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Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:29:00 - [1] We've heard a lot recently about various organisations importing "adult" holovids into the Empire and claiming that their activites are legal because Imperial customs vessels do not stop them. Those who say that the importation of degenerate filth into the Empire is legal because customs vessels do not stop them are forgetting something, however... When it ID tags cargo, the SCC does not differentiate between religious holovids and the sick and twisted material produced by Gallente studios. As such, when a customs vessel scans a ship's cargo, all they see are holovids, and so are unable to determine the moral purity of the goods. In effect, it is legal to import holovids into the Empire, even though the subject matter of those same holovids may not be legal. I hereby call upon the SCC to think of the children and introduce a classification system for holovids so that our brave customs officers can carry out their duty. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Tess Durbeyfield	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:43:00 - [2] I for one would welcome this. The other night, I ordered a copy of 'Rock Hard Hunks' for a girls' night in. If it had been classified properly, I might have realised that this was a documentary about the granite monoliths of Nishah and saved a lot of disappointment all round -------------------- "My dear, I'm going to have a pretty lonely walk between this and Kingdom Come. Won't you give me one kiss? It'll be something to keep off the darkness now and then." Bram Stoker, Dracula
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:51:00 - [3] This is not an official GLS responce, I am expressing personal views... I always make sure that any Photesthetics products that are not suitable for children are clearly marked as such in the packaging, any related marketing material and even within the product, wherever appropriate and possible. I believe that the rest of the GLS also follows that practice. Furthermore, not only do I have no desire to provide adult material to children, but I would strongly advise both outlets and parents against it. Therefore I see no reason why a fair and reasonable rating system would be undesirable. Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Socio Path	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:22:00 - [4] Though I find it hilarious that the Gallente Studios are being singled out, I must say that your seeming "morality" and fear for "the children," are totally out of place. How could a child with a small allowance buy such holovids? I'll have you know EVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Socio Path	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:22:00 - [5] Though I find it hilarious that the Gallente Studios are being singled out, I must say that your seeming "morality" and fear for "the children," are totally out of place. How could a child with a small allowance buy such holovids? I'll have you know that my children would rather spend their ISK on games and food. You're attempts at choking free trade with your outmoded concepts of morality are just destructive. And if you're really fearful of children buying such material, why not throw some Vitoc at them. The Amar seem to be very adept at that...
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.19 18:11:00 - [6] Personally, I do not believe in shielding children from certain material. Instead, I believe in teaching them about such material so that if they view it, they can understand it properly. However, it is not the place of the SCC to enforce that viewpoint on the public. Above all else, parents have the right and responsibility to raise their children properly. A think the SCC should support a system that does not necessarily judge media as "fit" or "unfit" for children, but rather explains the content so that parents should make an informed decision. --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
Gorion Wassenar	Posted - 2005.12.19 18:19:00 - [7] Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 19/12/2005 18:19:26 Last time I checked, children didn't buy thing directly from orbition vessels. As all non pilots, children are forced to buy from terestrial holovid distibutors which I certainly hope have a raiting system. (Edited: Spelling ftw!) ------------------ CEO of TKI Public Channel: TKI-Net http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=37594&TabID=333614
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.19 18:41:00 - [8] Nikolai, are you happy for Minmatar holovid documentaries alledging malpractice by Caldari corporations to be allowed into the State? Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Hayzo	Posted - 2005.12.19 18:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Rodj Blake Nikolai, are you happy for Minmatar holovid documentaries alledging malpractice by Caldari corporations to be allowed into the State? Remind me why Caldari would buy them. ____________________ "Your safe Boundaries were once unknown frontiers" Join channel: TKI-Net
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:00:00 - [10] I have a question for PIE Inc... Assuming there actually is a ratings system, do you plan to request that all material classified as 'adult only' be illegal in the Empire and only allow those that are suitable for children? Do you really have such a low opinion of the decision making ability of the Amarr citizens? Or, rather, are you really so afraid that the Amarr citizens may actually have a decision making ability? Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:29:00 - [11] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/12/2005 19:33:47 Originally by: Shemar I have a question for PIE Inc... Assuming there actually is a ratings system, do you plan to request that all material classified as 'adult only' be illegal in the Empire and only allow those that are suitable for children? Do you really have such a low opinion of the decision making ability of the Amarr citizens? Or, rather, are you really so afraid that the Amarr citizens may actually have a decision making ability? A lot of what you describe as "adult only" material is already illegal in the Empire. Anyway, I could say exactly the same thing about dangerous drugs. Do you think that crash should be legal because anyone with a good decision making ability will avoid it anyway? At the end of the day, decent people do not want filth around them in the same way as they don't want drugs. If this sort of depraved holovid were legal, no doubt foreigners in the Empire would display it openly, thus offending the upright Imperial subjects. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:40:00 - [12] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/12/2005 19:40:46 Originally by: Hayzo Originally by: Rodj Blake Nikolai, are you happy for Minmatar holovid documentaries alledging malpractice by Caldari corporations to be allowed into the State? Remind me why Caldari would buy them. Even the most loyal of Caldari citizens might buy anti-State propaganda if they are misled about its contents. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Rodj Blake I could say exactly the same thing about dangerous drugs. Do you think that crash should be legal because anyone with a good decision making ability will avoid it anyway? Do you really think that anyone wanting to use crash has any serious deterrent from doing so because it is illegal? Making it illegal only succeeds in black market profiteering, criminal activity and tax income loss. And before you ask, no I have never used any illegal substance, but that is a personal health choice, not one dictated by law (I have spent time in places where law does not exist anyway). This is a personal opinion, by the way. I do not speak for anyone else. Originally by: Rodj Blake At the end of the day, decent people do not want filth around them in the same way as they don't want drugs. If this sort of depraved holovid were legal, no doubt foreigners in the Empire would display it openly, thus offending the upright Imperial subjects. Should I take this as a yes? Do you think that the only material that should be "adult only" is sexual in nature? How about a very realistic and very truthful documentary of the 'first encounter' between Amarr and Matari? How about a holoreel showing how your empire deals with heretics? Are these subjects you would deem appropriate for children to watch? Or probably not want to allow even adults to watch... Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Crackhead Bob	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Rodj Blake We've heard a lot recently about various organisations importing "adult" holovids into the Empire and claiming that their activites are legal because Imperial customs vessels do not stop them. Those who say that the importation of degenerate filth into the Empire is legal because customs vessels do not stop them are forgetting something, however... When it ID tags cargo, the SCC does not differentiate between religious holovids and the sick and twisted material produced by Gallente studios. As such, when a customs vessel scans a ship's cargo, all they see are holovids, and so are unable to determine the moral purity of the goods. In effect, it is legal to import holovids into the Empire, even though the subject matter of those same holovids may not be legal. I hereby call upon the SCC to think of the children and introduce a classification system for holovids so that our brave customs officers can carry out their duty. Why do you wish to hamper free trade with such talk about "morality?" You're argument of "protecting children" holds no water and is just another Amarr conceit that makes you believe that what you think is right is right for everyone! And if morality is the issue here, I believe an Amarr is the last race to tell the rest of US about "morality."
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:51:00 - [15] Originally by: ***head Bob And if morality is the issue here, I believe an Amarr is the last race to tell the rest of US about "morality." The beauty of my proposal, **head, is that under it non-Amarrian nations are free to import whatever obscenities they wish. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori*
Crackhead Bob	Posted - 2005.12.19 20:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: ***head Bob And if morality is the issue here, I believe an Amarr is the last race to tell the rest of US about "morality." The beauty of my proposal, ***head, is that under it non-Amarrian nations are free to import whatever obscenities they wish. Any attempt at locking out free trade is an affront to everyone. People of the Amarr, Caldari, whomever! Don't bring you're grievances to the governing bodies if you're own people are lacking in some way. There's enough beauracracy right now. you're proposal will create more and taxes will go up. Taxes go up and so will inflation. And so on and so forth. Bring you're grievances to your fellows if they don't measure up to your preconcieved notions! Plus, aren't there even more important things that require one's attention in your empire than a couple of holo's? Is this an attempt to deflect the rest of us from the problems your current government is facing?
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.19 20:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Rodj Blake Nikolai, are you happy for Minmatar holovid documentaries alledging malpractice by Caldari corporations to be allowed into the State? Of course I'm not happy about it, but that doesn't mean that it's the SCC's job to regulate such filth. What does that have to do with what I was saying anyway? And I don't think "documentary" is the correct word here... --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.19 20:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Rodj Blake Nikolai, are you happy for Minmatar holovid documentaries alledging malpractice by Caldari corporations to be allowed into the State? Of course I'm not happy about it, but that doesn't mean that it's the SCC's job to regulate such filth. What does that have to do with what I was saying anyway? And I'm not saying that it's the SCC's job either. All that I'm asking of the SCC is that they classify holovids. It would then be up to the national authorities to decide what regulations to impose. As things stand, customs from all four major nations are effectively forced by the SCC to accept all holovids, no matter what their content. My proposal would end this. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.12.19 20:19:00 - [19] They're checked at distribution, I assume. [Now with MIND BULLETS!]
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.19 20:24:00 - [20] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I think the SCC should support a system that does not necessarily judge media as "fit" or "unfit" for children, but rather explains the content so that parents should make an informed decision. Originally by: Rodj Blake All that I'm asking of the SCC is that they classify holovids. It would then be up to the national authorities to decide what regulations to impose. As things stand, customs from all four major nations are effectively forced by the SCC to accept all holovids, no matter what their content. My proposal would end this. I'm sorry, I should clarify. There should be a system to explain content so that any authorities, be it parents or governments, can make informed decisions. --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
Crackhead Bob	Posted - 2005.12.19 20:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I think the SCC should support a system that does not necessarily judge media as "fit" or "unfit" for children, but rather explains the content so that parents should make an informed decision. Originally by: Rodj Blake All that I'm asking of the SCC is that they classify holovids. It would then be up to the national authorities to decide what regulations to impose. As things stand, customs from all four major nations are effectively forced by the SCC to accept all holovids, no matter what their content. My proposal would end this. I'm sorry, I should clarify. There should be a system to explain content so that any authorities, be it parents or governments, can make informed decisions. There should be no need to flag mass cargo. When these packages reach consumers, they aren't distributed blindly. After all, do holo-stores sell holos with no labels? I think not. Parents will not be taking children to Adult sections of Holo stores. And since the Amarr are such "moral" people, the shop keepers dirtside won't sell to the kiddies either. All this plan does is create more red tape. More attempts at controlling something that doesn't need control. In the end it drives costs up for no reason, other than to satisfy some people's prejudices and gut reactions.
Loth Kothl	Posted - 2005.12.19 20:53:00 - [22] Will you please stop speaking about hampering freetrade. It is the sole desicion of each empire to decide what items may be legally imported and what should be confiscated and destroyed. A rating system that allows scans to determine whether a holoreel is legal or not needs to be implemented. And any reel not rated would also be confiscated. Otherwise I see no other option but to impose a total ban on import of holoreels into Amarr space. This would also do wonders for the trade balance.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:05:00 - [23] Those people arguing that my proposal would hamper freetrade should consider the following... As things stand all holoreels are classifed the same as each other (with the exception of Quafe promotional material and election broadcasts for the Gallentean elections). That means that a trader has no way of knowing if he's importing the latest holovids or ones that are ten years old. Clearly, one sort of holovid is worth more to a planetside distributor than the other, as there is more demand for recent material. I'm sure that all of the free trade experts won't need me to explain to them why this imbalance is bad for the market. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Crackhead Bob	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:19:00 - [24] It would hamper free trade because the planetside merchant knows what he was buying. The government does not need to track everything in such detail. This type of scheme is either to track products so that they can be targetted and banned much more readily or for the creation of more beauracracy. Both are bad. If the Amarr want to regulate something, do it from the ground. SCC shouldn't be tasked to do more than it already is doing. Or imposing more than it already has. And for a trader, it shouldn't matter what he's importing. It's not the SCC that has to add a rating system. It's dirtside government that has regulate it. No trader would run around with even 1m3 of material between systems (much less empires) if someone on that side wasn't offering good Isk. The Amarr merchants on planetside are at fault if you feel that the peddling of such material is wrong. they're ordering it after all.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:26:00 - [25] Who are you to decide what is filth and what is not. Is it not natural? how about the holoreels of combat? Do you enjoy watching footage of ones such as myself murder others in cold blood, yet cringe at the mere sight of a bit of human flesh? Priorities my friend.. Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:28:00 - [26] Originally by: *****head Bob And since the Amarr are such "moral" people, the shop keepers dirtside won't sell to the kiddies either. The Amarr won't sell it to anyone, because such pathetic films are not allowed in their Empire. If they order 50 units of holofilms, and half of them are adult vids, then they've just lost quite a bit of possible profit. The Gallente selling such film to the Amarr shows that they have no respect for the laws of other empires. Not suprising really. Atleast when the Gallente elect Blaque, he'll cause their downfall and maybe they'll learn after their 2nd or 3rd major mistake. ------------------------------------ Inappropriate signature -zhuge
Locla	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:41:00 - [27] Edited by: Locla on 19/12/2005 21:41:37
Loth Kothl	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:42:00 - [28] Originally by: ParMizaN Who are you to decide what is filth and what is not. Is it not natural? how about the holoreels of combat? Do you enjoy watching footage of ones such as myself murder others in cold blood, yet cringe at the mere sight of a bit of human flesh? Priorities my friend.. It is not a matter of it being filth - which it is - or not. These sort of reels are illeagal. And exploiting limitations in custom official security is a heinous crime. Therefor I must again stress the need for a rating system allowing custom officials to do their job, keeping this filth out of Amarr territories
Merv Tring	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia If they order 50 units of holofilms, and half of them are adult vids, then they've just lost quite a bit of possible profit. Are you saying that Amarrian shopkeepers simply buy holoreels in bulk? Please. Say what you will about the mental acuity of the average Amarrian, but I doubt that even they would be so dumb. The fact that erotica sells within Amarr space shows that there is a market for it. Maybe, just maybe, not all Amarrians have the opinions or views that their government tells them to. ---------------------------------- "Out ride the sons of Terra, Far Drives the thundring jet, Up leaps the race of Earthmen, Out, far, and onward yet-"
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:52:00 - [30] I think what amuses me most of all is that a proud Amarrian paramilitary who hithertofore would have spat on the name of CONCORD is here calling for an agency of CONCORD to assist his corporation in its prudish and quite absurd campaign against materials it deems to be less than morally pure. How the mighty have fallen: from smiting terrorists, pirates and heretical cults to sorting through the smalls drawer. The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction

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