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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
698
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Posted - 2013.07.25 12:03:00 -
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Gamer4liff wrote:
There's zero RP justification to not have name changes available. EVE is a dark place after all, and adding a low hoop (clicking a tab on their char's info) for people to jump through to read somebody's name history would not be the end of the world. Quite the contrary, it would be a good follow up to the changes in the Bounty expansion in a narrative sense.
Sorry Gamer4liff, but clicking through peoples Bio to see if they were someone else adds another complexity to Eve that just isn't an enjoyable gaming experience.
Let me give an example:
Lets say, I live in a quiet system, happily mining. I 'know' the locals and people who frequent the system. There are a couple of people I watch out for:
'EvilDude666' - this guy suicide ganks miners. 'Bumpmeister' - this guy bumps people off a belt he wants to mine himself.
If I see one of these guys enter local, I modify my behavior to suit the situation.
Now with name changes.... every unknown who enters local, I have to click 'show pilot info', select the 'alias' tab.... I basically spend my gaming time checking the aliases of people. Not Fun.
All that name changes will accomplish is make 'Known' pilots, 'Unknowns' again. (and in a game where actions have consequences, this should not be allowed)
Yes I am aware Eve is a 'dark' place, people harp on about realism, and we can do this in RL so why not in Eve.... But it boils down to this... Eve is a Game! It needs to be enjoyable.... adding more tedium, for the sake of 'realism' will not help the game.
Please Note: I have not addressed the Char Bazaar... that is a necessary evil that I don't think should be allowed, but I understand why it is in place.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:10:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Gamer4liff wrote:
There's zero RP justification to not have name changes available. EVE is a dark place after all, and adding a low hoop (clicking a tab on their char's info) for people to jump through to read somebody's name history would not be the end of the world. Quite the contrary, it would be a good follow up to the changes in the Bounty expansion in a narrative sense.
Sorry Gamer4liff, but clicking through peoples Bio to see if they were someone else adds another complexity to Eve that just isn't an enjoyable gaming experience. Let me give an example: Lets say, I live in a quiet system, happily mining. I 'know' the locals and people who frequent the system. There are a couple of people I watch out for: 'EvilDude666' - this guy suicide ganks miners. 'Bumpmeister' - this guy bumps people off a belt he wants to mine himself. If I see one of these guys enter local, I modify my behavior to suit the situation. Now with name changes.... every unknown who enters local, I have to click 'show pilot info', select the 'alias' tab.... I basically spend my gaming time checking the aliases of people. Not Fun. All that name changes will accomplish is make 'Known' pilots, 'Unknowns' again. (and in a game where actions have consequences, this should not be allowed) Yes I am aware Eve is a 'dark' place, people harp on about realism, and we can do this in RL so why not in Eve.... But it boils down to this... Eve is a Game! It needs to be enjoyable.... adding more tedium, for the sake of 'realism' will not help the game. Please Note: I have not addressed the Char Bazaar... that is a necessary evil that I don't think should be allowed, but I understand why it is in place. If properly implemented you would get an evemail notification sent to you that he changed his name if you set his standings (which I'm imagining you would if you're really keeping track of people by individuals and not their corporations). That would be sufficient notice.
Also no offense but if you're mining in lowsec with a new unknown neut in system, you're kind of leaving yourself open to attack at a baseline level, regardless of any namechange mechanics. If it's really a quiet system I also wouldn't see a problem with somebody clicking and showing info on new people as they enter the system. You say it like it would be an undue burden of time, but it wouldn't be any longer than auditing new individuals entering the system normally.
Good input though, and I see where you're coming from. It's good that we don't lose consequences of actions. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10979
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:30:00 -
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Crystal Stills wrote:I don't much care about the +3.0 sec status. I was just trying to make it less criminal friendly.
Chribba and Gamer4liff also had good input to the topic and what Gamer4liff said I agree with. The thing I can't stress the most though is to make it a one time deal per account to prevent this from being abused.
In my experience the pirates with -10.0 sec are generally pretty proud of their reputation and would have no particular wish to change their name to escape that rep.
The "criminals" who would want to whitewash their characters names are (much like in real life) rarely the sort of pirates who get chased by the police. You don't take a sec hit for margin trade scams or corp thefts or pyramid schemes or awoxing or spying.
Sec status is a non issue here tbh.
1 Kings 12:11
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
698
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:32:00 -
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Gamer4liff wrote: If properly implemented you would get an evemail notification sent to you that he changed his name if you set his standings (which I'm imagining you would if you're really keeping track of people by individuals and not their corporations). That would be sufficient notice.
Also no offense but if you're mining in lowsec with a new unknown neut in system, you're kind of leaving yourself open to attack at a baseline level, regardless of any namechange mechanics. If it's really a quiet system I also wouldn't see a problem with somebody clicking and showing info on new people as they enter the system. You say it like it would be an undue burden of time, but it wouldn't be any longer than auditing new individuals entering the system normally.
Good input though, and I see where you're coming from. It's good that we don't lose consequences of actions.
I was actually thinking about Hi-Sec for my example.
Also, even with setting standings, a name change turns a 'known' someone, into an 'unknown' someone. (until i spend time checking bio's)
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.25 15:22:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Gamer4liff wrote: If properly implemented you would get an evemail notification sent to you that he changed his name if you set his standings (which I'm imagining you would if you're really keeping track of people by individuals and not their corporations). That would be sufficient notice.
Also no offense but if you're mining in lowsec with a new unknown neut in system, you're kind of leaving yourself open to attack at a baseline level, regardless of any namechange mechanics. If it's really a quiet system I also wouldn't see a problem with somebody clicking and showing info on new people as they enter the system. You say it like it would be an undue burden of time, but it wouldn't be any longer than auditing new individuals entering the system normally.
Good input though, and I see where you're coming from. It's good that we don't lose consequences of actions.
I was actually thinking about Hi-Sec for my example. Also, even with setting standings, a name change turns a 'known' someone, into an 'unknown' someone. (until i spend time checking bio's) Fair point.
Upon further reflection of the example though, if you set them a standing (as you should if you're keeping track of people individually and all), their bad standing would still be preserved through the name change and you'd see a fairly large red flag whenever they entered local chat seeing the standing next to their name. If I'm remembering the existing system working like that right. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
38
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Posted - 2013.07.25 19:13:00 -
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Gamer4liff wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote: I was actually thinking about Hi-Sec for my example.
Also, even with setting standings, a name change turns a 'known' someone, into an 'unknown' someone. (until i spend time checking bio's)
Fair point. Upon further reflection of the example though, if you set them a standing (as you should if you're keeping track of people individually and all), their bad standing would still be preserved through the name change and you'd see a fairly large red flag whenever they entered local chat seeing the standing next to their name. If I'm remembering the existing system working like that right. jint has been posting in this topic since it was first created and we've been saying the entire time he'd get a notification. He's either incapable of reading or trolling. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
699
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Posted - 2013.07.26 08:20:00 -
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Yes i know you have been saying that a notification would be sent out. 'if you have that person set to some level of standing'
Maybe I am playing Eve 'wrong', but I personally don't have everyone I recognize in Eve setup with a standing.
I'm sure there are people out there, in the bigger alliances, or regulars in the more lawless parts of the Eve universe who have hundreds of people setup in their standings. If people start regularly changing their names, thats going to be a nightmare to keep track of.
Even so, with this idea we are now playing 'keep track of notifications about who is who', and if you ask me it adds another layer of complexity which does not make Eve more fun to play. (and it is a game, which is supposed to be enjoyable)
As you can probably tell, I don't support name-changes in Eve. Never have.. never will. I'm sorry if you think I'm 'incapable of reading' (i'm not!) or that I'm Trolling (also not).
Fly Safe!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
126
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Posted - 2013.07.26 12:29:00 -
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EvE is a game of choices. If you dun goofed then thats the end of it. you move on. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Jotunspor
Aion 514
1
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:57:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:EvE is a game of choices. If you dun goofed then thats the end of it. you move on.
Yeah, and it's funny how they give us a choice to change our entire character's appearance, but not the name. In some ways, that's even moreso changing than a name change.
You could use the real world as an example.
What's a greater change? Changing your name? Or getting surgery to drastically change your appearance...?
All characters, from what i can see, have been flagged for recustomization if you haven't already done so... so, yeah.
Give my character a nosejob, eyelift, etc. Take the pornstar route, or change their name?
Hmm.... that's a tough one. I can't tell which is a greater change... |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.29 16:11:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:EvE is a game of choices. If you dun goofed then thats the end of it. you move on. It is a game of choices, yes, but there is generally Always an in-game solution to overcome mistakes, and the mistakes hurt, but they are not permanently debilitating. Lose a ship stupidly? Don't fly like that again. Got scammed? Don't fall for the scam again. Undock with 20 PLEX in your hold in an ibis from Jita 4-4? Etc. Here the problem is constant and all but unavoidable, the only "solution" is to purchase a new char with isk, or start over, quite immersion breaking.
The game has been moving toward having no permanent way to screw up your char for a while now, years ago you could not remap your attributes, or change your face. I see no reason it can't be taken one step further and allow people to change their names, with proper and reasonable implementation. |
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
704
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Posted - 2013.07.30 07:52:00 -
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I'm sorry, but I do find it amusing that someone who gave themselves a name ending in 4Life, (misspelled presumably because the correct spelling was already taken?), is such a strong campaigner for a name change system.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:23:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:I'm sorry, but I do find it amusing that someone who gave themselves a name ending in 4Life, (misspelled presumably because the correct spelling was already taken?), is such a strong campaigner for a name change system.
I've had a lot, A lot of time to think about this.
The reason for the misspelling is I originally created the char with the correct spelling in 2004, but the tutorial bugged out and I couldn't progress so I created this one, then deleted the old one.
I was a dumb kid, ok? |
Valentine Sukarala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:35:00 -
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i do think this is a good idea |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11052
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Posted - 2013.07.31 23:06:00 -
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Gamer4liff wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:I'm sorry, but I do find it amusing that someone who gave themselves a name ending in 4Life, (misspelled presumably because the correct spelling was already taken?), is such a strong campaigner for a name change system.
I've had a lot, A Lot, of time to think about this. The reason for the misspelling is that I originally created the char with the correct spelling in 2004, but the tutorial bugged out and I couldn't progress. So I created this one, then deleted the old one with the correct spelling. I was a dumb kid, ok?
Perhaps you were thinking of the meaning of liff?
1 Kings 12:11
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Gamer4liff
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.08.07 21:05:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Gamer4liff wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:I'm sorry, but I do find it amusing that someone who gave themselves a name ending in 4Life, (misspelled presumably because the correct spelling was already taken?), is such a strong campaigner for a name change system.
I've had a lot, A Lot, of time to think about this. The reason for the misspelling is that I originally created the char with the correct spelling in 2004, but the tutorial bugged out and I couldn't progress. So I created this one, then deleted the old one with the correct spelling. I was a dumb kid, ok? Perhaps you were thinking of the meaning of liff?
Ha, I wish I had been culturally aware enough to even make that reference at the time. |
Layla Raven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.09 00:03:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:I'm sorry, but I do find it amusing that someone who gave themselves a name ending in 4Life, (misspelled presumably because the correct spelling was already taken?), is such a strong campaigner for a name change system.
That "someone" in this case was 14 years old at the time, and is now in his early twenties. I'm almost twice his current age (), but I can tell you, I don't think someone should "suffer the consequences of their actions" for something as simple as a name they picked when they were going through puberty. If someone has been loyal enough of a fan to a game company to keep playing after nearly a decade, allowing them to change their hard-earned character's name to something they like better is a small bone to throw.
I may change a toon name if it is allowed, or I may not. I don't have any names I'm unhappy with, which were picked 6 years ago. But even still, I am very much in favor of this idea. And Jint, just as you don't care if people are offended by your choice to be against name changes, I don't care if you have to overcome a minor inconvenience while mining if it is implemented. |
Amarr Priest
e X i l e The Initiative.
1
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Posted - 2013.08.09 23:01:00 -
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I support this 100% I would love to change the name on this character. My character name sometimes even causes me problems in the game. My name is also the name of a cosmos NPC and normally that would break the Eula but CCP says otherwise.
I bought this character years ago because I knew with a little work I could make it a great pvp toon. Now that I have made the character my own why can't I name it as my own? |
cearaen
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
8
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Posted - 2013.08.17 19:01:00 -
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I think we could build a bit more game play into it. After all outlaws had different identities and it was always part of the fun to find out who they really were. For example: In order to change your name you would need to get a very high standing with a pirate faction and complete a mission. You will need to have a low concord standing (security standing say -5) before you can talk with this agent as otherwise he will think you are a spy for concord.
Finish the mission and you will get something from the agent that will help you change your name. But you won't be able to do it as long as you are an outlaw. You will need to grind your standings back up to positive in order for the paperwork to go through regarding how you are reported in local etc.
Your name will then be changed on your character but there should be ways people can track down who you were. This could include the use of a skill and the use of other agents in the game. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
767
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:49:00 -
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Amarr Priest wrote: I bought this character years ago because I knew with a little work I could make it a great pvp toon. Now that I have made the character my own why can't I name it as my own?
If you wanted to name a character as your own, why didn't you create it as your own?
The name was part of what you were buying, so you made your choice.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Jotunspor
Aion 514
3
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Posted - 2013.08.20 01:30:00 -
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Just do it, already.
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Saint Evonivon
e X i l e The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:19:00 -
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Support! |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
140
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:22:00 -
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As stated before by many others, the main thing that would need to be implemented here, is your public character sheet would need a list of former identities. As long as the paper trail is visible, it's fine in my book.
But I'd charge for it. If you want to change your name, I think that's a good use for Aurum. And that goes for the fact that a lot of DUSTies have been begging for this ability too. I wouldn't make it a one-time-only deal either. Game is going to exist for decades, yo. |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
50
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:28:00 -
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Gamer4liff
Tea has just snorted out my nose. But great advert why this would be a good feature.
I would say same costs and rules as character transfer. Not in corp etc.
Limited to 1 change a year.
Name change would take 1 week to apply so that those who naughty ( exploit ) can be found and petitioned. No joining a corp during name change timeout.
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Dr0000 Maulerant
Mu cows
0
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Posted - 2013.08.29 08:15:00 -
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+1 Since you create a toon before you know the naming conventions of the game.
Also, if someone howls "droooooooo" at me over TS one more time, I'm going to shoot myself in the face. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
55
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Posted - 2013.08.31 13:39:00 -
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Crystal Stills wrote:I know this has been brought up many times but for many of us when we started playing this game we were not serious about the game and gave our characters poor names. We also bought characters with poor names because that's all that is sold on the character bazaar. I for one have characters I would love to be able to rename. The nature of the game and the time it takes to train characters makes it pointless to start new characters for the sake of a name change. For example I have two toons at 65 and 83 million sp you are talking 3 to 4 years to get that back if I remade them. I propose a one time name change per account not character for a fee along with conditions.
- Sec status must be at 3 or above.
- Character has no petitions against them.
- Account has never been suspended by ccp.
Once a name change has occurred all people with that character on their watch list will receive a eve mail notification of the character changing their name so you can identify who's character that is on your list. I also want to bring up a point, people always fight this idea cuz they say criminals can erase what they have done. For a second humor me, this would be a one time deal per "account". Now with the character bazaar you can change out characters and erase you actions every week if you wanted too and as we have seen money is now object for many people as seen by the things people do in the game. If you only change a name their actions will still be known due to the eve mail and by their kill and loss stats that will still be attached. Weigh that in your mind before you fight this proposal. Character Bazaar = unlimited identity erase Character Rename = Just a name change
If this is implemented then it should be done as an in-game player provided service run by certified space lawyers. |
Ryan Easte
Multiplex Gaming Li3 Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.09.03 12:26:00 -
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I have commented in the past on other threads regarding this and I will do it again on this thread. I fully support this simple request and see no way how it could possibly break the game. It would make MY Eve experience much more enjoyable and there are plenty of options that can be implemented if decided in order to keep things in check. |
Leppard
Hoc Age
2
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:15:00 -
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Why not give people with changed names a little marker in local? Maybe another colour, a little "star" in front or at the end of the name. Perhaps only for the first 4-6 weeks after the change. |
Valentine Sukarala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.09.18 16:16:00 -
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so are we geting any more form this or any one know any thing? |
STush T
Capital Sin
3
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Posted - 2013.10.01 03:47:00 -
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Its a small trivial thing, and since connecting with your avatar is as important as enjoying the game it would be silly to have to hate your name. Identity is only in a small part your actual name. There is corp history, bounties, standings, etc. It should be painful though, so you dont get trolls doing for kicks and giggles. Id assume that 2b combined with a once per character would be a good safeguard. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
55
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:19:00 -
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2 bil? that's just stupid expensive. Make it only doable once per year and you've got your safeguard. We've beaten this horse dead already with ways for people to keep up with who has changed their name so there is no need to get ridiculous with the req's <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
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