I hear the Russian players are sorta like a giant hornet nest. Go kick those.

Admittedly, I still don't understand how to work many of the mechanics that EVE has, and on that note, my humble opinions:

PVP is a net isk and time sink. Stuff is destroyed forever, effort of days/weeks/months work can be unraveled by a determined player, spy, or suicide ganker. In order to replace it, we have to do (mostly) non-pvp related activities. If you pick missions, you have to really do L4's, which means months of training to get into a decent fit battleship, so even if you just joined to do frig combats all day, you can't make frigs pay for themselves, as L1/L2 missions are too much of a time sink to keep replacing them.

Most people I have met so far that make isk faster then they can explode it, are 5+ year old players. I'm still struggling - after logging on casually, while skilling up for a year - to get a personal stable economy going, using alts for missions to fund market activity, in order to keep this toon, right here, in future pvp fights, and yes, I'm doing a bad job, because after said year, the "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" means I'll be sticking to T1 frigs/fits, considering how easy it is to zig instead of zag, and get them exploded. In hindsight, would of been easier to spend an entire year maxing a Rifter, then just throw PLEX'es in and go look for fights.

I had (originally) expected to see mechanics in EVE that catered to playing "tiers". You want to stick to low end ships, then low end activities like L1's, or hisec exploration etc, would fund it, but L1's pay out maybe 2 mill an hour, and a T1-T2 fitted frig will usually be what, 5+ mill? You seriously expect the new players to grind multiple hours for 5-10 minutes of combat? And that's assuming they survive 2/3 times.

You have to play EVE for the long haul (and god am I trying) but most kids these days with 400 Steam games, have a rather short game attention span, so we have the current situation, with some people always hungry for blood that will kill anything that flies by and complain they don't have enough targets, and people that are trying to quietly make money, and avoid pvp, because in most cases every loss they incur when say a freighter or T2 mining ship explodes is basically the same as telling them "You know all those hours you spent playing this game last week? Well, pretend it never happened", of course they cry, It's like you just wiped their favorite Minecraft save game.

You all wanted EVE to be harsh, and it's what we have, heck, that's why I finally started playing, but quit complaining about players that don't enjoy having a sandcastle they spent an entire day putting up being kicked over, simply because you enjoy doing the kicking.

I hear the Russian players are sorta like a giant hornet nest. Go kick those.

Not seen as fun, and too expensive to consider. Then hating it when you inevitably lose this stake, since noone wins every time.

Most prospective pvpers don't pvp because they don't want to lose their 500mil learning implant sets

Just pointing out Combat is merely a subset of PvP. People in Eve already PvP in almost everything they do.

This skill says your wrong.

And with gate-camps, realistically - what are the average person's chances? Pretty low...

What happens when you jump clone. Think please.

I went low/0.0 pvp like a month into the game. Best way to learn pvp is to actually do it. Station spinng/mission spamming the entire time to train the perfect wolf will not help that player out as much as just starting to head out at "lowly" frigate 4 in as many rfiters as they can afford to fly.

You want to get a carebear to fight in PvE? Give him something worth fighting, and even dying for. Give him a reason not to run at the first sign of the enemy.

What happens when you jump clone. Think please.

they don't lose their 500m implants when podded



fucks sake. how is that hard to understand

Some people, jeez.

You should have just ended your post here, this hits it on the head. We don't want to pvp. I know a certain percentage of you pvp'rs just cannot get that point into your heads but really is "We don't want to pvp" a concept that is so intellectually elusive that you must post these sorts of suggestions ad nauseam?