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Roisin Connor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2011.10.26 17:30:00 - [1] - Quote Forgive me if I've missed a dev. post or similar, but shouldn't CCP consider redesigning some of the ships that most players consider butt ugly? They have had good response on their deviantart competitions (let the audience bring on the new design), and they already have redesigned the Maller. I'm first and foremost thinking of ships like the Moa/Eagle/Onyx.
Kaaeliaa Frikt Ikke 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 17:57:00 - [2] - Quote New Dominix please. Down with the space potato. I think the Brutix is hideous, too.
Katabrok First Apukaray Security 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 18:50:00 - [3] - Quote Well, while I agree on the Moa and the Dominix, i love the brutix.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors 138	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:02:00 - [4] - Quote Katabrok First wrote: Well, while I agree on the Moa and the Dominix, i love the brutix. Put the Brutix "nose to nose" with a Thorax and THEN tell me you love the look of it. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Kaaeliaa Frikt Ikke 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:03:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah that's kind of the problem with ship redesigns: aesthetics is mostly subjective. I actually really like the front end of the Brutix, but the transition to the thrusters just looks...awkward and slightly fragile for an otherwise aggressively-designed ship.
Adam Kirwen The Eleusinian Mystery Cult 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:09:00 - [6] - Quote Nope, Brutix looks fantastic. CCP's art team did a great job on it. Perfect example of form reflecting function. With its front-heavy hull, the ship looks in-your-face aggressive - it looks, essentially, like a blaster ship. It's perfect.
Roisin Connor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:10:00 - [7] - Quote Beauty is in the eye of the beholder indeed. But as I stated in my original post, they must consider doing it with the ships that least amount of players fancy. There should probably be some kind of poll. Probably in-game as forum crawlers don't represent the player base as such. I brought up Moa as an example, because I'm under the impression that no one debates whether it's an ugly ship or not, everybody seems to agree on that.
Handsome Hussein 60	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:15:00 - [8] - Quote Kaaeliaa wrote: New Dominix please. Down with the space potato. I think the Brutix is hideous, too. Brutix = really weird looking. I can't learn to love it but I can't hate it. I really like the Domi myself. Imicus and Celestis hulls needs to go. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
Max Von Sydow Droneboat Diplomacy 6	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:16:00 - [9] - Quote Don't touch my dominix mkay. You can do whatever you want with the celestis and most caldari and minmatar ships, but hands off the domi.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol 173	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:19:00 - [10] - Quote Roisin Connor wrote: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder indeed. But some beauty is definitely in the eye of far more beholders than other's, right!? The Moa is definitely EVE-¦s ugly chicken! May I mention the Bellicose too? And the Amarr cut-in-half-ships, Crucifier and Aeon? The growth on the Omen could be surgically removed too imo for a good make-over. .. to start with ...
Gellenter Pl The Final Solution Inc. Exiled Ones 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:24:00 - [11] - Quote Moa is the ugliest ship of all. Everyone agrees to that, but CCP doesn't seem to bother that.
Brynhilda Massive PVPness EntroPraetorian Aegis 60	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:39:00 - [12] - Quote I'm probably one of the few people who like the Moa... But most Gallente and Caldari ships are ugly....especially Celestis, Caracal and Raven... How may I drug you with drugs?
Kaaeliaa Frikt Ikke 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:13:00 - [13] - Quote Brynhilda wrote: I'm probably one of the few people who like the Moa... But most Gallente and Caldari ships are ugly....especially Celestis, Caracal and Raven... Yikes, totally forgot about the Caracal. It looks like a shiny metal twig. The Raven is a mess, although it's not as universally despised as some. I don't hate it, it's kinda utilitarian but not retina-charring. Here's another one: Does anyone actually like the pattern of the navy issue Gallente ships? Navy Issue Mega...great ship ruined by jungle camo. Think about it for a sec. Jungle camo. In space. lolwat.
Roisin Connor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:36:00 - [14] - Quote Brynhilda wrote: But most Gallente and Caldari ships are ugly....especially Celestis, Caracal and Raven... I pretty much agree with you here. They both have some good looking ships (the Scorpion is probably the most awesome ship in the game, a ship that's been redesigned itself), but the majority are horribly designed. But yeah, I hope this thread will keep on living, because it would be interesting to see whether we can find some general census on a few ships. I don't want CCP to start redesigning the entire fleet of New Eden, but it would be great if they revisited a couple of the ships generally accepted as the ugly ducklings.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 62	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:46:00 - [15] - Quote Meh. This is clearly too subjective to get a ton of consensus. But were it up to me, these could all use work: Raven Imicus Moa Drake Apocalypse Stabber Celestis Osprey Ashimmu But that's just me. There was a time I wouldn't hesitate to put the Dominix on that list but it's grown on me enough to forgive it. The Apocalypse is my personal least favorite hull in the game but I know it has a serious fan base.
Roisin Connor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:50:00 - [16] - Quote Funny no one mentioning the Bantam. It is probably the only ship that can "compete" with Moa in my opinion. It's probably because no one uses it.
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:51:00 - [17] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Meh. This is clearly too subjective to get a ton of consensus. But were it up to me, these could all use work: Raven Imicus Moa Drake Apocalypse Stabber Celestis Osprey Ashimmu But that's just me. There was a time I wouldn't hesitate to put the Dominix on that list but it's grown on me enough to forgive it. The Apocalypse is my personal least favorite hull in the game but I know it has a serious fan base. Strange that you'd love apoc but hate geddon. They have very similar style. There's the phon and numerous others that typically rate below the geddon.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 61	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:52:00 - [18] - Quote Kaaeliaa wrote: New Dominix please. Down with the space potato. I think the Brutix is hideous, too. If Domi looked just like the Brutix I'd fly it or at least have one in my hangar and push my drones skills.
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:56:00 - [19] - Quote It's a shame that some of the best looking hulls - Myrm, thorax, prophecy... got gimped into the ground, while everyone and their mother flies domi/raven.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 62	Posted - 2011.10.26 21:00:00 - [20] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Strange that you'd love apoc but hate geddon. They have very similar style. There's the phon and numerous others that typically rate below the geddon. Umm. Where did I say that? I hate the apoc and don't mind the geddon, in fact. The problem with the apoc is that huge gaping hull in its underbelly. Apoc looks at best like a bit of space debris. Geddon looks fascinatingly evil and clearly designed to kill. But like I said, unlikely to get much consensus on any of this....
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2011.10.26 21:16:00 - [21] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Goose99 wrote: Strange that you'd love apoc but hate geddon. They have very similar style. There's the phon and numerous others that typically rate below the geddon. Umm. Where did I say that? I hate the apoc and don't mind the geddon, in fact. The problem with the apoc is that huge gaping hull in its underbelly. Apoc looks at best like a bit of space debris. Geddon looks fascinatingly evil and clearly designed to kill. But like I said, unlikely to get much consensus on any of this.... Hmm... I fail at reading, lulz. Cases like this won't get much consensus. But hatred for moa or raven is pretty much universal.
Roisin Connor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2011.10.26 21:28:00 - [22] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: But like I said, unlikely to get much consensus on any of this.... Why do you keep nagging about "consensus"? That has never been the purpose of this thread in the first place. We don't have to agree on anything. But if people keeps posting what ships they find to be the ugliest, at least we can get an impression of the general opinion. If nothing else, maybe people find it interesting to hear what others have to say. At least I do (that's my main reason for starting this thread). If CCP is to change the design of the "ugliest ship in game", they would have to conduct some kind of poll anyway. We can't possibly solve any "problems" through consensus based decision-making in a forum thread, I'm sorry to break those news for you.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 63	Posted - 2011.10.26 21:35:00 - [23] - Quote Roisin Connor wrote: We can't possibly solve any "problems" in a forum thread, I'm sorry to break those news for you. Fixed that for you. Methinks that the constant reminders of inevitable disagreement, though, come from having been through previous_similar_threads. Edit: now that, dear new forums, is a stupid formatting rule.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol 173	Posted - 2011.10.26 21:39:00 - [24] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Ashimmu But ... the Ashimmu is on of my favourite hulls!! Someone should make a rating website similar to what they did with the avatars. Let's see what ship comes out on top .. and at the bottom.
Roisin Connor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2011.10.26 21:41:00 - [25] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Roisin Connor wrote: We can't possibly solve any "problems" in a forum thread, I'm sorry to break those news for you. Fixed that for you. Please don't troll this thread. This is a thread for exchange of viewpoints, and eventually a possibility of getting a feel for the general census on what the ugliest ships in the games are. I didn't start this thread so we could have an argument about a a completely subjective matter. If you fail to know the difference between "consensus" and "census", please reconsider your participation in this thread.
Roisin Connor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2011.10.26 21:44:00 - [26] - Quote Jennifer Starling wrote: Someone should make a rating website similar to what they did with the avatars. Let's see what ship comes out on top .. and at the bottom. That would be great. I wish CCP would do that in-game though, because that would make it more likely that a ship or two would be considered for redesigning.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 63	Posted - 2011.10.26 21:56:00 - [27] - Quote Roisin Connor wrote: Please don't troll this thread. This is a thread for exchange of viewpoints, and eventually a possibility of getting a feel for the general census on what the ugliest ships in the games are. I didn't start this thread so we could have an argument about a a completely subjective matter. Sigh. Well, that took a turn for the worse. Look, I gave you my take. I also gave a meta take on the overall utility of performing another of these surveys. But I certainly won't discourage you from doing so. By the by, the eventual answer (if past performance is any indication) will be that the Moa is the worst followed by the Raven and the Dominix with honorable mention for the Imicus if enough people remember what it looks like and especially if someone brings up the old Helios. But hey, maybe opinions have shifted in the past few months. Anything is possible. Roisin Connor wrote: If you fail to know the difference between "consensus" and "census", please reconsider your participation in this thread. If I were to substantively respond to this bit, it would be trolling. So we'll just leave it as is, shall we?
Roisin Connor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2011.10.26 22:07:00 - [28] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: If I were to substantively respond to this bit, it would be trolling. So we'll just leave it as is, shall we? Yes, let's leave that as is. Seems we have come to an agreement. I'm sorry if I have been brusque towards you, but I got the impression you thought we were going to discuss which one is the ugliest ship in game, and bring forth arguments as to why it was so and try to come to an agreement (since you kept using the word consensus). That was never my intention. Quote: By the by, the eventual answer (if past performance is any indication) will be that the Moa is the worst followed by the Raven and the Dominix with honorable mention for the Imicus if enough people remember what it looks like and especially if someone brings up the old Helios. I haven't participated so much in these threads before, but from in-game chat the Moa seem to stand out. Never heard this about the Raven before though. I can't understand it either, because this is a ship that actually resembles a bird, which makes it fitting for its name. Personally, I think it's the second best looking Caldari ship. Anyhow, thanks for the input. Hopefully we'll get more of those throughout the thread, because no single ship has been standing out as "the ugly ship" throughout my career in New Eden (since summer 2010) besides Moa.
Thelron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.10.26 22:50:00 - [29] - Quote I think the Raven gripes are less the shape and more that it has a "90's graphics" feel to a lot of parts of it... it's (IMO) nicely designed, but some bits just look like they weren't really finished. Also, one of the problems with the idea of "make this ugly ship look good" is that some of us like our ugly ships. The Moa is a good example... yes, the fact that it's amazingly butt-ugly is one of the few statements that won't set off a forum war, but (again, IMO, though I know other people who've felt the same) that's a good thing because it's an all-business ship and it's in the business of making you look even uglier than it does. (and, along the whole "subjective" lines, I'm of the opinion that they took one of the better-looking and more characterful ships in the Caldari lineup and turned it into a rediculous charicature (err, no way that's spelled right...) when they re-did the Scorpion. It has friggin' legs" even... also both the blackbird and the bantam were made extra-ugly in the last round of changes, so things don't always turn out "nicer") Basically... "no" on the redesign front... at least fundamental redesigns. Fixing older models up to keep looking cool next to the new ones I can support, but big re-works shouldn't happen unless they need* to (like "sued" or the shape is causing actual technical problems).
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 47	Posted - 2011.10.27 02:34:00 - [30] - Quote Good lord, the Moa makes the Raven look like the Mona Lisa.

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