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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.07.25 18:39:00 -
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Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:It looks like you're a little insecure about your abilities and your knowledge. There's no need to get defensive or passive-aggressive. Don't worry, one day you'll learn and one day you'll get to play with the big boys.
Not at all. I have no abilities never flown pvp. And newb knowldge. Nothing to even be defensive about. Its when ur trying to convince urself u have abilities then ur defensive. I embrace my newbness. My words are with tsukino |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.07.25 19:06:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I also knew all of that apart from the MWD on the carrier, there is nothing on google to find that info actually apart from that one thread you started.
Carriers can use neuts yes, but is it worth it? Not really. that inty that just tackled you has a fleet already in warp to blow you up and no amount of neuting is gonig to save you
Same thing with the smartbomb, oh you killed the interdiction probe? Good for you, the dictor still has point on you and fleet is coming.
Carrier is a premier way to get yourself an embarrassing lossmail, as so many people have already told you: doing it in a subcap earns you slightly less isk/hour at a heavily reduced risk. If you had any idea how economy works you will be interested in opportunity costs rather than the raw isk/hour you can theoretically make.
I will not be lumped on the same side of the fence as you, I don't dream up ridiculous tactics like solo widow and rapid light missile rattlesnakes for small gang pvp.
"Continue pvp in your frig and believing your super pro"
Bigger is better right?
All the most pro players in this game all fly titans, am I right guys?
Most people fly frigs because their cheap and fw. Bigger ships definitely are better. Just ask BL or PL who gank with supers. Thats how the big boys roll. Not that theres anything wrong with enjoying some frig pvp. But in ur case my point was/is that thats where ur horizon stops
U still dont get that neuts and maybe smartbombs do in fact have a solid place in a carrier. Carriers are great for ratting. Shrug...theres ur horizon. |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
591
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:17:00 -
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BL and PL drop supers on people not because it's effective but more for the comedy value. The "big boys" get bored and then when the situation presents itself theyre all humping the titan waiting for the bridge to go up.
People do frig pvp because it's fast paced and fun, many pro pvpers fly pirate or faction frigs worth hundreds of millions as well, it's hardly ever to do with cost.
You seem to also have this narrow-minded view that I only do frig pvp, not sure where you got that from.
Also it wouldn't hurt you to actually get some real pvp (or even game experience in general) experience instead of theorycrafting your ratting carriers and solo widows on the forums.
Ciyrine you are just completely clueless, not wasting time with you anymore. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:09:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Ciyrine you are just completely clueless, not wasting time with you anymore.
i mean, i been saying for a while that your best advice is when u say useless things like get better or ur fit sucks. nothing worse than when you crawl from under your bridge and try to give real advice. Given those 2 choices or you just letting the real vets share their knowledge ill take the not wasting time option. So Ill take it we wont be hearing any more fail advice from you? well played sir |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
591
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:14:00 -
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Only one person who lives under a bridge in this thread and it's not me =/ |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
906
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:59:00 -
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Can you two please get a room. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:02:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Only one person who lives under a bridge in this thread and it's not me =/
hey, you said your not wasting your time with me anymore. I declare foul
Quote:Can you two please get a room
we are trying to nerd rage over here. I cant be the only one entertained? No? ok well im having a good time |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
591
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:05:00 -
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Just one last thing: have you ever considered thinking through anything by yourself, or you just blindly follow anyone who says "I fly it and its good and makes xxx isk/hour"? |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2013.07.26 02:16:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Just one last thing: have you ever considered thinking through anything by yourself, or you just blindly follow anyone who says "I fly it and its good and makes xxx isk/hour"?
thats a stupid comment. ive been posting all these widow and rattlesnakes fits that you so strongly disapprove of and then you ask if I follow blindly?
If I followed blindly id be flying some pre approved frigate build and wed be best friends. You should spare yourself the embarrassment of constantly saying its your last comment. You start to look foolish after a while, or rather all the time just more so :) |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
592
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Posted - 2013.07.26 02:26:00 -
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Still not sure why you think I only fly frigates, frankly every time you bring up the point it makes you look slightly more stupid.
Also never said I'm not wasting time with you anymore, that doesn't mean I'm not going to comment.
And as to your widow and rattlesnake fits: that's not thinking, at least not how I define it. If I were to analogise your ramblings to something in real life it would be akin to suggesting to keep your shoes on in the shower so you could save time getting to work. |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
906
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Posted - 2013.07.26 02:30:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:keep your shoes on in the shower so you could save time getting to work.
BRILLIANT!
I must try this. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2013.07.26 02:45:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Still not sure why you think I only fly frigates, frankly every time you bring up the point it makes you look slightly more stupid.
Also never said I'm not wasting time with you anymore, that doesn't mean I'm not going to comment.
And as to your widow and rattlesnake fits: that's not thinking, at least not how I define it. If I were to analogise your ramblings to something in real life it would be akin to suggesting to keep your shoes on in the shower so you could save time getting to work.
I achieved stupid long before saying you only fly frigates. I assume you fly frigates because its the only thing I havent heard your ideas about and so the only thing left where you havent proven yourself to be a short sighted vet wanna be.
its one of those better to be silent and have people think your a fool, than to open your mouth and prove you are beyond all doubt. You still have that sliver of doubt that your not a fool about frigates too. You should hold on to that last shred of diginity....hah that was a good one, im jotting that one down for future use :)
besides, commenting back to me is probably the definition of wasting your time. Which you said you werent going to do anymore.
Putting together a widow, rattlesnake, carrier, bhaalgorn etc etc fit is the definition of thinking for a newb. I learn all kinds of interesting things.
Its how ive learned all kinds of things that you didnt know and it doesnt stop there. Weve just scratched the surface of what you dont know that i do and theres so much more that real vets know its scary |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
596
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:05:00 -
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The only thing in this thread that I was unaware of thus far was the fact the MWD could accelerate a carriers align time and who could blame me, even googling only brought me your thread on the subject.
Everything else I've told you has been on point and instead of questioning it you've just said "nuh uh, xxxx said it was true and he flies a carrier!"
Putting together these fits for t2 and pirate battleships are all well and good but you have NO IDEA on what their purpose is and therefore come off at a tangent and people just get confused or dismiss you as a troll. Yes you learn what their actual purpose is when some kind soul tells you, but that could have easily been achieved with 3 seconds of google.
Informed assumptions are better than blind assumptions, I'm sure you at least understand that.
And don't worry, I know plenty you don't and also there's plenty I don't know but none of that is in your knowledge pool. |
Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
47
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Posted - 2013.07.27 07:29:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:BL and PL drop supers on people not because it's effective but more for the comedy value. The "big boys" get bored and then when the situation presents itself theyre all humping the titan waiting for the bridge to go up.
People do frig pvp because it's fast paced and fun, many pro pvpers fly pirate or faction frigs worth hundreds of millions as well, it's hardly ever to do with cost.
You seem to also have this narrow-minded view that I only do frig pvp, not sure where you got that from.
Also it wouldn't hurt you to actually get some real pvp (or even game experience in general) experience instead of theorycrafting your ratting carriers and solo widows on the forums.
Ciyrine you are just completely clueless, not wasting time with you anymore.
we dont really drop supers because its lols mainly, we drop supers because the fewer the pilots the quicker the reaction time and easier to coordinate. getting 150 duders on a titan takes time , while getting 3 supers to log in takes seconds. we usually worrie about getting the support there afterwards:P because you would loose out on a lot kills if you cant react right away.
on top of that supers can get themself out of there really fast while a battleship gang would need a titan to bridge them home.
and no offence to bl, but they arent really know for dropping supers like that. they mainly drop dread/carrier fleets. Sometimes they use supers , but its never without a support/capital fleet alrdy on the field. |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
603
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Posted - 2013.07.27 10:54:00 -
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I've seen 12 supers dropped on a couple of battlecruisers when I was in Dudreda area :p but that also might have been because of a poco bash, possibly unrelated. |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
730
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Posted - 2013.07.27 12:41:00 -
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How much is a fully fit Carrier nowadays? |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2013.07.27 14:51:00 -
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you can keep it reasonable for under 2 bil. Its the rigs that blow up the price so restraint is good there. So about 6 hrs of ratting youve paid of the potential loss of the carrier. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2013.07.27 14:55:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:I've seen 12 supers dropped on a couple of battlecruisers when I was in Dudreda area :p but that also might have been because of a poco bash, possibly unrelated.
doesnt change that bigger IS better and thats why the big boys fly big ships and poorer players fly frigs because their scared to lose isk.
If you know what your doing, and can handle a little loss then a gang of players flying big powerful ships is how its done.
as for the widow and other covops ships. Ive gotten a hold of a pvp group that know what their doing and they fly pure covops gangs. So while your out there being a sheep and laughing at me for not thinking for myself. Slamming my interest in the widow, im broadening my horizons. |
Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy
Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:09:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:I'm getting a clearer picture now. I was already aware that the graphic had little to do with warping mechanics and that direction (calculated server side) DOES matter.
No it doesnt, not unless youre flying in a different direction than what you want to warp to. The difference between being "aligned" at 5m/s and starting from 0m/s is exactly the time it takes for the ship to go from 0 to 5m/s (which is a very short time, so it really barely has any effect)
The irony of you telling people they dont know anything and should listen to you, while you write off people telling You you're wrong, almost made my head explode.
Learn the game please. To cut it out for you. Server side, every ship is a ball, there is no such thing as a front or back of the ball, its round. Therefor, how your ship "faces" has zero effect on your warp, again, unless the ball is already flying in a different direction, because it then has to change its course, but this really is only logical, for normal people anyway. |
Trinkets friend
T.R.I.A.D
1073
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:16:00 -
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Dear OP,
I have a carrier. A Nidhoggur, in fact. I have used it in combat about 5 times - including getting hotdropped by supers and docking in hull (hence the name Mr Lucky 5% Hulltank). The rest of the time it's just a giant suitcase. It is, however, a good asset to have for C5 wormhole PVP and PVE.
If you are conservative with it and reduce your risks sensibly and have somewhere to log it off safely or dock it safely it will stay with you for years. With the right kind of intel and situation and fat enough wallet, you can PVP with it in lowsec If you fly it (way too) drunk or sloppily, it may only last you a week.
The important thing is to get into a good corp which can support you.
YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Abyss Azizora
Sarum Prime Syndicate Group
Paper Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.07.28 08:57:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:How much is a fully fit Carrier nowadays?
Depends on fit really. 2.3-2.5 bil or so last I heard. |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
608
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Posted - 2013.07.28 12:11:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I've seen 12 supers dropped on a couple of battlecruisers when I was in Dudreda area :p but that also might have been because of a poco bash, possibly unrelated. doesnt change that bigger IS better and thats why the big boys fly big ships and poorer players fly frigs because their scared to lose isk. If you know what your doing, and can handle a little loss then a gang of players flying big powerful ships is how its done. as for the widow and other covops ships. Ive gotten a hold of a pvp group that know what their doing and they fly pure covops gangs. So while your out there being a sheep and laughing at me for not thinking for myself. Slamming my interest in the widow, im broadening my horizons.
You will forever be a noob if you retain the "bigger is better" line of thought.
And I still don't understand why you think I only fly frigates
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I'm getting a clearer picture now. I was already aware that the graphic had little to do with warping mechanics and that direction (calculated server side) DOES matter.
No it doesnt, not unless youre flying in a different direction than what you want to warp to. The difference between being "aligned" at 5m/s and starting from 0m/s is exactly the time it takes for the ship to go from 0 to 5m/s (which is a very short time, so it really barely has any effect) The irony of you telling people they dont know anything and should listen to you, while you write off people telling You you're wrong, almost made my head explode. Learn the game please. To cut it out for you. Server side, every ship is a ball, there is no such thing as a front or back of the ball, its round. Therefor, how your ship "faces" has zero effect on your warp, again, unless the ball is already flying in a different direction, because it then has to change its course, but this really is only logical, for normal people anyway.
Yes I know that =/ but you know 5m/s is quite a large percentage of a carriers warp speed (relative to any other kind of ship). |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2013.07.28 17:15:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I'm getting a clearer picture now. I was already aware that the graphic had little to do with warping mechanics and that direction (calculated server side) DOES matter.
No it doesnt, not unless youre flying in a different direction than what you want to warp to. The difference between being "aligned" at 5m/s and starting from 0m/s is exactly the time it takes for the ship to go from 0 to 5m/s (which is a very short time, so it really barely has any effect) The irony of you telling people they dont know anything and should listen to you, while you write off people telling You you're wrong, almost made my head explode. Learn the game please. To cut it out for you. Server side, every ship is a ball, there is no such thing as a front or back of the ball, its round. Therefor, how your ship "faces" has zero effect on your warp, again, unless the ball is already flying in a different direction, because it then has to change its course, but this really is only logical, for normal people anyway.
This is tsukinos reality and we are simply visitors. Tsukino is super pro. Get on his level :) he has basic concept of the game and a suitcase full of half wrong ideas that no one can sort out for him. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2013.07.28 17:52:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Ciyrine wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I've seen 12 supers dropped on a couple of battlecruisers when I was in Dudreda area :p but that also might have been because of a poco bash, possibly unrelated. doesnt change that bigger IS better and thats why the big boys fly big ships and poorer players fly frigs because their scared to lose isk. If you know what your doing, and can handle a little loss then a gang of players flying big powerful ships is how its done. as for the widow and other covops ships. Ive gotten a hold of a pvp group that know what their doing and they fly pure covops gangs. So while your out there being a sheep and laughing at me for not thinking for myself. Slamming my interest in the widow, im broadening my horizons. You will forever be a noob if you retain the "bigger is better" line of thought. And I still don't understand why you think I only fly frigates Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I'm getting a clearer picture now. I was already aware that the graphic had little to do with warping mechanics and that direction (calculated server side) DOES matter.
No it doesnt, not unless youre flying in a different direction than what you want to warp to. The difference between being "aligned" at 5m/s and starting from 0m/s is exactly the time it takes for the ship to go from 0 to 5m/s (which is a very short time, so it really barely has any effect) The irony of you telling people they dont know anything and should listen to you, while you write off people telling You you're wrong, almost made my head explode. Learn the game please. To cut it out for you. Server side, every ship is a ball, there is no such thing as a front or back of the ball, its round. Therefor, how your ship "faces" has zero effect on your warp, again, unless the ball is already flying in a different direction, because it then has to change its course, but this really is only logical, for normal people anyway. Yes I know that =/ but you know 5m/s is quite a large percentage of a carriers warp speed (relative to any other kind of ship).
Still defending that 5m/s are u? U said u picked 5m/s arbitrarily. Ur point was to be pointing in the right direction at a speed low enough that u wont leave the sentinels out of range. Whether someone wants to travel at 5% warp speed of carrier or whatever 5m/s ends up being is for a player to decide for themselves and i take no issue with their decision even if it shaves .5s off their warp time since acceleration from 0 is the fastest acceleration as opposed to acceleration from 70 to 75%.
What we are taking issue with is ur defending ur choices with bullshit talk about what happens server side. The difference between warp from 0m/s pointing in any random direction(actually no direction) and aligning at 5m/s is literally saving u the time it tales to accel from 0 to 5m/s and NOTHING else. U shoukd let that sink in before u try to spin things any other way.
Newbs think that bigger is better but dont realise that the cost of bigger ships makes the decision not clear cut
Vet players know that smaller ships(frigs) pac the most dps/ehp/utility per isk spent/cost
Pros (which u are not) know that bigger is better and isk is easy to get so they dont care. Pros care about dps/ehp/utility per player
Its the vet isk vs pro per player outlook on battle doctrine that shows the haves vs have nots. The pros vs vets. Theres a reason titan supercap blobs is the final escallation of a battle.
Bigger is better. Yes one bs will die to several player flying smaller ships. But a well built bs will beat most any other ship 1v1 or even 1v few.
The problem is most people build their bs for maximum ehp/dps. Which is great in a bs vs bs fight but makss u useless vs small ships. But if ur willing to sacrifice dps/ehp u can have a bs that can kill every ship below its class. And only losses to a bs equipped for max dps/ehp. A bs has naturally high dps/ehp/powergrid/cap (bigger is better). What if u fit a bs like a bc or cruiser?
Frig has 5k ehp and 150dps at lets say 100km..to be gemerous. Travels at 4km/s. Caps out in 3mins. What can this frig do against
Bs with 70kehp, 800dps(sentinels) at 150km. Travels at 1500km/s with mjd(jumps 100km). Massive cap stable at 70% immune to frig attempts at neuting if such was attempted?
What if that bs is also packing smartbombs so immune to ecm drones
Sentinels so immune to standard ecm
And the bs has a core stabilizer with sensor boosters to compensate so its not even pointable from kitting ranges.
many heavy neuts, 2x webs, disruptor so any frigs getting close get capped out, lose their prop mod(either from scram or losing cap) and then has their basic non prop moded speed reduced by 80%. So getting close is suicide
Then this bs can jump 100km. So u cant get close to that bs. But u cant kite it either unless ur range is more than 150km for kitting purposes because that bs will cap and web u at 20km in addition to its 100km jump. That bs is also moving at 1500m/s so its not some brick u can comoletely run circles around it has some options for movement
And while the frig is dodging instant doom from the bs mobility and webs. Its still has 2min of cap to work with. And 800dps coming at it. Vs a ship with decent ehp and cap.
Sure u can build a bs with higher dps and ehp but that bs only does dps agaunst slow big ships. And is completely useless against most things in eve and has no tools to work with other than dps/ehp so is easily countered, kitted and worn down until it explodes.
Theres probably vets freaking out about the use of core stabilizer. And yet it adds so much to the ships capabilities.
Bigger is better. Just most newvs/vets make poor use of that capability because their seduced by ehp/dps. Sometimes u need ehp/dps and a bs will give it to u but thats not the only way to use it |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
165
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Posted - 2013.07.28 23:53:00 -
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Ciyrine: 5/10 you got people to think you were serious with that insane rambling. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:26:00 -
[86] - Quote
shrug, kinda hard to prove my point when i cant fly the ships to prove it. someday ill be flying covops BS with a gang I know does that. Ill have my widow and rocking some non cookie cutter builds. Then ill back up my statements in the way that matters. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
246
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Posted - 2013.07.29 05:14:00 -
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Shouldn't you be setting up a fit with that much run away from frigates power or "utility" then?
"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2013.07.29 21:56:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Shouldn't you be setting up a fit with that much run away from frigates power or "utility" then?
U dont run away from a frigate. U mjd away from a bad situation(too many opponents) getting u outside of top many points. And from there warp away.
The 1500m/s + mjd + stab give u engagement control. Start a fight. Stick around even after it excelates then get out when the heat is too much |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1443
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Posted - 2013.07.29 23:05:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:shrug, kinda hard to prove my point when i cant fly the ships to prove it. someday ill be flying covops BS with a gang I know does that. Ill have my widow and rocking some non cookie cutter builds. Then ill back up my statements in the way that matters.
Then why are you commenting about it in the first place if you can't/don't fly the ships?
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
618
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Posted - 2013.07.30 01:31:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Drake Doe wrote:Shouldn't you be setting up a fit with that much run away from frigates power or "utility" then? U dont run away from a frigate. U mjd away from a bad situation(too many opponents) getting u outside of top many points. And from there warp away. The 1500m/s + mjd + stab give u engagement control. Start a fight. Stick around even after it excelates then get out when the heat is too much
People do fit scrams as well you know?
And when things escalate, you will have many more than 1 point on you, everyone likes a rattlesnake kill. |
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