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Anika Hansonn
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.21 14:40:00 -
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What was the thought behind Antimatter Bullets?
Shouldn't they leave a huge explosion - a 10000 times Hiroshima explosion?
I am just asking because i find the animation of the hybrid turrets a little bit booring for what they are.
X-Large is firing bullets as huge as small car's at probably 30000m/s, this would end up in an explosion that probably annihilates a small planet.
On the other hand Lasers are visible - which they are not.
Yes lasers are cool - so as freaking antimatter bullets the size of a car traveling at 10% of the speed of light.
And those you cant even see.
Care to elaborate? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.07.21 14:44:00 -
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It sounded sciency. |
Mainiac IV
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.21 14:49:00 -
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I've thought the same way, hybrid charges to be a brighter green to stand out and projectiles need visible tracers |
Anika Hansonn
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:02:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:It sounded sciency.
Well i tried to do the math, but there is not much information on the size and charge. What casing is used and how thick it is.
Of course you would have to use some magnetic field, to prevent Antimatter from getting into contact with matter.
Well it's only a fu..... game - but i DEMAND BIG EXPLOSIONS! XD |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:03:00 -
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I don't think the OP knows very much about antimatter. |
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:03:00 -
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It's a game of internetz spaceships... u warp THROUGH a planet/moon...
Hell, mebbe someone just added a nice flashlight to go on/off when the lazor fires 
Just be glad they didn't add giant warping pink hippoes LMFAO!!! |
Anika Hansonn
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:07:00 -
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000Hunter000 wrote:It's a game of internetz spaceships... u warp THROUGH a planet/moon... Hell, mebbe someone just added a nice flashlight to go on/off when the lazor fires Just be glad they didn't add giant warping pink hippoes LMFAO!!!
Well that is called subspace, how would you move faster then light in our dimension? |
Anika Hansonn
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:13:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't think the OP knows very much about antimatter.
Please enlighten us ! Small dancing pigs under the microscope? |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:22:00 -
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Marketing ploy. "Antimatter Charge" has a much better ring to it than "Super Duper Dense Proprietary Formula Alloy Hybrid Charge".
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Velarra
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:25:00 -
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Anika Hansonn wrote:000Hunter000 wrote:It's a game of internetz spaceships... u warp THROUGH a planet/moon... Hell, mebbe someone just added a nice flashlight to go on/off when the lazor fires Just be glad they didn't add giant warping pink hippoes LMFAO!!! Well that is called subspace, how would you move faster then light in our dimension?
Ok. Lets have some fun with this question and suggest it's not our dimension? Completely different universal constants perhaps? How else to explain some of Eve's 'it's just a game' weird physics? |
Velarra
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:27:00 -
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Lfod Shi wrote:Marketing ploy. "Antimatter Charge" has a much better ring to it than "Super Duper Dense Proprietary Formula Alloy Hybrid Charge".
SDDPFA Hybrid Charges? Or perhaps SD2PFA's?  |
DTson Gauur
Underground-Operators
Illuminantur Dominium Sicarioum
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:37:00 -
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Well... considering the missiles ARE nukes in the multikiloton range (prolly even megaton range on capital missiles) is it so far fetched to have ammo with anti-matter?
The lore never actually tells us just how much AM there is in a projectile... it could be that the biggest capital rounds have just a tiny fleck in the middle, rest being the containment etc.
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I Was There
Nigerian Drug Manufactory co.
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:48:00 -
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I assumed EVE space was more like a big dust cloud. You can see lasers going through smoke. Our spaceships lose speed when MWD is cut. You cannot make EVE true to real physics. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3027
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:52:00 -
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Magnetic bottle tech has improved greatly.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:54:00 -
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Exactly how much antimatter does the charge contain? I've always assumed that with the containment field and armored outer shell there's not really all that much AM in there. Keeps the production costs down when you add just enough to not make it an unstable bomb waiting in your cargobay to rip YOUR ship apart at the slightest bump.
This post was rated "C" for capsuleer. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:02:00 -
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Who cares? The mere fact that we have Lead hybrid rounds implies that anti-matter isn't the Alpha and Omega of Making Explosions.
Seriously, this is the only reason:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:It sounded sciency.
EVE's science and tech is just a collection of sci-fi buzzwords haphazardly thrown together. Let's call it "fantasy sci-fi."
edit: Also, I cast magic missileanti-matter bullet at the darkness. |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:08:00 -
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I Was There wrote:I assumed EVE space was more like a big dust cloud. You can see lasers going through smoke. Our spaceships lose speed when MWD is cut. You cannot make EVE true to real physics.
So?
Doesn't mean we can't have more huge explosions.
It would really help with me getting my friends to play the game if I could show them huge booms all the time. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:12:00 -
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U could lore it that am is the propellent for the projectile |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:48:00 -
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Keras Authion wrote:Exactly how much antimatter does the charge contain? I've always assumed that with the containment field and armored outer shell there's not really all that much AM in there. Keeps the production costs down when you add just enough to not make it an unstable bomb waiting in your cargobay to rip YOUR ship apart at the slightest bump.
This. TL;DR, most of the charge assembly is the containment and delivery system. There's actually very little antimatter in there.
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Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:11:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Keras Authion wrote:Exactly how much antimatter does the charge contain? I've always assumed that with the containment field and armored outer shell there's not really all that much AM in there. Keeps the production costs down when you add just enough to not make it an unstable bomb waiting in your cargobay to rip YOUR ship apart at the slightest bump. This. TL;DR, most of the charge assembly is the containment and delivery system. There's actually very little antimatter in there.
considering in ANY scifi universe, having more than just "a little" antimatter in any ONE location is considered universally BAD, i'd say that is highly plausible |
Hevymetal
POT Corp
Semper Ardens Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:12:00 -
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I though (insert unit here) of antimatter took out (insert same unit here) of matter. So if we use a 1/1 ratio it would only take out a small cars worth of matter. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:18:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:I though (insert unit here) of antimatter took out (insert same unit here) of matter. So if we use a 1/1 ratio it would only take out a small cars worth of matter.
Plug that car's worth of matter into e=mc2 and then duck and cover.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:19:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:I though (insert unit here) of antimatter took out (insert same unit here) of matter. So if we use a 1/1 ratio it would only take out a small cars worth of matter.
yes and no.
It annihilates the matter. Converting both to a substantial quantity of energy.
1 gram would create an explosion of approximately 42 kilotons.
Of course, the biggest problem you'd have is actually using all of that antimatter. what with the reaction tending to blow it away from the matter.
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Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:20:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:I though (insert unit here) of antimatter took out (insert same unit here) of matter. So if we use a 1/1 ratio it would only take out a small cars worth of matter.
true, but you DO have to worry abou cascades, because of the high amount of energy involved in a antimatter explosion, you could theoreticaly (if theiris enough matter involved) see outlying matter begin the early stages of both nuclear fission and fusion (depending on whether they are cold particles coming into contact with highly excited particles, or two highly excited aprticles connecting).
so theoretically a car-sized block of antimatter could take out much mroe than just a car-sized block fo matter, the car-sized matter would only be whats obliterated into energy, everything would be destroyed through secondary effects. |
Anika Hansonn
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:19:00 -
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Makes me wonder what would happen if you collide a black hole with a anti-black hole XD
Both the size of a car :P |
Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:30:00 -
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Well, since it's called Anti-matter, but doesn't seem to behave like Anti-matter should, shouldn't it be renamed to Doesn't-Matter?
But seriously, if you or anyone wants to argue about physics in EvE, there are PLENTY of bones to pick at.
# Like how the most viable lasers are the ones that are invisible to the naked eye, yet we have a veritable rainbow of lasers to pew-pew people with.
# Or how a simple sweep of the sky from currently available thermal imaging devices on Earth, can detect any spaceship in our solar system with a roughly 6-hour delay.
# Or how EvE space seems to be fluidic.
# Or how bacon is non-existant in New Eden.
# Or that the planets NEVER MOVE.
# Or that the sun in every system is 20 times brigher than it should be. |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:32:00 -
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I Was There wrote:I assumed EVE space was more like a big dust cloud. You can see lasers going through smoke. Our spaceships lose speed when MWD is cut. You cannot make EVE true to real physics.
Nope normal space. Its just the warp drive on a ship that causes friction which in turn causes the slowdown as your engines have to work against that friction. |
Reese Armgo
Solaris Project
Border World Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:39:00 -
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Zaknussem wrote:
# Like how the most viable lasers are the ones that are invisible to the naked eye, yet we have a veritable rainbow of lasers to pew-pew people with.
Always thought that were because of the extreme amount of Energy.
I mean, it does the same level of damage as Nuclear-Missiles and such. |
Liam Inkuras
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:50:00 -
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Hi I'm Liam,
I like to shoot lead balls out of my musket.
Pew pew
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Feledain
Rorqual Industry Empire
ASCENSI0N.
30
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:14:00 -
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Reese Armgo wrote:Zaknussem wrote:
# Like how the most viable lasers are the ones that are invisible to the naked eye, yet we have a veritable rainbow of lasers to pew-pew people with.
Always thought that were because of the extreme amount of Energy. I mean, it does the same level of damage as Nuclear-Missiles and such.
We can see the lasers because of camera drones. Or does someone command a huge spaceships by watching out of a window?
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Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:16:00 -
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What bugs me more is that Lead and Nuclear are in the same damage category for projectile ammo.
So throwing is piece of lead at an enemy ship does the same damage as an atomic bomb? 
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:17:00 -
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Anika Hansonn wrote:Makes me wonder what would happen if you collide a black hole with a anti-black hole XD
Both the size of a car :P
Black holes have an infinite gravitational field. They are not infinitely dense, nor infinitely massive.
In other words, figure out how massive your black holes will be, and plug them into E=Mc^2
To figure out the mass, you can use this formula (r is the Schwarzschild Radius, or Event Horizon):
r=2MG/c^2
Assuming a car's about a 1.5m radius sphere, the Mass of that car sized black hole is about
10^27 kg (170 Earth Masses)
The energy released by annihilating twice that mass is about:
1.8*10^44 J
Or 4.3*10^28 Megatons of TNT equivalent.
For reference, the Gravitational binding energy of the earth is around:
2.4*10^32 J
So those two bodies annihilating each other release about 750 billion times as much energy as is needed to destroy the world in such a way that gravity never reforms it. It's also about the total amount of energy released in a typical Supernova.
It's a big boom. Physics will probably get weird in the center.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
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Naradius
Chaos Calling
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:19:00 -
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Everybody knows EVE is submarines in space!
...also, posting in an EVE compared to irl thread. 
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:30:00 -
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Zaknussem wrote:
# Or how bacon is non-existant in New Eden.
I NEED THE BACON!!!
I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
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Posted - 2013.07.21 21:12:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:What bugs me more is that Lead and Nuclear are in the same damage category for projectile ammo. So throwing is piece of lead at an enemy ship does the same damage as an atomic bomb?
yeah, they are the same.
gotta remember, nuclear weapons come in whatever yield you want, and to ensure its safe to shoot out of a ******* giant gun, the actual nuclear payload of a round is most likely fairly small, so YES, it would do comparative damage to a giant lead-slug of the same or similar size/design, especially when your dealing with shooting it in space. |
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