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Kaiser Acosta
Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:17:00 -
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I don-¦t fly a supercarrier.
The only reason is, that it-¦s not possible to dock in stations with them.
Wouldn-¦t it be an idea to have specific stations, where supercarriers could dock in.
I predict that more people would fly supers.
Just an idea. |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
253
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:40:00 -
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DEATH TO ALL SUPERS THREAD! R.I.P. Vile Rat |
EdFromHumanResources
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:40:00 -
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The last thing this game needs is more supers. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:46:00 -
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Kaiser Acosta wrote:I don-¦t fly a supercarrier.
The only reason is, that it-¦s not possible to dock in stations with them.
Wouldn-¦t it be an idea to have specific stations, where supercarriers could dock in.
I predict that more people would fly supers.
Just an idea.
Id camp that for a dolla.
Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Idicious Lightbane
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2013.07.31 15:18:00 -
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What would you do with a super if you could dock in it? They have a very narrow role and the inability to dock does not hinder it. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1052
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Posted - 2013.07.31 18:34:00 -
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EdFromHumanResources wrote:The last thing this game needs is more supers on the enemy fleet than we can field.
Here fixed for you.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1052
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Posted - 2013.07.31 18:37:00 -
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Idicious Lightbane wrote:What would you do with a super if you could dock in station?
Fixed 4U
Also: the same thing I do with a carrier but profit from my skill training and have fun differently. They'd also do exactly the same thing they do now combat/logistics wise. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1445
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Posted - 2013.07.31 18:43:00 -
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Kaiser Acosta wrote:I don-¦t fly a supercarrier.
The only reason is, that it-¦s not possible to dock in stations with them.
Wouldn-¦t it be an idea to have specific stations, where supercarriers could dock in.
I predict that more people would fly supers.
Just an idea.
Yeah, by all means, everyone and their step-sister having a Titan isn't bad enough, let's taint low and NPC null with supers (what y'all do in yer own sov space is yer business)... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.31 19:28:00 -
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Nerf their EHP until it is merely twice a regular carrier, then make them dockable. |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
342
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Posted - 2013.07.31 21:00:00 -
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Ship spinning would take on a whole new level if the Nyx could be docked. |
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Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance
233
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Posted - 2013.07.31 21:46:00 -
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Kaiser Acosta wrote:I don-¦t fly a supercarrier.
The only reason is, that it-¦s not possible to dock in stations with them.
Wouldn-¦t it be an idea to have specific stations, where supercarriers could dock in.
I predict that more people would fly supers.
Just an idea.
No.
The last thing this game needs is for super carrier and titan pilots to be able to immediately reship if they get caught. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
170
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:24:00 -
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terrible idea is terrible |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1053
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:57:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:[quote=Kaiser Acosta]The last thing this game needs is for super carrier and titan pilots to be able to immediately reship if they get caught.
Topic is about supers only, not titans. Supers can't do nothing more than a regular carrier does but field bomber drones and showoff bazillions of EHP, well the stupid electronics warfare immunity needs to go away too.
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That Seems Legit
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:58:00 -
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OP must like station games. |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.08.01 08:00:00 -
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So you want to **** on undock in (Insert JF staging system) Go GCC and kill said jump freighters. Laugh at the meager dps on station while you spam dock at 5 seconds left.
While yes this could be hilarious the first 3-4 times it would just make some poor logistics ***** life more miserable.
I would love a way to not coffin accounts. At the same time it would make them multiply like mad because many people can fly one. Hell i have 6 accounts that can fly them now.
That becomes a large issue at that point. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
6862
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Posted - 2013.08.01 08:04:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Kaiser Acosta wrote:I don-¦t fly a supercarrier.
The only reason is, that it-¦s not possible to dock in stations with them.
Wouldn-¦t it be an idea to have specific stations, where supercarriers could dock in.
I predict that more people would fly supers.
Just an idea. Id camp that for a dolla.
I Love it when you camp <3 |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
76710
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Posted - 2013.08.01 08:05:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Kaiser Acosta wrote:I don-¦t fly a supercarrier.
The only reason is, that it-¦s not possible to dock in stations with them.
Wouldn-¦t it be an idea to have specific stations, where supercarriers could dock in.
I predict that more people would fly supers.
Just an idea. Id camp that for a dolla. I Love it when you camp <3
Oh Yeah Please, MOAR SHINYS
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Skurja Volpar
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.01 10:06:00 -
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You niche FiS scenesters need to keep your dirty hands off the ship spinning meta.
Go play X3 or Star citizen if undocking means so much to you. |
Angelique Duchemin
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
603
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:45:00 -
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The game doesn't really need further motivation to field supers. People are already doing it.
If they could dock then people would just start ratting in them and that would open up to a whole new level of douchbaggery.
I can only roll my eyes so much at rating capitals. We miss you Saede. In-depth guide on how to safely mine in High Sec |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
167
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:19:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:The game doesn't really need further motivation to field supers. People are already doing it.
If they could dock then people would just start ratting in them and that would open up to a whole new level of douchbaggery.
I can only roll my eyes so much at rating capitals.
Yes, but that is so many more potential supercapital losses. You know not everyone would rat aligned...
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Angelique Duchemin
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
603
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:28:00 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:The game doesn't really need further motivation to field supers. People are already doing it.
If they could dock then people would just start ratting in them and that would open up to a whole new level of douchbaggery.
I can only roll my eyes so much at rating capitals. Yes, but that is so many more potential supercapital losses. You know not everyone would rat aligned...
At some 30 million EHP you would need to drop a capital fleet on it just to take it down. Even then you have to do it before you lose the dictors and it warps to the station.
We miss you Saede. In-depth guide on how to safely mine in High Sec |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1056
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:56:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:At some 30 million EHP you would need to drop a capital fleet on it just to take it down. Even then you have to do it before you lose the dictors and it warps to the station.
And that should be exactly the trade off for being able to dock, finished the stupid 30 million EHP supers, make them get at best 5.
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Angelique Duchemin
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
603
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Posted - 2013.08.01 14:05:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:At some 30 million EHP you would need to drop a capital fleet on it just to take it down. Even then you have to do it before you lose the dictors and it warps to the station. And that should be exactly the trade off for being able to dock, finished the stupid 30 million EHP supers, make them get at best 5.
What do we have then? Just another Carrier but with bombers and the Motherships weren't created for the bombers but vice versa..
We miss you Saede. In-depth guide on how to safely mine in High Sec |
JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2013.08.01 14:07:00 -
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You guys are easily trolled... No sane man with any experience in this game would suggest what th OP is suggesting. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
761
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:47:00 -
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I have for some time felt they should add a outpost upgrade that will allow supers to dock their. It would be visible in the over view so players would know that outpost likely contained supers.
It would bring more meaning to a large alliances home base, most alliances would only put this upgrade o home base and staging stations. Such staging points and home bases could not be so easily relocated, creating more strategic value in assaulting or defending an alliances home base, rather than them simply relocating it if the war is not going well. This could be a very expensive upgrade, maybe taking multiple upgrade slots, so it would not be worthwhile for every outpost to have one.
With all the nerfs supers have seen in the last few years, it is understandable why so many super pilots are upset. Yes the ships were overpowered, and still are, but this is a ship, once you get into, you can not just jump in a different ship to go PVP. You can not dock, so either that character is basically married to that ship, or they need another holding character that can sit itn the ship to log it out, while their main goes to do something else. How would you feel if you spent years training a character, and finally got them into a super capital ship, only to have much of that ships utility removed by a nerf? Not a big deal if you could simply fly something else, but where do you park your super cap? If you can not dock it, switching to another ship becomes a burden, so much so, that the super cap becomes more of a burden than fun to fly.
Personally I believe that allowing supers to dock, not everywhere, but at select upgraded outposts, maybe put a limit on the upgrade to one per constellation, or even 1 per region. But if they could be docked, and the pilots could fly something else, I believe we would see far more supers collecting dust, than out causing fleet mayhem. They would still be available when needed for large fleet ops, but the pilots would not be stuck in them, unable to do anything else. On top of that we would have another layer of conflict. These rare stations where the supers can dock would be major assets to hold, and fight over. Having this as your alliance home base, you would not have the choice between defending your home, or relocating it, you would have to defend it, it would not be so easy to move if your alliance only controlled one such station.
If that makes me insane, than so be it. But what I do know is, I have no desire to ever get into a ship with such limited use, when I may never be able to get out of it again. So many players that constantly call for nerfs to supers seem to forget that part. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
761
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Posted - 2013.08.01 17:01:00 -
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Klymer wrote:Ship spinning would take on a whole new level if the Nyx could be docked. There was a Nyx docked in Jita before the first Burn Jita.
I know the only way supers get docked now is through ship reimbursements, but at least that tells us that the mechanics still work for supers that are docked. I expect it would not be simple code to fix though, unless it was just a able to dock+true, but that would let them dock anywhere. But I believe having a very expensive outpost upgrade that allows them to dock, with the restriction that a percentage of the region has to be held by the alliance, before it can be installed, and only one outpost per region could get the upgrade, would be a good compromise. |
Kaiser Acosta
Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels
1
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Posted - 2013.08.05 12:24:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:I have for some time felt they should add a outpost upgrade that will allow supers to dock their. It would be visible in the over view so players would know that outpost likely contained supers.
It would bring more meaning to a large alliances home base, most alliances would only put this upgrade on home base or staging outposts. Such staging points and home bases could not be so easily relocated, creating more strategic value in assaulting or defending them. This could be a very expensive upgrade, maybe taking multiple upgrade slots, so it would not be worthwhile for every outpost to have one.
With all the nerfs supers have seen in the last few years, it is understandable why so many super pilots are upset. Yes the ships were overpowered, and still are, but this is a ship, once you get into, you can not just jump in a different ship to go PVP. You can not dock, so either that character is basically married to that ship, or they need another holding character that can sit itn the ship to log it out, while their main goes to do something else. How would you feel if you spent years training a character, and finally got them into a super capital ship, only to have much of that ships utility removed by a nerf? Not a big deal if you could simply fly something else, but where do you park your super cap? If you can not dock it, switching to another ship becomes a burden, so much so, that the super cap becomes more of a burden than fun to fly.
Personally I believe that allowing supers to dock, not everywhere, but at select upgraded outposts, maybe put a limit on the upgrade to one per region. First outpost to get it becomes the most valuable outpost in the region. But if supers could be docked, and the pilots could fly something else, I believe we would see far more supers collecting dust in hangers, than out causing fleet mayhem. It is a lot easier to leave a ship sitting idle in a hanger, than leaving a character sitting idle in one of 3 slots on an account. They would still be available when needed for large fleet ops, but the pilots would not be stuck in them, unable to do anything else. On top of that we would have another layer of conflict. These rare stations where the supers can dock would be major assets to hold, and fight over. Having this as your alliance home base, you would not have the choice between defending your home, or relocating it, you would have to defend it, it would not be so easy to move if your alliance only controlled one such station.
If that makes me insane, than so be it. But what I do know is, I have no desire to ever get into a ship with such limited use, when I may never be able to get out of it again. So many players that constantly call for nerfs to supers seem to forget that part.
Exact my thoughts. Your chained to a Supercarrier / Titan when your piloting one ... Sucks. |
Gary Bell
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.08.05 14:12:00 -
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Wrong supers get docked when you leave the game. I believe if you are in space for 6 months they will dock you automatically even if it is a super.. Im not sure about titans but I know supers will get docked.. Not sure how it is determined or anything but yeah.. |
Ned Plantagenet
Dirty Old Bastards Nulli Secunda
24
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:44:00 -
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if you want a dockable super carrier. get a carrier and make it super expensive and there you go super carrier |
Kaiser Acosta
Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2013.08.06 07:37:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:Wrong supers get docked when you leave the game. I believe if you are in space for 6 months they will dock you automatically even if it is a super.. Im not sure about titans but I know supers will get docked.. Not sure how it is determined or anything but yeah..
Supercarriers are part of the class of ships known as Super Capitals and are currently the 2nd largest class of ships in EVE.
Technically, a supercarrier is a carrier class vessel which is however many time larger and much more expensive to build.
In comparison to a typical carrier, a supercarrier has the following features:
Has larger cargo, hangar and drone bays Cannot be built in, or docked in stations Deploys 3 additional Fighters, Fighter Bombers or drones per level compared to 1 Can deploy Fighter-Bombers Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare (e.g. ECM, conventional warp jammers, Stasis Webifers, etc) Can only be prevented from jump/going into warp by Interdictor Bubbles, Mobile Warp Disruptors, and focused warp disruption generators used by Heavy Interdictors Has six high slots instead of five Able to fit Remote ECM Burst I Allowed to use one warfare link per racial carrier skill level, instead of just one regardless of level.
There are 4 types of Supercarrier, 1 for each of the 4 races
Amarr - Aeon Caldari - Wyvern Gallente - Nyx Minmatar - Hel |
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