WHY U NO HAVE Weapon Upgrades IV?

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[Raven, Brickshithouse]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Internal Force Field Array I

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration
****Rat Specific Resist****
****Rat Specific Resist****
****Rat Specific Resist****
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Goblins and Hammerhead drones unless your up against Angels, use Warriors and Valkyries in that case.
T1 ammo for cruiser and below and faction ammo for everything above.

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http://eveboard.com/pilot/Paul_Otichoda

The reason I'm rushing for level 4 missions because I'm really looking at that 40m an hour.

But there is one thing that was often mentioned in this thread that I disagree with. Several people suggested to train up drones asap. My advice is don't. You should be able to use Hobgoblin Is, but it's not neccessary to be able to use the T2 variant. It is much more important for you to train up your fitting, shield and missile skills. Besides, it's not very cost efficient to use Hobgoblin IIs (Jita price for Hobgoblin II is around 400k; for Hobgoblin I it's roughly 6k). You will lose some drones now and then (Damsel in Distress: be distracted at the wrong moment and *poof* .... 5 drones are gone). Even though Hobgoblin Is are slower than the T2 variant, they do the job and you won't notice the difference much. I wouldn't recommend using Hobgoblin IIs at all (for L4 PvE in a Raven or CNR).

That's a very bad fit even for experienced mission runner.

Problems:
- omni tank
- ASB probably works as long as you have cap boosters in it but when you have to reload it you're a sitting duck.

I've ran thousands upon thousands of missions with an omni tank and never had a problem. The DPS from npc in L4 mission isn't really that bad. If you handle the aggro carefully and only aggro one group of npc at a time. That or have a crap tonne of dps yourself in which case you kill everything that fast your tank matters very little.

SUggesting a fit that rely on aggro amnagement to a new mission runner not really up to par in skill for lvl4 is not the ebst idea tho. Messing up a trigger with a fit like that at low skill can be the difference between salvaging the wrecks of rats a few minutes later and trying to ninja loot your own wreck a few minute alter to get back part of your fitted mods. It's easy to shoot the wrong ship when you don't know wich one will spawn 6 more BCs.

One of the reason we tell him to train drones to V is so he can field 5 to deal with frigs too. T2 cost more and can be passed over for some time but dealing with some elite frigs with 3 T1 drones will mean he's webbed/pointed for a long ass time. Drone to V and drone interfacing to II will give a decent boost to his drones damage dealing potential so he can at some point clear those pesky frigs. Slowboating at 12m/s while webbed is a great way to take even more damage.

But there is one thing that was often mentioned in this thread that I disagree with. Several people suggested to train up drones asap. My advice is don't. You should be able to use Hobgoblin Is, but it's not neccessary to be able to use the T2 variant. It is much more important for you to train up your fitting, shield and missile skills. Besides, it's not very cost efficient to use Hobgoblin IIs (Jita price for Hobgoblin II is around 400k; for Hobgoblin I it's roughly 6k). You will lose some drones now and then (Damsel in Distress: be distracted at the wrong moment and *poof* .... 5 drones are gone). Even though Hobgoblin Is are slower than the T2 variant, they do the job and you won't notice the difference much. I wouldn't recommend using Hobgoblin IIs at all (for L4 PvE in a Raven or CNR).

Frostys Virpio with Paul Otichoda skills if he doesn't learn to handle the aggro in the right way. Not matter what the ship he's flying or the moduals he fit to his ship he will lose it sooner rather than latter.

better speed.

I have done a lot of thing in eve, WH's, Incursions, etc and the ONLY time you loose your drones is if you use them wrong and don't pay attention.

Clearly you should be asking for advice and not giving it. Like every other module in EVE the T2 version out classes the T1 version. In the case of the drones, better damage, better speed, better defense hit-points, better tracking, to name just a few. What this means they will hit harder and live longer. If you are loosing drones due to NPC aggro, you are also doing it wrong. I have done a lot of thing in eve, WH's, Incursions, etc and the ONLY time you loose your drones is if you use them wrong and don't pay attention.
In anything PVE you should not be sending your light drones beyond 10km, well that's what I live by. The NPC will scram and web them and they will be dead.
Your statement about not noticing the difference between T1 and T2 drones is absolutely crazy. There is a very noticeable difference. The difference will be enough and will have you warp out when you in trouble and are scrammed by NPC as apposed to becoming space dust.
I have lost 1 warrior while running incursions and nothing else in my 4 years of eve, so to say you going to loose them so get cheap is just plain silly. I have lost other drones in PVP but that's normally when I blow up and sadly my pod can't carry my babies home.

And IGÇÖm silly for claiming that people will lose drones? Maybe you should check the markets. Drones are traded in thousands. This would be very strange, if you were right.

And I didnGÇÖt claim that you donGÇÖt notice a difference between T1 and T2, I said you wonGÇÖt notice the difference much (in a typical L4 mission). Besides, if the difference is enough that you have to warp out when you are in trouble and are scrammed by NPC to avoid becoming space dust you are either doing something fundamentally wrong or you are flying a **** fit or both.

You're ruining my market by telling that.

Can T1 Hobs one shot frigates? I'm asking because I haven't used T1 drones since forever.

I only lose T2 drones when I do something stupid. It's actually quite difficult to lose one if you know how AI that's based on original sleeper AI "thinks". Hint: there are many things AI hates more than your drones.

Atm I don't really get what you seem to be referring to.

I've recently got a battleship with cruise missiles and tried out a level 4 mission. However I'm getting my arse kicked, they keep taking down my shields and I run out my capacitor. I also had to deal with some frigates but got a chunk of my drones shot up while trying to take them out. What am I doing wrong?

Arbalest' Cruise Launcher x6

Large Shield Extender II x1
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I x1
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II x2
Shield Boost Amplifier I x2
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II x1
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II x 2

Ballistic Control System I x3
Capacitor Flux Coil I x2

Large Capacitor Control Circuit Ix3

Hobgoblin Ix 5
Hammerhead Ix4

My skills for shields are:

Energy Grid Upgrades 3
Energy Management 3
Energy Systems Operation 3
Shield Emission Systems 2
Shield Management 3
Shield Operation 4
Shield Upgrades 4
Tactical shield manipulation 3

missiles:

Cruiser missiles: 1
Missile Bombardment 4
Missile Projection 4
Rapid Launch 3
Target Navigation Prediction 3
Warhead Upgrades 3

what should I try to improve?

Hell my /ammo/ costs per mission will be more than a T2 drone. Probably a flight of them on a long mission.

A rule of thumb for mission running, do not mix active and passive tank modules, in fact, mission running is near impossible with a passive/buffer tank. You want to use active hardeners. these need to be turned on, and use cap, but trust me, the extra resists are worth it. Unless you have all shield compensation skills to 5, passive resist amps are useless. many would argue that even with skills to 5 they are useless.

Nothing beats AC Mach in ammo costs.

Oh please.

Not sending drones beyond 10km? ThatGÇÖs your choice. But in the time you wait for your targets to get that close, my T1 drones usually have taken out all (small) targets (depends a bit on the mission, of course). I prefer to clear missions fast. And why should I care if I lose 1 or 2 drones that way? Actually, if I calculate ISK/hr, it would cost me more to take the time to recall/micromanage my drones in order to save them GÇô at 6k ISK per drone GǪ whohoo.

And IGÇÖm silly for claiming that people will lose drones? Maybe you should check the markets. Drones are traded in thousands. This would be very strange, if you were right.

And I didnGÇÖt claim that you donGÇÖt notice a difference between T1 and T2, I said you wonGÇÖt notice the difference much (in a typical L4 mission). Besides, if the difference is enough that you have to warp out when you are in trouble and are scrammed by NPC to avoid becoming space dust you are either doing something fundamentally wrong or you are flying a **** fit or both.

So maybe you are the one who should ask for advice.

Nothing beats AC Mach in ammo costs.

WHY U NO HAVE Weapon Upgrades IV?

Seriously, T2 Ballistic Controls on a Raven are not an option they are MANDATORY

Yes they are that important.

Stop training whatever it is your training right now and add weapon upgrades IV to your queue, then come back and read the rest of this post.

Only 4 launchers and most of the damage is from drones.