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 HUGO DRAX    |
Posted - 2005.12.19 15:02:00 -
[1] Edited by: HUGO DRAX on 19/12/2005 15:03:27 Okay it looks like the Macrominer software packages have been updated to some new code to handle RMR. #1 it seems they are now mining in 0.5 #2 they will fly 4-6 barges and 1 vexor to autotarget rats and fire on them. #3 they use a mammoth to hit. I have created a macrointel chat. we should all be on one page and discuss locations etc.. I am currently using locator agents to keep track of them. I would do the same, add them to your buddylist and then trace them down. If you want to see them one group is located in Augnais |
 Ralitge boyter |
Posted - 2005.12.19 15:28:00 -
[2] Your still at it  Please don't bother, they have been operating in this configuration for weeks now in some systems... It makes little to no sence at all to go after them and try and kill them as they will just start new accounts and mine some more. ------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me. |
 Nigoal Tragotan |
Posted - 2005.12.19 15:34:00 -
[3] Can you give us some names and systems please? |
 Serpensis |
Posted - 2005.12.19 15:40:00 -
[4] What is the channel? -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty." |
Cvuos |
Posted - 2005.12.19 15:43:00 -
[5] So locator agents work for you? Mine won't respond, I thought maybe the feature was temp out due to server issues or something. |
 HUGO DRAX |
Posted - 2005.12.19 16:08:00 -
[6] not yet I tried it today. so no luck. worked before RMR. but I got an idea of where they hang. I just got convoed by 1 and cussed out in broken english |
Saleia |
Posted - 2005.12.19 16:17:00 -
[7] I think is fun to hunt these guys down. makes them play the game. Took down 1 Appoc, 2 mark v's and a mammoth just yesterday in .9 systems with the new loot can rules. And i did it with just a T1 Punisher. There are 3-4 Macro teams that work our area so there are plenty of targets. But they were getting smart and just leaving the cans after a while. Convo me or evemail me if anyone wants to gang up of need help. One did evemail me the following and i could not stop laughing for half an hour. " @#%$ you, you are PIGDOG!!!!!!" |
 Binary Mind |
Posted - 2005.12.19 16:32:00 -
[8] even before RMR I saw a group that stopped mining if another ship got too close to them. but replaceing their can with yours would still kill their hauler |
 Saleia |
Posted - 2005.12.19 16:47:00 -
[9] Ya, they would deploy drones and target me. But never attack. I only attacked when they took the ore back from me switching the cans. |
High Sierra |
Posted - 2005.12.19 16:50:00 -
[10]
be interesting to see them do that since you cant train mining barges on trial accounts now. and if it means they buy accounts, that lessens their RL profit which is fine by me. |
 HUGO DRAX |
Posted - 2005.12.19 16:57:00 -
[11] we have some folks now in channel macrointel. so far the cruisers will engage the moment you get flagged. and I got convoed by the sweatshop operator cussing me out in poor english. asking for his stuff etc.. They were spotted in a 0.5 system AUGNAIS They are mining out the omber and plag, we already wiped them out of AUGNAIS and they had to leave after losing ships. |
 GM Rendo |
Posted - 2005.12.19 17:12:00 -
[12] It's nice to see that there are some inventive players out there. Eases the load on us a bit as we currently have our hands full.  |
Avon |
Posted - 2005.12.19 17:20:00 -
[13] A bit OT, but I'd just like to say thanks again to Rendo for unsticking me last night. I hope Santa has put you on the 'nice' list and you get everything you want for Christmas.  ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
 Bunny Wunny |
Posted - 2005.12.19 17:58:00 -
[14] you tell us what to do, and how to spot these blighters and I'll take care of their ore! |
 Sentinel Roqeze |
Posted - 2005.12.19 18:11:00 -
[15] My corp went on a run yesterday, basically looking to wreak some havok with the new flagging rules, and came across a bunch of macro-miners in Altrinur (0.8). This particular group were all in Apocs with 4 Hammerhead 1 drones per ship as defence, all hardpoints equipped with mining lasers. All in all we moved around 4M worth of ore from can to can before we got any reaction from them at all - and even then it was to simply stop mining and to target us without actually making a move to attack. All of a sudden the bulk of the group warped out at once, leaving one to try and reclaim some of the ore we'd moved hence flagging himself. One Apoc down, and 4M isk extra in the bank for us. We did encounter a small group of barges in the same system as well, but they refused to take from our cans... they clearly fit the macro profile, but would only take from their own gang's cans. We even tried renaming the cans we dropped to make them look like theirs, but to no avail. I wonder if some of them have managed to program the macro to recognise the "You will be flagged as a thief" message and leave any cans which bring it up. |
 Saleia |
Posted - 2005.12.19 21:29:00 -
[16] After you loot there can, has anyone tryed to shoot back? Does concord step in on you? And if you're in gang can they shoot back? Or do they have to be aggroed first? Can corp memebers shoot back? If no one has i'm going to test this out tonight. |
 Corvus Dove |
Posted - 2005.12.19 21:31:00 -
[17]
If they have, what it's actually doing is probably not clicking through the window at all. SO surround them with cans, and when the macroer comes back to the keys for that computer he'll nto be able to see what the hell is going on. ----------------------------------------------- MAKE THE MACROERS SCREAM |
MysticNZ |
Posted - 2005.12.19 21:35:00 -
[18] There is one script they use and it gets updated weekly. If CPP wished, they could identify the program. I have even sent it to them along with the script they are using to attempt to block it. No word yet. -                     |
Filan |
Posted - 2005.12.19 21:47:00 -
[19] sadly they cant do much about macromining on a gameplay level, EQ2 tried fighting macrocrafting with its annoying "Whack-a-mole" system and it just drives legit players to use programs..... |
Sentinel Roqeze |
Posted - 2005.12.19 21:57:00 -
[20]
None of them attacked us when we looted the cans. One fought back when we attacked after he flagged himself, but he only had drones and they were quickly taken care of. All corp members were able to KOS, they saw the flag, though one gang member who is a friend but not in the corp received the "You are about to commit a crime" warning when he attempted to open fire, so kept his missiles to himself. This confused me, as I was led to believe that flagging worked for all gang members, but in this case it didn't seem to. |
Kim Chee |
Posted - 2005.12.19 21:58:00 -
[21] Fantastic! I love seeing macrominers get smacked around. They make it hard for us real miners to make a living without resorting to combat (see the drop in ore prices over the last 3-6 months... ugh). A punisher vs. an apocalypse? HAHAHA! Maybe I'll have to drag a few of my spare frigates out... :) Vila Restal: I'm entitled to my opinion. Kerr Avon: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating. |
Fashion Bug |
Posted - 2005.12.19 22:21:00 -
[22] WOOT!!! KILLING MARCOMINERS ROCKS!!!!! |
High Sierra |
Posted - 2005.12.19 22:24:00 -
[23] i need to speak to someone about the new flagging rules and how they work. could someone evemail me a quick rundown please? |
Sarqindi |
Posted - 2005.12.19 22:34:00 -
[24] Can you use Tractor Beams on cans you don't own? If so, wouldn't it be fun to move the macrominers cans around a bit? |
 Cleric JohnPreston |
Posted - 2005.12.19 22:37:00 -
[25] Congradulations eveyone whos taking part. By the sounds of it when the MM`ers operators respond to you via hatemail your doing your job and giving them a hard time making isk. Well done and keep up the good work. |
Squelch |
Posted - 2005.12.19 22:37:00 -
[26] I have found that if you make a gang with your buddies and then have a macro/isk farmer aggress you, not all of your gang can actually shoot back. If you make the gang and then jump into a different system it seems to fix the problem and all gang members can attack when one is aggressed. So it seems to need a system jump before it works properly. |
 Delboy Trotter |
Posted - 2005.12.19 22:49:00 -
[27] This is most interesting , I am a returning player having been out of the game for many months and have been looking for something to occupy myself with and taking on the macro miners sounds right . could someone plz post details of any orginisations or channels ingame that concern this area of operations as i would like to make some contacts , how for example do you tell a macro operation from a legitimate player operation ? I look forward to seeing you out there |
Lassivarien |
Posted - 2005.12.19 22:49:00 -
[28] There have been some operating out of Jarizza in Derelik region for a few days now. All I saw was retrievers and a mammoth though. |
Arele |
Posted - 2005.12.19 23:12:00 -
[29] Edited by: Arele on 19/12/2005 23:15:04 Legit corp players usually aren't named fjdlsfs, mineking12, loveboy, 04jdsflsdlf, etc. Add to this legit players usually don't stand by while you steal their ore without at least saying something, or when you bump them, or lock them, or convo them, or speak in local to them, etc. Anti-macro is one channel I know of as well. |
HUGO DRAX |
Posted - 2005.12.19 23:14:00 -
[30] the channel is macrointel and if someone would be nice enough to put up a forum to post names and systems it would make it easier to spot the patterns. anyhow to kill them this is what you can do. #1 identify the jetcan that is being used by the macrominer #2 put some ore into your cargo (you are now flagged) and the jettison it to a new jetcan #3 move all the ore to your jetcan and make sure you rename it the same way as the macrominers can. #4 what will happen is the hauler will come to pick up the ore and the moment it takes it out of your can you can now shoot (he will show up flashing red in overview) You do not lose sec status for this or get concorded. Some of the more sophisticated software packages use countermeasures such as multiple cans with long names making it harder for you to swap all of them out due to the minimum time to send out a new can. Some of them (the ones operating in 0.8-0.5) will have a gunner and so far they have been vexors with drones and 200mm carbide railguns. The Vexors will aggro you the moment you touch the ore on the macrominers can and get flagged. you might want to take care not to lose a ship, be sure you know you can tank and gank it. I have seen some of the sweatshop operators actually convo you and smacktalk in real poor english so obviously there is an operator live at the helm at times. I have heard reports that they will not touch the can if they see you next to it now, so best thing to do is cloaked stealth bombers. I was also told if you set the macros to +10 standing they will not get a warning when taking ore from your can (anyone test this?) |
Corvus Dove |
Posted - 2005.12.19 23:16:00 -
[31]
Let me see it. I have a plan. ----------------------------------------------- MAKE THE MACROERS SCREAM |
 Corvus Dove Caldari Soul Collectors |
Posted - 2005.12.19 23:16:00 -
[32]
Let me see it. I have a plan. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal. |
Jennai |
Posted - 2005.12.19 23:29:00 -
[33] Edited by: Jennai on 19/12/2005 23:29:34
I don't think standing affects the aggression from can stealing, but while swapping cans I accidentally tried to drag something to their can, and it said something like "you can't do this because you're not in corp or gang and you're not held in the highest personal standings". so I set the macro apocs to +10 personal standing to see what would happen, and they started putting ore into my can. hauler took it, I killed him. the trick has worked eight times and on six of them I was able to kill the hauler. the other two times it just left all the ore and switched belts so I blew up the can. |
 Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.19 23:29:00 -
[34] Edited by: Jennai on 19/12/2005 23:29:34
I don't think standing affects the aggression from can stealing, but while swapping cans I accidentally tried to drag something to their can, and it said something like "you can't do this because you're not in corp or gang and you're not held in the highest personal standings". so I set the macro apocs to +10 personal standing to see what would happen, and they started putting ore into my can. hauler took it, I killed him. the trick has worked eight times and on six of them I was able to kill the hauler. the other two times it just left all the ore and switched belts so I blew up the can. |
Corvus Dove |
Posted - 2005.12.19 23:35:00 -
[35]
TRICKY!!!!!!! I like it :). ----------------------------------------------- MAKE THE MACROERS SCREAM |
Corvus Dove Caldari Soul Collectors |
Posted - 2005.12.19 23:35:00 -
[36]
TRICKY!!!!!!! I like it :). ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal. |
Happysin |
Posted - 2005.12.20 01:38:00 -
[37] ArsC happily throws its efforts behind this. |
 Happysin Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance |
Posted - 2005.12.20 01:38:00 -
[38] ArsC happily throws its efforts behind this. |
Cvuos |
Posted - 2005.12.20 03:11:00 -
[39]
Ah, so that's what it's good for. Excellent tip, cheers. |
 Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2005.12.20 03:11:00 -
[40]
Ah, so that's what it's good for. Excellent tip, cheers.
|
Ranger 1 |
Posted - 2005.12.20 03:30:00 -
[41] Around the Ashab system there are quite a few macro users. The trickiest one is the Abear Corp. We war dec'd them, but they stopped logging those characters on. We'll let them chill a bit. The thing that makes them difficult is the fact that they use large barges, fill it's hold, and jump directly back to the station. They never use a hauler or grab a can. Sure, their profits are lower, but it makes them more difficult to get at. Of course there are fleet's of Macroing Apocs as well... |
 Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2005.12.20 03:30:00 -
[42] Around the Ashab system there are quite a few macro users. The trickiest one is the Abear Corp. We war dec'd them, but they stopped logging those characters on. We'll let them chill a bit. The thing that makes them difficult is the fact that they use large barges, fill it's hold, and jump directly back to the station. They never use a hauler or grab a can. Sure, their profits are lower, but it makes them more difficult to get at. Of course there are fleet's of Macroing Apocs as well... |
Caius LiviusCerso |
Posted - 2005.12.20 10:24:00 -
[43] So, WHY doesn't CCP answer to that issue of macro miners? They have the power to reduce their usage, why don't they? |
 Caius LiviusCerso |
Posted - 2005.12.20 10:24:00 -
[44] So, WHY doesn't CCP answer to that issue of macro miners? They have the power to reduce their usage, why don't they? |
Tessa Vaako |
Posted - 2005.12.20 15:59:00 -
[45]
My understanding is that it comes down to simple manpower. It takes a time and effort to investigate each account accused of macroing, time and effort that is currently bug-hunting and un-sticking people. In the mean time I'll see you all in MacroIntel. -- Don't Run. You'll Only Die Tired. |
 Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance |
Posted - 2005.12.20 15:59:00 -
[46]
My understanding is that it comes down to simple manpower. It takes a time and effort to investigate each account accused of macroing, time and effort that is currently bug-hunting and un-sticking people. In the mean time I'll see you all in MacroIntel. -- |
Tessa Vaako |
Posted - 2005.12.20 16:00:00 -
[47]
MWD ramming perhaps? -- Don't Run. You'll Only Die Tired. |
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance |
Posted - 2005.12.20 16:00:00 -
[48]
MWD ramming perhaps? -- |
Arcticblue2 |
Posted - 2005.12.20 16:35:00 -
[49] It is very important to file a petition on suspected macrominers, as I understand and think is that they put their names in a database or something like that and the more petitions one character gets the more important is it to investigate if it is a suspected macroer or not. So always send in a petition on them... Personally I make a list in Word where I put in character name, corp, age, ship they fly and others they are with usually.... that list is growing every day I fly around. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. |
 Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc |
Posted - 2005.12.20 16:35:00 -
[50] It is very important to file a petition on suspected macrominers, as I understand and think is that they put their names in a database or something like that and the more petitions one character gets the more important is it to investigate if it is a suspected macroer or not. So always send in a petition on them... Personally I make a list in Word where I put in character name, corp, age, ship they fly and others they are with usually.... that list is growing every day I fly around. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. |
HUGO DRAX |
Posted - 2005.12.20 22:47:00 -
[51] Operations against macrominers are being successful so far. they are losing barges,haulers,apocs. one recent kill from the guys in macrointel was a barge with modulated stripminers and alpha hull expanders. Smacktalk from them is a sure sign that they are hurting. if anyone else wants to join on on the fun you can join macrointel. and learn the tricks of the trade from the guys who frequent the channel. Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
 HUGO DRAX DRAX INDUSTRIES |
Posted - 2005.12.20 22:47:00 -
[52] Operations against macrominers are being successful so far. they are losing barges,haulers,apocs. one recent kill from the guys in macrointel was a barge with modulated stripminers and alpha hull expanders. Smacktalk from them is a sure sign that they are hurting. if anyone else wants to join on on the fun you can join macrointel. and learn the tricks of the trade from the guys who frequent the channel. Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
3rdD Dave |
Posted - 2005.12.21 01:24:00 -
[53] Im wondering. Probably not,but can you declare war on the corp theyre with. That way it would be easy to kill them in empire space. |
 3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy Apocalyptica. |
Posted - 2005.12.21 01:24:00 -
[54] Im wondering. Probably not,but can you declare war on the corp theyre with. That way it would be easy to kill them in empire space. |
Pac SubCom |
Posted - 2005.12.21 03:06:00 -
[55] Edited by: Pac SubCom on 21/12/2005 03:10:50 Edited by: Pac SubCom on 21/12/2005 03:08:31 Edited by: Pac SubCom on 21/12/2005 03:07:28
They are in noob corps. The minute they would found their own corps all of them would be dead. Anyway, THEY ARE (SOMETIMES) SHOOTING WHEN YOU ARE FLAGGED! I lost a destroyer today while stealing a little ore from one group. The barges have Hammerhead I's as protection, as mentioned above. I guess an operator was controlling that barge at that time. People with better ships should not have problems though. But I got my revenge, with help from the folks on macrointel. One hauler less. Later I returned alone and destroyed all the loot the macro had collected. No reaction then. ----------------------------------- Kiss me I'm noob |
 Pac SubCom A.W.M Ka-Tet |
Posted - 2005.12.21 03:06:00 -
[56] Edited by: Pac SubCom on 21/12/2005 03:10:50 Edited by: Pac SubCom on 21/12/2005 03:08:31 Edited by: Pac SubCom on 21/12/2005 03:07:28
They are in noob corps. The minute they would found their own corps all of them would be dead. Anyway, THEY ARE (SOMETIMES) SHOOTING WHEN YOU ARE FLAGGED! I lost a destroyer today while stealing a little ore from one group. The barges have Hammerhead I's as protection, as mentioned above. I guess an operator was controlling that barge at that time. People with better ships should not have problems though. But I got my revenge, with help from the folks on macrointel. One hauler less. Later I returned alone and destroyed all the loot the macro had collected. No reaction then. |
HUGO DRAX |
Posted - 2005.12.21 05:45:00 -
[57] Edited by: HUGO DRAX on 21/12/2005 05:45:49 yes you still need to be careful regarding drones. make sure you can gank them and tank. Now a first time sighting of them using a raven for security in the jita icebelts. Looks like they are feeling the pain and now upping it up a notch. Anyhow make sure you consider your ship and the security ship they fly before moving ore. Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
HUGO DRAX DRAX INDUSTRIES |
Posted - 2005.12.21 05:45:00 -
[58] Edited by: HUGO DRAX on 21/12/2005 05:45:49 yes you still need to be careful regarding drones. make sure you can gank them and tank. Now a first time sighting of them using a raven for security in the jita icebelts. Looks like they are feeling the pain and now upping it up a notch. Anyhow make sure you consider your ship and the security ship they fly before moving ore. Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
Jennai |
Posted - 2005.12.21 07:59:00 -
[59] this is a macro miner's idea of security: FEROX Destroyed items: 1MN Afterburner I Civilian Shield Booster I Basic Overdrive Injector System Miner II Basic Expanded Cargohold Basic Expanded Cargohold Veldspar, Qty: 4106 (Cargo) Mining Drone I (Drone Bay) Mining Drone I (Drone Bay) items not destroyed were more miner II, a 7.2% CPU, 3 civilian shield boosters, limos and OE-5200 rocket launchers. I stole its can and it started shooting rockets at an asteroid. it made another one, I stole it again, started flying away, and it launched rockets at me from 30km. after a while it ran out of ammo because it didn't have any besides what was in the launcher, so I scrambled and killed it. ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.21 07:59:00 -
[60] this is a macro miner's idea of security: FEROX Destroyed items: 1MN Afterburner I Civilian Shield Booster I Basic Overdrive Injector System Miner II Basic Expanded Cargohold Basic Expanded Cargohold Veldspar, Qty: 4106 (Cargo) Mining Drone I (Drone Bay) Mining Drone I (Drone Bay) items not destroyed were more miner II, a 7.2% CPU, 3 civilian shield boosters, limos and OE-5200 rocket launchers. I stole its can and it started shooting rockets at an asteroid. it made another one, I stole it again, started flying away, and it launched rockets at me from 30km. after a while it ran out of ammo because it didn't have any besides what was in the launcher, so I scrambled and killed it. |
Naughty Boy |
Posted - 2005.12.21 08:40:00 -
[61] This can flagging is a lovely feature. I've been flying around a bit, interestingly those guys can adapt quite fast. They log in combat (right), smack in local in caps and in convo's, one even webbed and scrambled me, i couldn't quite believe it. One of them was shield tanking his apoc (horror) while he was logged off, though he eventually died after 20 minutes (he didn't log immediatly). A few died to concord. Current score: Naughty Boy's rifter: 21 - Macro/Sweatshops: 0. I'm considering leaving eve, for that many character being involved in this "trade" there must be an impressive amount of people buying ISK. I'm not impressed by the former, nor the latter. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- Spreadsheet - Damage @ range. Check for updates/known issues, feedback welcome. |
 Naughty Boy Chronics of ordinary hate |
Posted - 2005.12.21 08:40:00 -
[62] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 21/12/2005 09:13:06 This can flagging is a lovely feature. I've been flying around a bit, mainly in Amarr space, and interestingly those guys can adapt quite fast. They log in combat (right), smack in local in caps and in convo's, one even webbed and scrambled me, i couldn't quite believe it. One of them was shield tanking his apoc (horror) while he was logged off, though he eventually died after 20 minutes (he didn't log immediatly). A few died to concord. Current score: Naughty Boy's rifter: 21 - Macro/Sweatshops: 0. I'm considering leaving eve, for that many characters being involved in this "trade" there must be an impressive amount of people buying ISK. I don't like the former, nor the latter. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. In Rust We Trust |
Wet Ferret |
Posted - 2005.12.21 09:13:00 -
[63] Just how tough to kill is an apoc? And how bad will those hammerhead drones mess up a kestrel? The reason I ask, is because earlier yesterday, in the Gonen system (0.5 out in Amarr territory) I was harrassing a macroing operation for a couple of hours, taking ore from their cans and trying to get them to attack me. There was two apocs with lots of hammerhead I drones and a mammoth periodically coming to haul. I have 4 active launchers w/bloodclaws, Small Shield Booster II, and I put on a webber and strength 2 warp scrambler for the occasion. Would I be able to tank with that? I'm a pvp noob but I want to fight these bastards .Some things to note: They never attacked me once, even though I stole a LOT of their ore. I dropped cans next to theirs, named it with identical names and then MASS-swapped all of their ore into my own can until it was full. I did this many times and they just kept popping out new cans and naming them "1111111111" and "2222222222222" etc, I sat around with my aggression flag but they would not attack me or loot out of my cans .After awhile they would warp away to a new belt, or to the station then come back to the place they were. I brought in my hauler to station their ore since I was interrupting my own mining session to harrass them. THAT is when the mammoth finally decided to take from my can, and he waited until he knew I was in a hauler to do it... I could not get back to him in time to attack because he docked immediately I was quite sad! Can I attack the cans without getting blown up? I would have just done that instead but I am extremely devoted to staying high-security status.I understand that you cannot attack drones at all, even if someone steals from your can and is flagged CONCORD will punish you for shooting their drones. Is this true?? I will have to try the +10 security thing to see if they put stuff in my can. These ones seemed to be a machine but smart at the same time, so I think it was at least a partially manned operation. |
 Wet Ferret |
Posted - 2005.12.21 09:13:00 -
[64] Just how tough to kill is an apoc? And how bad will those hammerhead drones mess up a kestrel? The reason I ask, is because earlier yesterday, in the Gonen system (0.5 out in Amarr territory) I was harrassing a macroing operation for a couple of hours, taking ore from their cans and trying to get them to attack me. There was two apocs with lots of hammerhead I drones and a mammoth periodically coming to haul. I have 4 active launchers w/bloodclaws, Small Shield Booster II, and I put on a webber and strength 2 warp scrambler for the occasion. Would I be able to tank with that? I'm a pvp noob but I want to fight these bastards .Some things to note: They never attacked me once, even though I stole a LOT of their ore. I dropped cans next to theirs, named it with identical names and then MASS-swapped all of their ore into my own can until it was full. I did this many times and they just kept popping out new cans and naming them "1111111111" and "2222222222222" etc, I sat around with my aggression flag but they would not attack me or loot out of my cans .After awhile they would warp away to a new belt, or to the station then come back to the place they were. I brought in my hauler to station their ore since I was interrupting my own mining session to harrass them. THAT is when the mammoth finally decided to take from my can, and he waited until he knew I was in a hauler to do it... I could not get back to him in time to attack because he docked immediately I was quite sad! Can I attack the cans without getting blown up? I would have just done that instead but I am extremely devoted to staying high-security status.I understand that you cannot attack drones at all, even if someone steals from your can and is flagged CONCORD will punish you for shooting their drones. Is this true?? I will have to try the +10 security thing to see if they put stuff in my can. These ones seemed to be a machine but smart at the same time, so I think it was at least a partially manned operation. |
Jennai |
Posted - 2005.12.21 09:27:00 -
[65] you can blow up your own cans with no concord. if you can't get the hauler to flag, just blow up the ore. ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.21 09:27:00 -
[66] you can blow up your own cans with no concord. if you can't get the hauler to flag, just blow up the ore. |
Kamui Shiro |
Posted - 2005.12.21 09:28:00 -
[67] Edited by: Kamui Shiro on 21/12/2005 09:28:59
They are smart because there is always 1 person watching them. Especially now when they know if they leave their macro's un-attended they get blown up. Next time you try stealing their ore, have a buddy around so one of you can haul, and the other watch over the can in his combat ship. If you do that the macroer has no other choice but to either stop mining and head for another system or tell his bots to return to station when their cargo hold is full. A kestrel cannot kill an apoc or any BS for that matter unless the BS does'nt have a repairer, then you might be able to kill it(would take long though). As for the drones.. The drones will always kill a frigate unless you fly an assault frigate. So always take a buddy along. There was this channel you could join to give info on the macroers location so other people can help you but i forgot the name. |
 Kamui Shiro Royal Amarr Institute |
Posted - 2005.12.21 09:28:00 -
[68] Edited by: Kamui Shiro on 21/12/2005 09:28:59
They are smart because there is always 1 person watching them. Especially now when they know if they leave their macro's un-attended they get blown up. Next time you try stealing their ore, have a buddy around so one of you can haul, and the other watch over the can in his combat ship. If you do that the macroer has no other choice but to either stop mining and head for another system or tell his bots to return to station when their cargo hold is full. A kestrel cannot kill an apoc or any BS for that matter unless the BS does'nt have a repairer, then you might be able to kill it(would take long though). As for the drones.. The drones will always kill a frigate unless you fly an assault frigate. So always take a buddy along. There was this channel you could join to give info on the macroers location so other people can help you but i forgot the name. |
Xelphior |
Posted - 2005.12.21 11:42:00 -
[69] Just killed some in deltolle. Guard was a megathron with 2xhamerhead drones and 425mm carbide railguns. Pwned him in a caracal using t2 ab and t2 shield boost and passive(!) hardener (em). proceeded to pod his ibis the following 10 minutes when he tried to leave system. |
 Xelphior Caldari Constructive Influence |
Posted - 2005.12.21 11:42:00 -
[70] Just killed some in deltolle. Guard was a megathron with 2xhamerhead drones and 425mm carbide railguns. Pwned him in a caracal using t2 ab and t2 shield boost and passive(!) hardener (em). proceeded to pod his ibis the following 10 minutes when he tried to leave system. |
 Xelphior |
Posted - 2005.12.21 11:43:00 -
[71] 2005.12.21 10:48 Victim: huweijian1 Alliance: None Corp: Federal Navy Academy Destroyed: Megathron System: Deltole Security: 0.5 Involved parties: Name: Xelphior (laid the final blow) Security: -0.1 Alliance: None Corp: State War Academy Ship: Caracal Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Name: Malinaria Security: 0.6 Alliance: None Corp: Dauntless Trading Corporation Ship: Ares Weapon: Ares Destroyed items: 425mm Carbide Railgun I 425mm Carbide Railgun I 425mm Carbide Railgun I 200mm Railgun I 250mm Railgun I Civilian Shield Booster I Small Shield Booster I Type-E Power Core Modification: Capacitor Power Relay Basic Reactor Control Unit Basic Capacitor Power Relay Lead Charge L, Qty: 1558 (Cargo) Iron Charge M, Qty: 375 (Cargo) 50mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I (Cargo) Serpentis Ship Log 381038422 (Cargo) Kapteyn Sensor Array Inhibitor I (Cargo) Hammerhead I (Drone Bay) Small Shield Booster I (Cargo) Acolyte I (Cargo) Tracking Computer I (Cargo) Light Neutron Blaster I (Cargo) Iron Charge M Lead Charge L, Qty: 12 Lead Charge L, Qty: 13 Iridium Charge L, Qty: 13 Iridium Charge L, Qty: 7 2005.12.21 10:54 Victim: huweijian1 Alliance: None Corp: Federal Navy Academy Destroyed: Velator System: Deltole Security: 0.5 Involved parties: Name: Xelphior (laid the final blow) Security: -0.1 Alliance: None Corp: State War Academy Ship: Caracal Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Name: Malinaria Security: 0.6 Alliance: None Corp: Dauntless Trading Corporation Ship: Ares Weapon: Regulated Light Electron Phase Cannon I Destroyed items: Tritanium (Cargo) 2005.12.21 11:00 Victim: huweijian1 Alliance: None Corp: Federal Navy Academy Destroyed: Velator System: Deltole Security: 0.5 Involved parties: Name: Xelphior (laid the final blow) Security: -0.1 Alliance: None Corp: State War Academy Ship: Caracal Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Destroyed items: Tritanium (Cargo) |
Xelphior Caldari Constructive Influence |
Posted - 2005.12.21 11:43:00 -
[72] 2005.12.21 10:48 Victim: huweijian1 Alliance: None Corp: Federal Navy Academy Destroyed: Megathron System: Deltole Security: 0.5 Involved parties: Name: Xelphior (laid the final blow) Security: -0.1 Alliance: None Corp: State War Academy Ship: Caracal Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Name: Malinaria Security: 0.6 Alliance: None Corp: Dauntless Trading Corporation Ship: Ares Weapon: Ares Destroyed items: 425mm Carbide Railgun I 425mm Carbide Railgun I 425mm Carbide Railgun I 200mm Railgun I 250mm Railgun I Civilian Shield Booster I Small Shield Booster I Type-E Power Core Modification: Capacitor Power Relay Basic Reactor Control Unit Basic Capacitor Power Relay Lead Charge L, Qty: 1558 (Cargo) Iron Charge M, Qty: 375 (Cargo) 50mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I (Cargo) Serpentis Ship Log 381038422 (Cargo) Kapteyn Sensor Array Inhibitor I (Cargo) Hammerhead I (Drone Bay) Small Shield Booster I (Cargo) Acolyte I (Cargo) Tracking Computer I (Cargo) Light Neutron Blaster I (Cargo) Iron Charge M Lead Charge L, Qty: 12 Lead Charge L, Qty: 13 Iridium Charge L, Qty: 13 Iridium Charge L, Qty: 7 2005.12.21 10:54 Victim: huweijian1 Alliance: None Corp: Federal Navy Academy Destroyed: Velator System: Deltole Security: 0.5 Involved parties: Name: Xelphior (laid the final blow) Security: -0.1 Alliance: None Corp: State War Academy Ship: Caracal Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Name: Malinaria Security: 0.6 Alliance: None Corp: Dauntless Trading Corporation Ship: Ares Weapon: Regulated Light Electron Phase Cannon I Destroyed items: Tritanium (Cargo) 2005.12.21 11:00 Victim: huweijian1 Alliance: None Corp: Federal Navy Academy Destroyed: Velator System: Deltole Security: 0.5 Involved parties: Name: Xelphior (laid the final blow) Security: -0.1 Alliance: None Corp: State War Academy Ship: Caracal Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Destroyed items: Tritanium (Cargo) |
Jennai |
Posted - 2005.12.21 11:51:00 -
[73]
they've always needed a guy watching them to fix the macro when it breaks because the hauler is stuck on a rock, a bumpageddon knocked their barges 40km off the belt, their roid is depleted, etc. they all have laughably bad setups like the megathron above, or the ferox with 4 civ shield boosters and 2 rocket launchers that didn't know its own weapons range, or the kestrel with nothing but 3 malkuth standards and a small shield booster. a T1 cruiser should be able to kill any of their BS. ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.21 11:51:00 -
[74]
they've always needed a guy watching them to fix the macro when it breaks because the hauler is stuck on a rock, a bumpageddon knocked their barges 40km off the belt, their roid is depleted, etc. they all have laughably bad setups like the megathron above, or the ferox with 4 civ shield boosters and 2 rocket launchers that didn't know its own weapons range, or the kestrel with nothing but 3 malkuth standards and a small shield booster. a T1 cruiser should be able to kill any of their BS. |
ToxicFire |
Posted - 2005.12.21 11:56:00 -
[75] Rightio. Can i just say that the biggest problem that makes eve vunerable to macro's is that its predictable. Increase randomness and it becomes alot harder. Btw all these threads about how you defeat macro'ers is providing them with material to work on the work arounds that will stop people stop macro'ers. |
 ToxicFire Phoenix Knights |
Posted - 2005.12.21 11:56:00 -
[76] Rightio. Can i just say that the biggest problem that makes eve vunerable to macro's is that its predictable. Increase randomness and it becomes alot harder. Btw all these threads about how you defeat macro'ers is providing them with material to work on the work arounds that will stop people stop macro'ers. Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/ |
Jennai |
Posted - 2005.12.21 11:58:00 -
[77]
most of them can't speak english, I doubt if they read the forums, and even if they figure out how to avoid losing haulers, we can still blow up their ore. ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.21 11:58:00 -
[78]
most of them can't speak english, I doubt if they read the forums, and even if they figure out how to avoid losing haulers, we can still blow up their ore. |
3rdD Dave |
Posted - 2005.12.21 13:31:00 -
[79] silly idea .. couldn we just dump a load of cheap ships at the opening of a starbase effectively blocking them from entering and leaving. YEs it`ll **** of the new ppl in the system but surely a pile of cargo cans labeled in the asteroid fields and gates explainin not to use these stations might help. |
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy Apocalyptica. |
Posted - 2005.12.21 13:31:00 -
[80] silly idea .. couldn we just dump a load of cheap ships at the opening of a starbase effectively blocking them from entering and leaving. YEs it`ll **** of the new ppl in the system but surely a pile of cargo cans labeled in the asteroid fields and gates explainin not to use these stations might help. |
SilKKZ the3rd |
Posted - 2005.12.21 15:47:00 -
[81] This whole thread is fun, I will try my hand at killing some of them tonite. Expect me in your chat Hugo Drax. |
 SilKKZ the3rd Caldari Tides of Silence SMASH Alliance |
Posted - 2005.12.21 15:47:00 -
[82] This whole thread is fun, I will try my hand at killing some of them tonite. Expect me in your chat Hugo Drax. |
Papa Smurf  |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:18:00 -
[83]
Hasn't penetrated very far into CCP, or the script may have been considered unworthy of forwarding. Doesn¦t sound likely though with the descriptions that ye all are giving here. Please send the script to [email protected] with the subject "ATTN: Papa Smurf - EVE Macro". Please also attach whatever case number or whatnot you got, as I'd like to find out why the issue didn't reach me. |
 Papa Smurf |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:18:00 -
[84]
Hasn't penetrated very far into CCP, or the script may have been considered unworthy of forwarding. Doesn¦t sound likely though with the descriptions that ye all are giving here. Please send the script to [email protected] with the subject "ATTN: Papa Smurf - EVE Macro". Please also attach whatever case number or whatnot you got, as I'd like to find out why the issue didn't reach me. |
Jennai |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:29:00 -
[85]
the dockable area around stations is very large, and dumping a crapload of ships outside will create lag and get you banned like those 4S guys or whatever who put all those shuttles in jita. ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:29:00 -
[86]
the dockable area around stations is very large, and dumping a crapload of ships outside will create lag and get you banned like those 4S guys or whatever who put all those shuttles in jita. |
 mattzz PPN United Against ALL Authorities |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:37:00 -
[87] There's a group of them that enjoy hanging around Tourier recently but we haven't had much luck in getting their hauler to flag. There's normally 4 barges and 2 haulers - contact me if you want some names. |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:38:00 -
[88]
if the hauler is GAMEY21 I killed him 3 times today so he's probably a bit paranoid now |
Bagdh Dearg |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:40:00 -
[89] Edited by: Bagdh Dearg on 22/12/2005 00:43:36 Hehe went out in a Daredevil on Sunday. Waited till the bastard hauler had left,Went in and switched cans. then Warped out, Waited a few and warped back. Their hauler had taken from the can and I proceded to Lock him down and obliterate him in true Angel Style However i was disappointed that It didnt tell me someone had taken,But when I went back he was flashing red so I went for the kill. _______________________________________________ An tT nach bhfuil lßidir nf folßir d= bheith glic -He who is not strong must be crafty |
 Bagdh Dearg Minmatar Big Bird Industries |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:40:00 -
[90] Edited by: Bagdh Dearg on 22/12/2005 00:43:36 Hehe went out in a Daredevil on Sunday. Waited till the bastard hauler had left,Went in and switched cans. then Warped out, Waited a few and warped back. Their hauler had taken from the can and I proceded to Lock him down and obliterate him in true Angel Style However i was disappointed that It didnt tell me someone had taken,But when I went back he was flashing red so I went for the kill. _______________________________________________ -He who is not strong must be crafty |
Bagdh Dearg Minmatar Big Bird Industries |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:40:00 -
[91] Edited by: Bagdh Dearg on 22/12/2005 00:43:36 Hehe went out in a Daredevil on Sunday. Waited till the bastard hauler had left,Went in and switched cans. then Warped out, Waited a few and warped back. Their hauler had taken from the can and I proceded to Lock him down and obliterate him in true Angel Style However i was disappointed that It didnt tell me someone had taken,But when I went back he was flashing red so I went for the kill. _______________________________________________ -He who is not strong must be crafty |
Jennai |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:51:00 -
[92]
yeah, you can't tell if they've taken it unless you're sitting there watching. but I guess that's better than having random "someone has taken from your can" messages popping up while you're fighting. ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel |
Supox |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:51:00 -
[93] Edited by: Supox on 22/12/2005 00:51:26 I love this thread! You can expect me on your channel tonight! |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:51:00 -
[94]
yeah, you can't tell if they've taken it unless you're sitting there watching. but I guess that's better than having random "someone has taken from your can" messages popping up while you're fighting. |
 Supox |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:51:00 -
[95] Edited by: Supox on 22/12/2005 00:51:26 I love this thread! You can expect me on your channel tonight! |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:51:00 -
[96]
yeah, you can't tell if they've taken it unless you're sitting there watching. but I guess that's better than having random "someone has taken from your can" messages popping up while you're fighting. |
Supox |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:51:00 -
[97] Edited by: Supox on 22/12/2005 00:51:26 I love this thread! You can expect me on your channel tonight! |
Bagdh Dearg |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:54:00 -
[98]
Lol You go to lock someone and a Message Pops Up "Someone has taken from can XYZ." You rapidly click it and you go to lock again "You clicked that message away rather fast,Are ya sure you read it through?". Click that one away and another pops up "Ok ok, No need to be Sarky" so by the time you lock you're already podded and a final message pops up "You see,Ya should have just read the first message instead of shrugging it off". _______________________________________________ An tT nach bhfuil lßidir nf folßir d= bheith glic -He who is not strong must be crafty |
Bagdh Dearg Minmatar Big Bird Industries |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:54:00 -
[99]
Lol You go to lock someone and a Message Pops Up "Someone has taken from can XYZ." You rapidly click it and you go to lock again "You clicked that message away rather fast,Are ya sure you read it through?". Click that one away and another pops up "Ok ok, No need to be Sarky" so by the time you lock you're already podded and a final message pops up "You see,Ya should have just read the first message instead of shrugging it off". _______________________________________________ -He who is not strong must be crafty |
Bagdh Dearg Minmatar Big Bird Industries |
Posted - 2005.12.22 00:54:00 -
[100]
Lol You go to lock someone and a Message Pops Up "Someone has taken from can XYZ." You rapidly click it and you go to lock again "You clicked that message away rather fast,Are ya sure you read it through?". Click that one away and another pops up "Ok ok, No need to be Sarky" so by the time you lock you're already podded and a final message pops up "You see,Ya should have just read the first message instead of shrugging it off". _______________________________________________ -He who is not strong must be crafty |
Franken Slammer |
Posted - 2005.12.22 06:40:00 -
[101] There was a group of 8 med barges adn a mammoth mining ice 23/7 in osmon in forge. on friday night i went out in my ferox. dropped a bm, moved the ice over.. sure enough their hauler takes form my can *pop*. i pick up the haulers' loot, adn drop a juicy cargo expander of his into my can again. a barge see's this adn takes it *pop* Took his loot, and repeated it. Another barge takes it, but they allw arp out when he's in half armour (noob mistake- now have a warp scrambler fitted) total score 2 retrievers, 2 mammoths, damaged barge, 11 white glaze, 1 ice strip miner, assorted garbage, over 25 drones :) my ferox survived easily:) the macroers left after a 2nd day of that, when my corp decided that this was easy and great fun. When i have time, i will hunt em down again. they left our system :) |
 Franken Slammer Caldari Fortunate Few |
Posted - 2005.12.22 06:40:00 -
[102] There was a group of 8 med barges adn a mammoth mining ice 23/7 in osmon in forge. on friday night i went out in my ferox. dropped a bm, moved the ice over.. sure enough their hauler takes form my can *pop*. i pick up the haulers' loot, adn drop a juicy cargo expander of his into my can again. a barge see's this adn takes it *pop* Took his loot, and repeated it. Another barge takes it, but they allw arp out when he's in half armour (noob mistake- now have a warp scrambler fitted) total score 2 retrievers, 2 mammoths, damaged barge, 11 white glaze, 1 ice strip miner, assorted garbage, over 25 drones :) my ferox survived easily:) the macroers left after a 2nd day of that, when my corp decided that this was easy and great fun. When i have time, i will hunt em down again. they left our system :) 23 years ago, the Gallente/Amarr scientist team ended up creating Orphyx, the first self-aware drone, who of course promptly went bat****, flipped out and killed some people. |
Franken Slammer Caldari Fortunate Few |
Posted - 2005.12.22 06:40:00 -
[103] There was a group of 8 med barges adn a mammoth mining ice 23/7 in osmon in forge. on friday night i went out in my ferox. dropped a bm, moved the ice over.. sure enough their hauler takes form my can *pop*. i pick up the haulers' loot, adn drop a juicy cargo expander of his into my can again. a barge see's this adn takes it *pop* Took his loot, and repeated it. Another barge takes it, but they allw arp out when he's in half armour (noob mistake- now have a warp scrambler fitted) total score 2 retrievers, 2 mammoths, damaged barge, 11 white glaze, 1 ice strip miner, assorted garbage, over 25 drones :) my ferox survived easily:) the macroers left after a 2nd day of that, when my corp decided that this was easy and great fun. When i have time, i will hunt em down again. they left our system :) 23 years ago, the Gallente/Amarr scientist team ended up creating Orphyx, the first self-aware drone, who of course promptly went bat****, flipped out and killed some people. |
Jared VonBargen |
Posted - 2005.12.22 08:02:00 -
[104] ive been tracking macros/isk farmers around the Heimatar region for a few weeks now, i have a list of about 40 names stored. but most of them i suspect are farmers and i havent been able to kill any yet, i think they taught the lil chinese kids to click no on any warnings that pop up... |
 Jared VonBargen Caldari Knockaround Guys |
Posted - 2005.12.22 08:02:00 -
[105] ive been tracking macros/isk farmers around the Heimatar region for a few weeks now, i have a list of about 40 names stored. but most of them i suspect are farmers and i havent been able to kill any yet, i think they taught the lil chinese kids to click no on any warnings that pop up... |
Jared VonBargen Caldari Knockaround Guys |
Posted - 2005.12.22 08:02:00 -
[106] ive been tracking macros/isk farmers around the Heimatar region for a few weeks now, i have a list of about 40 names stored. but most of them i suspect are farmers and i havent been able to kill any yet, i think they taught the lil chinese kids to click no on any warnings that pop up... |
Alfarin |
Posted - 2005.12.22 08:44:00 -
[107]
Hiya Frank, Sorry to hear that they're still a problem in Osmon, but sounds like you're enjoying yourself! Heh, I can imagine Kal going nuts if he saw them! I'll give this macrointel channel a try later. Alf -- FutureFalcon EVE Tools |
 Alfarin Doomheim |
Posted - 2005.12.22 08:44:00 -
[108]
Hiya Frank, Sorry to hear that they're still a problem in Osmon, but sounds like you're enjoying yourself! Heh, I can imagine Kal going nuts if he saw them! I'll give this macrointel channel a try later. Alf -- Future Falcon EVE Tools |
Alfarin Doomheim |
Posted - 2005.12.22 08:44:00 -
[109]
Hiya Frank, Sorry to hear that they're still a problem in Osmon, but sounds like you're enjoying yourself! Heh, I can imagine Kal going nuts if he saw them! I'll give this macrointel channel a try later. Alf -- Future Falcon EVE Tools |
Wet Ferret |
Posted - 2005.12.22 12:45:00 -
[110]
Fortunately, many of the haulers will eventually take from your cans. They can either forget about what you've stolen or take the risk of losing a hauler by taking it and trying to warp away. Personally, I just sit and wait. I took out two haulers last night just by sitting 20kms away until the hauler ran out of patience. Make sure you have a scrambler though... I find that hunting MMs in low sec is more likely to result in you getting fired upon, because they expect to be engaged by rats already. I warped in on a ferox miner that was fighting off a few rats, and went to one of the loot cans and stole what was inside, then quickly targeted the ferox. It wasted no time in targeting me and firing... probably not realizing I was a player until it was too late I was ganged with another fellow who managed the exact same thing. |
Wet Ferret |
Posted - 2005.12.22 12:45:00 -
[111]
Fortunately, many of the haulers will eventually take from your cans. They can either forget about what you've stolen or take the risk of losing a hauler by taking it and trying to warp away. Personally, I just sit and wait. I took out two haulers last night just by sitting 20kms away until the hauler ran out of patience. Make sure you have a scrambler though... I find that hunting MMs in low sec is more likely to result in you getting fired upon, because they expect to be engaged by rats already. I warped in on a ferox miner that was fighting off a few rats, and went to one of the loot cans and stole what was inside, then quickly targeted the ferox. It wasted no time in targeting me and firing... probably not realizing I was a player until it was too late I was ganged with another fellow who managed the exact same thing. |
Wet Ferret |
Posted - 2005.12.22 12:45:00 -
[112]
Fortunately, many of the haulers will eventually take from your cans. They can either forget about what you've stolen or take the risk of losing a hauler by taking it and trying to warp away. Personally, I just sit and wait. I took out two haulers last night just by sitting 20kms away until the hauler ran out of patience. Make sure you have a scrambler though... I find that hunting MMs in low sec is more likely to result in you getting fired upon, because they expect to be engaged by rats already. I warped in on a ferox miner that was fighting off a few rats, and went to one of the loot cans and stole what was inside, then quickly targeted the ferox. It wasted no time in targeting me and firing... probably not realizing I was a player until it was too late I was ganged with another fellow who managed the exact same thing. |
Kilosher Silgen |
Posted - 2005.12.22 13:40:00 -
[113]
Can anybody confirm this - I would love this to work! Be even better if worked on their ships as well, give em a little tow into the nearest sun |
 Kilosher Silgen |
Posted - 2005.12.22 13:40:00 -
[114]
Can anybody confirm this - I would love this to work! Be even better if worked on their ships as well, give em a little tow into the nearest sun |
Kilosher Silgen |
Posted - 2005.12.22 13:40:00 -
[115]
Can anybody confirm this - I would love this to work! Be even better if worked on their ships as well, give em a little tow into the nearest sun |
Jennai |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:01:00 -
[116]
no, it only works on your own cans ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:01:00 -
[117]
no, it only works on your own cans |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:01:00 -
[118]
no, it only works on your own cans |
Bagdh Dearg |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:03:00 -
[119]
Really,I was able to move a can of a person who wasnt in my corp but was in my gang. Ill have to test it with someone not in my gang but I dont see why it wouldnt work. _______________________________________________ An tT nach bhfuil lßidir nf folßir d= bheith glic -He who is not strong must be crafty |
Bagdh Dearg Minmatar Big Bird Industries |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:03:00 -
[120]
Really,I was able to move a can of a person who wasnt in my corp but was in my gang. Ill have to test it with someone not in my gang but I dont see why it wouldnt work. _______________________________________________ -He who is not strong must be crafty |
Bagdh Dearg Minmatar Big Bird Industries |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:03:00 -
[121]
Really,I was able to move a can of a person who wasnt in my corp but was in my gang. Ill have to test it with someone not in my gang but I dont see why it wouldnt work. _______________________________________________ -He who is not strong must be crafty |
Jennai |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:13:00 -
[122]
by "own cans" I mean you, corp, gang, and npc cans belonging to you, corp, and gang. basically you can only move cans that you wouldn't get flagged for taking from. ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:13:00 -
[123]
by "own cans" I mean you, corp, gang, and npc cans belonging to you, corp, and gang. basically you can only move cans that you wouldn't get flagged for taking from. |
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium Bad Company. |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:13:00 -
[124]
by "own cans" I mean you, corp, gang, and npc cans belonging to you, corp, and gang. basically you can only move cans that you wouldn't get flagged for taking from. |
SilKKZ the3rd |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:30:00 -
[125] Hi guys. I had a good time last nite hunting macro miners down around the Luminaire area. Now, I understand how to get the hauler flaged, but one of the guys with me got to get one of the barge flaged (my first kill in the op btw). I would like to know how its done cause I have my Manticore ready for them tonite. |
SilKKZ the3rd Caldari Tides of Silence SMASH Alliance |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:30:00 -
[126] Hi guys. I had a good time last nite hunting macro miners down around the Luminaire area. Now, I understand how to get the hauler flaged, but one of the guys with me got to get one of the barge flaged (my first kill in the op btw). I would like to know how its done cause I have my Manticore ready for them tonite. |
SilKKZ the3rd Caldari Tides of Silence SMASH Alliance |
Posted - 2005.12.22 14:30:00 -
[127] Hi guys. I had a good time last nite hunting macro miners down around the Luminaire area. Now, I understand how to get the hauler flaged, but one of the guys with me got to get one of the barge flaged (my first kill in the op btw). I would like to know how its done cause I have my Manticore ready for them tonite. |
Nyphur |
Posted - 2005.12.22 15:33:00 -
[128] CCP have neither the time nor the resources to police the game for macroers. They can only handle reports from players and confirm them, they can't actively seek them out. Also, people are assuming mining is the only macroable thing in eve. Other games have prven that a good enough programmer can macro anything. In Everquest we have bots macroing combat - they sit in a certain area, wait for a rare monster to spawn, kill it and take the loot. What tools does CCP have against macroers in general? Are they still just going on player reports? |
 Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate |
Posted - 2005.12.22 15:33:00 -
[129] CCP have neither the time nor the resources to police the game for macroers. They can only handle reports from players and confirm them, they can't actively seek them out. Also, people are assuming mining is the only macroable thing in eve. Other games have prven that a good enough programmer can macro anything. In Everquest we have bots macroing combat - they sit in a certain area, wait for a rare monster to spawn, kill it and take the loot. What tools does CCP have against macroers in general? Are they still just going on player reports? Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate |
Posted - 2005.12.22 15:33:00 -
[130] CCP have neither the time nor the resources to police the game for macroers. They can only handle reports from players and confirm them, they can't actively seek them out. Also, people are assuming mining is the only macroable thing in eve. Other games have prven that a good enough programmer can macro anything. In Everquest we have bots macroing combat - they sit in a certain area, wait for a rare monster to spawn, kill it and take the loot. What tools does CCP have against macroers in general? Are they still just going on player reports? Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Contrail |
Posted - 2005.12.23 02:42:00 -
[131] 2005.12.23 01:38 Victim: Thier Alliance: None Corp: Imperial Academy Destroyed: Apocalypse System: Khopa Security: 0.8 Involved parties: Name: Xanath Fireheart Security: 5.1 Alliance: None Corp: Under Heavy Fire Ship: Harpy Weapon: Harpy Name: Losten79 Security: 3.8 Alliance: None Corp: Nordic Freelancers inc Ship: Retribution Weapon: Retribution Name: Contrail (laid the final blow) Security: 0.5 Alliance: None Corp: Cairdeas Ship: Ferox Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Name: YodaDuke Security: 1.3 Alliance: None Corp: Nova V industries Ship: Caracal Weapon: 'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I Name: phishstik Security: 0.1 Alliance: None Corp: Hammer Of Light Ship: Vexor Weapon: Vexor Name: CrowBar2 Security: -0.8 Alliance: None Corp: Nordic Freelancers inc Ship: Harpy Weapon: 125mm Railgun II Name: Sansha's Scavenger / True Power Destroyed items: Infrared S, Qty: 7 (Cargo) Xray S Dual Modal Pulse Laser I Microwave S, Qty: 9 (Cargo) Sanshas Radio S (Cargo) Sanshas Standard S (Cargo) Berserker I (Cargo) Infrared S, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Ultraviolet S Multifrequency S Multifrequency S Overdrive Injector System I Overdrive Injector System I Civilian Shield Booster I Dual Light Beam Laser I Basic Explosion Dampening Amplifier Small Hull Repairer I Gatling Afocal Maser I Ultraviolet S Xray S (Cargo) Radio S (Cargo) Radio S (Cargo) Sansha Copper Tag (Cargo) Asymmetric Energy Succor I (Cargo) |
 Contrail Caldari Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2005.12.23 02:42:00 -
[132] 2005.12.23 01:38 Victim: Thier Alliance: None Corp: Imperial Academy Destroyed: Apocalypse System: Khopa Security: 0.8 Involved parties: Name: Xanath Fireheart Security: 5.1 Alliance: None Corp: Under Heavy Fire Ship: Harpy Weapon: Harpy Name: Losten79 Security: 3.8 Alliance: None Corp: Nordic Freelancers inc Ship: Retribution Weapon: Retribution Name: Contrail (laid the final blow) Security: 0.5 Alliance: None Corp: Cairdeas Ship: Ferox Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Name: YodaDuke Security: 1.3 Alliance: None Corp: Nova V industries Ship: Caracal Weapon: 'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I Name: phishstik Security: 0.1 Alliance: None Corp: Hammer Of Light Ship: Vexor Weapon: Vexor Name: CrowBar2 Security: -0.8 Alliance: None Corp: Nordic Freelancers inc Ship: Harpy Weapon: 125mm Railgun II Name: Sansha's Scavenger / True Power Destroyed items: Infrared S, Qty: 7 (Cargo) Xray S Dual Modal Pulse Laser I Microwave S, Qty: 9 (Cargo) Sanshas Radio S (Cargo) Sanshas Standard S (Cargo) Berserker I (Cargo) Infrared S, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Ultraviolet S Multifrequency S Multifrequency S Overdrive Injector System I Overdrive Injector System I Civilian Shield Booster I Dual Light Beam Laser I Basic Explosion Dampening Amplifier Small Hull Repairer I Gatling Afocal Maser I Ultraviolet S Xray S (Cargo) Radio S (Cargo) Radio S (Cargo) Sansha Copper Tag (Cargo) Asymmetric Energy Succor I (Cargo) |
Contrail Caldari Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2005.12.23 02:42:00 -
[133] 2005.12.23 01:38 Victim: Thier Alliance: None Corp: Imperial Academy Destroyed: Apocalypse System: Khopa Security: 0.8 Involved parties: Name: Xanath Fireheart Security: 5.1 Alliance: None Corp: Under Heavy Fire Ship: Harpy Weapon: Harpy Name: Losten79 Security: 3.8 Alliance: None Corp: Nordic Freelancers inc Ship: Retribution Weapon: Retribution Name: Contrail (laid the final blow) Security: 0.5 Alliance: None Corp: Cairdeas Ship: Ferox Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile Name: YodaDuke Security: 1.3 Alliance: None Corp: Nova V industries Ship: Caracal Weapon: 'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I Name: phishstik Security: 0.1 Alliance: None Corp: Hammer Of Light Ship: Vexor Weapon: Vexor Name: CrowBar2 Security: -0.8 Alliance: None Corp: Nordic Freelancers inc Ship: Harpy Weapon: 125mm Railgun II Name: Sansha's Scavenger / True Power Destroyed items: Infrared S, Qty: 7 (Cargo) Xray S Dual Modal Pulse Laser I Microwave S, Qty: 9 (Cargo) Sanshas Radio S (Cargo) Sanshas Standard S (Cargo) Berserker I (Cargo) Infrared S, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Ultraviolet S Multifrequency S Multifrequency S Overdrive Injector System I Overdrive Injector System I Civilian Shield Booster I Dual Light Beam Laser I Basic Explosion Dampening Amplifier Small Hull Repairer I Gatling Afocal Maser I Ultraviolet S Xray S (Cargo) Radio S (Cargo) Radio S (Cargo) Sansha Copper Tag (Cargo) Asymmetric Energy Succor I (Cargo) |
Arcsine |
Posted - 2005.12.23 03:28:00 -
[134]
What made this so great was that so many people helped out. Very Good Work Mates, and lotsa fun. |
 Arcsine Minmatar Perturbation And Nuance Technology |
Posted - 2005.12.23 03:28:00 -
[135]
What made this so great was that so many people helped out. Very Good Work Mates, and lotsa fun. |
Arcsine Minmatar Perturbation And Nuance Technology |
Posted - 2005.12.23 03:28:00 -
[136]
What made this so great was that so many people helped out. Very Good Work Mates, and lotsa fun. |
 OvErLoDe Amarr Caldari Macrominer Waste Management |
Posted - 2007.01.29 19:19:00 -
[137] To sort out the problem of knowing if someone has taken your ore open your overview settings and go to colour tags. Check the one with the red skull ( i cant for the life of me think what it is, possibly show -10 security status or show horrible standing) . Look at your local chat list if you have warped away from the belt and sure enough if a hauler takes your can contents a red skull will appear by his name in the local chat list. I have been hunting macros now for around 2 years clocking up over 350 kill mails. All those that are interested in following this career path join channel Macrointel. Hope this helps. |
OvErLoDe Amarr Caldari Macrominer Waste Management |
Posted - 2007.01.29 19:19:00 -
[138] To sort out the problem of knowing if someone has taken your ore open your overview settings and go to colour tags. Check the one with the red skull ( i cant for the life of me think what it is, possibly show -10 security status or show horrible standing) . Look at your local chat list if you have warped away from the belt and sure enough if a hauler takes your can contents a red skull will appear by his name in the local chat list. I have been hunting macros now for around 2 years clocking up over 350 kill mails. All those that are interested in following this career path join channel Macrointel. Hope this helps. |
 Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance |
Posted - 2007.01.29 19:24:00 -
[139]
wow you necro 0_o |
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance |
Posted - 2007.01.29 19:24:00 -
[140]
wow you necro 0_o |
 Devil Hanzo Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department  |
Posted - 2007.01.29 19:56:00 -
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