We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.

We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.

TLDR My butt hurts how can we make them stop?

We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.

IT PLACES THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN

Nah dude you missed the point. I'm saying you guys ****** up in targets. We were really excited for a fight. Then the timer rolls around, 24 hours are up, 5 of us are waiting in a gang and..... nothing. I log in today, we get a small group going, we're out in frigates and you guys have 4 BCs. We can't fight that. So, okay, you're bigger than us. What do you do with all that strength? You can't extort us, we're rookies. You have overwhelming force and nothing to do with it. All it does is make the game boring on both sides.

IT PLACES THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN

Basically the way EVE works for the most part is.. either you're certain you'll win or you don't fight at all.

That is how noobs think. There are plenty of corps that enjoy fighting against the odds and alot of the time they don't end up winning.

If you by noobs mean the vast majority of the population, then yes.. but sure there are some people that don't mind a challenge, thankfully.

We were really excited for a fight. [...] I log in today, we get a small group going, we're out in frigates and you guys have 4 BCs. We can't fight that. So, okay, you're bigger than us. What do you do with all that strength? You can't extort us, we're rookies. You have overwhelming force and nothing to do with it. All it does is make the game boring on both sides.

They're just looking for riskless, easy kills. Typical high sec war dec.

If they were actually good at PvP they would be willing to meet you on a more level playing field - flying frigates and other small ships - and win by a show of skill. Guess that shows how good they really are.

You guys have the right attitude, quite frankly. You're willing to fight, you're just not willing to commit suicide. For Eve rookies that's commendable. I wish you all the best of luck.

I remember the D3vils Children from when I lived in the verge vendor. I was very new then and bought skill books from the low sec system queletta. They hung out there allot. Hard too get those books but they were a fun group too talk too.

Back on topic though, just swarm with frigs, have a few laughs, get too know these guys. Just because they are a pirate group (at least they were when i interacted with them about a year ago) and just because they war decked you doesn't mean they are not cool dudes

Sounds like the normal modus operandi for this type of corporation. It is fairly normal to see your war targets camp a trade hub, as it gives them the ability to dock up and play station games. If you do not own any space-borne assets (POS) they can raid for profit, you can pretty much deduct they are simply in it for cheap kills on inexperienced players. It is up to you how to deal with it, but any CEO worthy of the title should have a protocol ready for war.

You could do logistics via public contracting, and move your pod using fast-aligning, hard-to-catch frigates. Or... temporarily relocate to lowsec. Many war targets will not even follow you outside of hisec. Doing so places them in a situation were other individuals (seperate from the ones they are willing to fight) can attack them. Often the threat of non-consentual PVP is ironically a good way to get them off your back.

We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.

If you're going to quote Silence of the Lambs...At least get it right...

Why Aren't you asking for war allies? Allies could cause pressure for your enemies.
Why haven't you placed bounty on your enemies? Bounty could cause pressure for your enemies.

We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.

High sec wars are like finding out the super hot girl next door only does the missionary position. Sure its still sex, but really...whats the point?

IT PLACES THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN

We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.

Welcome to EVE! When high sec wars happen between actual political opponents, things can get interesting, but when high-sec "mercs" or wardec extortionists become involved, yes - the whole thing revolves around ganking mining barges and station camping in Vindicators.

Doesn't matter. Had sex.

It's true high sec pvp is boring and dishonourable, that's why CCP are gradually removing it, in a drive to bring more fun to the game.

Yes because the game is well known for it's honorablity.

Scams - Honorable
Infiltrating Corps and destroying friendships - Honorable
Suicide ganking people with 10 plex in cargo- Honorable.
Tricking your own corp to get a 370 bil Super Carrier blown up- Honorable.

What freaking dreamland of meth are you in where the major selling points of this game is honrable? Nothing in this game is ever done with Honor. Don't be naive and even more important, Don't be stupid.

They chose you as a target because they deemed you "easy".

Its just how eve works, these high sec war corps only do it because they want easy kills, otherwise they would roam low & 0.0.

Next time be more careful, stay low on the radar & keep your head down till you can defend yourself.

Yes because the game is well known for it's honorablity.

Scams - Honorable
Infiltrating Corps and destroying friendships - Honorable
Suicide ganking people with 10 plex in cargo- Honorable.
Tricking your own corp to get a 370 bil Super Carrier blown up- Honorable.

What freaking dreamland of meth are you in where the major selling points of this game is honrable? Nothing in this game is ever done with Honor. Don't be naive and even more important, Don't be stupid.

What sort of game company wants to be known for dishonourable play

Firstly, the developers of EVE Online are known for taking a step back from in-game policing (and if they are conceived as being heavy handed with their development of the game, riots ensue), allowing natural evolution of gameplay. The players, who are infamous for their often cut-throat strategies, have a huge degree of freedom as to the kind of explorer they want to become.

...the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that...

We are looking for some fights.

Eve changes during a war dec, any "carebear" corp will have to deal with this at some point.

The best thing you can do is try to have fun with it.

If any opponent is ever "always flying [x]" then it should be a no brainer to come up with a counter to them. The great part about Eve is while someone may have 50M skill points more than you, you can probably train for a day or 2 and find a ship that can counter a "dumb" 100M+ skill point pilot.

You guys haven't even made an attempt to evade the war dec, or prevent stupid losses.

Fly in groups, move around, don't afk on undock :).

In Eve, you must adapt to your circumstances. Whining will get you nowhere.

Also on a more constructive note for the OP:

Forget about this war. Have some fun with them, get some frigs blown up. Good is.

Once the war is over:

- Get your people into Estel Arador or grind standing with NPC corp for jump clones.

- Place said jump clones in different corners of the galaxy.

- Stack up supplies (cheap disposable ships... Spice up with some nastier ships. Train towards SBs) Make sure you don't create actual offices there.

- Make sure at least one of your thus established fall back points is in/close to Null Sec or busy Low. Being inside Null/ busy Low usually levels the playing field

- Train

This is an example of a simple defense matrix that does not exploit the many ways to avoid wars...

I would even recommend finding out where the opponent is and wait for them in their station in lowsec. If you lack the firepower or the numbers to deal with somebody, then engage them in an environment where you are not the only one trying to kill them.

If you go to lowsec and kill people, you get a sec status hit, but if it's against someone you are at war with, no problem. It would be much harder for the lowsec organization to carry out their war in an environment where there are no neutrals.

Take the Brave Newbies approach. Undock in your frigs and fight, who really cares if you die. So you loose maybe 2 mil in mods, so what. What you gain in experience and also the knowledge of how they fight is far more valuable. Who knows you may just win, possibly take down one of their T2 frigs which will give you an advantage on the ISK war.

Take the Brave Newbies approach. Undock in your frigs and fight, who really cares if you die. So you loose maybe 2 mil in mods, so what. What you gain in experience and also the knowledge of how they fight is far more valuable. Who knows you may just win, possibly take down one of their T2 frigs which will give you an advantage on the ISK war.

We are Lowsec pirates . We are just helping prove the point of Eve that "NO PLACE IS SAFE!"

TLDR My butt hurts how can we make them stop?

I dont think that his butt hurts. He made a point. Hisec "wars" are nothing more than wardeccing noob and mining corps, kill-mail-whoring and sitting at station undock points. And if something goes wrong (like the wardecced corp brings fleet) those l33ters docks immediately.

Thats the state of the wars in hisec

Military tactics are like unto water; for water in its natural course runs away from high places and hastens downwards. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.