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Cpt Fina
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:45:00 -
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Calapine wrote:Teamosil wrote:Demon View wrote:
Tier 3, not Tech 3.
They really need names that start with different letters... Maybe Grade? As in Tech 1 Grade 3... Re OP: It's really hard to answer without knowing the actual tank and having a working fit. I remember seeing a Tornado Arty setup with 39k EHP being posted. If those numbers are correct CCP failed at the 'paper-thin-tank' part and instead introduced a new wave of FOTM pwn-ships. Cala
39k EHP?
Was this before or after the latest adjustments to their armour and shields? |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
271
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:49:00 -
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Calapine wrote: Re OP: It's really hard to answer without knowing the actual tank and having a working fit. I remember seeing a Tornado Arty setup with 39k EHP being posted. If those numbers are correct CCP failed at the 'paper-thin-tank' part and instead introduced a new wave of FOTM pwn-ships.
Cala
39k is a bit on the thin side of EHP for a PvP battlecruiser though. If they push it down into the 20k-30k EHP band, then you're in the cruiser range. If it was up around 60-80k EHP (which is more normal for a BC from what I recall), I think you'd have more cause to complain.
40k EHP should be about right. The question would be what an AC-fit Tornado can do for tank. |
Ragnar Skoordsen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:50:00 -
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Aessaya wrote:I think the new BCs will be somewhere around Command Ships for dps and nowhere near for tank, but maneuverable as other BCs. Should be great for small/medium wolfpacks to pick off stragglers and vanish before the main fleet reacts.
There's one thing, though, that worries me: the fate of HACs. They've already seen a lot of decrease in usage since nano nerf and Tech3 introduction, they vere hit greatly by tier 2 BC introduction as well. I'm afraid these new BCs might strike a finishing blow on this once universally feared shipclass or leave them only a niche role (think vagabonds). Yet i eagerly avait the rise of sniper bc gangs made up of tier 3 BCs :)
I only see HAC's becoming more specialized. Your example of the vagabond is perfect. Still viable in solo but excellent as a high speed tackle in fleets. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.04 21:52:00 -
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How2FoldSoup wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:If the leaked tier3 BC info is true (and I'm reading it correctly), the new BCs have 8 highs but only 4-5 turrets (and can fit BS sized weapons). I am unable to understand how a ship with only 4-5 BS sized weapons, no drones (except lights for Gallente) and (supposed) crap for tank will replace a BS with 8 BS sized weapons (6 for Dominix), BS hp and tank and drones. You are reading it wrong, each ship gets ~8 hardpoints for its racial weapon system. I too COULD be wrong too so I'd love to be corrected if I were. With the first notes using the talos as an example it could push an upwards of 1400 dps so these aren't anything to talk badly about. This of course was a glass cannon fit and before they took out drones.
At the time I posted that, what I had posted was true, and seeing as how the ships are still not finalized/on Tranquility, much more will/will not be true.
Also, as of this post, the tier3 BCs are currently available on SISI for testing. |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:27:00 -
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A boost to BS EHP sounds reasonable to me, if you're going to put same level DPS on small EHP ships. BSs are pretty rare, and some more EHP wouldn't overpower them but would help them in their role.
Alternatively, boosting local reppers would also help keep BSs from becoming obsolete. X% local repper role bonus to all Battleships (added on, not replacing whats already there) and/or neut weakness reduction. Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
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Posted - 2011.11.05 10:29:00 -
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Cpt Fina wrote:Calapine wrote:Teamosil wrote:Demon View wrote:
Tier 3, not Tech 3.
They really need names that start with different letters... Maybe Grade? As in Tech 1 Grade 3... Re OP: It's really hard to answer without knowing the actual tank and having a working fit. I remember seeing a Tornado Arty setup with 39k EHP being posted. If those numbers are correct CCP failed at the 'paper-thin-tank' part and instead introduced a new wave of FOTM pwn-ships. Cala 39k EHP? Was this before or after the latest adjustments to their armour and shields? You can get that now with a four slot tank on sisi dual invulnerable lse photon and cdfe with lunchbox
It's not going to be close to cap stable with a med though......locks ad far as a mack though |
Dirk Smacker
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.05 14:19:00 -
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Wylee Coyote wrote:If the leaked tier3 BC info is true (and I'm reading it correctly), the new BCs have 8 highs but only 4-5 turrets (and can fit BS sized weapons). I am unable to understand how a ship with only 4-5 BS sized weapons, no drones (except lights for Gallente) and (supposed) crap for tank will replace a BS with 8 BS sized weapons (6 for Dominix), BS hp and tank and drones. If this is true, I actually find it encouraging. They won't be complete alpha monsters. |
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp Flatline.
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Posted - 2011.11.05 14:33:00 -
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Dirk Smacker wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:If the leaked tier3 BC info is true (and I'm reading it correctly), the new BCs have 8 highs but only 4-5 turrets (and can fit BS sized weapons). I am unable to understand how a ship with only 4-5 BS sized weapons, no drones (except lights for Gallente) and (supposed) crap for tank will replace a BS with 8 BS sized weapons (6 for Dominix), BS hp and tank and drones. If this is true, I actually find it encouraging. They won't be complete alpha monsters.
It's not, time to get used to 8-Arty-Alpha Tornados...
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Essensia
ANZAC ACADEMY
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:23:00 -
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I read that the ORACLE does near as much dps as a Baddon...
I wonder if a cloak can be fit on it :) |
Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
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Posted - 2011.11.06 10:10:00 -
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Calapine wrote:Dirk Smacker wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:If the leaked tier3 BC info is true (and I'm reading it correctly), the new BCs have 8 highs but only 4-5 turrets (and can fit BS sized weapons). I am unable to understand how a ship with only 4-5 BS sized weapons, no drones (except lights for Gallente) and (supposed) crap for tank will replace a BS with 8 BS sized weapons (6 for Dominix), BS hp and tank and drones. If this is true, I actually find it encouraging. They won't be complete alpha monsters. It's not, time to get used to 8-Arty-Alpha Tornados...
Indeed, and a simple ACR lets 1400mm atrys fit.
Its only got four low slots though, so it won't be quite as bad as your standard alpha Mael, but they are a HELL of a lot cheaper and damn near as fast as a fleet stabber.
Damn things are going to be make low-sec interesting. Methinks you are going to need 70k eHP to make it off a gate in an gateway system for a while. 800mm Tornadoes are going to be wonderful for general messing around if you can get your opponents into a running battle its simply going to rock the house. |
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Stonecold Steve
I N E X T R E M I S Fidelas Constans
5
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Posted - 2011.11.07 13:12:00 -
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Already training up cruiser 5 skills on alts \0/ "Dat veniam corvis, vexat censura columbas"- The censor forgives the crows and harasses the doves. GÇ£Quod licet Iovi non licet boviGÇ¥- Gods may do what cattle may not. "Amat victoria curam"- Victory favours those who take pains. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:37:00 -
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Tried them on sisi
1) all of them have 8 gun/launcher slots 2) all of them have enough grid to fit full gank largest guns / launchers 3) All of them are fast (non nano are faster mine nanodrakes), one nano tornado made 1.6 kms with my skills >>> can imagine fit with speed around 1.8 (wo heat or boost!) 4) All of them are paper thin (most tanky shield Naga had about 29k ehp) they are really like cruisers with huge guns - will test armor versions and will see. 5) They are really good in kiting ganking 6) gate guns eat them fast - so lowsec piracy will be a bit more complicated with them 7) arty tornado is mean in sniping, same oracle 8) no secondary bonuses on sisi yet - or at least written (web on talos and explosion speed on naga) 9) no drones or utilty slots mean that web equiped setups will have chance against small crap - others will die (it is like flying nanopulse zealot) 10) they all can be awsome in high sec ganking 11) based on materials needed for manufacture i estimater pricetag arounf 40-45 mil. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:09:00 -
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Stonecold Steve wrote:Already training up cruiser 5 skills on alts \0/
Umm.. good for you I guess but what does that have to do with what we are talking about? |
Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:26:00 -
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How do you guys thing a ahac gang would fair against an equal tier 3 BC gang?
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egola
NSFW federation
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:47:00 -
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Satav wrote:How do you guys thing a ahac gang would fair against an equal tier 3 BC gang?
all. depends. on. setup. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2011.11.11 12:47:00 -
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Satav wrote:How do you guys thing a ahac gang would fair against an equal tier 3 BC gang?
properly tanked AHACs can ruin tier 3s days.
tried and zealot which gets in scram range of the Oracle means dead oracle.
they are also more vulnerable to tracking disruptors.
Even properly tanked harb which scrams tier 3 will ruin it.
Advantage of most tier 3s is their speed and agility >>> kite and gank.
Some of them can be fited for tanking, but still the basic ehp is very very low.
But it may change later as so far it is only on sisi.
The only diference is Talos >>> it is ship of its own class. |
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:21:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Stonecold Steve wrote:Already training up cruiser 5 skills on alts \0/ Umm.. good for you I guess but what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
I for one am happy that i have BC 5 trained. was a good idea anyway but it also means i can post here with more relavance than this dude - Nulla Curas |
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