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Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:04:00 - [31] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia The Amarr won't sell it to anyone, because such pathetic films are not allowed in their Empire. If they order 50 units of holofilms, and half of them are adult vids, then they've just lost quite a bit of possible profit. The Gallente selling such film to the Amarr shows that they have no respect for the laws of other empires. Not suprising really. What a ridiculous notion, that just because the bulk freight is classified as 'holoreels' for customs inspection purposes, the actual buyer does not know exactly what they are buying. What we ship is precisely what the buyer ordered. Nothing more, nothing less. Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Vendrin	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:16:00 - [32] The Amarr Empire is free to establish what is legal and illegal to be brought into their borders. At the Caldari's States request they do not bring slave labour into Caldari borders. I do not feel it is to much to ask that if the Amarr wish to have these items classified as illegal. Let them, and cease the transportation of this material into their borders. Anything else would merely cause tension between goverments and corporations that could have been avoided.
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Vendrin The Amarr Empire is free to establish what is legal and illegal to be brought into their borders. At the Caldari's States request they do not bring slave labour into Caldari borders. I do not feel it is to much to ask that if the Amarr wish to have these items classified as illegal. Let them, and cease the transportation of this material into their borders. Anything else would merely cause tension between goverments and corporations that could have been avoided. I of course cannot speak for everyone, but I assure you that the GLS is not in the business of violating laws. If our products do get classified as illegal we will stop direct sales in Amarr territory of products classified as such. As of this moment, none of the GLS products are classified as such, regardless of what a band of paramilitary fanatics will have you believe. Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:34:00 - [34] Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 19/12/2005 22:35:10 this is not an issue of free trade. this is not an issue of freedom of choice. this is an issue of abusing the term "religious material" to import otherwise illegal goods into the empire to undermine the moral of the amarr citizens. this is an issue of trying to dictate your rotten ideas of moral and freedom on us! it is your cries that always try to reach me from under the heel of my boot to grant you freedom and not impose my views on you. now you come along and try to impose your ideas on my society! you attack us for being superior over you! i ignored you. for your own benefit i let you moan and pile lies and hate on my beloved empire. you do not understand our idea of moral and i can not claim i do understand yours. but let me tell you that it would be better if you ignored mine as much as i ignore yours and let the act of ballance this peace represents continue. rechoice! stop the sale of ****ography in the amarr empire. if fallen ones decide to get them outside the amarr borders and take them to their homes for personal pleasure so be it. they will be cleansed in time anyway. ((edit: spellcheck is your friend mkay)) _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Ethidium Bromide this is an issue of abusing the term "religious material" to import otherwise illegal goods into the empire to undermine the moral of the amarr citizens. This is a completely false assumption and I have explained it enough times here. So why do I bother? Well, since you are obviously referring to my GLS Calendar product, I see no reason not to shamelessly use all the publicity you PIE boys are throwng my way and promote my product. And for the wonderful opportunity you gave me, you also make the lucky list of those that get a free Calendar. Have a lovely day. Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:50:00 - [36] let me rephrase "illegal" to "harmfull for the weak souls, seduced by the promise of quick money, that i strive to protect with my very life if need be or eridicate if they fall for the false prophets" _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
Kaleigh Doyle	Posted - 2005.12.20 01:49:00 - [37] If the SCC and/or Empire Customs authorities decide our products are illegal for purchase or distribution within the Amarr territories, then the Syndicate will abide by those rules. However, the likelyhood of getting a response from any authority figure within either organization is about as likely as me being the next president of the Federation. It appears bureaucracy has some usefulness afterall. Nevertheless, its good to see your organization making an attempt at following official channels rather than brandishing torches and pitchforks like an unruly mob. You may yet live up to the nobility you so frequently assert. xoxo
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.12.20 01:56:00 - [38] Anyone who wants a copy of daakkon on trey, evemail me an offer. King Liu is RIGHT!!
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.20 08:25:00 - [39] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 20/12/2005 08:25:23 Originally by: Merv Tring The fact that erotica sells within Amarr space shows that there is a market for it. Maybe, just maybe, not all Amarrians have the opinions or views that their government tells them to. But does so-called erotica really sell within the Empire? Outside of a few bootleg holovids sold to mostly non-Amarrian pilots by the filth merchants of the GLS, how much is really sold? Without a classification system you cannot know. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:05:00 - [40] Quote: Anyone who wants a copy of daakkon on trey, evemail me an offer. Good luck marketing that one __________________________ Indulge Me
Vendrin	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Vendrin The Amarr Empire is free to establish what is legal and illegal to be brought into their borders. At the Caldari's States request they do not bring slave labour into Caldari borders. I do not feel it is to much to ask that if the Amarr wish to have these items classified as illegal. Let them, and cease the transportation of this material into their borders. Anything else would merely cause tension between goverments and corporations that could have been avoided. I of course cannot speak for everyone, but I assure you that the GLS is not in the business of violating laws. If our products do get classified as illegal we will stop direct sales in Amarr territory of products classified as such. As of this moment, none of the GLS products are classified as such, regardless of what a band of paramilitary fanatics will have you believe. The Amarr Empire has classified those products illegal even if Concord has not. That should be enough. But of course for Gallenteans, it never is.
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:39:00 - [42] Edited by: Lorna Doone on 20/12/2005 12:39:00 Originally by: Vendrin The Amarr Empire has classified those products illegal even if Concord has not. That should be enough. But of course for Gallenteans, it never is. The customs officers patrolling the gates of Amarr systems are there to prevent the import of goods that the Amarr Empire has declared illegal. It is therefore a reasonable assumption that if they allow them in, they are legal within the Amarr Empire. Now, I'm in no place to lecture on how to run an empire, but I'd have thought that providing your customs officers with a full and up to date list of all illegal goods would be fairly high up on the 'to do' list. --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Sarkos	Posted - 2005.12.20 13:17:00 - [43] I find it confusing that the Amarr that allow incoming slave deliveries, regardless of where or how these slaves were procured, would balk at some holovids. Perhaps all the talk I have heard over the years of the virility of Brutor means that with slaves used for this there is no need for holovids? In the past I have also seen and heard of certain PIE Admirals having affairs with many Gallente ladies, and being a constant visitor of places such as Le Maison. What hypocracy I now hear from people that consume so much spiced wine they have been escorted home by menbers of Ushra'Khan, because we felt the kill would soil our honor. The drunkeness and debauchery of PIE members have long been recorded , but NOW they feel so morally just they attack the free trade into the Amarr Empire. If you want the laws changed, go to your own government and have the custom laws altered. Frankly though, in my own humble opinion, the people of the Amarr Empire need the very sort of entertainment you oppose. And hey, if the holovids can be imported, it must be God's will. :) Sarkos Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Loth Kothl	Posted - 2005.12.20 13:18:00 - [44] Originally by: Lorna Doone The customs officers patrolling the gates of Amarr systems are there to prevent the import of goods that the Amarr Empire has declared illegal. It is therefore a reasonable assumption that if they allow them in, they are legal within the Amarr Empire. Now, I'm in no place to lecture on how to run an empire, but I'd have thought that providing your customs officers with a full and up to date list of all illegal goods would be fairly high up on the 'to do' list. That's just the point. There currently is NO way to scan for these sort of materials. All that show up on the scans is "Holoreels". That is why an electronic scanable rating system needs to be implemented to keep out illegal reels
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.20 14:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Rodj Blake But does so-called erotica really sell within the Empire? Outside of a few bootleg holovids sold to mostly non-Amarrian pilots by the filth merchants of the GLS, how much is really sold? If that is the case then why all the fuss? Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.20 19:46:00 - [46] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 20/12/2005 19:46:29 Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Rodj Blake But does so-called erotica really sell within the Empire? Outside of a few bootleg holovids sold to mostly non-Amarrian pilots by the filth merchants of the GLS, how much is really sold? If that is the case then why all the fuss? Because even just one disgusting holoreel is one disgusting holoreel too many. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.20 21:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Rodj Blake Because even just one disgusting holoreel is one disgusting holoreel too many. So are you saying there is nothing better to do with PIE Inc. resources and manpower than chasing after a (very small by your accounts) number of holoreels? Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Vendrin	Posted - 2005.12.20 21:05:00 - [48] And you are saying there is nothing better for GLS to do except for to continue to instigate tension with the Amarr Empire and transport what are illegal items considered by the Empire, even if not by Concord?
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.20 21:12:00 - [49] I just want to state that I am very upset with GLS. Loyal, reliable consumers of p*rnography like me are being neglected so that you can bicker with PIE personally. Don't worry, we'll handle this. You go do your job, and we'll do ours. --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.20 21:22:00 - [50] Originally by: Vendrin And you are saying there is nothing better for GLS to do except for to continue to instigate tension with the Amarr Empire and transport what are illegal items considered by the Empire, even if not by Concord? I have never had any problems trasporting our products to Amarr stations and selling them to local merchants. No Amarr customs official ever stopped me. Looking up our products categories and their legality in Amarr, I see them as perfectly legal. I suggest you at least make an effort to research facts first in the future. Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.20 21:25:00 - [51] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I just want to state that I am very upset with GLS. Loyal, reliable consumers of p*rnography like me are being neglected so that you can bicker with PIE personally. Don't worry, we'll handle this. You go do your job, and we'll do ours. I assure you that you are not being neglected. New products are in the works as we speak. I think the upcoming 3-part feature "Prisoners of Lust" will be of special interest to you Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.20 21:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Shemar I have never had any problems trasporting our products to Amarr stations and selling them to local merchants. No Amarr customs official ever stopped me. Looking up our products categories and their legality in Amarr, I see them as perfectly legal. I suggest you at least make an effort to research facts first in the future. Which takes us back to my original point. Because the SCC lumps all holoreels without anything to do with Quafe and the Gallente elections together, customs officers cannot act to uphold the law. You may see your products as perfectly legal, but then producers of far worse also see their merchandise as perfectly legal. Just because customs officers are unable to determine if the contents of your holoreels are legal, it does not follow that they actually are legal. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.20 22:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Rodj Blake You may see your products as perfectly legal, but then producers of far worse also see their merchandise as perfectly legal. Just because customs officers are unable to determine if the contents of your holoreels are legal, it does not follow that they actually are legal. You will excuse me if I do not take your word over my official product legality list on what is legal and what is not. Until such time that any of our products, specifically or by category, are declared as illegal by the authorities, they are legal. That is all there is to it. Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Ardipithecus Ramidus	Posted - 2005.12.21 03:18:00 - [54] Perhaps the solution to all of this would be to ban transport of Holoreels except by certified distributors that have certified filth-free cargoes? Quite frankly, I would personally support an effort to ban importation of all holoreels, since apparently any compromise is seen as a hardship by the distributors. Bypass the SCC completely. It is only a matter of time before this is dealt with permanently, anyway. I've seen too many Republic Navy ships assaulting Amarrian outposts well within our borders to have much patience with their civilian purveyors of filth. This is just my opinion, but this issue is simply ridiculous. SCC's system is broken, the same as the rest of CONCORD. The Empire should be free do deal with illegal goods themselves, rather than relying on a collapsing bureaucracy. The discourse on this topic shows that the Gallante will accept nothing more than a total, outright ban of all their goods to resolve this issue. They want an all or nothing deal, and there have been too many concessions made by bureaucrats in the face of provocation, in my personal opinion. I hope that you are able to get through to the SCC about this disregard for sovereignty and local control. I know that PIE has long had ties to the authorities and the ability to make things happen. Perhaps you will win enough others over to support an initiative like this. I have a feeling, however, that CONCORD has too many conflicts of interest in trade to allow us to actually regulate anything. Good luck, though.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.21 21:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Shemar I think the upcoming 3-part feature "Prisoners of Lust" will be of special interest to you That sounds great, any chance of a preview? And how did you know I like long epics? --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
Shemar	Posted - 2005.12.21 21:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari That sounds great, any chance of a preview? I wouldn't want to be accused of derailing this topic You can find advanced information about upcoming products here. Offering previews is a good idea, I will recommend it Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari And how did you know I like long epics? It was a guess. You sound like someone that likes good entertainment in large quantities! Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.12.22 10:44:00 - [57] Legislate that media. Stop freedom of expression and creativity. I would have thought it obvious that material of dubious content gets imported because it gets bought. You know, by those law abiding and moral citizens, who like a bit of ... action in their viewing. If you legislate, all you'll do is drive their import underground and raise prices a little. But more importantly, create a 'line' of naughtiness, that would lead those tempted to stray - break the law once, and they may as well do it again. That said, legislate away. Anything that brings more traffic through the ISS Deep Space trade facilities (Marganis, and soon to be Borealis) is good in my book. Hmm, now there's a thought. Perhaps I need to arrange sightseeing and recreation holidays for citizens of the Empire. -- Lyrus Associates is recruiting
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:00:00 - [58] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 22/12/2005 11:00:47 Originally by: James Lyrus I would have thought it obvious that material of dubious content gets imported because it gets bought. You know, by those law abiding and moral citizens, who like a bit of ... action in their viewing. You're not quite right there. It gets imported because it gets bought by people who who don't know what they're buying. The SCC see no problem whatsoever with classifying Quafe promotions and Gallentean election broadcasts seperately to other types of holoreel. Why can't the classify all holoreels like this? Where is the harm in classifying reels as dramas, religious programmes, sick perversions, or news broadcasts? I'm sure that distributors in the Minmatar Republic would be disappointed if they picked up a consignment of holoreels only to realise later on that instead of the latest action flick they had several thousand copies of Yonis Ardishapur commenting on the Scriptures. My proposaly would prevent this. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:21:00 - [59] Originally by: Rodj Blake [Why can't the classify all holoreels like this? Where is the harm in classifying reels as dramas, religious programmes, sick perversions, or news broadcasts? Somehow, I just find the idea of "Sick Perversions" as an official media category to be both ingenious and hilarious at the same time. --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.12.23 05:24:00 - [60] Originally by: Merv Tring The fact that erotica sells within Amarr space shows that there is a market for it. Maybe, just maybe, not all Amarrians have the opinions or views that their government tells them to. Or maybe there are more than Amarrians flying in the Amarr Empire's systems? I know that when I fly into Amarrian space, I don't suddenly transform into an Amarrian, if such things were the case, I'd have left for the Jovian empire long ago. ------------------------------------ Inappropriate signature -zhuge

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