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Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.22 09:38:00 -
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A problem with the Collector's Edition is that the Gnosis Battlecruiser, Nefantar Thrasher, and Tash-Murkon Magnate are newbie ships, i.e. - they probably wouldn't be your first choice for their designed roles. This makes the Collector's Edition rather expensive at 150 Euros.
So how about this idea for an exploration battleship, which is more likely to appeal to veterans in high sec
Uriel (translation of this angel's name: "God is my light" or "leads us to destiny")
It is believed this ancient version of the Machariel battleship was used by the Angel Cartel to discover Jovian artifacts which lead to the development of the Machariel as we know it today.
This behmoth is designed for exploratory raids into uncharted territory.
Special Ability: 37.5% increase to scan strength of probes (rather than a 25% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire)
Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage per level
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff per level |
Field Artillery
Dust 515
15
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Posted - 2013.07.22 09:51:00 -
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but why would you propose another newbie ship if you don't want them?
(+ lol i'm sure it will fit into those plexes the 'veterans in high sec' would use this for xDD) |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
Insidious Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.07.22 09:55:00 -
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Field Artillery wrote:but why would you propose another newbie ship if you don't want them?
(+ lol i'm sure it will fit into those plexes the 'veterans in high sec' would use this for xDD)
It's easy to criticize, but it's more difficult to think of better alternatives. What better alternative would you suggest? |
Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
169
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Posted - 2013.07.22 09:58:00 -
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nobody does exploration in a battleship, wtfmate? |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
Insidious Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:01:00 -
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Marcus Harikari wrote:nobody does exploration in a battleship, wtfmate?
... because they don't have a scan bonus? |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1411
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:08:00 -
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Ill happily take anything if I can sell it on the market for the sweet pennies.
You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
1235
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:11:00 -
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I support this request for more free **** for me to sell.
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Field Artillery
Dust 515
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:12:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:[quote=Field Artillery]It's easy to criticize, but it's more difficult to think of better alternatives. What better alternative would you suggest?
addressing the bigger problems with the CE, e.g that it could be more about EVE |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
Insidious Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:16:00 -
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Field Artillery wrote:Mors Magne wrote:[quote=Field Artillery]It's easy to criticize, but it's more difficult to think of better alternatives. What better alternative would you suggest? addressing the bigger problems with the CE, e.g that it could be more about EVE
This battleship is about Eve.
What more about Eve would you like  |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15679
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:16:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:Marcus Harikari wrote:nobody does exploration in a battleship, wtfmate? ... because they don't have a scan bonus?
Because they're somewhere between GÇ£uselessGÇ¥ and GÇ£completely wrongGÇ¥ ship class for the purpose. It would be particularly pointless in highsec. The Gnosis fills this need and is already a bit too big.
Quote:It's easy to criticize, but it's more difficult to think of better alternatives. What better alternative would you suggest? How about: leave it as it is.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1243
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:20:00 -
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yeah exploration sites are done in cruisers and battlecruisers after scanning the sites in a covops. cruisers move faster, are less likely to be caught by players, and are actually more survivable/tanky in lowsec pve than battleships.
also having a unique bs in the collector's edition is a little too close to pay-to-win for me |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
Insidious Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:44:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:yeah exploration sites are done in cruisers and battlecruisers after scanning the sites in a covops. cruisers move faster, are less likely to be caught by players, and are actually more survivable/tanky in lowsec pve than battleships.
also having a unique bs in the collector's edition is a little too close to pay-to-win for me
No - this battleship would certainly not be pay-to-win For the following reason:
Nobody would take a ship like this into low sec / 0.0 / or wormhole space unless they were completely nuts. It would be too unique to lose and it isn't the best for these situations. As you said - it has no covert ops cloak. Obviously, it also doesn't have the best combat bonuses.
It's a curiosity ship for veterans - it would provide an entertaining experience (the most maneuverable battleship with a scanning facility).
It would bring in a modest income with a feeling of power - nothing feels like power quite like a Machariel - but it's a high-sec / carebear beast - I don't think many would risk it even in a protected 0.0. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15679
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:48:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:No - this battleship would certainly not be pay-to-win For the following reason: Nobody would take a ship like this into low sec / 0.0 / or wormhole space unless they were completely nuts. GǪso in other words, it would inherently be unable to serve its purpose and only be +1 mission ship that you had it pay money for.
Yeah, no. That's pretty P2W. Just get a pirate BS or a marauder like everyone else.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
Insidious Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mors Magne wrote:No - this battleship would certainly not be pay-to-win For the following reason: Nobody would take a ship like this into low sec / 0.0 / or wormhole space unless they were completely nuts. GǪso in other words, it would inherently be unable to serve its purpose and only be +1 mission ship that you had it pay money for. Yeah, no. That's pretty P2W. Just get a pirate BS or a marauder like everyone else.
Yes - this battleship would have a useful purpose for veterans - it would among the best ships for high-sec exploration.
The best ship for exploration might be one of the strategic cruisers. However, there is something special about the Machariel because it's the fastest battleship - it's the way it handles that makes it special. |
Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
1375
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:so in other words, it would inherently be unable to serve its purpose and only be +1 mission ship that you had it pay money for.
A mission ship with unique capabilities which are only available to people who pay real cash.
Oh god. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15679
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:01:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:Yes - this battleship would have a useful purpose for veterans - it would among the best ships for high-sec exploration. No, it would be horrible for highsec exploration, and be useless to veterans (since they will have access to far better ships).
In highsec, you need a scanning ship for Relic and Data sites GÇö where a battleship is only large, slow, and cumbersome and serves no purpose because what you really need is an access bonus and the ability to go between cans quickly (i.e. you want a frigate) GÇö and for rated complexes GÇö where a battleship is not allowed to enter the site.
Strategic cruisers are pretty useless with the last patch for the same reason: too slow and bulky compared to a frigate for relic/data sites; barred from entry to rated DED sites (not to mention complete overkill since you can find and complete them just fine in a good old T1 ship).
So that means its exploration bonus on your proposed battleship is utterly and completely useless. The Gnosis already serves your need since it's actually allowed into the sites. What's left is a dolled-up mission ship you have to pay cash for. So again, I think I'll go with GÇ£leave it as it isGÇ¥ as the better alternative.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
Insidious Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:02:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Tippia wrote:so in other words, it would inherently be unable to serve its purpose and only be +1 mission ship that you had it pay money for. A mission ship with unique capabilities which are only available to people who pay real cash.
Some people will probably sell it for ISK.
There should be something unique about the Collector's Edition because it costs 150 Euros.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15679
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:04:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:There should be something unique about the Collector's Edition because it costs 150 Euros. Well, there's H+ªttuspil, the soundtrack, the USB hub, the art book, the BPCs, and the future unlocksGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
Insidious Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mors Magne wrote:Yes - this battleship would have a useful purpose for veterans - it would among the best ships for high-sec exploration. No, it would be horrible for highsec exploration, and be useless to veterans (since they will have access to far better ships). In highsec, you need a scanning ship for Relic and Data sites GÇö where a battleship is only large, slow, and cumbersome and serves no purpose because what you really need is an access bonus and the ability to go between cans quickly (i.e. you want a frigate) GÇö and for rated complexes GÇö where a battleship is not allowed to enter the site. Strategic cruisers are pretty useless with the last patch for the same reason: too slow and bulky compared to a frigate for relic/data sites; barred from entry to rated DED sites (not to mention complete overkill since you can find and complete them just fine in a good old T1 ship). So that means its exploration bonus on your proposed battleship is utterly and completely useless. The Gnosis already serves your need since it's actually allowed into the sites. What's left is a dolled-up mission ship you have to pay cash for. So again, I think I'll go with GÇ£leave it as it isGÇ¥ as the better alternative.
When I did exploration a few years ago, I think some exploration sites in high-sec were for battleships.
It looks as if the Collector's Edition will just be for the gullible with too much money and not enough sense. |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
3174
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:07:00 -
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Exploration battleship
dude
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
1375
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:08:00 -
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I do like that USB Rifter I have to say. How is the EvE store looking lately?
Oh god. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15679
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:09:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:When I did exploration a few years ago GǪit was a few years ago. That's not now. And the sites you're thinking of are probably the free-standing anomalies that you can mass-murder in roughly zero seconds in a frigate.
Quote:It looks as if the Collector's Edition will just be for the gullible with too much money and not enough sense. How so? It's a reasonably full package.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Jack Morrison
Sinister Spinster
7
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:22:00 -
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I do agree that the CE lacks a bit on the content side (especially taking into account the current price tag).
But what i don't get is - you want a machariel with a scanning bonus ? why ?
What i would suggest is (since you already get a golden egg...ehm...pod) is for example cutting the clone cost down to 50%. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
1236
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[quote=Mors Magne] Quote:It looks as if the Collector's Edition will just be for the gullible with too much money and not enough sense. How so? It's a reasonably full package.
I do enjoy a full package.
I think many also like the idea of supporting a 10 year of game for the next 10 years and dont see it as a shiny extra fee just to play the game.
Also, Rifter USB hub!
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Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
Insidious Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:42:00 -
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Even though battleship-sized exploration sites in high-sec no longer exist (I didn't realise this), I think that a Machariel with a scanning bonus rather than a rapid-fire bonus would go well with the Collector's Edition.
Such a ship would be a collector's item that is worth having. |
Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
1375
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:54:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:Such a ship would be a collector's item that is worth having.
Why? It's useless. The only thing it is good for is to keep hold of for a few years and sell for 200bn isk to a collector. Is that what you're really asking for? Basically a giant PLEX with role bonuses? That's what it sounds like.
Oh god. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
920
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:20:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:A problem with the Collector's Edition is that the Gnosis Battlecruiser...are newbie ships
Confirming all new players should blindly fly the Gnosis. It's got the capacity for practically everything, therefore it's a newbie ship!
I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
489
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:23:00 -
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Can't say i support the idea of an exploration battleship, but the general idea of recieving a unique ship that can only be found in the collectors edition (and not simply realised again under a different format at a later date) would certainly go a long way to encourage me to spend cash on it. As it stands, its quite alot of currency for what you actually get.
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate
S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:26:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:Uriel (translation of this angel's name: "God is my light" or "leads us to destiny")
Two completely different phrases from one word? Son, only the English language is that warped and you know it.
Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1244
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:29:00 -
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i must admit the only real draws for me are the danger game, the book and the gold pod
and possibly the mystery code. it's so mysterious! |
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