This goes along with my idea of a specialized fleet command ship that would be ideal for fleet commanders to fly. Something with a massive tank and a bonus to targeting range / being unjammable / number of targets locked, so he can broadcast targets and keep tabs on people everywhere on grid. At the cost of all damage output. This ship would have no damage output and very few utility slots making it only attractive to fleet commanders.

It occurs to me that this ship might not be very fun to fly, but fleet commanders already have enough to do, so that doesnt really matter.

My Earlier Suggestion

Damnation:
Amarr Battlecruiser skill bonuses:
4% bonus to all Armor Resistances
+5 max locked targets per level
Command Ships skill bonuses:
10% bonus to all Armor hitpoints
3% bonus to effectiveness of Armored and Information Warfare Links per level

Role Bonus: Immune to Electronic Sensor Effects (E-war, Sensor Dampening, remote sensor boosting), Can fit up to three Warfare Link modules

Slot layout: 6 H (-1), 3 M (-1), 8 L (+2) , 0 turrets (-4), 0 Launchers (-5)
Fittings: 1200(-390) PWG, 500(+25) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 3500(+37) / 6000(+1395) / 4300(-24)
Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 70 / 87.5
Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 62.5 / 80
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 3375 / 750s / 4.5
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 (-30) / 0.7(-0.004) / 11500000 (+1000000) / 18.18s(+5.0)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 (-25) / 0 (-25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 150km (+100) / 210 / 7(+1)
Sensor strength: 22 Radar (+6)
Signature radius: 265
Cargo capacity: 645

The bonuses on the EOS would look similar:
EOS:
Gallente Battlecruiser skill bonuses:
4% bonus to all Armor Resistances
+5 max locked targets per level
Command Ships skill bonuses:
7.5% bonus to Repair Effects (both incoming and local)
3% bonus to effectiveness of Armored and Skirmish Warfare Links per level

Role Bonus: Immune to Electronic Sensor Effects (E-war, Sensor Dampening, remote sensor boosting), Can fit up to three Warfare Link modules

Thoughts?

why would anybody want less than 4 lows on the ship????

I agree here, and apart from that the NH needs more DPS too. Its been nerfed in DPS (do the maths, 5*1.75 < 6*1.5!) and its DPS have been poor even before the HML nerf (!), and now it should be nerfed down even more. Give it similar DPS to other ships, and make it able to use all its slots with a reasonable layout. The PG and CPU buff are good though, now one more med, one less low and DPS on par with the rest (or even on top - there is no reason for a Caldari ship to be NOT best in its class in something, right?)

Why Fozzie have you tormented me so long with no link to the model changes? Is it happening? Is it not? I can't take it anymore. D:

PS. I don't want to lose my laser chicken

Because buffing them pretty much across the board, giving them quite generous fittings, and making it so they can all fit three links is "mediocre" compared to before when there were a total of 3 command ships worth flying in any situation?

We're looking at ships that can, finally, directly compete with T3s for damage, compete up to a point on tank, and finally boost better. What, exactly, were you hoping for? Mini-doomday devices and 2-million base EHP each?



Your definition of "better" confuses me... we have better damage, better resists, better fittings, more cargo space, an applied damage bonus...

In-fact the only thing I can find that's worse is the inertia modifier, by a grand old .01x which is, overall, not worth complaining about.

Even with 5 mids you can fit a far better tank than the Drake and with the extra fittings you have the option of some truely hilarious ASB fits like the one Fozzie posted earlier.



You're forgetting how cap regen bonuses work, so when you apply skills, recharge mods, rigs, ect the Command Ships end up with a higher cap recharge because they have far more total capacitor than the HACs and the Abso ends up with the highest cap regen after skills are applied because of its higher cap pool.

The EOS has a nice bonus to drone hitpoints to mitigate damage, and another to MWD velocity so it shouldn't be losing drones at much of a rate unless you're using the thing to 1v1 that, for some odd reason, wants to give you more time to neut it out and/or is ignoring your gun damage for silly reasons. It's also beating out the Myrm by being able to hold and field 2 full flights of Heavy Drones so I'm not sure what the issue is, unless you somehow feel it should be a mini-Dominix, which... is really not needed.



If you read Fozzie's post back here in the thread you'll note that they are not planning for an arms race to see who can alpha capital-tanked command ships first.

Here's your reply on the issue. If you'd actually run the numbers you'd see that these are not in any sort of terrible position with their current cap regen.

No they don't. Other than BC (3.8/s) and a couple others, pretty much every other ship in the last 2 years of balance passes have varying cap/s rates based on race. Hacs being one in this balance pass...

Even look at the Cap/s of the new marauders... The Paladin gets a significant advantage in cap/s compared to the others. I fail to see why Abso (and to a lesser degree, the zealot) should be any different.

Fozzie's argument about cap/s being the same across an entire "Class" only holds true in a specific few cases... Look at Assault Frigates, you will see that the enyo has 1.83/s and the retribution has 2.33/s. Or how about in the case of t1 combat cruisers? Rupture is at 3.0/s Maller is at 3.5/s. Attack Battleships? Megathron is at 5.22/s Tempest is at 4.7/s....

Checking the numbers for yourself is generally a better idea than white-knighting a dev's posts. Just saying


So yeah, 4.5/s across all commands is lazy, nothing else.