Guess depends what you want to do with it.

Why would you even buy a carrier if you didn't have a purpose for it..?

Yes we don't care: why buy something you have no idea what you're going to use it for?

Hey !

I just got my first carrier, its an archon! I was wondering if you could give me any tips or advice, to go about this baby..
I was thinking jump planners, videos on youtube or just some general stuff that you wished that you knew when you got the first CAP Ship?

Fyi: Please dont give me that, " If you have to ask you shouldnt" everyone have to start somewhere, and iam not learning anything from it collecting dust..

/ Cheers

Jump Drive Calibration to level 5 ASAP, level 4 is a Must but 5 can make all the difference.

Hey !

I just got my first carrier, its an archon! I was wondering if you could give me any tips or advice, to go about this baby..
I was thinking jump planners, videos on youtube or just some general stuff that you wished that you knew when you got the first CAP Ship?

Fyi: Please dont give me that, " If you have to ask you shouldnt" everyone have to start somewhere, and iam not learning anything from it collecting dust..

/ Cheers

you cycle mwd once it gets you into warp in like 11 secs had a topic about it before

I definitely dont claim to have any practical experience but ive been talking to peeps here for like 2 months now about things like carrier/rattlesnake etc

And for carrier there were all kinds of things talked about in terms of carrier ratting.

Neut- neut out the frig pointing
smartbomb- when the frig gets into close orbit these were supposed to help kill it(i was dubious about this one)
MWD- see someone in local quick warp out

When you cap something out the module isn't instantly shut off, it finishes it's cycle before shutting down.

As for aligned vs sentries

you don't have to align at max speed, set yourself aligned at 5m/s and it will be enough time to clear the room before you get out of range of sentries and it cuts warp time down enough since you already have a direction.

1) warp happens at 75% max speed. Acceleration from 0m/s is at its fastest and slows down the closer u get to 100%. So other than facing the right direction(which u do with mwd also) and traveling at 5m/s literally cuts ur warp down from 50s or whatever it is for carriers down to 48.

2) hitting a frig with heavy neut will cap it out and it will give u the ability to warp out even if u have to wait till the end of the destabs cycle. Neuts are used on carriers for this purpose. Again maybe its worth the module slot or maybe carriers die to interdictors or cynoed fleets with 20 points. So maybe a neut protecting against one frig pointing u isnt worth the module slot. That kind of meta game module fitting i cant comment on. I just know the neut works on one frig

1) warp happens at 75% max speed. Acceleration from 0m/s is at its fastest and slows down the closer u get to 100%. So other than facing the right direction(which u do with mwd also) and traveling at 5m/s literally cuts ur warp down from 50s or whatever it is for carriers down to 48.

I dont know for sure mwd is the way to go but enough people who know what their talking about(not me) have proposed it that its probably worth using for that 11s warp out time when a neut lands in local.

2) hitting a frig with heavy neut will cap it out and it will give u the ability to warp out even if u have to wait till the end of the destabs cycle. Neuts are used on carriers for this purpose. Again maybe its worth the module slot or maybe carriers die to interdictors or cynoed fleets with 20 points. So maybe a neut protecting against one frig pointing u isnt worth the module slot. That kind of meta game module fitting i cant comment on. I just know the neut works on one frig

Im not a carrier....or anything....pilot yet. But the fact that u recomend 5m/s as align solution or thats neuts dont stop a destab, and therefore dispute mwd, neuts as even having a legit purpose on a carriers shows ur even less useful then me. So let the 2 of us sit back and wait for some real carrier pilots to find this thread and share their experience with the op

Alignment takes into account your direction as well, it doesn't matter if you're at 75% speed you have to be FACING THE RIGHT DIRECTION to warp, pre-aligning even at 5m/s will save you time because your direction is already established on the server.

Facing the right direction with the MWD on makes it take longer if you weren't already as the MWD adds mass and in turn affects your inertia modifier.

Honestly I have three carriers and I've never tried this. The biggest problem I can see is how fast you accelerate with a MWD on. If it finishes a cycle and due to the carriers mass you've only accelerated to 20% of you non-MWD top speed then you really aren't getting much out of a mod that hurts your cap which is the lifeblood of a carrier.



The problem here is you have to get lucky for one neut to work. Lets say you nuke the frigs cap in a single cycle but his disruptor still has a few seconds left on it. Until the disruptor cycles its effects continue and you can't warp. Now a frigs cap will bounce back very quickly after getting wiped out so that 5 seconds it takes for their disruptor to cycle will probably be enough time for their cap to recover enough to cover the cost of the next cycle of the disruptor so it stays on without a break.

You can increase your chances by using a large in conjunction with a smaller faster cycling nuet but tbh why bother when you can sick 15 disposable ECM drones on him and be gone.

You're not an anything pilot yet, stop trying to sound superior. You are very clueless in a lot of aspects of this game still.

Alignment takes into account your direction as well, it doesn't matter if you're at 75% speed you have to be FACING THE RIGHT DIRECTION to warp, pre-aligning even at 5m/s will save you time because your direction is already established on the server.

Facing the right direction with the MWD on makes it take longer if you weren't already as the MWD adds mass and in turn affects your inertia modifier.

Also who on earth told you it takes 50 seconds for a carrier to align, that's some complete bull right there.

As the previous poster already explained it in more detail I won't go into any more but one heavy neut ain't going to do jack **** to anything if all they need to run is a point.

You're a giant noob, start being more humble or people are going to be less inclined to help you than they already are.

Ok after seeing some of the great "thoughts" posted here:


1. Ewar drones are your friends if you are ever tackled by a frigate. At which point you are not warping out but jumping to a safe beacon in a system you already have an alt in to ensure its safe.

2. Light Ewar drones are the only ones that will catch said frigate.

3. Smart bombs are for killing interdiction probes. Since it takes 3 blasts to kill one chances are you will be pointed as well. Light drones(Warriors) are now your friends as you need to kill/force off the tackle while killing the bubble.

4. Ratting in carriers is ******** when you can make similar isk doing it in a ishtar for 1/10th the price.
Sentry Carrier puts out like 1800 dps and an ishtar puts out about 1k. Takes the ishtar 3 hours to pay off the hull. Takes the carrier 3 days to do it.

So much hurf blurf here.

Tsukino, go learn warp mechanics. You don't appear to understand them yet.
Ciyrine, you have all the right modules, for all the wrong reasons.

I know how warping works thanks ;) point out to me where I'm wrong.

When you align yourself to anything, even at 5m/s you eliminate the part of the align time where your ship has to face the correct direction.

Try everything out on the test server. Like putting cynos at the right positions so you dont bump off stations.

I would do this too, check how much tank you actually have, how the ship handles, try bumping off things, to check how long align takes. Basically you can play around without consequences, and with help of some friends test the worst case scenarios.

Right here.



The time to align yourself in the correct direction, from 0m/s, is 0 seconds. Your ship's graphic is completely cosmetic when it comes to warping. The second you hit the warp or align button, you are pointed in the right direction. If you are stopped, the time it takes you to get into warp is exactly how long it takes you to get to 75% speed.

So by aligning at 5m/s you have saved the time it takes to accelerate to 5m/s and nothing more. You also may have inconvenienced yourself by having to scoop and re-deploy drones that you're slow-boating away from. Also you may get yourself killed by slow-boating towards something that you're going to get stuck on (if for some reason you're in a belt or anom with lots of clutter)

Now that's interesting.

So how does one explain the inability to warp when you are at velocity but not facing the correct vector?

Ok after seeing some of the great "thoughts" posted here:


1. Ewar drones are your friends if you are ever tackled by a frigate. At which point you are not warping out but jumping to a safe beacon in a system you already have an alt in to ensure its safe.

2. Light Ewar drones are the only ones that will catch said frigate.

3. Smart bombs are for killing interdiction probes. Since it takes 3 blasts to kill one chances are you will be pointed as well. Light drones(Warriors) are now your friends as you need to kill/force off the tackle while killing the bubble.

4. Ratting in carriers is ******** when you can make similar isk doing it in a ishtar for 1/10th the price.
Sentry Carrier puts out like 1800 dps and an ishtar puts out about 1k. Takes the ishtar 3 hours to pay off the hull. Takes the carrier 3 days to do it.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned the most basic stuff to you.

Sort your drones out! You might have 200 drones in the bay, Itemize them all in easy to read catagories.

Keep extra cyno ships fitted and stored in your ship bay. Kill your own cyno guy if it helps keep your ops covert, and drop him another ship.

Jump Drive Cal V is worth it.

Carrier V is also worth it.

I hate to say it, but if you're going to rat in it, fit a cloak.

and find out about the stations with a big and no docking ring at all.
Also, try on sisi to undock from kick out stations and see when you undocked you are already 3-5 km out of docking ring. That's how many people lose their carriers in low sec :P

Dotlan will be your friend regarding jump routes, make yourself also aware of the systems you should avoid. Check eve kill for the systems the route shows you regarding kills.

Now that's interesting.

So how does one explain the inability to warp when you are at velocity but not facing the correct vector?

Now were talking. Someone with experience who knows whats what. I been saying since the beginning i dont know the ins and outs of why smartbombs, neuts are used. I just know those + mwd was used by carrier pilots. I was keeping the ball rolling in thos discussion until some vet found this thread and explained it all

As for the carrier ratting isk aspect. Are u saying ratting carriers dont make 300mil/hr? Or are u saying ishtar makes the same? How can it make the same as sentry carrier applying near perfect instant long range 1800dps? How long it tales to replace the carrier depends how often u need to replace it. If its once a month and it makes tons more isk/hr than it can be worth it. I dont know the balance of the spread of risk/reward on this but i do know that people do rat in carriers without losing them months on end if they are to be believed

Jeez, please, for the love of all that is Eve, learn how this stuff works. Get on Sisi and try the stuff out as has been suggested. Jump in a Charon or Orca and WATCH how you enter warp when you're not even pointed in the direction you're going! Please, learn the mechanics, and as someone already mentioned, don't take the graphics you see on the screen as gospel!! Please!

Now that's interesting.

So how does one explain the inability to warp when you are at velocity but not facing the correct vector?

Now that's interesting.

So how does one explain the inability to warp when you are at velocity but not facing the correct vector?

I'm getting a clearer picture now. I was already aware that the graphic had little to do with warping mechanics and that direction (calculated server side) DOES matter.

So now we've established that the MWD is in fact a viable tactic on making a carrier enter warp more quickly, let's focus on the other factors that make ratting in a carrier not worth it.

Yes but it's only worth it if you have everything set up like I mentioned earlier:

cyno-jammed system in blue space with POS/station to dock at.

OR

cyno alt

Neither of which Ciyrine has taken into account

That depends on whether if you actually have a decent system to rat in.

I wouldn't rat in a carrier, ever. Why? As soon as a red/hot-dropper sees a carrier there that encourages him to come back and check your systems out more often. A ratting carrier KM is major lolz, so is quite highly prized in that respect. There's no need to rat in a carrier. Personally I use an Ishtar as person above mentioned. You're not making X per hour? So what. Make less than X per hour but do it in a somewhat care-free manner. As soon as your carrier gets dropped and killed, you'll be a bit of a laughing stock. Plus by ratting in the carrier you're exposing the people you share the systems with to extra danger. So it's not very public spirited.

Exception is in WH of course. But people who live in WH are nuts anyway, so anything goes.

~words~

now your just embarrassing yourself. Im a 2 month newb and I knew

1) how warping works from 0m/s
2) the MWD for carriers
3) that carriers use neuts, smartbombs. I knew that i didnt have the exact details of how/why they use them but I knew enough to ASK how they work and now i have my answers
4) that carriers are the premier ratting isk/hr and that people ACTUALLY do it

you on the the other hand knew nothing about those things or thought incorrectly (that carrier ratting isnt worth it or too risky and wrong about warping). Which is why your at your best when your useless telling newb players to get better and at your worst when giving half wrong info.

What do you think are the chances that you know about cyno alts but i have never heard that their useful or that they take 6 days to train into. It will be better for you if you stop acting like your an informed player and join my newb side of the fence and watch the big boys play. Maybe theyll ask you to join them when your ready.

When the time comes. I will be in an alliance that holds SOV space that i can rat in and I will have an alt, I will make tons of isk in relative safety and my carrier wont die. You can never be completely safe because any blue could go awox. But the isk you generate in a carrier without any risk of tank problems will make up for the one time in my eve career i get awoxed. When i do lose my carrier i will enjoy the adrenaline from the loss because the real loss in eve is why i play it as opposed to another mmo. Dont worry your pretty little head about all those scary/difficult details. Continue pvp in your frig and believing your super pro

It looks like you're a little insecure about your abilities and your knowledge. There's no need to get defensive or passive-aggressive.

Don't worry, one day you'll learn and one day you'll get to play with the big boys.

I also knew all of that apart from the MWD on the carrier, there is nothing on google to find that info actually apart from that one thread you started.

Carriers can use neuts yes, but is it worth it? Not really. that inty that just tackled you has a fleet already in warp to blow you up and no amount of neuting is gonig to save you

Same thing with the smartbomb, oh you killed the interdiction probe? Good for you, the dictor still has point on you and fleet is coming.

Carrier is a premier way to get yourself an embarrassing lossmail, as so many people have already told you: doing it in a subcap earns you slightly less isk/hour at a heavily reduced risk. If you had any idea how economy works you will be interested in opportunity costs rather than the raw isk/hour you can theoretically make.

I will not be lumped on the same side of the fence as you, I don't dream up ridiculous tactics like solo widow and rapid light missile rattlesnakes for small gang pvp.

"Continue pvp in your frig and believing your super pro"

Bigger is better right?

All the most pro players in this game all fly titans, am I right guys?

Ciyrine you are just completely clueless, not wasting time with you anymore.

Only one person who lives under a bridge in this thread and it's not me =/

Can you two please get a room

Just one last thing: have you ever considered thinking through anything by yourself, or you just blindly follow anyone who says "I fly it and its good and makes xxx isk/hour"?

keep your shoes on in the shower so you could save time getting to work.

Still not sure why you think I only fly frigates, frankly every time you bring up the point it makes you look slightly more stupid.

Also never said I'm not wasting time with you anymore, that doesn't mean I'm not going to comment.

And as to your widow and rattlesnake fits: that's not thinking, at least not how I define it. If I were to analogise your ramblings to something in real life it would be akin to suggesting to keep your shoes on in the shower so you could save time getting to work.

BL and PL drop supers on people not because it's effective but more for the comedy value. The "big boys" get bored and then when the situation presents itself theyre all humping the titan waiting for the bridge to go up.

People do frig pvp because it's fast paced and fun, many pro pvpers fly pirate or faction frigs worth hundreds of millions as well, it's hardly ever to do with cost.

You seem to also have this narrow-minded view that I only do frig pvp, not sure where you got that from.

Also it wouldn't hurt you to actually get some real pvp (or even game experience in general) experience instead of theorycrafting your ratting carriers and solo widows on the forums.

Ciyrine you are just completely clueless, not wasting time with you anymore.

I've seen 12 supers dropped on a couple of battlecruisers when I was in Dudreda area :p but that also might have been because of a poco bash, possibly unrelated.

I'm getting a clearer picture now. I was already aware that the graphic had little to do with warping mechanics and that direction (calculated server side) DOES matter.

How much is a fully fit Carrier nowadays?

doesnt change that bigger IS better and thats why the big boys fly big ships and poorer players fly frigs because their scared to lose isk.

If you know what your doing, and can handle a little loss then a gang of players flying big powerful ships is how its done.

as for the widow and other covops ships. Ive gotten a hold of a pvp group that know what their doing and they fly pure covops gangs. So while your out there being a sheep and laughing at me for not thinking for myself. Slamming my interest in the widow, im broadening my horizons.

No it doesnt, not unless youre flying in a different direction than what you want to warp to. The difference between being "aligned" at 5m/s and starting from 0m/s is exactly the time it takes for the ship to go from 0 to 5m/s (which is a very short time, so it really barely has any effect)
The irony of you telling people they dont know anything and should listen to you, while you write off people telling You you're wrong, almost made my head explode.
Learn the game please. To cut it out for you. Server side, every ship is a ball, there is no such thing as a front or back of the ball, its round. Therefor, how your ship "faces" has zero effect on your warp, again, unless the ball is already flying in a different direction, because it then has to change its course, but this really is only logical, for normal people anyway.

No it doesnt, not unless youre flying in a different direction than what you want to warp to. The difference between being "aligned" at 5m/s and starting from 0m/s is exactly the time it takes for the ship to go from 0 to 5m/s (which is a very short time, so it really barely has any effect)
The irony of you telling people they dont know anything and should listen to you, while you write off people telling You you're wrong, almost made my head explode.
Learn the game please. To cut it out for you. Server side, every ship is a ball, there is no such thing as a front or back of the ball, its round. Therefor, how your ship "faces" has zero effect on your warp, again, unless the ball is already flying in a different direction, because it then has to change its course, but this really is only logical, for normal people anyway.

You will forever be a noob if you retain the "bigger is better" line of thought.

And I still don't understand why you think I only fly frigates



Yes I know that =/ but you know 5m/s is quite a large percentage of a carriers warp speed (relative to any other kind of ship).

Shouldn't you be setting up a fit with that much run away from frigates power or "utility" then?

shrug, kinda hard to prove my point when i cant fly the ships to prove it. someday ill be flying covops BS with a gang I know does that. Ill have my widow and rocking some non cookie cutter builds. Then ill back up my statements in the way that matters.

U dont run away from a frigate. U mjd away from a bad situation(too many opponents) getting u outside of top many points. And from there warp away.

The 1500m/s + mjd + stab give u engagement control. Start a fight. Stick around even after it excelates then get out when the heat is too much

U dont run away from a frigate. U mjd away from a bad situation(too many opponents) getting u outside of top many points. And from there warp away.

The 1500m/s + mjd + stab give u engagement control. Start a fight. Stick around even after it excelates then get out when the heat is too much