5 days off legion...... *should i stop* ? ; )

Was going to train for a loki
Glad I stumbled across this thread...

no T3s wil still be good after rebalance. look at tengu still very popular ship and for good reasons, 6 months or so back they where crying and shouting about the nerf boohoo my tengu boohoo tears so massive you could have flooded jita with tears alone


its not that bad its a rebalance they will still be good, just not OP

Or just make rigs removable and reusable on T3s.

I find it odd that people complain that the Armour T3 Blob is unbeatable, but freak out when they talk about nerfing t3s

You're faith about what's going to happen with a T3 nerf is commendable especially after a Dev states they "need to be put down like a rabid dog". Not much room for interpretation there. The fact that other CCP Devs will most likely temper that statement only serves to lead the rest of us to believe that the T3, while still existing in the game, will be a shadow of its former self. Arguments that are anti-t3-nerf are broader than the perceived "I win" ship for people who don't even fly them.

If CCP's attempt is to make T2's the primary pew ship for higher sp toons in the cruiser arena then that leads me to conclude that T3's are going to have less ability that all other T2's including the HAC which does not bode well for its future since very few people actually fly a HAC and for good reason.

And this, of course, leads us to the w-space economy which will be destroyed by being tied to a sole product that noone wants to buy. This has yet to be addressed by ANY DEV POST that I'm aware of which leads me to believe that it's not even a consideration.

So lets just sum up what will happen should the T3 become a useless hull.

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Probs still should tbh. There are no skills you need to a T3 that arent helpful anyway. Unless you hate the Matari T2 Cruisers.

This.

Bit late but w/e

I find it odd that people complain that the Armour T3 Blob is unbeatable, but freak out when they talk about nerfing t3s

I think the price, production requirements and skill loss on T3s sorta justifies its current state. Once you've assembled a T3 it can do one role especially well and only that one role until you redo the subsystems on it. As its mainly used by WHers, it also needs to be taken to k-space to be refit, you cant just have the modules in your hangar.

T2 could def use a little buff to have more advantages over T1, but it shouldnt be able to match T3. Nerfing T3s should be done in small steps if anything, with close monitoring of the WH community along the way to make sure it doesn't have a huge negative impact on an important and popular part of the game.

My 2 isk anyway.

why would anyone fly a T2 hull that only can do 1 task as a T3 can perform all those tasks better then any T2 hull can (that is SPECIALY made for that task) ? i asked this question in almost every reply in multiple topics about T3 rebalance nobody answers them i know why and so do you all.

and that is not counting how insanly OP the T3s are (or can be) its realy selfish people that wanna keep their OP T3 ship

why would anyone fly a T2 hull that only can do 1 task as a T3 can perform all those tasks better then any T2 hull can (that is SPECIALY made for that task) ? i asked this question in almost every reply in multiple topics about T3 rebalance nobody answers them i know why and so do you all.

and that is not counting how insanly OP the T3s are (or can be) its realy selfish people that wanna keep their OP T3 ship

Nah its just a case of training the t3 specific skills (Subs etc) to 5
could put those sps into amarr

why would anyone fly a T2 hull that only can do 1 task as a T3 can perform all those tasks better then any T2 hull can (that is SPECIALY made for that task) ? i asked this question in almost every reply in multiple topics about T3 rebalance nobody answers them i know why and so do you all.

and that is not counting how insanly OP the T3s are (or can be) its realy selfish people that wanna keep their OP T3 ship

That is a lie and you know it!
You only compare T2-ships T2 fit with T3 - faction bling bling ships.
There is no T3 bether then a T2 or a BC.

Go compare numbers for T2 fit T2 Cruisers and T3s the numbers arent that insane. Yes the T3s have about a 25/30% better tank. And 20% more DPS (comparing Cerb to Tengu) but Cerb has 40% more range than a tengu a lower sig res. THey also cost 3 times more and incur a SP loss.......So it has better tank and less range than a Kiting ship.....Yes thats so OP...

Yep, its not insane because 3 times more expensive than T2 and skill loss when die. You cant compare this two tiers...

* rapier paper thin so hardly comparable as it just dies too fast but has slightly better web bonus then loki but who cares if you got paper tank they choose loki anyway
* any HAC (even with changes) dont stand a chance against a T3 even if that T3 is T2 fit
* commandship has 3% per lvl bonus and T3 5% per lvl and both can make decent tank but T3 can get away easier as it can be fitted with nullified and or coverops cloak funny as the T3 is way less training aswell

but keep thinking that mate

Command ships yes. noone with a brain disagrees with the command ships vs T3 balance.

But yes they are better than HACs but they are bigger slower most expensive by a factor of 3 and you lose skillpoints when you die. That sounds like fairish Balance. Yeh the HAM Tengu is a bit stupid on the DPS side but none of the others can put out the same DPS. compare the DPS of a loki to a Vagabond or munin and they are roughly the same. Proteus can get some silly passive tank i'll give you that.

But overall they just need some minor tweaks maybe a couple nerfs. They arent the disgustingly OP ships most people seem to think they are.

Just a personal newb observation of the game.

I'd much rather live with an overpowered class of ships than seeing an entire section of the economy nerfed.

PvP game mechanics come and go, and honestly, who gives a damn.

But the economy in this game is everything. I'll fly just about anything in my future and not care much. But if you're going to close off an entire sector of the economy, then honestly I don't care how much better it made one section of PvP mechanics.

* rapier paper thin so hardly comparable as it just dies too fast but has slightly better web bonus then loki but who cares if you got paper tank they choose loki anyway
* any HAC (even with changes) dont stand a chance against a T3 even if that T3 is T2 fit
* commandship has 3% per lvl bonus and T3 5% per lvl and both can make decent tank but T3 can get away easier as it can be fitted with nullified and or coverops cloak funny as the T3 is way less training aswell

but keep thinking that mate