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Yvonne Pyros
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Posted - 2005.12.17 04:16:00 -
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The new ship building regime seems to be designed to make all t2 ships like hens teeth
Specifically the new absolute choke point on building them, lack of RAM
If you build t2 items, you are currently discovering that all the RAM you hoarded is being eaten by the factories at a prodigeous rate
The week before the patch i built approx 18 HACS, 70 Ass. Frigs, and 70+ Interceptors
This week i'll build the Hacs and interceptors, next week it will be interceptors only ....
Why? - because about then i'll be down to 6 items of RAM
If i was to try to build the ships i did before the patch, i'd need to burn 600 units of RAM per week
"Not a problem" you say "buy some more"
"Love to," say I, "where from .... ?"
The announcement that agents will start dropping them again will mean they will start to trickle through, but there are a whole load of other ship builders equally desperate. So either there will be so many dropping that the agent runners petition for an alternate bonus, or t2 production will grind to a halt
Having got the agent tap turned on, we still need to get all those tools to the right place, and they arent like components, oh no, those suckas take up 100 times the space of a component ...
While i quite like building ships, i dont play this game to spend the entirety of my time in a freighter shifting RAM about (that is, the time i'm not spending trying to get tiny orders through the factories ...)
Solutions
RAM Consumption retuned to pre-patch model
RAM bpos for sale
RAM sold by npc corps
So in conclusion, if you people like flying t2 ships in combat, get used to being back in interceptors ...
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SoldierOfFortune
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Posted - 2005.12.17 04:21:00 -
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RAM are going to be droped in mission loot again now, you will be seeing ALOT of them soon, missioing was i think the only sourse of them at first, but i cant remmber heeh :)
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Harum Skarum
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Posted - 2005.12.17 04:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Yvonne Pyros
If i was to try to build the ships i did before the patch, i'd need to burn 600 units of RAM per week
"Not a problem" you say "buy some more"
"Love to," say I, "where from .... ?"
They dropped pre RMR and maybe people would have bothered to pick them up if the prices werent ridiculous low.
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MWEI
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Posted - 2005.12.17 05:11:00 -
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Theres always a piece of RAM in "pleasure hub" on the last level of Silence the Informant lv3, although Im not sure if 1 unit is anywhere near enough.
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Yvonne Pyros
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:11:00 -
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\o/
one unit found, please could you do the mission 599 more times for me ....
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ChefAce
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:15:00 -
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Just great, so now the price of the already overpriced T2 ships is going to skyrocket even further.
Beautiful, just beautiful.
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:15:00 -
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I'm going to keep building 25 HACs per week, no supply problems whatsoever 
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Alexi Borizkova
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:30:00 -
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Hmm, maybe we will see more distribution of t2 bpcs... unless the R.Db situation is just as bad...
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:42:00 -
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You will have to wait a couple of weeks before the "agent tap" is turned fully on. Right now people are slowly feeling their way through the NPC changes, and finding that they will get their arses kicked unless they adapt. BC in an L3 is no use if you're target-jammed, for example. Plus a lot of agent runners are sitting back and letting the brave/rich ones lose their ships while generating walk-throughs.
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Captain Havoc
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:23:00 -
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Hmm Ferox - missile launchers - FOF, jamming? who cares...
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Mace Blackhammer
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Havoc
Hmm Ferox - missile launchers - FOF, jamming? who cares...
The fofs will agro all the groups.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:33:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 18/12/2005 05:33:59
Originally by: Captain Havoc
Hmm Ferox - missile launchers - FOF, jamming? who cares...
*Stands back and watches every deadspace spawn go aggro*
  
Damn. That must have hurt.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Captain Havoc
Hmm Ferox - missile launchers - FOF, jamming? who cares...
*Stands back and watches every deadspace spawn go aggro*
Damn. That must have hurt.
Listen to the man, he has experienced it before.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.18 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Kineli
I'm going to keep building 25 HACs per week, no supply problems whatsoever
Okay, share your sources then.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2005.12.18 06:50:00 -
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Keep running "Silence the informant" it has always dropped RAM.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.18 06:55:00 -
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That assumes Yvonne has a lot of mission runners in-corp. Which is untrue.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Infamacious
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Infamacious on 18/12/2005 07:04:37
Originally by: Yvonne Pyros
Edited by: Yvonne Pyros on 18/12/2005 04:09:39
Why? - because about then i'll be down to 6 items of RAM
If i was to try to build the ships i did before the patch, i'd need to burn 600 units of RAM per week
"Not a problem" you say "buy some more"
"Love to," say I, "where from .... ?"
Well maybe I am just crazy and I didnt see anyone mention it, but why don't you just REPAIR your ram??? That's what I do when I build T2 stuff, unless CCP has changed it with the last patch...
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zoumao
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: zoumao on 18/12/2005 07:10:03
Edited by: zoumao on 18/12/2005 07:08:06
Originally by: ChefAce
Just great, so now the price of the already overpriced T2 ships is going to skyrocket even further.
Beautiful, just beautiful.
Keep in mind that the actual production costs of hacs are around 40 mil, I even heard figures of 30 mil. Price is not dictated by the supply of ram or any other stuff atm.
edit: talking all about hac bpo's unless stated otherwise. I do know some tech II bpo's are just crap for profit.
Basicly having a tech II bpo is like winning the lottery, making around 25 times a week a profit between 30-80 mil. Count it up urself, but with 80 mil a piece profit it turns out to something like 2 billion a week profit.
Only thing that will raise the price is more demand or less bpo's (imagine an owner quitting eve for a few months or longer), lowered price, u would need more bpo's or less demand.
That's kinda CCP's job I guess. Did read some things about CCP auctioning tech II BPO's next to the lottery. Or just dump more of them in the lottery.
Anyway I'm running a bit low on Zealots.. so hope to find another kind builder that would sell them to me for 48 mil a piece like the last one did like 6 months ago.
Oh I forget to mention one thing.. tech II battlecruisers, they will be the new hac killers. Or to say better will take away some of the HAC demand overtime.. So expect hac prices to drop a little and skyrocketed BC II prices :)
Enjoy the new content, I kinda don't like it so far
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ChefAce
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:20:00 -
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Edited by: ChefAce on 18/12/2005 07:20:23
Originally by: zoumao
Keep in mind that the actual production costs of hacs are around 40 mil, I even heard figures of 30 mil. Price is not dictated by the supply of ram or any other stuff atm.
edit: talking all about hac bpo's unless stated otherwise. I do know some tech II bpo's are just crap for profit.
Basicly having a tech II bpo is like winning the lottery, making around 25 times a week a profit between 30-80 mil. Count it up urself, but with 80 mil a piece profit it turns out to something like 2 billion a week profit.
Only thing that will raise the price is more demand or less bpo's (imagine an owner quitting eve for a few months or longer), lowered price, u would need more bpo's or less demand.
That's kinda CCP's job I guess. Did read some things about CCP auctioning tech II BPO's next to the lottery. Or just dump more of them in the lottery.
Anyway I'm running a bit low on Zealots.. so hope to find another kind builder that would sell them to me for 48 mil a piece like the last one did like 6 months ago.
Oh I forget to mention one thing.. tech II battlecruisers, they will be the new hac killers. Or to say better will take away some of the HAC demand overtime.. So expect hac prices to drop a little and skyrocketed BC II prices :)
Enjoy the new content, I kinda don't like it so far
You do have a point about supply and demand.
But here is the flipside of that scenario.
If there is a shortage of components to build these ships and the demand for them is increasing everyday then that can only lead me to believe that the prices will rise even more than they already have.
Fewer T2 ships + Less materials to build them + an ever increasing demand for them = More ISK for finished product
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Calshir
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:26:00 -
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Only if people are dumb enough to pay the prices ( of which there will always be some )
They can only charge what people are willing to pay at the end of the day.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 18/12/2005 07:31:09
Originally by: Infamacious
Edited by: Infamacious on 18/12/2005 07:04:37
Originally by: Yvonne Pyros
Edited by: Yvonne Pyros on 18/12/2005 04:09:39
Why? - because about then i'll be down to 6 items of RAM
If i was to try to build the ships i did before the patch, i'd need to burn 600 units of RAM per week
"Not a problem" you say "buy some more"
"Love to," say I, "where from .... ?"
Well maybe I am just crazy and I didnt see anyone mention it, but why don't you just REPAIR your ram??? That's what I do when I build T2 stuff, unless CCP has changed it with the last patch...
They've changed it. That's the point.
zoumao? Let's just say that the lottery is only the initial way they enter the game, there are rich people out there and some people invest.
Calshir? Okay, tell me anither way to replicate some of their capacities. You either need them, or you have to forgoe some tactical and strategic options. That isn't really viable for many T2 ships.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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zoumao
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:36:00 -
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investing sounds fait to me.. but seems like this game is getting the few rich against a lotta poor. I really would like to see some changes to the supply of tech II ships.
I don't even care if it would be twice the speed of producing or more bpo's. Twice speed would drop the prices and give the whining investors not much ground to whine..
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Tachy
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:44:00 -
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Imagine building T2 modules, like 150mm autocannon II, with this new feature.
For a weapon with a volume of 5,0m¦ you need a few minerals, morphite, a t1 gun and a 100m¦ RAM.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:49:00 -
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I may have missed something, but I know the last time I looked at this issue repairing RAM would let you use the same RAM units forever.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:55:00 -
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For the third time in this thread,
IT HAS CHANGED.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Michael Bolton
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Posted - 2005.12.18 13:29:00 -
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It works like this now : 12 RAM starship is needed for a 1-run HAC build. They will take 95% damage. Damage is calulated like this : 12*0.95= 11.4 RAM consumed. 11 of the RAM you input gets destroyed, 1 is returned with 40% damage.
Its a very badly thought out change, and the drop rates will have to be phenomenal to sustain the t2 industry. A HAC bpo alone eats 12*4,5*0,95=51.3 RAM per week. 160 HAC bpo are out there according to CCP = 160*51.3 = 8208 RAM used just to build HACS every week. Add all other ships and modules and you have a supply problem. Add to that the extra logistics needed, 100m3 per RAM is a lot.
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Yvonne Pyros
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Posted - 2005.12.19 20:20:00 -
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RAM price has tripled so far ... but very few sellers as the agents arent doing their bit ....
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.12.19 20:26:00 -
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FN Sweet. I love the way this sounds.
*Quan scurries off to speak with his once useless Lvl 4 Courier agent. hehehe
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.19 21:05:00 -
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yehaba - each level 4 Quality 20 agent that drops them drops between 50-80 R.A.M on each mission. youre source is there if im the only one using that agent then i will be selling them on market at reasonable prices - so if u whiners cant be bothered come pay aridia a visit with youre frieghters (make sure u have combat protection) and come buy some i have a bucketload to sell and dont use them myself first in best dressed
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.12.19 21:26:00 -
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It's fine and all that they're back as rewards for agent missions, sure. My one question is, where the hell does it say it in the patch notes about them being destroyed during the manufacturing process?
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.12.19 21:29:00 -
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So, in Corvus-speak:
If I kill a hauler full of RAM and all of the cargo is destroyed, I've effectively forced an entire region to starve on T2 ships?
I think this just made a scorp with lots of warp scrams/dis's a very, very powerful weapon.
"500 mil or I b0rk the regional market to hell".
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Filan
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Posted - 2005.12.19 21:34:00 -
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how does amount of system memory effect making ships?
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Chadawahee
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Posted - 2005.12.19 21:43:00 -
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the real problem is that RAM's refine so well (nocx and iso), if they would refine into 100 trit only then they would be available on the market.
ccp change the refine stats, problem solved.
if your realy desperate, set buy-orders for all ram's in all regions. the market in eve is pvp with isk
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Korak Alder
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:10:00 -
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people only refine them beacuse for the longest time people would only offer like 10k a ram while t2 hac producers pull in 80+ mill a ship. Atleast now some mission runners can gouge you back.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Korak Alder
people only refine them beacuse for the longest time people would only offer like 10k a ram while t2 hac producers pull in 80+ mill a ship. Atleast now some mission runners can gouge you back.
/offered 200 ram starship
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:25:00 -
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its a simple economic swing around supply has yet to meet demand - why are u lot whining - mission runners are contributing to this element in the t2 production chain - ccp have stated certain resources will be available from certain sources - i think that some of u have had it easy for way to long stop doing so much combat missions and pick up some courier - hauling missions get the rewards use rinse and repeat
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Yvonne Pyros
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:26:00 -
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they were refined as ;-
a)they were hideous to haul before freighters (and this is the first time they have dropped after freighters were available)
b)once you had a 1000 units, you didnt really need any more ...
if only level 20 agents drop them, the rest of us have a problem ...
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Vaar
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:29:00 -
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It would be useful to get some CCP input on this. Is this another one those unexpected/accidental bugs that will get fixed with a hotfix patch or is this intended to be permanant? Are the agent rewards going to be quadrupled? (not even sure that would be enough) Whatever the decision is I do hope the new T2 BPOs arent released until this is sorted as the current T2 market can't handle it let alone a whole load of new T2 ship BPOs. And this is coming from who has been selling his prized assets to make sure I could pick one of the new ship BPOs up.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Naal Morno on 19/12/2005 22:34:33
Most people I know are not making or are very close to shut down T2 production due TO ABSOLUTE lack of RAMs availability.
I am personally set for another 1.5weeks and afterwards (judging on virtually no buy orders filled at very decent price) production stops.
I will sit back and watch the show of overwhelming whining.
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Malarkey
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:35:00 -
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There is no problem. the RAM is out there. The ship producers just have to pay the mission runners enough to make it worthwhile to keep it and sell it.
And this is only a problem for T2 ship producers. the T2 module producers have always dealt with the consumption of RAM (and havent whined about it either)
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Embattle
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Filan
how does amount of system memory effect making ships?
Made me grin
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Malarkey
There is no problem. the RAM is out there. The ship producers just have to pay the mission runners enough to make it worthwhile to keep it and sell it.
And this is only a problem for T2 ship producers. the T2 module producers have always dealt with the consumption of RAM (and havent whined about it either)
not all mods conumed RAM, if you were smart you repaired 3% or so and then no RAM ever got used
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:42:00 -
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well judging by the whining this is looking like a very profitable area as most players wont see the market opportunity and go about their combat missions (u need to do non combat courier - mining and hauling missions) to get these RAM chips now (CCP stated in blogs and patch notes) this was a real change. Now either run more missions - come out of jita to aridia and u will see the market is having hundreds of RAM chips at reasonable prices sure u have to haul but meh im sure someone will take the cheap stuff out here haul it to jita and mark up the price.
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MachZERO
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Posted - 2005.12.19 23:04:00 -
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I've been mission grinding for 2 days now. Around 6 hours per day. I've gotten 5 rams. 
Altho after reading the post above I may need to change divisions if only hauler missions are dropping them.
IIRC I got my 5 from the odd hauler mission that intel agents hand out once in a while. I've been ripping lvl 2 and 3 missions apart in a vagabond trying to get my hand on rams, and implants.
Time to refit the Vagabond for hauling I guess...
And to make matter worse is THIS POST where Oveur says that the new T2 ship BPO seeding is scheduled for tomorrow at the latest...
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.19 23:07:00 -
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im not saying completley stop the combat missions but yes manufacturing and marketing agents are best.
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Ankh
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Posted - 2005.12.19 23:09:00 -
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I dislike the new batch dynamics as well. It's already making ship supplies more erratic, keeping manufacturers tied up in their hangars trying to juggle with stupidly small production runs to try and keep output flowing.
CCP this is deffo a retrograde step.
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2005.12.19 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Naal Morno
Edited by: Naal Morno on 19/12/2005 22:34:33
Most people I know are not making or are very close to shut down T2 production due TO ABSOLUTE lack of RAMs availability.
I dont care about that, then i fligh T1 Tech - but i dont sell RAM Units for a Apple and Egg - and yes, Agents gives them as Reward, just got another 20 Units...
Its easy - you earn a lot when you produce Hacs - so pay the agents runner for the RAM and you can produce... otherwise we just refine it or store it in our hangars.....
But i'm shure the supply of RAM will be much better in the next weeks - a lot are doing missions and a lot will get RAM as reward...
Cheers, Tresh
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2005.12.19 23:14:00 -
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I saw RAM for sale in Rens yesterday.
Just how much does a T2 ship take?
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.19 23:19:00 -
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they take a bit im abou to put more orders up :) sellers in aridia if anyone wishes to buy
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Xtra Bitter
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Posted - 2005.12.19 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
its a simple economic swing around supply has yet to meet demand - why are u lot whining - mission runners are contributing to this element in the t2 production chain - ccp have stated certain resources will be available from certain sources - i think that some of u have had it easy for way to long stop doing so much combat missions and pick up some courier - hauling missions get the rewards use rinse and repeat
NO
What you effectively saying is that nameless DEV at his whim can determine wether or not Tech 2 manufacturing can continue or not. He can also determine if the price of RAMs and tech 2 products will be crazily high or the RAMs will be crazily low depending on how they drop from agent missions. This completely goes against the idea of a player run ecomonmy while the no and type of RAM's that drop from missions are Random.
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Yvonne Pyros
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:18:00 -
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ok
i'll accept the, boring courier, mission runners have us over a barrel
i have component contracts for all my components so that i can play the game, rather than spend all day finding components
i need 600 RAM starship to maintain weekly ship production - who wants a contract(S) to supply me with RAM ?
Batches of at least 100 would be good - no sensible quote refused - delivery to Akhragan - i can sell/lend you a providence freighter if required
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
they take a bit im abou to put more orders up :) sellers in aridia if anyone wishes to buy
Arida is about as far away as you can GET in Empire from the locations of most of the sellers. Take it to the hubs, and you might find some interest.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Schiklegruber
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:46:00 -
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Is there more info on how to obtain RAM? Just non-combat missions? Any info on drop rate? What agents to use?
I've been mission-wh*ring while I build up my $ and skills for some more fun activities, but would be willing to do my part in keeping the machine oiled, even if it means risking death-trhough-boredom while playing mailman in game.
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Daddy's Princess
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:51:00 -
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Hooray for BPOs that have 35% damage per run. yay 
What bright spark came up with that number.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:55:00 -
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Sounds like there is lots of RAM, and lots of people that want RAM. The people that want it need to offer enough that the people that have it sell it to them, and then go pick it up. No problem at all with T2 production, just a problem with the idea that T2 BPO owners are losing some of their insane profits, or have to actually work to get the supplied to keep their insane profits. I really don't see a problem.
Go buy the RAM that is for sale, problem solved.
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Yvonne Pyros
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Posted - 2005.12.20 03:05:00 -
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Going to Aridia is impractical
I can build interceptors, 1 RAM needed, one at a time - so supply rate drops from 33 per week to 2 per day
Assault frigates take 4, prices on those are modest, so guess why they arent being built
HACS take 12, but as you say, demand is extreme so we can take a hit there, but once i'm below 12 RAM, its all over
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Selous
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Posted - 2005.12.20 04:02:00 -
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Start paying reasonable money and they will be available .
If u paid a silly price say 1 mill ea , ok your profit of 50-80 mill ( ? ) per hac will drop to 40 -70 mill , hardly drops u below the poverty line :-).
Ok that was written partly toungue in cheek but , I have melted loads of ram or left it out in deadspace . as far as loot collecting goes its bottom of the list , 100 m3 for 20k isk ( used to be ) , pah even the old basic modules melted for more .
I always melted or left it , then people started asking for it and prices went up so I started keeping it .I havent gone after it , just kept it , currently I have about 3-400 assorted in various places . But current prices 20-80k ea and able to carry 16 in my expanded mammoth I still have little interest in moving it.
If they become worth 1 mill ea then Im sure my interest will increase . As far as the cost of HAC`s go , I have little interest as they are too far away in skill terms .
Spreading wealth is an amazing lubricant .
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2005.12.20 04:39:00 -
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does this effect all t2 mods too
or is it just ships???
i wouldnt minds everyone flying t1 ships at all - just useing only t1 mods is a bit of a 
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Sjoor
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Posted - 2005.12.20 05:25:00 -
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will effect also other tech ii stuff. but a little less.
As example, Med armor reppie tech II takes ram armor/hull tech. 10% damage per run. so do a 9 run and rep the tech.. and still only 1 needed to keep building..
It's more work, but heck, tech II production was always to easy for the profit.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: zoumao
Edited by: zoumao on 18/12/2005 07:31:56
Originally by: ChefAce
Just great, so now the price of the already overpriced T2 ships is going to skyrocket even further.
Beautiful, just beautiful.
Keep in mind that the actual production costs of hacs are around 40 mil, I even heard figures of 30 mil. Price is not dictated by the supply of ram or any other stuff atm.
Basicly having a tech II bpo is like winning the lottery, making around 25 times a week a profit between 30-80 mil. Count it up urself, but with 80 mil a piece profit it turns out to something like 2 billion a week profit.
Only thing that will raise the price is more demand or less bpo's (imagine an owner quitting eve for a few months or longer), lowered price, u would need more bpo's or less demand.
That's kinda CCP's job I guess. Did read some things about CCP auctioning tech II BPO's next to the lottery. Or just dump more of them in the lottery.
Anyway I'm running a bit low on Zealots.. so hope to find another kind builder that would sell them to me for 48 mil a piece like the last one did like 6 months ago.
Oh I forget to mention one thing.. tech II battlecruisers, they will be the new hac killers. Or to say better will take away some of the HAC demand overtime.. So expect hac prices to drop a little and skyrocketed BC II prices :)
Enjoy the new content, I kinda don't like it so far
edit: talking all about hac bpo's unless stated otherwise. I do know some tech II bpo's are just crap for profit. (edited the edit, isn't life great)
Is the Eagle still considered a HAC? If so you're dead wrong, we can barely throw them at people built, so we end up producing BPCs of it which sell occassionally so no, HAC BPOs aren't a goldmine, unless CCP is thinking of balacing the Eagle to be worth something.
LOL .. are you kidding?
They just balanced the eagle and prices have gone up x2 ..
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Chadawahee
if your realy desperate, set buy-orders for all ram's in all regions. the market in eve is pvp with isk
EXACTLY - the solution is to adapt instead of whinging on.
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Tommy TenKreds
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Yvonne Pyros
Going to Aridia is impractical
LMAO.
Translation: I can't be bothered to hire someone to transport it for me / I don't trust anyone to transport it for me.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:52:00 -
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sufficent collateral should cover it say 500% over the value
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Michael Bolton
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:02:00 -
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Yes a repeat of the Graviton reactor situation will be lovely! Everyone will be happy! Not.
Quote:
I'm listening to Pavarotti and I'm thinking 'What the hell have I been doing with my voice all these years?! Why haven't I taken my voice as far as I can take it as an instrument?'
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Selous
Start paying reasonable money and they will be available .
If u paid a silly price say 1 mill ea , ok your profit of 50-80 mill ( ? ) per hac will drop to 40 -70 mill , hardly drops u below the poverty line :-).
When will the last monkey accept that there's other T2 ships than HACs that don't offer a 500% profit margin and take Starship RAMs, too?
Besides you'll just reap what you sow: prices will just rise by whatever the producer has to pay.
If I have to pay 1 million per RAM for example that means an additional 10 million cost for producing an Impel. Thus the price would rise from 40 to 50 million.
The point is that the producers doubt that there's enough supply of RAMs by agent runners to keep supply of *all* RAM types up at all. Which in turn means T2 prices will see an overall rise again as the supply goes down while demand goes up. T2 producers won't earn less in the process... you'll just have a hell of a hard time to lay your greasy hands on T2 products.
It's funny to see how people dig their own financial graves I'll watch this space for the whinefests of exactly the same people.
The spice...errr RAM must flow!
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
Besides you'll just reap what you sow: prices will just rise by whatever the producer has to pay.
The point is that the producers doubt that there's enough supply of RAMs by agent runners to keep supply of *all* RAM types up at all. Which in turn means T2 prices will see an overall rise again as the supply goes down while demand goes up. T2 producers won't earn less in the process... you'll just have a hell of a hard time to lay your greasy hands on T2 products.
It's funny to see how people dig their own financial graves I'll watch this space for the whinefests of exactly the same people.
The spice...errr RAM must flow!
Agent runners almost dont need tech II products. Maybe ammo...
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:07:00 -
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by agent runners in this case he means transport (non combat) missions will be the way to go so instas - warp stabs - transport ships - manufacturing - marekting - mining agents 4tw. Will make this profession quite profitabel for once
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:10:00 -
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i guess the thread poster can survive until the RAM has trickled down on his atleast 1,8bill pure profit he has made on those HAC's.
its not like im crying on your behalf.
RAM will come when it comes.
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
by agent runners in this case he means transport (non combat) missions will be the way to go so instas - warp stabs - transport ships - manufacturing - marekting - mining agents 4tw. Will make this profession quite profitabel for once
Again. Agent runners dont need tech II. They invest only once in 1-3 month depending how much they drink and drive  . Pvp will suffer badly from this.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:14:00 -
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supply will come eventually will require some combat runners over to non combat or supply will dry up. Less HACs area good thing
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tresh Keen on 20/12/2005 11:24:04
my second R.A.M. offer in two days - but if i look at the market - i only find some low bying offers.. hmm, i think RAM is not needed that much 
Cheers, Tresh
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tresh Keen
my second R.A.M. offer in two days - but if i look at the market - i only find some low bying offers.. hmm, i think RAM is not need that much
Cheers, Tresh
I have to agree with you
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gubble flob
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: MalaMo
Originally by: Tresh Keen
my second R.A.M. offer in two days - but if i look at the market - i only find some low bying offers.. hmm, i think RAM is not need that much
Cheers, Tresh
I have to agree with you
look in yulai, some nice offers there, 250k for a weapon ram?
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:48:00 -
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Define 'low'. An additional bonus of 6 million for 30 RAMs doesn't sound too bad for me. Better than what I actually gain from my T2 BPO if you consider that one ship takes 2.5 days to build and that about two per week (at max. Sometimes none at all) actually sell.
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:55:00 -
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i depends on the BPO you have and use... and not every mission gives RAM as reward .. but anyway 250k sound ok for me (but a lot of diffrent RAM does exists and not all will have a that high price), but in my region - there is no buy offer (checked last night) in that range and if you, as a producer on set up a buy order in one region, then its your fault that you pay too much or get not enough units.
And i dont fligh to yulai to sell my 30 Units - to many jumps.....
Cheers, Tresh
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:57:00 -
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Domain had plenty of buyorders at about 200k yesterday.
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
Define 'low'. An additional bonus of 6 million for 30 RAMs doesn't sound too bad for me. Better than what I actually gain from my T2 BPO if you consider that one ship takes 2.5 days to build and that about two per week (at max. Sometimes none at all) actually sell.
I couldn't resist.
LOL
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Posted - 2005.12.20 17:17:00 -
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Thanks for your comments folks, in the mean time can I direct your attention here
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