Do the lowering of effective bonuses you're proposing here put links in a place where you feel comfortable leaving them off grid, or is work continuing to move them on grid?

This is the best part of the thread.

Yeah in allot of ways ccp is actually buffing ogbs:

Adding new navy links which give 2 bonuses

Making links much cheaper.

Power grid for links reduced

t3s now provide 3 groups of bonues.

Adding bonus with scan res to boost gate camps.

I can see why those who exploi...use ogbs view this as "fair." They get to use this **** mechanic for the forseeable future.

Update on ending ogbs= Still no end in sight.

These numbers are not very descriptive btw.

An incursus Atm does NOT get a 35% boost to its active tanking from links right now.. It gets over 100%

This nerf does virtually nothing. Links are still about three times as powerful as they should be.

This does not even count the cap bonus which is important for active tanking.

Plus ccp is boosting ogbs by giving the type of tank they bonus (local active tanks) a boost.

Bottom line: OGBs still = god mode. But now you cant share them in a pos. So more people will get alt accounts so they can play in godmode. CCP made it cheaper and easier to do.


CCP you have been claiming you want to get rid of ogbs for over a year now. But only ever give vague claims its technically difficult. Specific questions are never really answered in this regard. You claim someone is working on it but never say who. If you want to have credibility perhaps it's time for the team/individual to post a dev blog about this and actually answer some questions from the players.

Anyone have thoughts on simply making Fleet boost levels dependent on Fleet Size?

Likewise, Rapid Deployment II (7% base) would give very different bonuses based on your fleet size:

Using something like Base Boost * Mindlink Bonus * Hull Bonus * (1 + Number in fleet * Modifier) = Fleet Boost Bonus?

Example: Rapid Deployment, Mindlinked, CS:

5 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 5 ) = 10.82% increase in speed
10 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 10 ) = 11.57% increase in speed
15 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 15 ) = 12.33% increase in speed
20 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 20 ) = 13.08% increase in speed
30 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 30 ) = 14.59% increase in speed
50 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 50 ) = 17.61% increase in speed
75 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 75 ) = 21.38% increase in speed
100 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 100 ) = 25.16% increase in speed
150 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 150 ) = 32.7% increase in speed
200 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 200 ) = 40.25% increase in speed
250 in fleet: 7 * 1.25 * 1.15 * (1 + 0.015 * 250 ) = 47.8% increase in speed

Most of your updates are decent. Could you please take a moment to address why off grid gang links are way more potent than pirate implant sets and drugs? Both of these later items are at real risk of not only being destroyed, but also providing drawbacks to your ship. Meanwhile, links are boosting every ship, with far more potency, from historically, a "safe" place.

P.S. EXCELLENT change with by giving boosters a weapons timer!!!!!

Most of your updates are decent. Could you please take a moment to address why off grid gang links are way more potent than pirate implant sets and drugs? Both of these later items are at real risk of not only being destroyed, but also providing drawbacks to your ship. Meanwhile, links are boosting every ship, with far more potency, from historically, a "safe" place.

P.S. EXCELLENT change with by giving boosters a weapons timer!!!!!

I'm reposting part of what I said in warfaire and tactics here so that perhaps a dev will read this and understand why so many players hate ogbs.

There are a few reasons why ccp's refusal to deal with ogbs= god mode makes it much easier to do other things with my time. These problems just aren't present from implants or drugs.

1) AltBoosters = Pay to win: Implants and boosters cost isk. (In game currency) They do not require the pay out of real money. Paying for a second account to sit in safe spot in a booster ship does cost real money. Accordingly no matter how much experience I have gained in the market or other isk making in eve that won't matter. I need to pay the extra 15 dollars to get god mode.

I have lots of isk due to learning how to play the game. This has lead to me having 4 clones with pirate implants one set with improved learning implants and another with hg talons. All have various other implants for slots 7-10. I have made as much money from experimenting/learning drugs in eve as i have lost from using them. The ingame economy is a huge boon to eve and learning how to "play" it is a big part of the game.

Play to win with a booster alt pretty much destroys that. That bothers me but I have to say that the extra 15 dollars a month is not in itself prohibitive for me. The other problem is:

2) Alt boosters make the game no fun to play. I think there are 2 general reasons for this.

A) It ruins the immersion. I am not like the mittani where I forget who I am in real life and start thinking I am cearain. But when I am flying around space I do have at least some modicum of immersion that I am a character in a game flying a spaceship. However when i am multiboxing 2 different characters that is completely shot. Completely shot. I am then not a character in a game flying a spaceship, I am a nerd upstairs trying to outspreadsheet other nerds.

B) There is an important difference between a game being challenging and a game just being tedious. Booster alts do not make eve challenging they make it tedious. Finding safespots in all the systems and dragging an alt around everywhere on your roam is not challenging. Any cretin can do that. But it is tedious. Is eve supposed to always be won by the person who can withstand the most tedium?

Drugs and implants are bought with ingame currency and thus are balanced by that currency. If you think implants are risk free
to spend 2.5 billion on a set, ok. use them. I do in low sec and think getting a set should be a goal of new low sec pvpers. Same if you think spending 5 mill isk on a booster that last up to an hour. Having isk to use is part of the game. People *learn* how to make/save isk in eve its a great part of the single shard game and economy.

Using implants and drugs doesn't make the game tedious and it doesn't ruin the immersion of the game either. Booster alts do both.

You say its the same but give no explanation other than "trust me."

I highly doubt people pay ccp 15 dollars a month so they can sell a plex and buy drugs. But I bet many, likely most, booster alt accounts are paid by real money subscriptions. Moreover the people buying drugs are at least buying something made by players in game with in game isk. Extra accounts for god-mode is purely pay to win. There is no in game isk needed at all. Indeed it is inefficient to use ingame isk since there are discounts for longer than 1 month real money subscriptions.

If people gave ccp as much real money for drugs and implants as they did for alt accounts ccp would not make alt accounts so much more powerful.


Still I have a question:

A) Are these bonuses based on the assumption ships need to be ongrid,
Or
B) when the link ships have to be on grid (assuming this is really ccps plan) will the bonuses increase?

If its A then ccp should admit that the bonuses are not currently balanced, and will remain unbalanced until they are forced on grid.

I like the way you say htfu because I am not interested in dragging a link alt around with me on roams. That is the sort of pathetic behaviour ccp is rewarding by this mechanic.

I dare you to try that when links are forced on grid . . .