Riverini you are on the CSM

riverini's not on the csm?

Someone sounds butthurt

My apologies got him confused with Ripard Teg. They both post articles on a regular basis

Hopefully Ripard doesn't feel bad about being confused with Riverini.

Title states it all. No this isn't a troll, flame or insult toward Goblin but rather I ask a legitimate question. What exactly do his article's contribute toward in improving Eve? I read all the pretty little news sites mainly for laughes over the propoganda war and of course for the abissmal articles written on an almost daily basis by Gelvon Goblin.

See I understand that all if not mainly a majority of the news written for EN24 and Mittani well are spun. But even I fail to see any legitimate contribution Goblin brings except for infuriating those who endure the pain of reading his opinions on making Eve like World Of Warcraft.

His articles hold little context. Rather than taking an outward look at Eve as a whole, he often gloats from simple things like his wallet balance, to his "acceptance" into TEST (as if this was an achievement worth any merit at this stage in the war), and of course let us never forget my fellow simpletons he achieved the "gold cap" in WoW.

No I'm not kidding. . Why not stick someone else to fill the gap on the "economic" section of your website? Why keep giving this person chances to make EN24 look comical?

Please someone enlighten me. How exactly does comparing looting boars for gold give one credentials in speaking on the vast intricate workings of Eve's economic system? Let's not even touch his opinion on null sec, frig pvp, combat experience vs care bearing etc.

My point is Riv. You read these forums. And Ripard you are a CSM. Do us all a favor and send this little green goblin back to the Horde where he belongs.


(Also I fail at life for confusing Riverini and Ripard Teg. I shall take no less than 50 lashes for my incompetence )

Dang, STILL talking about WoW on the EvE forum -- and it isn't even me -- lololol

Title states it all. No this isn't a troll, flame or insult toward Goblin but rather I ask a legitimate question. What exactly do his article's contribute toward in improving Eve? I read all the pretty little news sites mainly for laughes over the propoganda war and of course for the abissmal articles written on an almost daily basis by Gelvon Goblin.

See I understand that all if not mainly a majority of the news written for EN24 and Mittani well are spun. But even I fail to see any legitimate contribution Goblin brings except for infuriating those who endure the pain of reading his opinions on making Eve like World Of Warcraft.

His articles hold little context. Rather than taking an outward look at Eve as a whole, he often gloats from simple things like his wallet balance, to his "acceptance" into TEST (as if this was an achievement worth any merit at this stage in the war), and of course let us never forget my fellow simpletons he achieved the "gold cap" in WoW.

No I'm not kidding. . Why not stick someone else to fill the gap on the "economic" section of your website? Why keep giving this person chances to make EN24 look comical?

Please someone enlighten me. How exactly does comparing looting boars for gold give one credentials in speaking on the vast intricate workings of Eve's economic system? Let's not even touch his opinion on null sec, frig pvp, combat experience vs care bearing etc.

My point is Riv. You read these forums. And Ripard you are a CSM. Do us all a favor and send this little green goblin back to the Horde where he belongs.


(Also I fail at life for confusing Riverini and Ripard Teg. I shall take no less than 50 lashes for my incompetence )

Autists gonna aut.

No this isn't a troll...

EDIT: Oh and when has he ever admitted he was wrong? He just says anyone disagreeing with him is a troll and as such should not be listened to, and we're all "morons and slackers". He's also a PvP master, apparently better than all alliances, so maybe you should just chuck him on defense and be done with it. If we all show up in hulks, we're doomed.

This is embarrassing. Not knowing about ..(snip).... is one thing, but I should have known that ...(snip)....


Lock the dumb thread please, let it be forgotten

It's not an attack. It's the truth. HE knows nothing about EVE, yet claims to be an expert.

It's not an attack. It's the truth. HE knows nothing about EVE, yet claims to be an expert. EN24 promoting him is pushing utterly incorrect information on everyone that reads it, and it's a disgrace for a site that aims to be even remotely serious.

I don't understand why there is so much hate about this guy. I usually enjoy his articles, which brings a different and sometimes refreshing perspective to the game.

He is arrogant, ok. He sometimes speak as if what he says must be taken as a generally true statement when its only a point of view. But then, you just have to use your critical sense.

His article about competitive and objective oriented people was really intersting according to me, and there has been others.

But it is just stupid to try to censor him, as censorship in general is a stupid thing.


This is a nice combo. "I say the complete TRUTH, he knows NOTHING". That statement is either a big lie or a proof of stupidity. He has to know at least a little bit, since he make a lot of money. He just does not play according to your playstyle, but Eve is a sandbox. It is designed to allow several way to enjoy it. I think the guy understand your way of playing better than you understand his. The only issue is that he is showing some sort of wariness about your playstyle and promotes an alternative, when you only show complete disdain for his.

Ha you read EN24.

oh really... you are just jealous Goblin is eve famous and you are not, his innovative thinking is revolutionizing the way the game is being played.

In b4 ships turn into flying mounts and we can have pets in station

Considering all the hate in this thread I have taken the time to read his 2 newest posts on EN24 and the one referred in this thread:

• New scam: contract margin trade warns about a scam he fell for. VERY useful information
• PvP vs objectives apply the concepts of being competitive vs. objective-orientated on the different activities in EvE and explain how the same activity can view viewed completely different depending on your focus. This is an interesting view and it parallels the product vs. process-orientated personality type concepts used in RL management
• EVE Online AUR to save DUST 514 make the suggestion to let EVE and DUST interact through AUR. Also a very interesting suggestion

From this little sample it seems he write informative and interesting articles. However most of the comments to his posts contribute nothing, so if anything were to be removed I would suggest that the comments to his articles was shut down.

And why would you be upset about it in a "sandbox" game?

Think EvE doesn't have themepark features? PI is a classic example of it. It'll creep into EvE because just having an open canvas to play on becomes quite boring after awhile, when the only player action is shooting each other (don't know about you, but folks can just get that without a sub or F2P/P2W schemes with a FPS game).

blah blah incompetence )

Dang, STILL talking about WoW on the EvE forum -- and it isn't even me -- lololol

AS soon as his articles go on EN24 you can here the entire community sigh in unison. It's not just EVE though. Look back to 2009-2010 at articles about him from the WoW community. It was the same then.

There, cut to the chase on that post.

I've only visited that Greedy Goblin guy's blog once a few days ago after reading a thread about him in the Missions and Complexes forum (the OP seemed about as butt hurt about Gevlon as you do).

So I went to the blog and read how he used a Cheapfit Marauder with dualboxed logi to do missions and make isk. The tone of the article was fairly smug and imo arrogant, as if it were the greatest PVE thing anyone had ever thought of when in fact something like Dual Boxed domis (w/sentries), typhoons, RR cheapfit wormhole style Tengus or Ravens (supporting with FoF missiles) would have been both cheaper and much MUCH more effective. I didn't like the experience of reading his blog post.

So I, Jenn aSide, Empress (yes Empress because of white girl avatar) of General Discussion came up with this unique, never before heard of, never before tried, totally experimental plan to solve the problem.

I shut down the browser window that had the blog post on it....then I didn't ever go back again. You should maybe try that too.

I expect my noble prize for awesomeness to be in the mail shortly, because no one has ever conceived of a plan such as mine!

We all have, though, heard about his post on TEST forums saying it was pointless to show up if you couldn't bring a ship for fighting capitals.

Yeah, that is the solution. However (yes, there's a however) EN24 is one of 2 main news sites, and they have opposing bias, so generally it's best to read both. EN24 chooses to post Gevlon's nonsense as a news article. That's what the complaint here is about.

As EN24 don't seem to respond to the mass of complaints on it's site about Gevlon, someone chose to raise the topic here. I fully support it and think EN24 should stop publishing Gevlon's articles. He will still get his supporters on his blog and they can go chat nonsense all the want.

I'm sorry, how much are you paying for EN24 or Mittani.com subscriptions. I don't know, I haven't gotten my bill in the email yet.....

Last time I looked, This above mentioned sites are privately owned and operated, which means that if all they ever wanted to do is post Chinese translations of Das Kapital and Mien Kampf, that's their business. Your choice is go there and read ...or don't, that's it.

What you posted reminds me soooo much of the people in the Ships and mods forum who complain about EFT and EVEMON...FREE TOOLs you get for free and don't even have to pay a dime for (lol), yet people think they are entitled to some kind of rights regarding them. That's BS, don't like free stuff, don't use it and tell your freinds to not use it.

I'm amazed that things that are so simple for most of us turn out to be so hard for certain others....

lol? Really?
Did TEST listen? It would explain why we've breezed though Fountain since he joined TEST.

I'm sorry, how much are you paying for EN24 or Mittani.com subscriptions. I don't know, I haven't gotten my bill in the email yet.....

There, cut to the chase on that post.

I've only visited that Greedy Goblin guy's blog once a few days ago after reading a thread about him in the Missions and Complexes forum (the OP seemed about as butt hurt about Gevlon as you do).

So I went to the blog and read how he used a Cheapfit Marauder with dualboxed logi to do missions and make isk. The tone of the article was fairly smug and imo arrogant, as if it were the greatest PVE thing anyone had ever thought of when in fact something like Dual Boxed domis (w/sentries), typhoons, RR cheapfit wormhole style Tengus or Ravens (supporting with FoF missiles) would have been both cheaper and much MUCH more effective. I didn't like the experience of reading his blog post.

So I, Jenn aSide, Empress (yes Empress because of white girl avatar) of General Discussion came up with this unique, never before heard of, never before tried, totally experimental plan to solve the problem.

I shut down the browser window that had the blog post on it....then I didn't ever go back again. You should maybe try that too.

I expect my noble prize for awesomeness to be in the mail shortly, because no one has ever conceived of a plan such as mine!

Yes, I'm fully aware they are free and run off of ads, but they alienate their readers. I used to primarily read EN24 as I liked the blog cross posts. Now I go there maybe once a week to cherry pick the articles I care about and just go straight to the bloggers for the rest. I'm certainly not saying anyone is entitled to anything, but if they want to take their site seriously they need to read and respond to feedback, which they do not appear to be doing.

EDIT: And just to clarify, no one is asking for action. We are simply stating our opinions about the trash articles and EN24 can feel free to take on board or ignore the posts here as they see fit.

Action? I'd love for TEST to take his advice so this war would be over much quicker

I'm not entirely sure it's possible for TEST to be losing quicker than they are. Have you seen the fountain changes for the past 3 days?

Wilhelm doesn't actually write for EN24, he just allows riverini to republish his content. That is also the case with Gevlon, Ripard Teg, Kirith, Mord Fiddle, Mabrick, Poetic and several others: they run their own blogs but riverini simply reposts it.

Don't you know the old saying about train wrecks? They are so terrible but once they happen you can't look away. Also instead of being a smartass perhaps you could actually read the EN24 articles where he fumbles around trying to put a spin on things he knows nothing about.

Andski's absolutely correct here. Riverini has an agreement with a half dozen bloggers that he may syndicate selected blog posts from our blogs in exchange for ISK. It's a Huffington Post sort of arrangement, which is a pretty nifty idea but unlike HuffPo the bloggers don't choose the syndicated posts, Riverini does.

For myself, I have no contact with Gevlon.

I'm really ******* sick of people treating autism as a joke. Kill yourself.

i've read his articles. I found nothing to like, so i don't read them.

The train wreck thing is just an excuse for someone who wants to force someone else to stop talking. Sorry, while I think the guy is a tool (based on my brief examination of his writing), i also think I don't have to read it, so there is no problem worthy of a butt hurt sounding GD thread.

Some high-functioning autistics have learned to have a small sense of humor about themselves. Probably cases of an autists auting.

Suicide, on the other hand, is not a laughing matter.



Sorry for thread derailment, do carry on.

So Ripard, can you ask Riverini why he pays Gevlon to provide absolute nonsense?

Hopefully, you're not confusing me with Riverini also.

Seriously though, I have no idea how Riverini chooses the blogs he does and the posts he does. The cynic would say it's purely for hits or for controversy, and Gevlon certainly provides that! But it's just as easy to say that when Riverini started syndicating Gevlon, public voices from the south were few and far between and it was just a lack of options. But again, I have no idea. You should ask Riverini this.

you should try not to read eve24, kugu, coad, and all other demoralizing trolling politic crap site and your eve will become much more interesting and not so much depressing anymore...

How exactly do I force Goblin to stop talking? He has his own blog and is an active member (allegedly) of TEST forums so please... stop trying to paint this as something it isn't. Myself as well as others are just curious besides page views what else does he contribute to EN24 or just Eve in general?

From your response and others I've read nothing at all.

Hopefully, you're not confusing me with Riverini also. .

You already know the guy is a tool,You already know he contributes nothing, You're asking this question is at best a troll and at worst a bigger troll. And you know it.

The bad thing is, you're giving the guy free advertising. Now people who would have never heard the name Gevlon...have heard the name Gevlon.

Good job.

Gevlon posts good stuff on his blog. He gets the hate because he doesn't hide his WoW background in shame like a good Eve player is expected. He also judges success differently than a lot of Eve players, mostly its isk made, and not ships exploded.

As an example of a good article: Introduction to trading: the first steps to riches

It is not an experts guide to trading as some of the comments in the article would criticize it as such. It is a "trading first steps" article for newbros. I did what he said and in 2 days was up 100mil. I am now buying t2 destroyers+fit for almost 3mil less than I was just off the sale orders. All I need do is plan a little bit ahead and be patient.

Considering that the average Eve player lives in hisec, runs missions, mines, industry, mostly solo and hardly interacting, I'd say Gevlon is way above average in contributing to the Eve community. Even if you don't agree with the justifications I've given, he does at least spark interaction among a lot of the player base. That's pretty good contribution for one player.

His first steps to trading said basically Buy low, sell high, never buy from a buy order or sell to a sell order. It's a great way to make a decent amount of isk if you've got a lot of capital. If you don't have a lot of capital (ie, if you are new) it's pretty stupid. It's gambling on the price gap being due to fulfilled buy orders, and ties up your capital so you get less cycles. New bros shouldn't tie up capital for long period of time on gambles. If you process your isk (like manufacturing or PI) then sell swiftly but for a decent markup, you'll get less isk/cycle, but more cycles.
Realistically you can start a fresh character, transfer him nothing and have 100m in the bank by the end of the day.

Even his high sec knowledge is pretty bad. His SOE missions "changing missioning forever" is a good example on this. Expensive inefficient fits for thing that everyone knows exists. The problem is, the way he writes is designed to confound the unknowing, and he chucks ins a bunch of made up stats, people like you swallow it up as fact.

The "average player" does not solo in high sec. a lot of the people in high sec soloing are people from elsewhere. I usually have 3 or 4 high sec characters logged on when I'm trading, as well as a missioner grinding for standings. My mains live in null though. All Gevlon contributes is made up "facts", made up statistics and egotistic opinions.

The first step is thinking ahead of you. Do you fly a Rokh? Then you'll need Rokhs. So instead of buying an overpriced one when you are podded back to your staging system, how about setting a buy order a few days before? If you could wait 3 months training to fly a Rokh, you can wait 3 days to get one much cheaper.

His advice isn't geared toward making a living at trading. Its to save money while doing your normal Eve things:



which is what I am now doing with his advice. I don't want to play Stock Market Online, but I do want to pay the least for the ships I'm going to explode. You want to be a professional trader and "work the market" and talk about "velocity of money" and all thats fine. I just want catalysts and incursus + fit at the cheapest price possible. If I can get them cheap and sell a few extras at a profit, so much the better.

Talking about your alts doesn't make your play a group effort. They're all still you. Interacting with the Eve community does. Now you in particular do interact and contribute, but alts are not evidence of such.

Right, but you said this is for noobs. Market velocity is important. If you have 1b, and you sit ona 20m buy order for 2 days, you have 980m to play with. If you have 20m and you sit on a 20m buy order, you are stagnating until that completes. Once it completes, you might make 15% on your investment. But in the same time, you could have make say 10% on your investment 4 times over, reinvesting the same cash over and over.

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I'm sorry, i call them like I see them. This discussion is pretty worthless, but like all the people who post butt hurt about goons, you are empowering their stupid.

Oh well, it's your funeral as they say and I won't argue further, , but what you're doing is dumb.

I'm glad you enjoy station trading, I do not. I'd rather be out blowing something up knowing that in a day or two I'll have a new ship waiting for me when I leroy this one into some bad guys. I'll have that ship at a significant discount over the sell order too. I'm not stangnating, I'm in space blowing stuff up. That you like station trading and want to maximize the isk made that way, not everyone does.

Also, a couple of times you've mentioned that the things Gevlon has said on his blog are things people already knew. Now, I'm but a simple noobie, but I wonder where those people learned those things? Also I wonder were newbros will learn those things? Can't tell you how many guides I've read online to fit ships for PvP.. most of them conflicting. There are at least 2 sites I can go to for intel on how to get that stupid damsel rescued yet again. How many places can I get information on what is going on in the wormhole I just went through? I know at least 3. So whats it to you if he writes on a topic that you happen to already know? Someone doesn't know that.. new someones join Eve every day.

I'm glad you enjoy station trading, I do not. I'd rather be out blowing something up knowing that in a day or two I'll have a new ship waiting for me when I leroy this one into some bad guys. I'll have that ship at a significant discount over the sell order too. I'm not stangnating, I'm in space blowing stuff up. That you like station trading and want to maximize the isk made that way, not everyone does.

Also, a couple of times you've mentioned that the things Gevlon has said on his blog are things people already knew. Now, I'm but a simple noobie, but I wonder where those people learned those things? Also I wonder were newbros will learn those things? Can't tell you how many guides I've read online to fit ships for PvP.. most of them conflicting. There are at least 2 sites I can go to for intel on how to get that stupid damsel rescued yet again. How many places can I get information on what is going on in the wormhole I just went through? I know at least 3. So whats it to you if he writes on a topic that you happen to already know? Someone doesn't know that.. new someones join Eve every day.

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Reading the posts in this thread I dare say arrogance is not soley Gevlon's perview.

Even though nothing he says is right I went ahead and followed the advice in that trading article to cut 1.2mil or so off the cost of the cats I use. I also went ahead and bought a weeks worth of phased plasma for my hurricane for 100isk discout. Hope that is ok.

Reading the posts in this thread I dare say arrogance is not soley Gevlon's perview

And yes, I've said he posts thing people already knew, but that because he leads up to them talking about them like they are going to be a revolution in EVE, then they are are half assed post full of incorrect information about stuff we already know about. It doesn't help noobs cos half of it is wrong. Just because you think it sounds right because he says it with such conviction does not make it so.

The fact Goblin is able to generate so much butthurt angst and rabid teeth-gnashing is in itself delightful....his writing talents, whatever they may or may not be, aside.

Tears and apoplectic frustration come in all shapes and sizes in the EVE universe. They are always delightful.

Always.

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I'm sorry, i call them like I see them. This discussion is pretty worthless, but like all the people who post butt hurt about goons, you are empowering their stupid.

Oh well, it's your funeral as they say and I won't argue further, , but what you're doing is dumb.

While I agree with your overall sentiment that this ranting is pointless it is no different than players coming to rant about a feature or any other cause within this game to CCP. They do it because they enjoy the product or service offered. When something bad taints that image it's a fairly common reaction to let it be known. While yes it is very easy to skip over the posts, not read, say that they don't pay for the service(which isn't true), the actual point is that the customer is unhappy with the level of service.

They have made it known that they have tried to reach Riverini through his officially provided channels with no response. So they are choosing to elevate the issue. Whether that is the correct course of action is for neither of us to decide.

At the end of the day I feel that the OP and friends feel that the continued syndication of this author will and has significantly hurt the service, possibly to the point where they can no longer enjoy it. At the end of the day I see the OP trying to preserve a service they enjoy.

Of course this is an opinion, please feel free to skip it and not reply if it doesn't suit your tastes.

Bollocks.

Having been a former employee of riverini, I can tell you why he syndicates Gubbins on EN24.

Because he's bad. It's troll food. It feeds the click throughs and comments sections generating rivvy-poo money to pay the few people that do write fresh content for him.

Goblin suffers from WoW-itis. His whole lens is tinted by his experience there. For some reason he thinks that gold-capping toons in WoW means something. Some people were playing the auction house and making a mint long before Gubbins came alone and popularized it. Making Scrooge McDuck piles of ISK only matters to other people making piles of ISK. Accumulating ISK for the sake of accumulating ISK is just ONE way to play the game and have fun in Eve. To Gubbins, it's the world. I have more respect for the likes of Helicity Boson who find thoroughly entertaining ways of amusing themselves in Eve with scant resources.

That being said. Goblin, (shocking!) occasionally writes something that is not-shite. Although, a day or two after he will leave a stinky upper-decker that rivvy-poo will repost. Again feeding the trolls and unmoderated badposting in the comments section. Riv is a pro at being a one-man-band but even he can't do everything all the time.

I agree with the OP. Glevon Goblin is an absolute waste of space. He proves with every article that he knows nothing about EVE, does not listen to anyone else's opinions and has this thing about separating people into tiered categories (of which shockingly he is at the top). I like EN24, but there's more and more of these nonsense articles appearing on there, and I'm not bothering to go on there most of the time now. Now I just jump straight to the blogs like Jester's Trek, or onto alternative eve news sites.

At the end of the day EN24 wants to be seen as a serious news site, and these posts go directly against that image.

But you posted in his every single blog, and posted in a pretty lengthy way. I thought you were a very loyal reader as you ate through his every single word.

Yep, I do post on his blog, and I generally tend to read what he posts. I'm not one to talk about a subject which I haven't personally looked into, so I read, and I post, but from that it is clear that he has no interest in fact, only churning out post after post of egotistic bull.

Now that he is in TEST, he's added bias to his posts, so for the time being I'll continue to post to counter that bias in the comments.

Still, this is about EN24, which is a popular site and houses actual news, as well as writings from people well respected in the community, including CSM members. Reposting an article means they support the article. Reposting articles filled with nonsense mean they support that nonsense, and that's generally a bad position to take if you want to be taken seriously.

Countering negative idea is not a positive idea, but another negative idea. If you want to make your writing useful and worthwhile, make a blog and post things. And make your posts good enough that riverini has no choice but posts them.

Yeah, that is the solution. However (yes, there's a however) EN24 is one of 2 main news sites, and they have opposing bias, so generally it's best to read both. EN24 chooses to post Gevlon's nonsense as a news article. That's what the complaint here is about.

As EN24 don't seem to respond to the mass of complaints on it's site about Gevlon, someone chose to raise the topic here. I fully support it and think EN24 should stop publishing Gevlon's articles. He will still get his supporters on his blog and they can go chat nonsense all the want.

What is a riverini?

Kind of wine, I think. To be served with cheese.

Gevlon Goblin gives us all a person to point and laugh at because of how hilariously wrong they are on most things. You know, like every other libertarian on the face of the planet.

Gevlon Goblin gives us all a person to point and laugh at because of how hilariously wrong they are on most things.

Stealth bombers without bombs shooting structures. Literally the worst fleet concept ever.

Hahahaha

He really said that? Jesus....

Stealth bombers are great ships, they can decimate whole fleets in a bombing run. They can move undetectable, they can jump to covert cynos, they can light cynos and they can do many more. Grinding down multi-million HP Sov structures is not among them. Making people fly "siege fleets" has the same effect on their willingness to log in again as making them fly remote-repping Rokhs.

Let me see if I have the quote. Well I have his blog a view to get it, so be grateful. I didn't do it for you...

Note: After a couple weeks of running nigh-non-stop Siege fleets, we were keeping numbers of ~100, and in peak times reached 160 in fleet at a time.

Goblin has been pouring isk into TEST, in a way he's the one being robbed here....

You know your Alliance is in the shitter when the likes of Gelvon Goblin funds your war.

I'd be interested to see of this is true. If it is well color me purple because I'm choking on dinner cause I'm laughing so hard.

http://covertcyno.com/donors.html

He is listed as having given ~40 billion.

Please don't make fun of TEST.