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Constantin Baracca
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:55:00 -
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I know I'm maybe being a bit simplistic, but wouldn't it just be easier to have CONCORD ban personal weapons outside personal areas in stations? I'm assuming that if they've got devices that can scan your ship and cargo hold, it would be just as easy to scan you and take your guns and knives.
Just a thought, but it seems a lot less complicated to just leave people with nothing to fight with but their fists. That isn't likely to kill a capsuleer before station guards break the fight up.
Maybe plastic cutlery? Sporks? "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1047
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:29:00 -
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If you die away from your brain-pan scanner, you die. End of story!
A clone of you would then be activated with memories up to the last time you had a backup, and no memory of what the 'dead' you did after the backup (unless you left a sticky note on the fridge with what you did after the backup scan).
There is no capsuleer out of the pod (or clonebay) instant-transfer of consciousness. Ever. It's been said 100 times, even in this thread; DUST and Capsuleer implants are fundamentally incompatible, and there is no in-between. Those fancy implants that let you fly spaceships with your mind, make it impossible for you to plug in the DUST implants. If you want to zip your consciousness around, you clone jump via a clonebay. This is in a special place with special equipment, not out walking on the street.
So aside from the sorts of protections massive amounts of money and power bring you, at the end of the day you are just so much weak flesh once you are away from the scanning/xfer equipment.
All of this of course applies to us 'player' capsuleers.
There's the Broker, but he's a mary-sue if I've ever seen one :P
And technically if you were away from CONCORD you could probably activate more than one clone of yourself at the same time, but the extents of CONCORD control over these processes is not made aware to us.
IE the pirate factions have dust mercs, and have capsuleers not bound by concord. What's to stop them from activating a few dozen clones of Mordu?
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
95
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Posted - 2013.09.21 07:01:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:If you die away from your brain-pan scanner, you die. End of story! ...
There's the Broker, but he's a mary-sue if I've ever seen one :P
See, be careful with that part. You're stating a lot of ultimatums as if the Broker truly terrifies you and upsets your concrete world of what you envision capsuleers are.
I herald from a time prior to DUST mercs ever existing, I know the feeling.
But technology evolves and capsuleers want more and more ways of being able to venture outside their capsule within the lore. Presently, there's a lot of freedom to do so, but also high potential to take a **** on the lore too.
Am trying to avoid that.
Yet an example being where I recommended the mechanics of the DUST implants. I'm not talking about the implant itself, only the vehicle aspect that allows for a wireless transfer.
Isn't it not far-fetched to say that it's possible to use the router portion ONLY from DUST implants to extend the range of the brain spike to a limited range outside the capsule? The router featured within DUST implants combined with a new (possibly illegal?) implant that features a mobile brain spike? Basicly, just a wireless connection to your capsule?
Am not trying to integrate DUST tech, am looking only to steal a component of it (for sake of helping RPers out).
And I can't find anything in the lore of DUST or EVE to suggest it wouldn't be possible.
(It would be new if so, possibly even an implant constructed by Serpentis Inquest...) |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1047
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Posted - 2013.09.21 21:07:00 -
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How many times does falcon have to say this is not possible for capsuleers?
I'm not going to bother finding all the quotes, just work your fiction around this small constraint and get over it
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
100
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Posted - 2013.09.22 05:34:00 -
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(double post) |
Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
100
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Posted - 2013.09.22 05:38:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:How many times does falcon have to say this is not possible for capsuleers?
I'm not going to bother finding all the quotes, just work your fiction around this small constraint and get over it
You mean this quote?
CCP Falcon wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I know a bunch of clones that don't need a pod to transfer consciousness, it is only matter of time for that implant starts finding its way into capsuleers. That's not going to happen. The two technologies are fundamentally incompatible.
That was never was an argument.
Please do find another quote as a vast number of the RP community are brushing this subject with the same debate. Nobody is trying to use DUST implants, only an aspect of them.
I am not prepared to tell them all they're wrong because some girl doesn't like capsuleer evolution, especially where common sense counters so easily.
Please, find another quote or I would ask you, instead, to get over it. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1047
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Posted - 2013.09.22 22:14:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I know a bunch of clones that don't need a pod to transfer consciousness, it is only matter of time for that implant starts finding its way into capsuleers. That's not going to happen. The two technologies are fundamentally incompatible.
CCP Falcon wrote: When you unplug from the capsule, you're just as vulnerable as any other meat-sack out there
Speak with him yourself if you need further clarification, the point is there's no getting around it. You leave the pod, you are a weak flesh bag with no second chances.
Can't have it all.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
101
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:04:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I know a bunch of clones that don't need a pod to transfer consciousness, it is only matter of time for that implant starts finding its way into capsuleers. That's not going to happen. The two technologies are fundamentally incompatible. CCP Falcon wrote: When you unplug from the capsule, you're just as vulnerable as any other meat-sack out there
Speak with him yourself if you need further clarification, the point is there's no getting around it. You leave the pod, you are a weak flesh bag with no second chances. Can't have it all.
Nobody is trying to have it all. And again, nobody is trying to use the DUST implant to accomplish any of this (only a reference for a future capsuleer-only implant). And there is reason to go around it as you're trying to make ultimatums about what a vast section of the RP community has been trying to play similarly to the role of The Broker as featured within the novel (one of the best feared examples of a capsuleer using their power to instigate an agenda).
In fact, technically whatever technology he used could easily be the base (or simply is the technology) we're referring to. And you troll the character because you don't like how invulnerable it makes some people.
I'm sorry, Miss Vitalia, you're right, you can't have it all.
I kindly hope a GM can clarify this and/or you can find a quote stating how The Broker is a purely fictional character and not within the EVE lore. Else I'm going to start recommending EVERYBODY start rolling out with Broker tech. |
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CCP Falcon
4084
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:35:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I know a bunch of clones that don't need a pod to transfer consciousness, it is only matter of time for that implant starts finding its way into capsuleers. That's not going to happen. The two technologies are fundamentally incompatible. CCP Falcon wrote: When you unplug from the capsule, you're just as vulnerable as any other meat-sack out there
Speak with him yourself if you need further clarification, the point is there's no getting around it. You leave the pod, you are a weak flesh bag with no second chances. Can't have it all. Nobody is trying to have it all. And again, nobody is trying to use the DUST implant to accomplish any of this (only a reference for a future capsuleer-only implant). And there is reason to go around it as you're trying to make ultimatums about what a vast section of the RP community has been trying to play similarly to the role of The Broker as featured within the novel (one of the best feared examples of a capsuleer using their power to instigate an agenda). In fact, technically whatever technology he used could easily be the base (or simply is the technology) we're referring to. And you troll the character because you don't like how invulnerable it makes some people. I'm sorry, Miss Vitalia, you're right, you can't have it all. I kindly hope a GM can clarify this and/or you can find a quote stating how The Broker is a purely fictional character and not within the EVE lore. Else I'm going to start recommending EVERYBODY start rolling out with Broker tech.
It's very easy to say that The Broker was a one off, and that quite literally no else in the cluster would have access to the technology, funding and capability that he did. His pockets were quite literally bottomless. He also did not use the same technology as DUST mercs do, and was around way before the technology ever existed. It was several years after he died that it was discovered, concieved and reverse engineered.
It's also good to look up your prime fiction with regards to how the capsule works. The Neural burning hardware used in a capsule quite literally fries your brain during the process of capturing its state once the pod is breached, turning you into a dribbling simpleton. It's so intrusive that it bombards the brain with all kinds of nasty radiation and causes instant breakdown of cellular integrity and the destruction of tissue.
The capsule's on board systems effectively euthanize you once the scan is complete with a lethal dosage of a methylmercury based neurotoxin that quite easily crosses the blood brain barrier and causes massive damage, in order to prevent you from being exposed to vacuum and dying far more painfully and horribly.
I just finished writing the technical backstory surrounding the capsule and it's basic operating principles a few weeks back
It's not possible to be both a DUST mercenary and a capsuleer, hence why you have seperate characters for each purpose. The two technologies operate completely independantly of eachother and are so fundementally different that it makes them incompatible on the most basic of levels.
DUST mercenaries are an entirely different, albeit equally dangerous type of immortal.
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Matar Ronin
97
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:55:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:It's very easy to say that The Broker was a one off, and that quite literally no else in the cluster would have access to the technology, funding and capability that he did. His pockets were quite literally bottomless. He also did not use the same technology as DUST mercs do, and was around way before the technology ever existed. It was several years after he died that it was discovered, concieved and reverse engineered. It's also good to look up your prime fiction with regards to how the capsule works. The Neural burning hardware used in a capsule quite literally fries your brain during the process of capturing its state once the pod is breached, turning you into a dribbling simpleton. It's so intrusive that it bombards the brain with all kinds of nasty radiation and causes instant breakdown of cellular integrity and the destruction of tissue. The capsule's on board systems effectively euthanize you once the scan is complete with a lethal dosage of a methylmercury based neurotoxin that quite easily crosses the blood brain barrier and causes massive damage, in order to prevent you from being exposed to vacuum and dying far more painfully and horribly. I just finished writing the technical backstory surrounding the capsule and it's basic operating principles a few weeks back It's not possible to be both a DUST mercenary and a capsuleer, hence why you have seperate characters for each purpose. The two technologies operate completely independantly of eachother and are so fundementally different that it makes them incompatible on the most basic of levels. DUST mercenaries are an entirely different, albeit equally dangerous type of immortal. Well dang it all to heck! I'll have to re-cobble some of the fan fiction I am writing. Although the connection between Capsuleers and Dust 514 clones should represent a potent threat to the current status quo of the New Eden universe, getting them to work together when one is completely vulnerable in face to face meetings is going to be a challenge. Thanks for the clarification nonetheless.
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Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
103
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:19:00 -
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*sigh* I give up.
Again, never was trying to mention trying to be a DUST merc nor use the implants of. The question was always could capsuleers construct technology similar in function to extend the capsule's functions beyond the capsule.
I guess everyone literally hates the idea or cares too much about people trying to play god in their own little story lines. I'll stop bothering people now. |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
564
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:55:00 -
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It is what it is.. =)
That being said, it is full of hand wavium and illogical conclusions..
As it is not a clone, simply a meat suit for a consciousness that is apparently mappable down to the nth degree.. To say that the consciousness cannot, due to reasons of genetics, I presume, make the crossover from one sort of meatsack to another, seems a rather shallow restriction to me.. But, hey, I'm not a Dev.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1861
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Posted - 2013.09.24 15:02:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Again, never was trying to mention trying to be a DUST merc nor use the implants of. The question was always could capsuleers construct technology similar in function to extend the capsule's functions beyond the capsule.
COULD they?
Seems like RP god says no. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
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CCP Delegate Zero
C C P C C P Alliance
73
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Posted - 2013.09.24 18:19:00 -
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As things stand the capsule's personality scanning functions, together with its core command and control interface functionality, are limited to operating within the confines of the hydrostatic capsule itself.
Capsuleer implants do not provide any personality recording and transmission capability. It's not what they are for. There is no sense in which a capsuleer can benefit from the capsule's personality scan and transfer functions at a remove. The technology simply isn't present unless they are somehow walking around with a transneural burning scanner and a high-bandwidth 4-helium fluid router in very close proximity to their heads.
That's not a setup you can fit in a helmet and backpack, let alone within the confines of a human-sized skull. It integrates very nicely with the capsule though. Or a jumpclone bay in a station. If you're really adventurous, you can mount it all in a vehicle but it isn't particularly recommended given the history of such attempts.
As for capsuleer and merc clones. They're really quite different in their design and functions under the surface. Not to mention implants and augmentations used by each class of cloned being are very different.
Each have their advantages and vulnerabilities depending on the situations and environments in which they're operating.
By the way, I think it's cool to build your own ideas and roleplay concepts onto the core capsuleer or merc experiences as expressed in the prime fiction available to you all. Sharing those roleplay experiences or fiction with others is great.
When we clarify things, as far as we can, it's not a matter of hating people's ideas or issuing divine mandates, but rather helping people to figure out what the core PF foundation can reasonably support.
Cheers, DZ
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2088
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Posted - 2013.09.24 18:46:00 -
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I think you finally touched on Isis' suggestion, DZ. Until now, nobody had any idea how big or bulky the equipment actually was. We only knew that it existed in some form and for some reason wasn't available outside the capsule.
Realizing that it's (seemingly) a kitchen refrigerator sized 150kg block of machinery really explains why we can't just walk around with it outside the pod. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
564
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Posted - 2013.09.24 19:20:00 -
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The transfer equipment is inside the skull of a Dust merc. It requires an unspecified distance within which a Clone Reanimation Unit is located. Probably a few Kilometers, if the location of CRU's and the Mobile Command Carrier on the Dust battlefield is any indication.
While I understand the implants are not compatible to the distinct uses of pod pilot vs. dust merc, the idea that seperate "clones" is beyond the capabilities of current tech seems shallow and not too far off, at best.
An infomorph, which is what we truly are, suggests the possibility in the not too distant future.
Awakened Infomorph suggests a Sleeper, Dust tech infomorph, has been able to circumvent these restrictions by hijacking a pod pilot "clone".
There are several forms of "cloning", the jump clone being one that has not shown to use the destructive method of transfer. While prohibitive, impossible is a bit much to swallow without a tad bit of hand wavium.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
564
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Posted - 2013.09.24 19:46:00 -
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As DZ says, nothing prohibits you from developing your own fiction, most of which is OOC anyway. If you, as a Capsuleer, had developed this groundbreaking technology, would you REALLY share the fact? I know I wouldn't.... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1052
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Posted - 2013.09.24 20:04:00 -
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I think CONCORD frowns upon unlicensed clone tech *wags finger*
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Constantin Baracca
113
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:55:00 -
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I played a lot of Shadowrun back in the day, and it's one of those things where sometimes they simply say things don't work. Sometimes, it does make a lot of sense, though. Some thing are just incompatible.
For example, let's assume most of the capsuleer implants are meant to interface with a ship. That probably requires a lot of neural invasion. It's probably quite a rig. There may simply not be space to put a neural mapper and copier in there, so it has to be in an external package. DUST mercs don't get that treatment, since they only have to run their bodies. That leaves a lot of space to shove the mapper in their skull. In that sense, there may just not be enough space for both in the body.
That said, there's never been that much agreement on what precisely the implants need to be. I'm sure you can't be a DUST merc, but their bod implants might be transferable. You don't need your arms or legs to telepathically fly a ship. I think that's sort of where Isis was going at present. The headware might be incompatible, but you might get some of the other implants to make you stronger and faster than even a regular Capsuleer. That might not do us all much good, since capsuleers aren't often known for shooting rampages outside the pod (we've just got bigger guns on the boat). But in an RP sense, it might be feasible.
That also seems limiting to say it will never happen ever. Not in game terms, as obviously that's not going to happen in the near enough future to make it in the game. But I think Isis is talking about how the technology will probably eventually rise to the level that both will work simultaneously. Maybe the Jovians worked it out already.
At present, I'd say it's sort of in that holy-grail stage of weapons development. Everyone wants it, but the technology is just too big to fit both at the same time. Maybe the skull isn't big enough or the brain can't handle the strain of both at the same time. It's not impossible, but no one has developed it yet and aren't likely to develop it soon enough to matter for our purposes. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1055
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Posted - 2013.09.25 05:14:00 -
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You're already an insanely wealthy immortal demi-god shooting volkswagon sized artillery shells at other people with your mind.
That isn't enough?
:P
PF boundaries aren't limitations, they provide structure and a lattice to grow your own ideas in a mutually-shared environment.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
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Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
107
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Posted - 2013.09.25 05:40:00 -
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Thanks again DZ, an amazing post that clarified a ton of stuff we've been wondering about.
Some of the folks are thinking there might be a way to remote-drive bodies or use soft clones as a means to safeguard themselves in the event of baselining or venturing outside the capsule.
I don't have enough information on either field within the lore to make a further argument here though. Will make another forum topic should I stumble across where people are pulling that stuff from.
*curls up next to Silas Vitalia*
For now, I'm more than accepting. |
Loed Kane
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.09.25 08:14:00 -
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CCP Falcon
4097
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Posted - 2013.09.25 10:56:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:I think CONCORD frowns upon unlicensed clone tech *wags finger*
While CONCORD frowns upon unlicensed capsule tech and illegal cloning, it's still rife as they have no way to regulate it outside their sphere of influence. If they did, the vast majority of pirate capsuleers, pirate faction officers and other dirty scoundrels would all be dead or in custody.
I think the important thing to remember is that a little bit of artistic license is always applicable whenever you're role playing. It's not as if anyone at CCP is going to turn around and say "YOU THERE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!".
Prime fiction is there as a guide, a framework, not as a set of bars to keep you held in a cell and force your character to behave in a given way.
Personally, I'm all for soft cloning and the ability to have at least some form of insurance policy outside your capsule, however that's just my personal opinion. It's never been stated outright in prime fiction that it is or is not a thing. When I was a player I wrote fiction based around that principle. My view is that anything you put together needs to emphasize the fact you're still a sack of meat and are just as vulnerable to pain as anyone else out there, regardless of whether you can be killed and spat out of a vat with a bit of memory loss and a bad headache if you get killed out of pod.
No one in the right mind would put 100 percent faith in a piece of technology to keep them from dying. There's always that sliver of doubt in the back of your mind, especially with the stories of mindlocking and wetgraving that circulate. Whether you suck it up and get on with life, or worry about it is entirely down to your own character's mentality.
As I said earlier in the thread, I finished putting together the tech backstory for the capsule a while ago, and while capsuleers may arrogantly regard themselves as "immortal", fundamentally they aren't. The only thing that gives them as close to an immortal existence as is possible is the technology they're hooked up to, which due to its highly sensitive nature and bulkiness is not practical to be mobile.
My personal take on it is that if you were able to replicate the technology on a smaller scale that could be used anywhere by anyone, then you kind of dilute the entire purpose of the capsule and the capsuleer. CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á Live Events Organizer
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Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
107
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:25:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:I think CONCORD frowns upon unlicensed clone tech *wags finger* While CONCORD frowns upon unlicensed capsule tech and illegal cloning, it's still rife as they have no way to regulate it outside their sphere of influence. If they did, the vast majority of pirate capsuleers, pirate faction officers and other dirty scoundrels would all be dead or in custody. I think the important thing to remember is that a little bit of artistic license is always applicable whenever you're role playing. It's not as if anyone at CCP is going to turn around and say "YOU THERE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!". Prime fiction is there as a guide, a framework, not as a set of bars to keep you held in a cell and force your character to behave in a given way. Personally, I'm all for soft cloning and the ability to have at least some form of insurance policy outside your capsule, however that's just my personal opinion. It's never been stated outright in prime fiction that it is or is not a thing. When I was a player I wrote fiction based around that principle. My view is that anything you put together needs to emphasize the fact you're still a sack of meat and are just as vulnerable to pain as anyone else out there, regardless of whether you can be killed and spat out of a vat with a bit of memory loss and a bad headache if you get killed out of pod. No one in the right mind would put 100 percent faith in a piece of technology to keep them from dying. There's always that sliver of doubt in the back of your mind, especially with the stories of mindlocking and wetgraving that circulate. Whether you suck it up and get on with life, or worry about it is entirely down to your own character's mentality. As I said earlier in the thread, I finished putting together the tech backstory for the capsule a while ago, and while capsuleers may arrogantly regard themselves as "immortal", fundamentally they aren't. The only thing that gives them as close to an immortal existence as is possible is the technology they're hooked up to, which due to its highly sensitive nature and bulkiness is not practical to be mobile. My personal take on it is that if you were able to replicate the technology on a smaller scale that could be used anywhere by anyone, then you kind of dilute the entire purpose of the capsule and the capsuleer.
I think I see that now. I guess because I've been quite the risk taker lately and especially bold (as witnessed on the forums). I've always worried over another player (since the RP playerbase tends to think more outside the box here) taking steps to truly bait me into a situation where they kill me for good.
No more. Or at least not as frequently. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
769
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:44:00 -
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So a capsuleer can't just remain hooked up to a hydrostatic capsule and control a cybernetic avatar/robot of themselves through a helium-4 fluid router system much like they seem to do with combat drones and thus be the ultimate puppet-master they always wanted to be? |
Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
107
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Posted - 2013.09.25 15:23:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:So a capsuleer can't just remain hooked up to a hydrostatic capsule and control a cybernetic avatar/robot of themselves through a helium-4 fluid router system much like they seem to do with combat drones and thus be the ultimate puppet-master they always wanted to be?
I guess not :( |
David Laurentson
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
62
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:08:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:So a capsuleer can't just remain hooked up to a hydrostatic capsule and control a cybernetic avatar/robot of themselves through a helium-4 fluid router system much like they seem to do with combat drones and thus be the ultimate puppet-master they always wanted to be?
I assume you'd need most of a ship as well. I mean, most frigates can barely handle drones, so a grounded Pod certainly can't. Even then, you're limited to relatively short ranges. A 'drone' more complex than default 'engines, guns and some sort of hull' would be really hard... and Drones even have on-board AI to manage as much as they do.
Am I wrong, or did Templar 1 imply that a Capsuleer could be killed out-of-pod and still re-awakened from a clone, but they'd lose memories between their last update and death? Or did I just hypothesise that while reading it? |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
771
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:20:00 -
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Admittedly, it was a drunken thought but it really just stemmed from an idea in which paranoid capsuleers might come up with the idea of, "Wait, why can't I just subvert the man-machine interface right here so that instead of controlling a spaceship I'm controlling an artificial proxy of myself, then I can do things outside the pod without worrying about assassination attempts."
This only because I thought it would be hilarious for a capsuleer to, instead of going I think therefore I fire all my blasters, they'd think and play grabass-by-proxy many light years away in some Poitot dive bar while delivering terrible lines to drunken patrons such as: "Hey babe, now I know you must be an Angel, because you just arrived from Heaven." |
Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
109
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:20:00 -
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David Laurentson wrote: Am I wrong, or did Templar 1 imply that a Capsuleer could be killed out-of-pod and still re-awakened from a clone, but they'd lose memories between their last update and death? Or did I just hypothesise that while reading it?
That is soft clones for you, one of the technologies I'm still trying to find the article about/over. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
404
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Posted - 2013.09.27 13:18:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:So a capsuleer can't just remain hooked up to a hydrostatic capsule and control a cybernetic avatar/robot of themselves through a helium-4 fluid router system much like they seem to do with combat drones and thus be the ultimate puppet-master they always wanted to be?
I don't see why not, you could have a drone version of yourself to interact in the clubs and bars of New Eden, though obviously tring to drink through it would be unsatisfying, even if its a near perfect imitation of yourself. Perhaps there's still room for synthetic proxy bodies that are rented by paranoid capsuleers who are worried about real death. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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