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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.30 10:48:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:ok, i keep seeing people complaining about the UI, i never have trouble with it, so to help me understand: what about it is supposedly "broken"? what do you think should be done to fix it?
cause honestly, i see alot of people complaining, but i ahvent had any issues with UI so am a little confused as to exact reasons. Have you ever setup a POS reaction farm? Reset that to a different reaction? Pulled it down?
Have you ever setup a PI farm? Reset that to a different reaction? Imported or exported anything?
It would be nice if we could see which order lines in the market were ours.
Have you tried starting 10+ invention, research, copying or manufacturing jobs in a go?
That's just what I can think of offhand, I'm sure there's tons of other places where the UI, while usable, is still not as usable as it could've been. A good UI isn't supposed to work against you, whereas EVE's UI does. |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2011.10.30 15:31:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote: Problem #1 here, Capsuleers, like military special forces, are unspokenly above the law. upon theyre indoctriniation into capsuleer ranks, they are expected to do wahtever it takes through whatever means to achieve their goals, so much so that empires can't really do much to stop them, which is why CONCORD was formed to punish them, but concord themselves ahs no say with the empires so capsuleers will continue to clone.
Ginourmous wall of text incoming...
1.) Special Ops are usually not as above the law as movies and news make them out to be. Most of the good stuff civilians never hear about anyway unless it's very important for civilians to hear or it goes horribly wrong and the deploying nation or it's intended target speak of it.
2.) If there were rogue operators running around creating trouble the way people do in EVE they would likely compromise their identities and eventually be neutralized either by capture or termination. Plenty of other operators willing to take those jobs.
EVE has no fines, no incarceration and no execution. Fines, unless excessive, won't have any effect and even if we scaled fines with security level and number of offenses i'm still not sold that they would have any significant effect. The other two obviously won't work in an MMO.
How many sovereign nations on earth would allow a bunch of freaks to constantly fly around their airspace dogfighting with live weapons? How about flying in helicopters to loot walmart at gunpoint? (Hmm may have to reconsider the walmart thing...)
Do you really think a sovereign star nation would allow the same thing in their space?
Matilda: "Oh look bob it's those frisky capsuleers again, they blew up your mom." Bob: "Was she insured?"
Not so much.
This isn't about utopia or a perfect world. Sovereign nations that can't keep their citizens mostly safe from pirates and military incursions by foreign powers won't be sovereign nations for very long.
"This is a pvp game so everyone should be forced to pvp." That's a laugh. Combat leads to PTSD, mental breakdowns and often death or dismemberment or disfigurement. Since these things don't exist in EVE and there aren't any true consequences people think they should have the right to inflict themselves upon others whenever and wherever they want, unlike real civilization where police, military and civilians would take greater exception to what they are doing and take steps to hunt them down and stop them...permanently.
Economic issues?...Pfft...anyone can do business in high, low or null sec if they so choose. Silly to even talk about this.
What all this high-sec nonsense really comes down to is:
1.) Starve them out of high-sec and into null-sec (lower mission and incursion rewards and make it less easy for players to do peaceful business in high-sec, cap POS stations etc.)
Genius. Let's force players to do things they don't want to do. Gold star to whomever thought of this.
Maybe you haven't noticed but MOST people LIKE doing peaceful business in relative safety and their money goes into the military machine that keeps them safe and HAS AN INCENTIVE to do so---control and more money to keep the military going.
Silly to have a game with sovereign star nations that won't/can't protect their tax paying citizens...Hello, McFly...
EVE isn't a bunch of gangs and pirate camps, it's a group of sovereign star nations with regular militaries and police forces. Frankly I don't think there is ENOUGH npc military response in some places. If people don't feel safe, they will likely move themselves and their money elsewhere...less taxes=less funds for the military.
2.) Drive them out of high-sec and into null-sec. (Allow easier ganking and piracy.)
More genius. Go see that part about sovereign nations. Did i mention lots of folks don't mind paying someone else to do that nasty military stuff while they peacefully make money? EVE was clearly designed to allow that to happen.
Why make peaceful economic pursuits available at all if the plan is to have the hearts of sovereign nations like a mad max movie where anytime anyone can stroll in, burn down someones house, shoot their dog and steal their car and the bad guys only loss will be the car they drove?
If you want the wild, wild west go make a wild, wild west game. Oh wait we have that in EVE: it's called null-sec.
Quit trying to turn high-sec into 24/7 WWII Britain, Mad Max, or the wild, wild west.
Matilda: "Oh look bob it's those frisky capsuleers again, they blew up your mom." Bob: "Was she insured?"
Indeed.
Your sandbox has castles in it just like it would in real life and they are there to keep you from doing the one thing you want most: 24/7 piracy wherever you feel like it to force people to pvp when they might not want to...
It's not even slightly reasonable to ask for that.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
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Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
21
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Posted - 2011.10.30 18:36:00 -
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Love it, 100% support.
But of course on the condition that every non-bot who gets ganked gains a full refund from the Goons for all losses upon submission of a petition to CCP within 10 mins of the gank. Shouldn't cost you too much as they nearly all botters and as that is your target, you'll obviously have no problems with reparations to the few who aren't.
Or I have I just fed the troll.......
How about you carry on being goons and I carry on playing to avoid your gank fleets, as long as I can find a spare roid not being mined by a bot that has moved out of gal space that is.
Now back to the pretty lights, targets roid, hits button......
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Laechyd Eldgorn
draketrain
15
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Posted - 2011.10.30 18:54:00 -
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Big Bad Mofo wrote:This is exactly why new players leave the game, instead of trying to pick on highsec carebears then perhaps CCP should make PVP more available. LIke battlegrounds, ladders etc.. More 0.0 NPC regions, etc. Seriously we need to start preserving the new players..
new player doesn't mine in hulk or mackinaw, he doesn't even know what ice is for
new player doesn't do level 4 missions, he doesn't have enough standings to get agent talk to him, and they're way too difficult for him to complete anyway.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1382
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:57:00 -
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Gheng Kondur wrote:Love it, 100% support.
But of course on the condition that every non-bot who gets ganked gains a full refund from the Goons for all losses upon submission of a petition to CCP within 10 mins of the gank. Shouldn't cost you too much as they nearly all botters and as that is your target, you'll obviously have no problems with reparations to the few who aren't.
Of course not; if CCP's methods were effective at telling who was or was not a bot we wouldn't be having nearly as much fun. Good ganking is like a CAPCHA: it is the turing test.
If you happen to be dumber than a bot, well, we've got other problems. |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.11.05 21:40:00 -
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Gheng Kondur wrote:Love it, 100% support.
But of course on the condition that every non-bot who gets ganked gains a full refund from the Goons for all losses upon submission of a petition to CCP within 10 mins of the gank. Shouldn't cost you to io much as they nearly all botters and as that is your target, you'll obviously have no problems with reparations to the few who aren't.
Or I have I just fed the troll.......
How about you carry on being goons and I carry on playing to avoid your gank fleets, as long as I can find a spare roid not being mined by a bot that has moved out of gal space that is.
Now back to the pretty lights, targets roid, hits button......
I agree with this position and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
196
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:51:00 -
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There are wonderful anti-botting systems in place. They're called "Neutron Blasters." They work best when employed on the Thorax-class Cruiser or Brutix-class Battlecruiser. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
10
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:30:00 -
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If it is all one damage type then unless it deals more damage omni tanking could be done just as effectively.
How do resists of omin tanking match up to dual damage type tanking? Or single damage tanking?
That would give a big boast to reducing the number of slots for tanking if NPCS deal only one damage type instead of two, current 'basic' system uses one large rep, and 2 of each specifics. Geting 3 of the same type of hardener may not do much help, so people may just use two.
And, even if they deal more damage, a person (correction bot) may omni tank still, and dual rep. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
170
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Posted - 2011.11.13 13:27:00 -
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Is this dude a troll or what... oh what he is a Goon. |
Jalmari Huitsikko
draketrain
0
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Posted - 2011.11.19 11:13:00 -
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Rumor says ccp is removing insurance from concord kills.
Basicly this means botting boost. Vast majority of low value suicide gank targets are botting mission runners, haulers or miners who fly in cheaply fit ships barely worth of ganking even with insurance.
For those real and dumb people flying in stupidly expensive ships or with stupidly expensive cargo this insurance change makes no difference they will be shot on sight anyhow.
So basicly what ccp is doing is not making pvp in hi sec more sensible. They want to make this game new WoW.
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Midnight DeZire
Tactical Marm1te Soldiers
3
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Posted - 2011.11.20 17:05:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:
Maybe you haven't noticed but MOST people LIKE doing peaceful business in relative safety and their money goes into the military machine that keeps them safe and HAS AN INCENTIVE to do so---control and more money to keep the military going.
Silly to have a game with sovereign star nations that won't/can't protect their tax paying citizens...Hello, McFly...
EVE isn't a bunch of gangs and pirate camps, it's a group of sovereign star nations with regular militaries and police forces. Frankly I don't think there is ENOUGH npc military response in some places. If people don't feel safe, they will likely move themselves and their money elsewhere...less taxes=less funds for the military.
I totally agree. I'm almost exclusively peaceful in Eve.
BUT, taken in the context of the OP, you seem to be attempting to justify Botting and I think you are wrong. I doubt you are, but it's a possible interpretation.
Great that we have the options to carebear, extract tears, set up empires, peacefully manufacture, whatever. But I HATE when people are too darned lazy to actually do it themselves and instead leave a bot to make the iskies for them, in whatever sec space they do it.
So, in the context of the OP, and speaking as a carebear making his first tentative steps into losec (and indeed these forums), I would be delighted to see bots given a harder time, even if that means I am at slightly greater risk of a hisec ganking by the Goons.
A positive side effect might also be a slight reduction in the risk-differential between hisec and losec. I can see no circumstances in which OP's proposal would make hisec ganking intolerably rife, but knowing that hisec isn't quite so safe might also cause more players to pluck up the courage to take a little more risk in losec on the side. Which has to be a good thing, right? |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2011.11.22 01:52:00 -
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The original post is just "We're bored in null-sec and just want it to be easier to gank carebears since they have it too easy, oh and let's use the excuse of botting to help justify it."
High-sec doesn't need to be less safe and NO player needs to be FORCED into playing a game they don't want to play. Null-sec isn't SUPPOSED to be a nice place to live and high-sec IS. Why do people keep thinking that the game will be better if we get more people into low or null-sec? Isn't it good enough now? There are thousands of active players in null-sec every day as it is!
There is SUPPOSED to be a risk/reward differential and no, greater risk does not now and never will entitle anyone to greater rewards. Besides if the rewards are guaranteed as long as one survives, as death and ship loss have no real long-term consequences, why increase them for people who choose to live in a more dangerous, less regulated, and thereby less profitable place?
Lots more people like to READ about a low or null-sec lifestyle, the scams, the battles, and the politics than actually want to LIVE it, even in a game. EVE was out about a year and a half before WOW and recently CCP was celebrating passing the 350K subscription mark. 350K? Wow, (every pun intended), let's celebrate!
I think that in the pursuit of a sandbox game and assisted by the segment of their player base that was in tune with the idea of a game where "the ways we can **** each other over are nearly limitless", CCP alienated a lot of their potential player base and walked away from millions and millions of ISK.
(Perhaps THAT is the Goons greatest "scam" evah?...)
If their idea was, "Screw the carebear majority of our potential player base. Let's cater to the minority and create a game that appeals to peoples worst impulses and gives them excessive amounts of freedom to inflict themselves on unwilling victims who are looking to be endangered but not abused", TLDR version: 'Screw the money'", then I think they indeed succeeded.
EVE is a fun game. It isn't complicated, just complex. It isn't special for having a broader pvp base, just different. No one is special or elite because they are hardcore pvpers in EVE. It's just a game for entertainment. There is zero true risk or consequences of any kind in EVE. Any player can go carebear and make it all back easily. If you want to feel elite join the military and apply for special ops.
There is nothing wrong with trying to entertain the most people you can and popularize your brand as a service provider, CCP. Why not focus more on that?
Regarding botting:
Just because someone does not want it to be easier to gank players in high-sec, it does not mean they are pro-botting. You got trolled in by the red herring, "botting". I don't mine on any of my toons anyway.
That said,
Obviously the idea of a high tech society that CAN use automated mining NOT using it to increase efficiency and reduce personnel costs is silly, but a lot of folks think it is game breaking, (unlike strangers having free reign to come into your neighborhood and beat you up and steal your stuff and the worst thing that happens to them is they have to get a ride home with the stuff they stole because the police wrecked their car), but what if EVERYONE could do it?
Why NOT legalize it? Resources automagically renew anyway. It would give folks something else to build, use, shoot at, steal and salvage. Heck, piracy and scams and suicide ganking are okay, why not give botting a green light? This IS a sandbox right? People keep parroting that when it suits their needs.
POWER TO THE BOTTERS!!! DOWN WITH NULLBEARS!!!...
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Cidwm
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:08:00 -
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Im loving how a large majority of the positive posts are from members/friends of the goonswarm... Truly does show a swarm mentality rather than individualism. As much as i would love to see Bots completely annihilated, random suicide ganking isnt going to achieve this anyt ime soon. Though Ice prices for gallente ice are still high, I have heard reports of them using botters themselves, allowing there alliance to profit immensly since there trying to achieve a monopoly on Gallante. Unless the goons start doing soemthing other than re-inforcing there bad reputation, then i don't think ill ever been convinced that there actions actually benefit EVE in regards to players who want to join this great game and stick around a bit longer and geta bit more wise to the ways of EVE before being scammed/blown up. The only other thing i really dislike about the goons are there CSM influence.
The ONLY thing i praise the Goons for however is providing some form of entertainment and content in a player driven game. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1700
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:24:00 -
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this pretty much sums up the highsec response |
grazer gin
Raving Rednecks
6
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Posted - 2011.11.23 03:23:00 -
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GOON TEARS BEST TEARS |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:34:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:this pretty much sums up the highsec response
It's an excellent response to the original premise of this thread.
Nullbears want more high-sec welfare.
Go get your tree fiddy from your nullbear friends. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:37:00 -
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threadd necro is merely the only honest highsec pubbie, freely admitting his desire for a safer highsec is to protect his EULA-breaking botting operation. he is not a lone villian; he is merely the lone honest one willing to openly stand behind what he does
but as an honest highsec pubbie he is an excellet test case: the standard-bearer of the 'anti-goon' highsec contingent is precisely what you'd expect and we've told everyone to expect: an unrepentant botter |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:07:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:threadd necro is merely the only honest highsec pubbie, freely admitting his desire for a safer highsec is to protect his EULA-breaking botting operation. he is not a lone villian; he is merely the lone honest one willing to openly stand behind what he does
but as an honest highsec pubbie he is an excellet test case: the standard-bearer of the 'anti-goon' highsec contingent is precisely what you'd expect and we've told everyone to expect: an unrepentant botter
1.) Your reading and comprehension skills are rather poor. I have said almost nothing about goons as a group. I never ever said make it safer, I just said don't work so hard to make it less safe in illogical and unreasonable ways. I don't mine, so I certainly don't bot, and I do understand why folks don't like bots, but as I said and you obviously didn't bother to read, aside from this silly and self-serving thread, why NOT allow botting for a time and see what it REALLY does to game balance? EVE already has a skewed economy due to all the automagically renewing resources, which of course ARE necessary to the game. EVE already has an off-balance law enforcement system in place that many nullbears, including you, are trying to take even more advantage of. There could be ore things to process, sell and shoot at and certainly many nullbears need more money for the ships they burn through like an addict does crack.
2.) Calling me a high-sec pubbie is a compliment coming from you, you silly goonparrot/goonlemming. (Gosh isn't name calling FUN?...) This is a game and that's it. You are no one important because you play EVE. You are no one important because you are a nullbear. You will never be "elite" because you play EVE no matter how you play it.
Here's a cookie and some milk for you.
Try again when you can be bothered to read and comprehend rather than vomit the same nullbear codswallop over and over. |
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:07:00 -
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If they would make that what you're suggesting, would still be relevant to call HI-sec a Hi-sec? All you want, is to kill everybody, just because you can't find victims in 0.0? Go against some big alliance and you will.Ther'es no reason why high sec carebears should be your targets. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:13:00 -
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we are busy murdering alliances in delve while we engage in the community service of clensing highsec of botters like threadd necro and yourself |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:14:00 -
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Kiwis23 wrote:just because you can't find victims in 0.0? I giggle every time some pubbie manages to type this out with a straight face. |
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:32:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:we are busy murdering alliances in delve while we engage in the community service of clensing highsec of botters like threadd necro and yourself
I do feel insulted... Just because I live in High sec, does not mean I'm a bot.
I just enjoy some pve pew pew, and literaly hate pvp. that's why I don't want to go to low or 0.0 space. not because I'm a bot. besides - I'm earning about 100-150m/hour with normal missions, why the hell I would risk with whatI've earned and bot?
I have been suicide'ed 6 times if I remember correctly. And I hate those guys. lost around 6bil because of them. And learned a ways to avoid them. the thing you're suggesting would make me and I'm sure hundreds of other pleayers quiting EVE.
P.S. I was mining ice long time ago... until I got suicided... twice. So i switched to missions. More fun, less risk, yet more money to loose if something goes wrong. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:13:00 -
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You fly a 1b isk mission boat?
Well, there's your problem then. |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2011.11.24 01:17:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Kiwis23 wrote:just because you can't find victims in 0.0? I giggle every time some pubbie manages to type this out with a straight face.
I giggle every time a goonparrot/goonlemming uses the word "pubbie" as a pejorative. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
182
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:17:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:Nullbears want more high-sec welfare. I don't need it. I've just made 20b in two weeks without even undocking. Hell, I've barely even had to log in that char. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1722
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Posted - 2011.11.26 01:15:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Kiwis23 wrote:just because you can't find victims in 0.0? I giggle every time some pubbie manages to type this out with a straight face. I giggle every time some goonparrot/goonlemming/nullbear manages to use the word "pubbie" as a pejorative. look it thinks its people |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1722
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Posted - 2011.11.26 01:15:00 -
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good old Thredd Necro walking on his hind legs like a little rory calhoon |
Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.27 16:25:00 -
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Terrible |
Velicitia
Open Designs
124
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Posted - 2011.11.27 19:54:00 -
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I'm on the fence about ganking ... mostly because if I say "go for it" I am red to everyone in hisec and if I say "HELL NO" I'm apparently a "botting pubbie" or whatever the goons will label me as.
Either way, hisec needs fixed. I'm not sure if making ganking "easier" all across hisec is the right way to do things (though to anyone who's mining in a hulk in the rookie systems... GTFO and leave the veld to the rookies) ... but definitely something needs to be done in 0.5 to promote people working together to defend their stuff (and consequently, to help further erode the "Great Wall of Carebear").
e.g. something to give combat-capable people a chance at helping defend a mining op ... maybe removal of CONCORD in 0.5 ... and replacing with faction navies? you'll still get shot up by the navy, but they're tankable ... so if you decide to go GCC on someone showing up in one of the new BCs, you can get a point/neut/ECM on them right away without having to make it a guarenteed trip to your local market hub for a new ship.
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Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
15
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Posted - 2011.11.28 05:53:00 -
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Why o why are there certain people who blue a big part of EVE calling out for easier targets elsewhere?
Ah yes, because the targets there are easier.
A suggestion from Goon has merely one concept. To destroy the game for others but goons. However possible. Just dress it up nicely and make it look like it's for the greater good, I am sure more people who are wannabe goons will fall for it. But in the end only goons are served and to hell with the rest.
If goons want to PvP so badly why not fight something like the Mad Russians?
Ow wait, the Mad Russians can actually fight back and have enough ISK in the wallet to hire PL to mess along.
Can't have that can we.
Let's look for some poor slob alliance to destroy, best by use of metagaming, because heck, we are goons and no tears better than those who got backstabbed the most insidious way.
CCP created a sanbox and goons aren't the bully, they are the cunning little **** in the back manipulating the bully because most bullies are weakminded.
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