are hardly used enough to justify a penalty these days.
Also the Ishtar still has the cripplingly low CPU it inherited from the Tier 2 Vexor almost a decade ago.
Also, the role bonus will rarely be used on most HACs. so true +1
Gallente get ******, Winmatar get unneeded buffs.
WHO COULD HAVE FORSEEN THIS!!!111one
Seriously, just compare the base stats of the Vaga and the Ishtar, it is a goddamn joke. |
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:21:00 -
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Suitonia wrote:These changes all look good. However the Ishtar could still use a bit more CPU.
By a bit, do you mean 150? |
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Harvey James wrote:Fr0stle wrote:I'll just add my voice to the group and ask for some more CPU on the Ishtar. It was always CPU gimped and now we have all these new drone modules that are CPU heavy too. More CPU is needed to make this ship viable in it's intended role. that and reducing CPU on all drone mods would make sense ... also add a drone tracking for the lows like a TE for drones. GǪor, hell, just to enforce the whole GǣT2 = specialisationGǥ angleGǪ How about having the Ishtar reduce the CPU need for drone mods? That way, the ship can maintain its limited CPU to keep it from being too versatile, but you can still pack it absolutely full of the very specific set of mods that are related to its niche without making those available to every ship out there. At -10%/level, that would mean Omnilink IIs at 29.5 tf, Drone link IIs at 27.5 tf, and Drone damage amps at 15 tf when you have HAC V.
The first decent idea you have ever had. |
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:01:00 -
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riando wrote:Guys, I hope you're joking,
" Vaga anyway as a close range active brawler"
Or you know nothing about vaga, or ... i hope you're joking, vaga its a kite long range ship! It has not slots from active tank!
So, ideal would be maximize bonus for tracking&faloff. And nothing new not need!
Holy **** people.
The vaga got nothing but buffs.
It's called an ASB. Look it up, fit one, experience Godmode on Vaga. |
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:03:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Alright I've been pretty busy today but I'm trying to catch up on feedback. Here's some initial thoughts:
I'll look at the Ishtar fitting. To me it seems like one of the stronger HACs already and it gained a bonus to damage projection and application so I didn't see a need to give it even more buffs. I don't think of it as a ship that ought to be running medium sized mods in all its high slots. All that said, I'll have another look.
So.. you don't expect the Ishtar, a Heavy Assault Cruiser, to use Cruiser sized Modules?
Why is it constantly Gallente, and Drone Ships, that get random gimping?
If you "balanced" any of the other HACs around using Frigate modules people would laugh.
Wait, people ARE laughing at the Ishtar changes!
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Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:32:00 -
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sten mattson wrote:The zealot needs either another high/mid or at least a flight of light drones plz.
You did that for the stabber so why not now ? :D
Are you really asking why Winmatar and Amarr aren't treated the same? |
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:05:00 -
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Akimo Heth wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Hey guys, I'm back at work after having nightmares all night of running out of Ishtar CPU
We're reading all this, as usual, and will iterate based on it, as usual. We have some time (because everyone here is on vacation so I can do what I want #yolobalancing) so I want to wait until after the weekend to commit to anything. I might post again in a bit about some of our high level strategy as there is clearly some frustration about the contrast between HACs and the nice powerpoints about T2 specialization.
Please keep up the discussion and I'll be back soon with more info. Shocking that a Gallente ship is the first to be looked at (judging from your previous post). Their BS's were immediately fixed in their tieracide while the other races went 100+ pages with no meaningful iteration.
Well... if they designed for Gallente ships weren't blatantly half-assed to begin with they wouldn't need a second iteration. |
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.21 13:47:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:Yun Kuai wrote:
TL:DR these HACs should have individual role bonuses that should support their niche role.
yes why give them all the same , which only benefits vaga ?:O makes no sense at all
Are you really surprised that CCP only thinks of Minmatar when redesigning ships? |
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