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Mikhael Hishadartha
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:36:00 -
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As I sit here waiting for my drone skills to get up to par, studying the various drones and drone skill combinations, a thought crossed my mind- RMR made any ship with a 25m3 drone bay an incredibly powerful blockade asset.
While a bay that small can only hold one sentry drone the pilot of the ship, with the appropriate skills, can still control five of them. In normal combat that isn't a big deal, but for the defense of a fixed asset it opens up some interesting possibilities.
1. Cheap little Celestis, or any ship with at least a 25m3 drone bay, parks at asset and deploys single sentry drone.
2. Another ship deploys a sentry drone at the same location and then warps out of system, breaking their control lock.
3. Original pilot scoops sentry drone, activates his control, and deploys it.
4. Lather, rinse, repeat.
With a handy supply of drones in a nearby hanger a small group of cheap cruisers can deploy a web of sentry drones that can give a very warm welcome to anyone warping in. Mix and match some EW and drone control modules on the controlling ships and you get some even more interesting possibilities.
I'm sure I'm not the first one to think of this, but it sure sounds like it would be fun. Well, as long as you weren't the one at the wrong end of the sentry drones. I suspect you wouldn't be having much fun at all.
Cordially, Mikhael Hishadartha
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mikhael Hishadartha As I sit here waiting for my drone skills to get up to par, studying the various drones and drone skill combinations, a thought crossed my mind- RMR made any ship with a 25m3 drone bay an incredibly powerful blockade asset.
While a bay that small can only hold one sentry drone the pilot of the ship, with the appropriate skills, can still control five of them. In normal combat that isn't a big deal, but for the defense of a fixed asset it opens up some interesting possibilities.
1. Cheap little Celestis, or any ship with at least a 25m3 drone bay, parks at asset and deploys single sentry drone.
2. Another ship deploys a sentry drone at the same location and then warps out of system, breaking their control lock.
3. Original pilot scoops sentry drone, activates his control, and deploys it.
4. Lather, rinse, repeat.
With a handy supply of drones in a nearby hanger a small group of cheap cruisers can deploy a web of sentry drones that can give a very warm welcome to anyone warping in. Mix and match some EW and drone control modules on the controlling ships and you get some even more interesting possibilities.
I'm sure I'm not the first one to think of this, but it sure sounds like it would be fun. Well, as long as you weren't the one at the wrong end of the sentry drones. I suspect you wouldn't be having much fun at all.
Cordially, Mikhael Hishadartha
I was thinking on that too. Makes for an interesting tactical situation.
9 ships bring in sentry turrets, someone who can control 10 drones scoops and redeploys them independantly wherever they want using an interceptor after deploying their own. ----------------------------------------------- MAKE THE MACROERS SCREAM |
Jennai
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:40:00 -
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sentries are 25 m3 each so the smallest ship you could use would be ishkur.
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Mikhael Hishadartha
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai sentries are 25 m3 each so the smallest ship you could use would be ishkur.
Small is good, but cheap is even better. I used the Celestis as an example since it's a great little ship, save for it's horrible model, that has some special capabilities that would make a sentry blockade even more effective. A handful of them could control enough sentry drones to brighten anyones day. Heck, with careful drone placement you could even prevent cloakers from being able to get through the blockade without dropping cloak.
Cordially, Mikhael Hishadartha
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Ostor LightDust
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:50:00 -
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Interesting thought. Thanks for that!
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Junren
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:53:00 -
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I was thinking:
High slot: Nosferatu. Low slot: Armor repair
Drone bay: Armor repair drone.
Useage: While your own armor repairers are going, have the armor repair drone orbit (and repair) you. Nosferatu the drone (which has, I think, two billion energy capacity). See where I'm going with this?
What do you think?
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:56:00 -
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This is an exploit. If you are caught exploiting it you will be possibly banned.
I have seen this brought up on the forum before and GMs have said repeatedly its an exploit.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Justus Imperius This is an exploit. If you are caught exploiting it you will be possibly banned.
I have seen this brought up on the forum before and GMs have said repeatedly its an exploit.
Perhaps then, a Dev could come forth and clarify. In the wake of a drone change like this, it's obviously going to come up.
I don't see why it'd be much of an exploit though. The last ship left would effectively be babysitting a minefield. ----------------------------------------------- MAKE THE MACROERS SCREAM |
Junren
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:04:00 -
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Which is an exploit? The OP (Original Poster)'s idea or mine?
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:04:00 -
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It practically does a little jig while singing "Haxploits are here again."
If you plan to try it I'd ask for your stuff, but pretty soon it would be inaccessible anyway.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 20/12/2005 01:10:36
"Which is an exploit? The OP (Original Poster)'s idea or mine?"
If i recall right what was said on test, it's the concept of scooping someone else's drone and then launching it as your own, if it allows to walk around the limitation of drone bay size of one's ship.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:27:00 -
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well, easy enought to code it so no hax will take place, shame on you frikin geeks who want to cheat.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:33:00 -
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this is a well known exploit
was better pre RMR, get a ship that holds say 2 drones, release them, get a mate to come along and dump 15 or so, have him warp away, scoop them and release and voila, you have as many drones you can handle in a ship that can only carry 2.
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Val Amon
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:33:00 -
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Doesnt nosing a drone make him attack you?
and if they had numerous threads about it why haven't I seen them and why havent they fixed the code. Making someone warp away then when they warp back in to find out you have all 9 of his med drones with a taranis is (in theory of course if it is an exploit) funny as hell in my opinion.
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:40:00 -
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Pre-RMR drones had only 1 cap to suck from. But with RMR they have armor rep drones that have cap. So in theory you could suck on them all day and tank. But, I wouldnt consider that an exploit.
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Alexi Borizkova
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mikhael Hishadartha
1. Cheap little Celestis, or any ship with at least a 25m3 drone bay, parks at asset and deploys single sentry drone.
2. Another ship deploys a sentry drone at the same location and then warps out of system, breaking their control lock.
3. Original pilot scoops sentry drone, activates his control, and deploys it.
4. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Yeah, we used to do that with imicus' and a thorax, the 'rax would go get 8 ogres, abandon them, and the imicus would scoop and redeploy them one by one. mad for really cheap disposable defense points.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:54:00 -
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Nobody can controll 10 drones because CCP changed the Drone Controll mods so that only capital ships can have them...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: Mikhael Hishadartha
1. Cheap little Celestis, or any ship with at least a 25m3 drone bay, parks at asset and deploys single sentry drone.
2. Another ship deploys a sentry drone at the same location and then warps out of system, breaking their control lock.
3. Original pilot scoops sentry drone, activates his control, and deploys it.
4. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Yeah, we used to do that with imicus' and a thorax, the 'rax would go get 8 ogres, abandon them, and the imicus would scoop and redeploy them one by one. mad for really cheap disposable defense points.
Kill frigate 2s into fight, you've wasted yout time and a good part of your planned firepower stops.
Shrug. Not bothered :)
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Junren I was thinking:
High slot: Nosferatu. Low slot: Armor repair
Drone bay: Armor repair drone.
Useage: While your own armor repairers are going, have the armor repair drone orbit (and repair) you. Nosferatu the drone (which has, I think, two billion energy capacity). See where I'm going with this?
What do you think?
Have you tried NOS'ng a drone yet? *I tried this post RmR because I'm always hurting for cap when me skills were low, and I could'nt get any energy from drones*
And the OP idea would be an exploit. I think you could do that post Exodus tho, and CCP fixed it. I'm guessing its broke again?
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Ka Dargo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:58:00 -
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I havent tried this post RMR. But I used to use it with my barge mining alt..
1. Send barge out to where Ill be mining. 2. Go out in Megathron, drop 10 heavies. 3. Cycle them through the drone bay of the Covetor.
10 Ogres defending a barge doesnt do to badly :P
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Alexi Borizkova
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Posted - 2005.12.20 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: Mikhael Hishadartha
1. Cheap little Celestis, or any ship with at least a 25m3 drone bay, parks at asset and deploys single sentry drone.
2. Another ship deploys a sentry drone at the same location and then warps out of system, breaking their control lock.
3. Original pilot scoops sentry drone, activates his control, and deploys it.
4. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Yeah, we used to do that with imicus' and a thorax, the 'rax would go get 8 ogres, abandon them, and the imicus would scoop and redeploy them one by one. mad for really cheap disposable defense points.
Kill frigate 2s into fight, you've wasted yout time and a good part of your planned firepower stops.
Shrug. Not bothered :)
Worked well enough for low sec mining ops when people have more SP than isk, though.
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.20 05:05:00 -
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Ok how many of you realize you have admitted to using an exploit in this thread...
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.12.20 06:42:00 -
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The trick worked with Imicus' becuase ain't no one who primaries an imicus.
*snip* That's not very appropriate. - Teblin |
Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.12.20 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Justus Imperius Ok how many of you realize you have admitted to using an exploit in this thread...
How many knew it was an exploit? ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums. |
Kamikazi Atlas
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Posted - 2005.12.20 07:37:00 -
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I never knew of it as an exploit, this is first thread ive seen this being discussed.
Ive been doing a rather difficult storyline lvl3 10 part mission in a vexor (thorax sucks now), with my total 4000 skill points in gunnery, but 2.5m sp's in drones.
I go out, get my ass kicked with all 3 ogres out and warp out. I get more drones, warp back in again and release more drones, then slowly make my way to my other drones....so now I have 5, with one spare in space.
This is the first time id thought of this actually working because normally my drone bay is large enough to hold the drones I can use. |
Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager
Originally by: Justus Imperius Ok how many of you realize you have admitted to using an exploit in this thread...
How many knew it was an exploit?
However many people didnt read what I first said.
- Justice handed by the bomb and the gun is terror elsewhere in the world I'm from. |
Henka
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Junren I was thinking:
High slot: Nosferatu. Low slot: Armor repair
Drone bay: Armor repair drone.
Useage: While your own armor repairers are going, have the armor repair drone orbit (and repair) you. Nosferatu the drone (which has, I think, two billion energy capacity). See where I'm going with this?
What do you think?
well you cant use a drone on yourself (you cant target yourself), so that fails misserabely..
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Tarn Starr
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:06:00 -
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This is where I disagree as to whether it is an explot or not. The OP's instance uses an in game function, with the appropriately trained skills, to create an excellent use. There is still a logistical requirement (delivery of drones) , and I think that it is very clever.
It obviously has displeased the Devs, and hence them calling it an exploit (can someone direct me to a link where this is confirmed?) but perhaps this ruliing may change with the drone changes now implemented. BUt we would have to raise teh issue to them for review.
Tarn
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Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:08:00 -
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This seems like a really good idea, I'll have to try this.
I'm attached to my Celestis :) ____________
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:09:00 -
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when the devs get around to fixing it it will no longer be able to be used and u can use a maxiumum of 5 drones anywhere so the controlling 10 drones will require 2 players CCP please restore the recruitment channel |
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