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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
143
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:44:00 -
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Why don't they?
1) they go alone. ---people that don't PvP trying to solo? Idiotic. FC's are very rare creatures. In huge alliances of thousands of players, there are but a handful of FC's. When you solo, you are taking on the role of FC along with all the others in a fleet. The sheer enormity of what FC's seem to know about Eve is staggering, yet people that don't even tag along in fleets spamming F1 are surprised they get blown up? This is a recipe for failure but is incredibly common. The few successful solo pilots started off in fleets and only went solo once they were highly experienced fleet pilots and FC's. However, it is mostly seen by high sec dwellers as a short cut to PvP who are then shocked at their failure. We all love kil2's videos, but he didn't go from miner during the week to solo god on the weekends....he put in the time flying in fleets and working his way to that level of PvP skill that he could do all the fleet roles himself. Scouting, hunting, tackle, ewar, DPS, etc.... Short answer- if you're not ready to FC at least a small gang, you are nowhere near ready to solo on anything but a lucky gank. Real PvP is more than the fight, it is a million other things that mining won't teach you.
2) they have no reason to go there. ---PvP has scope in Eve. That big war in Fountain? It isn't just to collect KM's. There was no war until there was a reason for it- the R64 rebalance. Test's failure-cascade was just a convenient excuse to actually take the sov. Fountain didn't fall to generate KM's. What are YOU going to low or null for? If the answer is nothing more than KM's, go back to dueling in trade hubs and pretending to PvP. Because that's not what PvP'ers are out there doing. At best you're an easy gank for people that live there and PvP all the time. Even if you manage to gank someone, what have you won? Probably the ire of a null sec alliance with more than enough resources to find and crush you where ever you live.
3) they can't 'lose' ---Everyone dies in PvP. Ships mean nothing. Pods mean nothing. Kill mails are only useful for comedy in fleet chat while sitting on a titan. This is the reality of PvP, but is not what high sec bears have in their heads. They go unprepared into space occupied by people who live there and dedicate all their time to PvP, and when they lose they lament their dead ship like it was a family member. I lose ships all the time....don't' care as long as I did my job. Having something more than KM's to die for means I accept 'losing' my ships. I also have an entire hangar full of the things, not just one I can't stand losing to the point I would post on the forums at it's singular loss.
We want you to leave high sec. It's a big universe and it'd be more fun with more people. Just don't 'dabble' at it, mining all week and cruising our neighborhood like a pedo looking to tempt young Rifterlings with promises of candy and autocannon upgrades.
Train up to fly Dictors and I promise you no shortage of null corps happy to have you. From there go mine in null to your heart's content, build stuff, make BPC's...carebear like a boss..no one will ask more of you than to fleet up and die gloriously once in awhile. It's really just that simple, folks. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
695
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:48:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:No one is saying that everything should be easy solo. Nor saying that everything should be possible solo. The natural law of multiplication of numbers is fine. 10 people should wtfpawn me.
The issue is a total lack of reasonable mechanics to refit, dock, reship, rearm that exists within 25 jumps simply because there are no stations available. With no stations available I have zero options with one account. I'm up to 20 kills now, I can't loot, I have one bubble I have to drop and pick up immediately when I kill someone and hope no one turns up before it unanchors because I have no replacements. Its annoying as hell, fun but annoying. Thing is? Tough luck. That's what they even take sov for, to keep people out. What you are talking about, having stations and resupply and repairs and stuff, is other parts of the game. It's not sov null. That's what sov null is for, to take your own space. It would hardly be their space if you could just dock up where ever you felt. Then it would be lowsec with TCUs. One station in each constellation would be nice. Nullers are always whining about lack of industry slots...
That's really a different problem, to be honest. What they complain about is the fact that player industry in null is nothing even close to empire industry.
Secondly, what you are describing is true of a lot of NPC nullsec. The pirate factions have stations there, you know?
Really, the problem is that your expectations aren't matching the reality of the region. What you describe does exist, just not in sov. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
232
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:52:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: That's really a different problem, to be honest. What they complain about is the fact that player industry in null is nothing even close to empire industry.
Secondly, what you are describing is true of a lot of NPC nullsec. The pirate factions have stations there, you know?
Really, the problem is that your expectations aren't matching the reality of the region. What you describe does exist, just not in sov.
And that really is the problem right there. It doesn't exist in Sov space. Therefore very few people looking to hunt deep in Sov exist. Its too annoying to be worth it. The result, pockets of extremely safe space that are is the richest space in EvE in terms of carebearing.
You know how many pods I have locked in my Proteus after blowing up their ships... too many. They don't even have basic PvP skills to save their pods. Because they almost never have to worry about other players. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2551
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:58:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
The issue is a total lack of reasonable mechanics to refit, dock, reship, rearm that exists within 25 jumps simply because there are no stations available. With no stations available I have zero options with one account.
See, there it is again, this feeling that you are entitled to go somewhere with no support, no friends, no alts and succeed. No, you should not be able to refit, dock, reship or rearm in someone elses space unless you bring and a alt or friend with a ship that will allow you to do that.
you wanting to "solo" sov null is no different form me wanting to solo a C6.
You could, however, help sustain yourself with one account though it would be a bit tedius. Train your main and an alt on your 1 account to use a tech1 armor logi and hull rep. Fly that tech1 logi alt somewhere, log him off, log on your main, fly him there, party down and kill stuff.
if you take damage, log in your logi alt, get out of the logi ship, log off, log on you main and proteus, rep your pro, log off pro and main, log in logi alt and board your logi and log him off.
if anything, the ONLY thing CCP should do is make switching characters on a single account easier.
Quote: I'm up to 20 kills now, I can't loot, I have one bubble I have to drop and pick up immediately when I kill someone and hope no one turns up before it unanchors because I have no replacements. Its annoying as hell, fun but annoying.
As I've said before, this is you confusing self imposed limitations with "problems" with the game. 1 friend in a logi ship or carrier would solve all of your issues. But that's not good enough, you have to have it all your way.
Sorry, this is EVE, not burger king.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
695
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:03:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: That's really a different problem, to be honest. What they complain about is the fact that player industry in null is nothing even close to empire industry.
Secondly, what you are describing is true of a lot of NPC nullsec. The pirate factions have stations there, you know?
Really, the problem is that your expectations aren't matching the reality of the region. What you describe does exist, just not in sov.
And that really is the problem right there. It doesn't exist in SoV space. Therefore very few people looking to hunt deep in Sov exist. Its too annoy. The result, pockets of extremely safe space that are is the richest space in EvE in terms of carebearing. You know how many pods I have locked in my Proteus after blowing up their ships... too many. They don't even have basic PvP skills to save their pods. Because they almost never have to worry about other players.
It's not safe space, or you wouldn't be getting kills. (and, with there being no stations, their pods have to warp to a bookmark, not just left click their overview and mash the warp key. And everyone in eve knows it's a pain to navigate the drop down menus sometimes. It's cost me my fair share of deaths, accidentally hovering over the wrong menu)
The problem is that Sov has several attributes. First, it is hard. Harder than highsec in any case(especially the logistics of living there). Secondly, it requires teamwork (lots of it).
A lot of people dislike those two things. You yourself have said you don't want the trouble of bringing in other people.
Sov is for the people who like both of those things, are willing to do it, and have the means to do it.
Sov is not for anyone else.
The same statement can be made about plenty of other places in the game. Wormholes are not for people who won't use D-scan. Those people get the floor mopped with them by the people who are doing it right. Markets are not for people who won't use spreadsheets or do the math for it, they get undercut or their market bought out from under them by the people who are doing it right.
The game is full of things like this.
But if you are telling me that the sov players aren't really able to defend themselves, I say so what? That applies to most of the game, firstly, and secondly, that just makes it easier for you to kill them.
But if it were the case where you could dock up as you please, rearm and refit whenever you liked, and have all (or honestly, any) of the same advantages the people who actually own that space have? No one would PvE there, sov would be trivial for it. It almost is anyway, because highsec is so attractive in comparison if your goal is money. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2551
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:03:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: That's really a different problem, to be honest. What they complain about is the fact that player industry in null is nothing even close to empire industry.
Secondly, what you are describing is true of a lot of NPC nullsec. The pirate factions have stations there, you know?
Really, the problem is that your expectations aren't matching the reality of the region. What you describe does exist, just not in sov.
And that really is the problem right there. It doesn't exist in Sov space. Therefore very few people looking to hunt deep in Sov exist. Its too annoying to be worth it. The result, pockets of extremely safe space that are is the richest space in EvE in terms of carebearing.
If you were really concerned with stopping people from making ridicules isk in safety, you'd be attacking incursion folks in 5 bil isk Machariels and Vindicators (which don't even enter the incursion sites without a WING of logistics ships) that are making 180 mil an hour per pilot in high sec HQs while being protected by concord , not trying to shoot 100 million isk Oracles in null sec.
But there goes another one of your misconceptions showing, and those misconceptions fuel your actions, and thus frustrations.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3949
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:15:00 -
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5bil isk shint ships in highsec are just amazing.
I mean one of those could get you two ratting carriers. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2551
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:32:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:5bil isk shint ships in highsec are just amazing.
I mean one of those could get you two ratting carriers.
My ratting Sentry Thanatos cost less than 1.5 bil. I could buy 3 of those for the cost of this one shiny incursion boat..
But noes, those ratting Oracles and Nags and Ravens raking in that whopping 60 to 80 mil an hour ratting, THAT has to stop lol.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3247
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:48:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Its like AFK sov systems for some... While we are there some feel they cannot show us how daring, courageous and truly impressive it is to live in Null Sec. So, are you a cyno alt for PL, NCdot or perhaps BL? 401k might be a possibility but they're running away from BL or so I understand they're invading lowsec elsewhere from where they are now.
You know not of what you write.
Quote: Thing is? Tough luck. That's what they even take sov for, to keep people out. What you are talking about, having stations and resupply and repairs and stuff, is other parts of the game. It's not sov null. That's what sov null is for, to take your own space. It would hardly be their space if you could just dock up where ever you felt. Then it would be lowsec with TCUs.
They made SOV to keep people out? Tell the people holding SOV that the mechanic is broken. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
606
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:55:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:5bil isk shint ships in highsec are just amazing.
I mean one of those could get you two ratting carriers. My old ratting Sentry Thanatos I used to fly costs less than 1.5 bil. I could buy 3 of those for the cost of this one shiny incursion boat.. And i'd need those 3 to make more than that one Mach can doing HQs lol (best I'be made triple boxing carriers was 220-230 mil an hour...in null sec...risking cap ships....when i could have used one toon in one ship as part of in incursion shiny fleet and made just 40 mil per hour less......). But noes, those ratting Oracles and Nags and Ravens raking in that whopping 60 to 80 mil an hour ratting in null, THAT has to stop lol.
I just estimated my ship.
638.64 million ISK estimated sell value in Jita 597.30 million ISK estimated buy value in Jita
****. I can't even replace it. I need to go re-learn how to not fly what I can't afford to lose. Might check that null sec a bit more while flying ship I can afford to lose... |
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
64
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:35:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:You say "afk" cloaker likes it's a bad thing.... wtf? AFK cloakers are important. Especially when they transform into an At They Keyboard Covert Cyno. That's the best part. Just don't feed them after midnight. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
233
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:48:00 -
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Well my 0.0 solo experiment is over. Hot dropped :) |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2552
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:54:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Well my 0.0 solo experiment is over. Hot dropped :) So I'm looking at the KM and trying to figure out what is was you were trying to kill (the loki?), or did what you were trying to kill get away and not shoot at you?
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
234
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:58:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Well my 0.0 solo experiment is over. Hot dropped :) So I'm looking at the KM and trying to figure out what is was you were trying to kill (the loki?), or did what you were trying to kill get away and not shoot at you? I popped a bait cyno ship before they dropped in on me. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4239
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:07:00 -
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Yaturi wrote:Quote:so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit. So I assume you mean bubbles. Heres 4 words of advice for you. DScan Safespots Celestials Limbo 78 Jumps is too much, Im sure you could have red rovered it through some.
It's not so sure. I have roamed sov null sec for 88 jumps and the only guy I found fleed like a wussie despite my ship was just a BC.
Only "reliable" way to get action is to go NPC null sec (besides low sec). Which for a full dedicated PvP game imo is quite poor, expecially if you are a person who can't establish a nice setup involving 2-3 hours game time, alt for scouting / RR / refilling etc.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
234
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:09:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Yaturi wrote:Quote:so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit. So I assume you mean bubbles. Heres 4 words of advice for you. DScan Safespots Celestials Limbo 78 Jumps is too much, Im sure you could have red rovered it through some. It's not so sure. I have roamed sov null sec for 88 jumps and the only guy I found fleed like a wussie despite my ship was just a BC. Only "reliable" way to get action is to go NPC null sec (besides low sec). Which for a full dedicated PvP game imo is quite poor, expecially if you are a person who can't establish a nice setup involving 2-3 hours game time, alt for scouting / RR / refilling etc. Yup, this is true. Only way to get kills in the system I was in was to afk till they were forced to come out and rat. Either that or fight a bunch of them at once.
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Predobear
Dominion of Inter-Celestial Kings Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:49:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Well my 0.0 solo experiment is over. Hot dropped :) So I'm looking at the KM and trying to figure out what is was you were trying to kill (the loki?), or did what you were trying to kill get away and not shoot at you? I popped a bait cyno ship before they dropped in on me.
Your welcome for dropping the bait cyno. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
234
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:52:00 -
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Predobear wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Well my 0.0 solo experiment is over. Hot dropped :) So I'm looking at the KM and trying to figure out what is was you were trying to kill (the loki?), or did what you were trying to kill get away and not shoot at you? I popped a bait cyno ship before they dropped in on me. Your welcome for dropping the bait cyno. :)
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hanabal drake
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
1
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:57:00 -
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im just going to say this proteus is armour you have an augmented plating subsystem for **** sake that is the worst t3 fit ive ever seen its worse than cancer |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
234
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:00:00 -
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hanabal drake wrote:im just going to say this proteus is armour you have an augmented plating subsystem for **** sake that is the worst t3 fit ive ever seen its worse than cancer It managed to kill 21 of your alliance solo before it got killed. Did its job. Proofs in the kill mails. And it took you dropping 18 ships on it to do the job... |
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hanabal drake
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
1
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:04:00 -
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just cause it managed to kill stuff solo dosent make it a good fit you had to run from a friggin oracle for god sake |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
234
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:05:00 -
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hanabal drake wrote:just cause it managed to kill stuff solo dosent make it a good fit you had to run from a friggin oracle for god sake I'm not going to smack talk on forums with you. If you don't like my fit that's your problem. Deal :) Thanks
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Alexandra Payne
Dominion of Inter-Celestial Kings Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:07:00 -
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Infinity if you really slowboated out from HighSec and had a "Ghetto Station" with you I tip my hat. That is awesome.
I was looking for you for ages :)
Good work. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
234
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:09:00 -
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Alexandra Payne wrote: Infinity if you really slowboated out from HighSec and had a "Ghetto Station" with you I tip my hat. That is awesome.
I was looking for you for ages :)
Good work.
Thanks :) Was fun |
Duchess Anne
Agora Solutions
0
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:13:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:hanabal drake wrote:im just going to say this proteus is armour you have an augmented plating subsystem for **** sake that is the worst t3 fit ive ever seen its worse than cancer It managed to kill 21 of your alliance solo before it got killed. Did its job. Proofs in the kill mails. And it took you dropping 18 ships on it to do the job...
You could have done better in a bomber and you don't get kudos as a pvper in null sec for popping what actually is 16 ratting fit ships in your bought toon. You're proteus fit is btw is insanely bad. I'm sure you'd be invited back for more. I added up your ship + pod loss and the kills do NOT pay for what you lost.
You got boned hard dude. Just sayin'.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19011270 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19010603 |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
234
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:24:00 -
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Duchess Anne wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:hanabal drake wrote:im just going to say this proteus is armour you have an augmented plating subsystem for **** sake that is the worst t3 fit ive ever seen its worse than cancer It managed to kill 21 of your alliance solo before it got killed. Did its job. Proofs in the kill mails. And it took you dropping 18 ships on it to do the job... You could have done better in a bomber and you don't get kudos as a pvper in null sec for popping what actually is 16 ratting fit ships in your bought toon. You're proteus fit is btw is insanely bad. I'm sure you'd be invited back for more. I added up your ship + pod loss and the kills do NOT pay for what you lost. You got boned hard dude. Just sayin'. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19011270http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19010603 You're making your alliance look bad. You killed me, I congratulate you on that.
I lost around 500 mill which I intended to lose. I killed around 700 million worth of your ships and shut down your system for over a week. I deliberately took my pod to station and ask your two alliance guys to pod me back to empire so the pod was my choice not your win.
I don't fly what I don't intend to lose. I had a fun time which more than makes up for a little 500 mill loss.
My Proteus fit did exactly what I intended it to do, it allowed me to kill your ships. You don't know how to solo, I have soloed since I started EvE. An armor fit Proteus with a 13 sec align time, slow speed and buffer which I couldn't repair was not an option for what I was doing.
You fit your ship for the job its intended to do, not to some predefined scheme which won't be as effective.
Have a nice day.
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juicy lips
ark industry plc Tribal Band
1
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:28:00 -
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Man, you were not solo. You had an alt in a falcon which you swapped later for crane as eyes and with supplies.
Killing ratting ships is ok, but killing pods and salvagers in T3 is not. And don't be surprised that so many on the kill - this is what happens if you annoy many people in system :)
Respect for going that far from NPC space, but it would have been harder were we not deployed to Fountain... |
Duchess Anne
Agora Solutions
0
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:30:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Duchess Anne wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:hanabal drake wrote:im just going to say this proteus is armour you have an augmented plating subsystem for **** sake that is the worst t3 fit ive ever seen its worse than cancer It managed to kill 21 of your alliance solo before it got killed. Did its job. Proofs in the kill mails. And it took you dropping 18 ships on it to do the job... You could have done better in a bomber and you don't get kudos as a pvper in null sec for popping what actually is 16 ratting fit ships in your bought toon. You're proteus fit is btw is insanely bad. I'm sure you'd be invited back for more. I added up your ship + pod loss and the kills do NOT pay for what you lost. You got boned hard dude. Just sayin'. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19011270http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19010603 You're making your alliance look bad. You killed me, I congratulate you on that. I lost around 500 mill which I intended to lose. I killed around 700 million worth of your ships and shut down your system for over a week. I deliberately took my pod to station and ask your two alliance guys to pod me back to empire so the pod was my choice not your win. I don't fly what I don't intend to lose. I had a fun time which more than makes up for a little 500 mill loss. My Proteus fit did exactly what I intended it to do, it allowed me to kill your ships. You don't know how to solo, I have soloed since I started EvE. An armor fit Proteus with a 13 sec align time, slow speed and buffer which I couldn't repair was not an option for what I was doing. You fit your ship for the job its intended to do, not to some predefined scheme which won't be as effective. Have a nice day.
I got no dog in this fight pal - just calling it like I see it. You wanna play pvp poser that's your problem. Cheers bro! |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
234
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:35:00 -
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juicy lips wrote:Man, you were not solo. You had an alt in a falcon which you swapped later for crane as eyes and with supplies.
Killing ratting ships is ok, but killing pods and salvagers in T3 is not. And don't be surprised that so many on the kill - this is what happens if you annoy many people in system :)
Respect for going that far from NPC space, but it would have been harder were we not deployed to Fountain... Since when are pods and salvagers not fair game? Dopa was in a falcon for the first day, then he went back and got a crane to supply me with cap boosters and ammo. He never engaged anything or was ever in the same system with me in his Falcon lol.
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Connor O'Keer
Lucid Dreamers Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:55:00 -
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o7 Infinity. Let me know when you want to go Oracle vs Proteus round 2 |
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