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Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:46:00 -
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You know, what is so sad about this.
Like with Greece and Spain, it's the ordinary hardworking folk who are going to suffer. The people who are only interested in earning enough money to look afer their families, pay their way through life, and have a bit left over for treats now and then.
But the people who have brought that fine city to it's knees, rather then being hauled up and made to account for their actions, they will be walking off with their already overfull pockets stuffed with even more money.
Perhaps we should all get our 'Vendetta' masks out, even died in the wool old farts like me, the player behind Max.
*Looks to his front doot, and waits for the people from MI5/CIA to come and kick it down and drag him off* |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
73229
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:47:00 -
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^_^
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
712
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:59:00 -
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It is all a joke! The people at the top point fingers at all the moochers errr I mean the helpless at the bottom for taking all our hard earned tax money for welfare..... People at the bottom point to the top where white collar thieves errrr I mean State/Federal officials are allowed to 'forget' to report tens of thousands of $ in gifts.
EDIT: They are in cahoots with each other I tell ya.......... to add a little color to my off color post |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
22628
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:33:00 -
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Detroit has approx 700,000 citizens as we speak, down from around 1.8 million in the late 1960's.
All those city employees who were working back then are now retired and of course deserve all their retirement pay, but it's too much to be funded by the current dearth of population, thus the bankruptcy.
The amazing thing is they have been trying to sell artworks from their city art institutions to pay for this issue. Sorry, that's not how it works Detroit.
Those works can only be sold to buy other works of art. You don't sell your cultural treasures to fund correcting the mistakes made by decades of corruption and monetary squandering.
Bankruptcy is the only way to go.
Stockton, CA,............. Detroit, MI.....................next. And there will be a next. It ain't over. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
718
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:01:00 -
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Detroit also been trying to sell thousands of properties that have been in disrepair for decades. You can literally by acres upon acres of property extremely extremely cheap, but the cost to demolish the buildings, haul out the trash and the lack of a foreseeable opportunity to recover any cash and turn a profit has kept all land tycoons from tossing a penny at the properties |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
22633
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:08:00 -
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"The Chicago public school district announced Thursday that it was laying off about 2,100 teachers and support staff GÇö a figure more than twice as large as the teachers union head was expecting and one the district blamed on the Legislature's failure to reach a deal on pension reform."
""We were hoping to get pension reform in Springfield," she said. "That did not happen. That has brought the pension crisis to the doorstep of our schools," she said."
"Thursday's announcement came as lawyers for the nation's third-largest school district were in a federal courtroom defending Chicago's plan to shutter some 50 schools."
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Chicago-Public-Schools-announce-layoff-of-2-110-4673772.php
....."and there will be a next". |
Alara IonStorm
5211
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:13:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:"The Chicago public school district announced Thursday that it was laying off about 2,100 teachers and support staff GÇö a figure more than twice as large as the teachers union head was expecting and one the district blamed on the Legislature's failure to reach a deal on pension reform." ""We were hoping to get pension reform in Springfield," she said. "That did not happen. That has brought the pension crisis to the doorstep of our schools," she said." "Thursday's announcement came as lawyers for the nation's third-largest school district were in a federal courtroom defending Chicago's plan to shutter some 50 schools." http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Chicago-Public-Schools-announce-layoff-of-2-110-4673772.php....."and there will be a next". The students won't suffer, the US government is on the job making sure there are plenty of places for those children to continue their education.
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
718
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:14:00 -
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I love that there is no mention of cutting any of the salaries of elected city officials in half |
Adunh Slavy
1173
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:01:00 -
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Max Godsnottlingson wrote:Like with Greece and Spain, it's the ordinary hardworking folk who are going to suffer. The people who are only interested in earning enough money to look afer their families, pay their way through life, and have a bit left over for treats now and then.
But the people who have brought that fine city to it's knees, rather then being hauled up and made to account for their actions, they will be walking off with their already overfull pockets stuffed with even more money.
So the voters that listened to the politicians, and voted for the promise of 'free stuff', paid for by stealing money from the productive base of the economy aka taxes, share no fault?
It's easier to blame the greed of a few, than blame the greed of the crowd, why stop pandering to the mob now when it has always worked in the past. The same pandering that created the problem in the first place.
Stop electing people that want power and promise government hand outs. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
24953
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:18:00 -
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Bankruptcy might end up ultimately being the best thing that ever hapoened to the place. Sure its a post apocalyptic wasteland, but this is rock bottom. Nowhere to go but up.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede! |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
22644
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:25:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:I love that there is no mention of cutting any of the salaries of elected city officials in half
That's not the problem, as they are already down to skeleton staff.
They need to track down the original perpetrators of the corrupt system that led to this.
But as most of those city officials were in their 40s and 50s in the 1970s and 1980s, most of them are 'not with us any longer'.
Since they are safely in the ground, all Detroit can do is re-structure and move on at this point. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7308
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:33:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Bankruptcy might end up ultimately being the best thing that ever hapoened to the place. Sure its a post apocalyptic wasteland, but this is rock bottom. Nowhere to go but up.
It hasn't reached the level of Gary yet...
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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
24954
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:40:00 -
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Isn't the whote elephant in the room being ignored? The UAW? I mean European and Japanese cars are an order ofagnitude better than their American counterparts, even ones under Ford and GM ojtside the atatea use different models that go over 30mpg as standard. Volkswagen and Toyota desighn a car, and build it everywhere, Chrysler might end up being the best given they are using more advanced FIAT enginens a d are owned by the italian firm.
End of the day they were selling an inferior product because the UAW didn't have the strategic understanding that they were making so much because the rest of the world was in ruin and the starving German and Japanese populations didn't need to worry about poor Detroiters while they built better, faster and cheaper.
First the auto industry, then the Higgs Boson. Methinks America needs to wake up to the fact that the whole world is capitalist, and free trade works both ways, or it willbe eate for breakfast by leaner morr ambitious nations.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede! |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
172
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:46:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:They need to track down the original perpetrators of the corrupt system that led to this.
Whoever invented capitalism died hundreds if not thousands of years ago. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
22652
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:48:00 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:They need to track down the original perpetrators of the corrupt system that led to this. Whoever invented capitalism died hundreds if not thousands of years ago.
Good point. |
Adunh Slavy
1175
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:51:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Isn't the whote elephant in the room being ignored? The UAW?
You're not allowed to blame unions, because that makes you a greedy capitalist, of course you have to ignore the greed of the union bosses too. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
24960
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:58:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Kirjava wrote:Isn't the whote elephant in the room being ignored? The UAW? You're not allowed to blame unions, because that makes you a greedy capitalist, of course you have to ignore the greed of the union bosses too. No, we are unionised and support a national health service at the same time getting more done with less % of gdp (USA 17% vs 8%). This isn't about the union movement or socialism, this is how the UAW itself has ****** up.
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
727
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Posted - 2013.07.19 14:15:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I love that there is no mention of cutting any of the salaries of elected city officials in half That's not the problem, as they are already down to skeleton staff. They need to track down the original perpetrators of the corrupt system that led to this. But as most of those city officials were in their 40s and 50s in the 1970s and 1980s, most of them are 'not with us any longer'. Since they are safely in the ground, all Detroit can do is re-structure and move on at this point.
But are the salaries and post employment perks of the remaining truly reasonable? This is a acceptable question for every local, state and federal bureaucrat. I do not believe, in any shape, form or fashion that this 'fix' would solve a decent portion of the fiscal problem at any governmental level. No one should ever go, "Hey I want to work for the government because the pay and perks are just too good to ignore." They should be saying, "I want to work for the government because I want to serve my fellow citizens." |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
172
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Posted - 2013.07.19 14:25:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:But are the salaries and post employment perks of the remaining truly reasonable? This is a acceptable question for every local, state and federal bureaucrat. I do not believe, in any shape, form or fashion that this 'fix' would solve a decent portion of the fiscal problem at any governmental level. No one should ever go, "Hey I want to work for the government because the pay and perks are just too good to ignore." They should be saying, "I want to work for the government because I want to serve my fellow citizens."
Granted I'm no expert on US government official salaries but what I've picked up on from many a newsposts pasted around the web is that most officials - particularly congress level, but lower as well - are already millionaires. I remembere there coming a ruckus when one official refused to give their salary for whatever charity was relevant at the time (possibly Haiti?) because she wasn't rich unlike just about everyone else working with her.
That said, I think no elected official should earn much more than the average consumer which is what, around 44k a year in the US (median income, I know many earn much less)? |
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3301
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:12:00 -
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Hello from sunny Detroit, where the [lack of] local government enforcement is helping along a boom in local business. Of course, we still have to deal with the state of Michigan and the federal collectivists, but any relief from parasitic state hangers-on is welcome.
I get the feeling that the rest of the world believes we're in bad shape because of this. You couldn't be more wrong. The public sector is dying here and that's exactly what we need to get productive people back on their feet. Start-ups here are booming.
Now back to your regularly scheduled liberal/conservative circle-jerk.
(The problem isn't how much parasites are paid. The problem is that they are parasites. HTH) |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
22715
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:25:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:
But are the salaries and post employment perks of the remaining truly reasonable?
Even if not, this point would only be a drop in the financial bucket of what went wrong there including costs of now long-ignored infrastructure and accumulated debt from other internal processes. And hidden payments, bribes, and funneled monies. Ad infinitum. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
25001
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:46:00 -
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Politicians neex to get paid too, if you pay them pennies in a culture like Americas what kind of people do you think will go for it? Politicians see the rest of the public sector abqndon the notion of civil service and get paid "their fair share" too. We have a similar outrage with MPs over here 65k in London, center of global finance and capitaliam doea not stretch far. Especialy when other civil servents in admin positions are paid double that. Personaly I say a progressive tax system with the money earmarked for infrastructure development, not general consumption.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
22716
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:07:00 -
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Also, they need to look at all the Corporations based in Detroit that avoid paying taxes and "super-fund" their CEO's.
I'm sure there is enough money involved on those 2 points to have saved the City. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
741
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:50:00 -
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we have similar issues here (with politician pay & corporate tax dodging)
public sector workers here are, for the work they do, quite low paid nurses, firemen, police, soldiers have had minimal pay rises, pay freezes and when it's all taken into account, with inflation, the rising cost of living, they have had a pay cut.
yet our mp's (also public sector employees) are saying they need a minimum -ú6k pa increase .. a full 30% is what they are really after they fraudulently claim expenses they receive 'gifts' from private corporations & financial instutions (aka bribes/back handers) 'gifts' that they for a large part don't declare
amazon & starbucks have been underpaying their tax bill for years, using clever accounting to give the impression that their uk based operations run at a loss .... F.O. if they really ran at a loss, they'd pull the plug and go where profits are made, but no, they still operate here, so the operation must be profitable
our mp's do nothing. not that they received an undeclared starbuck or amazon funded 'gift' of course sadly we're catching you up at least your allowed to legally own a firearm, our mp's feel so much safer here, because we can't. |
jason hill
The Riot Formation
328
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:02:00 -
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easy solution to detroits ecomomic malaise ... turn it into one big massive prison ! ..it might cost a few bucks to throw a few walls up to keep the cons in ..and a few guard towers here and there ...but a bit of electric fencing should keep the cost low ... plus you should get a bit of a federal hand out !
just think of the cost savings for the nation as a whole ...no more this regional prisons malarkey and transferring prisoners from state to state ...no more con- air
escape from Detroit !!! ...I cant wait for the movie
im joking BTW
but he he ..its allways an option |
peacebee
Dirt 'n' Glitter
56
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:25:00 -
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Is the police force going to be privatised? |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
25008
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:30:00 -
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Omnicorp shares are up following the announcement.
And I the UK I feel maybe 110-120k would be about right for an MP, or cut down on headteacher and GP pay to take into account MPs. Personaly I saw the latter, keep in mind the after tax rate they get to keep and what they earn before taking the job. One of the panel from Labour at the last Question Time (Americ needs something like that, they did ola one off in Washington in 2008) pointed out she took a 30k paycut to become an MP from being in the NHS.
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jason hill
The Riot Formation
329
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:47:00 -
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peacebee wrote:Is the police force going to be privatised?
I thought that most of the police forces in the states were privatised ?. |
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
25011
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:51:00 -
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jason hill wrote:peacebee wrote:Is the police force going to be privatised? I thought that most of the police forces in the states were privatised ?. They also sell Telescreens to see if their advertiskng is working, to try and tailor targeted advertising. And as a gamesconsole, hell the item of british horror even described the creepiest part "can even see your heartbeat" as a feature.
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Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
4026
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:02:00 -
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they should have put up that robocop statue. give the people something to believe in. |
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