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Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Mass Overload
351
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Posted - 2013.07.26 01:42:00 -
[31] - Quote
Phoenix Jones wrote:Maurice deSaxe wrote:Run people out of wh space and buff 0.0? If ccp nerfs the T3 what reason would there be to inhabit wh's and do any production there? Not raging here but if ccp nerfs T3's I will most likely quit eve all of my characters sp are focused around wh's and I am not looking to retrain for other roles because I am forced into it.
I want to cross train when I feel like it. I don't care how much in the future it is I do not feel these changes are needed.
One because it just gives more power to the 0.0 power blocks
Two it effectively ruins a whole group of people's play style.
The sp and isk investment and the specialized role these ships fit justify the current state of the ships.
If you want to buff t2 then fine do so but don't nerf T3 based on trying to fix t2s. It is after all a T3 by this logic I want to see t2 nerfed to be more in line with t1 this goes for everything from the hull to ammo and guns and tank.
Yes. The nullsec blocs want the wormholers gone. Our t3's do not use nullsec moongoop. We cut into their profits, and you can't setup wormhole rental system like they have in low and null. You get rid of the wormholers and move them into null, they'll have to pay to rent a system (8 to 20 billion isk a month, more if you have more people) to hold for themselves..... That's pretty much the sole reason. In the end, its all about money.
Bullshit. If it comes to that, I'll just unsub and problem solved. |
Maurice deSaxe
Nightmare Logistics
Novus Dominatum
1
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:06:00 -
[32] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:Maurice deSaxe wrote:Run people out of wh space and buff 0.0? If ccp nerfs the T3 what reason would there be to inhabit wh's and do any production there? Not raging here but if ccp nerfs T3's I will most likely quit eve all of my characters sp are focused around wh's and I am not looking to retrain for other roles because I am forced into it.
I want to cross train when I feel like it. I don't care how much in the future it is I do not feel these changes are needed.
One because it just gives more power to the 0.0 power blocks
Two it effectively ruins a whole group of people's play style.
The sp and isk investment and the specialized role these ships fit justify the current state of the ships.
If you want to buff t2 then fine do so but don't nerf T3 based on trying to fix t2s. It is after all a T3 by this logic I want to see t2 nerfed to be more in line with t1 this goes for everything from the hull to ammo and guns and tank.
Yes. The nullsec blocs want the wormholers gone. Our t3's do not use nullsec moongoop. We cut into their profits, and you can't setup wormhole rental system like they have in low and null. You get rid of the wormholers and move them into null, they'll have to pay to rent a system (8 to 20 billion isk a month, more if you have more people) to hold for themselves..... That's pretty much the sole reason. In the end, its all about money. Bul lshit. If it comes to that, I'll just unsub and problem solved.
Pretty much this.
Here's a sand box but if you are having to much fun
we will take the sand out of your box and move it to an other one go play there.
This is our sandbox and we will choose how you play it.
It has happened before it will happen again tons of people will un-sub if they nerf T3s into the ground, some will continue to play out of pure addiction and some will play because EVE gives them a sense of power but most logical people will just quit.
I know I will and I won't return till they fix it right again and if they don't fix it well I will find something else to do lol
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
417
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:59:00 -
[33] - Quote
Warlord Shat wrote:I find it odd that people complain that the Armour T3 Blob is unbeatable, but freak out when they talk about nerfing t3s
LOL, you do realize nobody above your post complained about the T3 armour blob? Go suck a horse. |
Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
107
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Posted - 2013.07.29 14:04:00 -
[34] - Quote
Maurice deSaxe wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:Maurice deSaxe wrote:Run people out of wh space and buff 0.0? If ccp nerfs the T3 what reason would there be to inhabit wh's and do any production there? Not raging here but if ccp nerfs T3's I will most likely quit eve all of my characters sp are focused around wh's and I am not looking to retrain for other roles because I am forced into it.
I want to cross train when I feel like it. I don't care how much in the future it is I do not feel these changes are needed.
One because it just gives more power to the 0.0 power blocks
Two it effectively ruins a whole group of people's play style.
The sp and isk investment and the specialized role these ships fit justify the current state of the ships.
If you want to buff t2 then fine do so but don't nerf T3 based on trying to fix t2s. It is after all a T3 by this logic I want to see t2 nerfed to be more in line with t1 this goes for everything from the hull to ammo and guns and tank.
Yes. The nullsec blocs want the wormholers gone. Our t3's do not use nullsec moongoop. We cut into their profits, and you can't setup wormhole rental system like they have in low and null. You get rid of the wormholers and move them into null, they'll have to pay to rent a system (8 to 20 billion isk a month, more if you have more people) to hold for themselves..... That's pretty much the sole reason. In the end, its all about money. Bul lshit. If it comes to that, I'll just unsub and problem solved. Pretty much this. Here's a sand box but if you are having to much fun we will take the sand out of your box and move it to an other one go play there. This is our sandbox and we will choose how you play it. It has happened before it will happen again tons of people will un-sub if they nerf T3s into the ground, some will continue to play out of pure addiction and some will play because EVE gives them a sense of power but most logical people will just quit. I know I will and I won't return till they fix it right again and if they don't fix it well I will find something else to do lol
Hollow threats do nothing. There is a power grab going on right now involving space. People have been promised things to move stuff towards a direction. Those csm people we don't hear about will scream once CCP gets to t3's because they don't have any control over the wormhole community
CCP has no control over them either.
What will happen, don't know, but if CCP listen to the people who want to evict and collapse the wormhole community under the guise that wormholers are too rich, too powerful, ships to strong (idiotic as low and nullsec makes billions to trillions off of officer mods, implant drops, bpc's etc) when ther actual intention is to get wormholers out of wormholes so they can tax them with lowsec and nullsec renting, they will wind up losing probably there most distinctly unique community.
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ROSSLINDEN0
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
125
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:44:00 -
[35] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:the issue with T3s is that T2s, especially HACs, are junk almost across the board.
T2 hulls have been around for so long that the current state of T1 ships just trumps them in almost all situations and T3s look OP as a comparison result.
unfortunately no one at CCP seems to get this and they have decided to not fix HACs so good bye T3s i guess...
Have you been under a rock? they are fixing hacs |
Maurice deSaxe
Nightmare Logistics
Novus Dominatum
1
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Posted - 2013.07.30 08:12:00 -
[36] - Quote
Phoenix Jones wrote:Maurice deSaxe wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:Maurice deSaxe wrote:Run people out of wh space and buff 0.0? If ccp nerfs the T3 what reason would there be to inhabit wh's and do any production there? Not raging here but if ccp nerfs T3's I will most likely quit eve all of my characters sp are focused around wh's and I am not looking to retrain for other roles because I am forced into it.
I want to cross train when I feel like it. I don't care how much in the future it is I do not feel these changes are needed.
One because it just gives more power to the 0.0 power blocks
Two it effectively ruins a whole group of people's play style.
The sp and isk investment and the specialized role these ships fit justify the current state of the ships.
If you want to buff t2 then fine do so but don't nerf T3 based on trying to fix t2s. It is after all a T3 by this logic I want to see t2 nerfed to be more in line with t1 this goes for everything from the hull to ammo and guns and tank.
Yes. The nullsec blocs want the wormholers gone. Our t3's do not use nullsec moongoop. We cut into their profits, and you can't setup wormhole rental system like they have in low and null. You get rid of the wormholers and move them into null, they'll have to pay to rent a system (8 to 20 billion isk a month, more if you have more people) to hold for themselves..... That's pretty much the sole reason. In the end, its all about money. Bul lshit. If it comes to that, I'll just unsub and problem solved. Pretty much this. Here's a sand box but if you are having to much fun we will take the sand out of your box and move it to an other one go play there. This is our sandbox and we will choose how you play it. It has happened before it will happen again tons of people will un-sub if they nerf T3s into the ground, some will continue to play out of pure addiction and some will play because EVE gives them a sense of power but most logical people will just quit. I know I will and I won't return till they fix it right again and if they don't fix it well I will find something else to do lol Hollow threats do nothing. There is a power grab going on right now involving space. People have been promised things to move stuff towards a direction. Those csm people we don't hear about will scream once CCP gets to t3's because they don't have any control over the wormhole community CCP has no control over them either. What will happen, don't know, but if CCP listen to the people who want to evict and collapse the wormhole community under the guise that wormholers are too rich, too powerful, ships to strong (idiotic as low and nullsec makes billions to trillions off of officer mods, implant drops, bpc's etc) when ther actual intention is to get wormholers out of wormholes so they can tax them with lowsec and nullsec renting, they will wind up losing probably there most distinctly unique community.
The thing is CCP devs play EVE also and they are out there in null sec with these null sec alliances.
They got caught when they gave out BPOs to an alliance so they will not be able to do that anymore.
SOO what's an other way to rig the game for big 00 alliance blobs?
Nerf everything in sight in an attempt to herd everyone into 00.
I am hoping the WH community would be able to put their love for EVE behind them and unsub if a major T3 nerf hits live servers.
Last time CCP made a change that everyone hated they lost thousands of subs and it did not take long to revert those changes. Same thing will need to happen here players need to make a stand to make sure CCP does the right things.
I also feel that it is never to early to plan how the community will handle this. |
Complex Potential
Blackstar Privateer Consortium
Enigma Project
274
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Posted - 2013.07.30 10:24:00 -
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The only concern I have is that the Loki is going to be changed to the point of being unable to tank and web at range. If that happens it will no longer be able to fulfill its rather vital role in C5/C6 anoms (cap style obviously). I cant think of another ship that could do the same job right now and not get ripped apart. |
Ellendras Silver
No Self Esteem
ShAdOw PoLiTiCs
71
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Posted - 2013.07.30 10:39:00 -
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Maurice deSaxe wrote:Run people out of wh space and buff 0.0? If ccp nerfs the T3 what reason would there be to inhabit wh's and do any production there? Not raging here but if ccp nerfs T3's I will most likely quit eve all of my characters sp are focused around wh's and I am not looking to retrain for other roles because I am forced into it.
can i have your stuff? and damn someone put a gun on your head and forced you to skill for T3s OMG was it CCP?
Quote:
I want to cross train when I feel like it. I don't care how much in the future it is I do not feel these changes are needed.
great that you feel that its not needed, doesn't make you less wrong
Quote:
One because it just gives more power to the 0.0 power blocks
Two it effectively ruins a whole group of people's play style.
The sp and isk investment and the specialized role these ships fit justify the current state of the ships.
can you see the nerf all ready if so can i borrow your time machine plz?
Quote:
If you want to buff t2 then fine do so but don't nerf T3 based on trying to fix t2s. It is after all a T3 by this logic I want to see t2 nerved to be more in line with t1 this goes for everything from the hull to ammo and guns and tank.
if you wanna boost T2 hulls so they function better in their highly specialized role then a T3 they would be OP like crazy
i dont know how they gonna change it but it is needed for sure and stop whining all you hvae to train is HAC and that like 6 days to get it to lvl 4 big whoop. it never made sense that a T3 could do every T2 hulls specialized task better and with MUCH less training. finaly they going to change it and i am sure WHs and T3s will still be good ships and WHs good isk and fun to be in
and for the record i live in WH myself and fly all T3s on 2 toons |
Ellendras Silver
No Self Esteem
ShAdOw PoLiTiCs
71
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Posted - 2013.07.30 10:47:00 -
[39] - Quote
Maurice deSaxe wrote:
The thing is CCP devs play EVE also and they are out there in null sec with these null sec alliances.
They got caught when they gave out BPOs to an alliance so they will not be able to do that anymore.
SOO what's an other way to rig the game for big 00 alliance blobs?
Nerf everything in sight in an attempt to herd everyone into 00.
yeah that's the plan sigh NOT
Quote:
I am hoping the WH community would be able to put their love for EVE behind them and unsub if a major T3 nerf hits live servers.
Last time CCP made a change that everyone hated they lost thousands of subs and it did not take long to revert those changes. Same thing will need to happen here players need to make a stand to make sure CCP does the right things.
I also feel that it is never to early to plan how the community will handle this.
are you really saying that you find it good and logical that a T3 can do all the T2 tasks better then the ship SPECIALLY designed to full fill that task and NOTHING else
plz i am all ears explain how that make sense |
Ellendras Silver
No Self Esteem
ShAdOw PoLiTiCs
71
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Posted - 2013.07.30 10:51:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Bullshit. If it comes to that, I'll just unsub and problem solved.
ok can i have your stuff? |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2200
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Posted - 2013.07.30 10:51:00 -
[41] - Quote
ROSSLINDEN0 wrote:Jack Miton wrote:the issue with T3s is that T2s, especially HACs, are junk almost across the board.
T2 hulls have been around for so long that the current state of T1 ships just trumps them in almost all situations and T3s look OP as a comparison result.
unfortunately no one at CCP seems to get this and they have decided to not fix HACs so good bye T3s i guess... Have you been under a rock? they are fixing hacs
yah, ive read the changes. theyre not fixing HACs... |
Ellendras Silver
No Self Esteem
ShAdOw PoLiTiCs
71
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Posted - 2013.07.30 10:58:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:ROSSLINDEN0 wrote:Jack Miton wrote:the issue with T3s is that T2s, especially HACs, are junk almost across the board.
T2 hulls have been around for so long that the current state of T1 ships just trumps them in almost all situations and T3s look OP as a comparison result.
unfortunately no one at CCP seems to get this and they have decided to not fix HACs so good bye T3s i guess... Have you been under a rock? they are fixing hacs yah, ive read the changes. theyre not fixing HACs...
the changes are not final and look pretty good to me maybe some tweaks are in place but its a huge improvement |
Ellendras Silver
No Self Esteem
ShAdOw PoLiTiCs
71
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Posted - 2013.07.30 12:10:00 -
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Bamsey Amraa wrote:Its simply.
If CCP broke my game and fun in WH i just go to play another game.
End story.
cool can i have your stuff? |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
261
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Posted - 2013.07.30 12:17:00 -
[44] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:ROSSLINDEN0 wrote:Jack Miton wrote:the issue with T3s is that T2s, especially HACs, are junk almost across the board.
T2 hulls have been around for so long that the current state of T1 ships just trumps them in almost all situations and T3s look OP as a comparison result.
unfortunately no one at CCP seems to get this and they have decided to not fix HACs so good bye T3s i guess... Have you been under a rock? they are fixing hacs yah, ive read the changes. theyre not fixing HACs...
WTF HAC are supposed to be used for is beyond me.
T2s beat T3s at their specialization for every hull type except HAC. If T3 are supposed to be more flexible (they are) but not as good as T2 in their specialization (they aren't except HAC) then I would say they have accomplished their plan. Should T3 get some SLIGHT nerfs? Yes, but notice the modifier SLIGHT. The pitchfork and torch clan is out rioting to have them nerf into the ground... |
Ellendras Silver
No Self Esteem
ShAdOw PoLiTiCs
71
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Posted - 2013.07.30 12:27:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:
WTF HAC are supposed to be used for is beyond me.
they should be able to do soem amazing PVP
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T2s beat T3s at their specialization for every hull type except HAC. If T3 are supposed to be more flexible (they are) but not as good as T2 in their specialization (they aren't except HAC) then I would say they have accomplished their plan. Should T3 get some SLIGHT nerfs? Yes, but notice the modifier SLIGHT. The pitchfork and torch clan is out rioting to have them nerf into the ground...
HAC`s and commandships are a joke compared to T3 boost ship and it is reflected in how much you see them and riddle me this why people only fly loki`s for the web bonus because the rapiers web bonus is indeed better but oh wait its paper thin thats why do i realy need to continue? T3s own EVERY T2 hull and are immense versatile not to mention that they can use nullifiers and covert ops cloak both at same time.
i do however agree on the do not nerf them into the ground but they need more then a slight tweak i can tell you that. you can cry about it but it is what is needed to balance the rest of the ships. T3s should never be a i win button and at this point they are just that |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Mass Overload
354
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Posted - 2013.07.30 12:42:00 -
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Versatility in wspace. Thank you. |
Ellendras Silver
No Self Esteem
ShAdOw PoLiTiCs
72
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:53:00 -
[47] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:Versatility in wspace. Thank you.
they always where and always will be versatile they just gonna loose the i win button (trough a hardly needed rebalance) and probably loose the ability to use covert ops cloak + nullified sub they wont loose either one but cant use them together |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Mass Overload
354
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Posted - 2013.07.30 18:08:00 -
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Ellendras Silver wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Bullshit. If it comes to that, I'll just unsub and problem solved.
ok can i have your stuff?
No, I'm going to give them ro the person who hates you the most so he can have more ships to shoot at you with. |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
263
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Posted - 2013.07.30 18:43:00 -
[49] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:Versatility in wspace. Thank you.
Certainly some type of input? Thank you. |
Ellendras Silver
No Self Esteem
ShAdOw PoLiTiCs
73
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Posted - 2013.07.30 20:51:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Ellendras Silver wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Bullshit. If it comes to that, I'll just unsub and problem solved.
ok can i have your stuff? No, I'm going to give them ro the person who hates you the most so he can have more ships to shoot at you with.
how lovely |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1400
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Posted - 2013.07.31 01:17:00 -
[51] - Quote
From some of the responses in this thread sounds like the realities of the T3 nerf are starting to dawn on people. That's good. Lets hope CCP listens.
HTFU!...for the children! |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Mass Overload
354
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Posted - 2013.07.31 03:25:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Versatility in wspace. Thank you. Certainly some type of input? Thank you.
Do I really need to state that T3 cant reffit their subsystems in wspace?, making his statement on versatility pointless? |
Dringy Tsero
XYRESIC.
5
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:10:00 -
[53] - Quote
5 days off legion...... *should i stop* ? ; ) |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
Transmission Lost
41
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:33:00 -
[54] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Do I really need to state that T3 cant reffit their subsystems in wspace?, making his statement on versatility pointless?
And don't forget rigs, no one will fit a T2 rig on a ship to destroy it a day later for an other config... .
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Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
263
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:31:00 -
[55] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:Onomerous wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Versatility in wspace. Thank you. Certainly some type of input? Thank you. Do I really need to state that T3 cant reffit their subsystems in wspace?, making his statement on versatility pointless?
ONLY by fit in space can they be versatile? You are missing quite a bit.
And NO, NO, NO to fit in space. I fly T3s primarily and I'm 100% against fit in space for reasons already explained in the many different "T3s should be able to fit in space" threads. Bad idea is bad. |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
263
|
Posted - 2013.07.31 12:32:00 -
[56] - Quote
unimatrix0030 wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Do I really need to state that T3 cant reffit their subsystems in wspace?, making his statement on versatility pointless?
And don't forget rigs, no one will fit a T2 rig on a ship to destroy it a day later for an other config... .
As long as changing rigs IN SPACE is not allowed, I would be all for this to make T3 more flexible. |
Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
119
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:07:00 -
[57] - Quote
Like I said, CCP will probably make dedicated t3 rigs, made from sleeper loot, that is install able and removable without being destroyed from t3's and banning the equipping of normal kspace rigs from t3's.
If CCP is intelligent, they'll go by balancing the t3's by doing something like that, which they can adjust the damage, tank, etc through these unique rigs.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Polarized.
924
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:28:00 -
[58] - Quote
Or just make rigs removable and reusable on T3s.
Putting work in since 2010. |
Kitty Baugh
Pelican.
Cult of War
5
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:01:00 -
[59] - Quote
Was going to train for a loki
Glad I stumbled across this thread... |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
52
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:12:00 -
[60] - Quote
Kitty Baugh wrote:Was going to train for a loki
Glad I stumbled across this thread...
Probs still should tbh. There are no skills you need to a T3 that arent helpful anyway. Unless you hate the Matari T2 Cruisers. |
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