I agree ccp should sprinkle npc stations all over null sec so all us high sec bears can dock any where in null also.
ccp wants more people in null put your money where your mouth is.

I don't want to fight NPC null peeps, I want to murder Sov null bears who think they should be allowed to carebear in complete safety. We should be encouraged to fight in true null not discouraged.

Show me a Cov Loki that will give me 711 dps and A 1500 burst tank and I might.

Not posting on my main, and loving it. Because free speech.

The fact that risk-averse farmer corps have gone to null sov is testament to the fact that the actual risk is very low. I don't think that should be the purpose of null, that's all.

Do I think you got on here to further your own agenda or do I think you got on here out of the kindness of your heart to help the OP and others be all they can be in EVE Online? What I think is pretty obvious. What do you think?

You are correct if you want to play semantics. For the purposes of this discussion I figured a risk that can be entirely mitigated by the simple expedient of watching local is no longer a risk.

Hi - hi sec bear here...

Why don't I go to null - because I can't make ISK selling stuff to null sec care-bears.

I can't dock in their stations, don't want to join them because 3am CTA is not going to be a part of my life - don't want to rat cos I'm an industrialist - can't mine the moons and need to make isk because I'm been ganked all the time. (Don't mind that at all either)

Risk adverse - nah - I have no problem about risk, but ISK losing - THAT I'm adverse to

It's still greater than the risk incurred when carebearing in highsec. Someone can wardec you (mitigated by playing in an NPC corp), or someone can bait you (mitigated by not being stupid) or someone can suicide gank you (mitigated by not being stupid).


In highsec can you go afk on a busy gate for hours without getting killed? Yes.
In nullsec, can you do this? Usually no, you can't.

Again, the risk is objectively higher, and just because you can take steps to avoid or mitigate it (an option you should always have) doesn't mean it isn't there.

Based on what I am seeing during incursions into nullsec, there are NPC stations out there.

Use your agent finder and you will see that there are such stations, as it will show you where every agent of a given faction is. Make sure you don't filter out "not available to you". Also, check some of the pirate factions too.

that's funny I've been to the drone regions and there's no npc stations there just in npc null.
i'm talking about putting npc stations all through null that anyone can use.

Tell me whats wrong with that Im curious. It melted the oracle and if I had remembered to turn off auto on SB I wouldn't have gone anywhere near scratching my armor. Solo PvP you need to improvise fits to survive.

It is bad because of role overlap. Other ships which don't cost 600m-1b each and drain SP when lost can do facemelting up-close DPS with a heavy burst tank that is the same, if not better. I'm thinking of the dual large-ASB Cyclone or dual XL-ASB Claymore. Stabberbond, Vagabond, Blohk, Vexor, and to some extent the Myrmidon can all perform the role you were going for on the Proteus.

The Proteus has a role of it's own, and that is having a cruiser sized sig, colossal armor EHP, and putting out high DPS on top of that; It isn't hard to go over 400k EHP in a Proteus. Your standard non-cloaky aHAC Proteus fit runs around 200-260k EHP w/ 700+ DPS depending on skills.


EDIT:
[Proteus, Tengu Hunter Doctrine - Cloaky Recon Proteus]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration

and half the EHP.

WAT?

No. It has 200k+ EHP omni in armor buffer. No need to cycle a damn thing either, it's just there. It still has over 180k firing into its lowest resist.

Yup I misread it. You're right. It has better EHP, 1.4 times more. Useful for when I attack someone in a system with it, while 15 other mates are in local cause with the reduced dps, speed and agility, when they tackle me I can last a few seconds longer.

Those ships you mentioned are not covert ops. Mine is.

The fit you linked has 200 less dps, almost double align time, 500 less speed and half the EHP.

Useful for when I attack someone in a system with it, while 15 other mates are in local cause with the reduced dps, speed and agility, when they tackle me I can last a few seconds longer.

The DPS and maneuverability drop that comes with it would be expected from an armor ship. My armor fit also has webs, so if you were going to engage it using your Proteus fit your MWD speed advantage would be nullified. If my disruptor is swapped for a scram, you are effectively immobile. In a 1v1 fight pilot skill would be the determining factor between your fit and mine.

On another note, you risk being instapopped if something goes wrong. 3 1400mm Tornadoes should be able to blap that set EHP. The armor fit requires 20 Tornadoes to be instapopped. It is situational for both.

The armor fit he posted is also less dps on paper, yes.

But it has a web. You will apply about as much of his fit, as you would with your higher dps with no web.

Possibly more. It might have less paper dps, but against anything smaller than a Battleship (like an Oracle) his fit will perform better just through having better damage application.

I've found blasters and rockets both really need a web to hit effectively.

You know? We should all hop on that thread you have posted in Ships and Modules.

More appropriate to the topic to be over there.

I'll post an active armor fit I've seen used for you over there. I think it does need a PG implant to fit, but it's been a while since I rifled through my T3 fits.

I'll also see about putting up a Loki for you to look at too. You did say you were mostly shield skills, right?

Yeah Whitehounds fit seems superior to mine in that thread. Be happy to see your fit. If theres a better fit Ill use it. I usually only use Gallante blaster ships specifically Prot though I can fly Loki. Very rarely use shield fits at all tbh but experimenting with Prot fits this shield one seemed to be best agi dps tank combo for wacking nullbears in hub systems before friends arrive ~ 60 sec to 2 mins.

Nah, the Proteus has enough abundance of lowslots to go armor and still fit three mag stabs easily.

Now, I must ask, do you have the budget to faction pimp this thing? Because I swear by the Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler. (3 scram strength, invaluable for catching semi wary people who fit a stab)