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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:02:00 -
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But really strange that YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE affected so far, isn't it?
Noone I spoke with even *hinted* to have that problem, even someone with a 28 modem.
Noone is smart enough, look at the average reaction of the guys reacting to this topic. Calling someone muppet or carebear for only stating his opinion and his result of 4 days investigation shows a lack of intellect.
Maybe it was one solarsystem, strange enough i investigated several solarsystems where these kind of actions were done. Today i encountered one guy who did it, and he was online for 1 hour in the same solarsystem... After 1 hour i noticed the same paterns: ship jumping back, modules activated 1 second later than pressing F1, smartbomb not activating in time (missle 5km distance, smartbomb activates well after the impact is done.) Then i asked on local: Dude are you farming, and warped to a belt i didnt warped to before (always fly 5 belts close to each other to minimalize capdrain during warp). He said yes.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:04:00 -
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150ms from The Netherlands to London?!? Umm if you're not on dial-up then your ISP is overcontending or their routing is utterly bolloxed. Try a maximum of 30ms into LINX (which the C&W node hangs off - although it's not immediately obvious).
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:04:00 -
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Ert.. that wasn't replied to you, digital sin 
The loot issue can be tricky. Sometimes I have the devils own luck (for example, yesterday 2 HMB in 2 hours), sometimes the loot just sucks,
BTw - you wouldn't mind telling where you can find 1 50k + 4 40k sansha spawns, wouldn't you?
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Daan
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:05:00 -
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150ms from The Netherlands to London?!? Umm if you're not on dial-up then your ISP is overcontending or their routing is utterly bolloxed. Try a maximum of 30ms into LINX (which the C&W node hangs off - although it's not immediately obvious).
I did a traceroute from NL to the eve server, its via nyc :/
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Darth Maul
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:06:00 -
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Does anyone know what System Dreamworks hangs out in?
Damn I hope it's 0.0
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:06:00 -
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150ms from The Netherlands to London?!? Umm if you're not on dial-up then your ISP is overcontending or their routing is utterly bolloxed. Try a maximum of 30ms into LINX (which the C&W node hangs off - although it's not immediately obvious).
Every remark from you is wrong:
Iceland dude, i play with a server connected to iceland:
check out IP 166.63.217.6, this is one of the ip's that my packets come across.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:08:00 -
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Well, I have seen him at Gehi today, it's 0.3, but the hunting ground there are 0.0.
If we cannot chain we can for sure find alternative targets there
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:08:00 -
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Does anyone know what System Dreamworks hangs out in?
Damn I hope it's 0.0
heh what you going to do, come in your little bantam trying to shoot me? 
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 17/08/2003 20:20:48
Edited by: agrizla on 17/08/2003 20:19:23
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150ms from The Netherlands to London?!? Umm if you're not on dial-up then your ISP is overcontending or their routing is utterly bolloxed. Try a maximum of 30ms into LINX (which the C&W node hangs off - although it's not immediately obvious).
Every remark from you is wrong:
Iceland dude, i play with a server connected to iceland:
check out IP 166.63.217.6, this is one of the ip's that my packets come across.
Umm no. You play on an IP address owned by Iceland Telecom located in London. I think I'm going to buy you a cluepack :D
On second thoughts - why bother? You are entertaining
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 17/08/2003 20:20:48
Edited by: agrizla on 17/08/2003 20:19:23
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150ms from The Netherlands to London?!? Umm if you're not on dial-up then your ISP is overcontending or their routing is utterly bolloxed. Try a maximum of 30ms into LINX (which the C&W node hangs off - although it's not immediately obvious).
Every remark from you is wrong:
Iceland dude, i play with a server connected to iceland:
check out IP 166.63.217.6, this is one of the ip's that my packets come across.
Umm no. You play on an IP address owned by Iceland Telecom located in London. I think I'm going to buy you a cluepack :D
On second thoughts - why bother? You are entertaining
:P
gatt2.isholf.is :)
inetnum: 157.157.0.0 - 157.157.255.255
netname: ISHOLF
descr: Data Communications Department
descr: Iceland Telecom
country: IS
admin-c: BG4827-RIPE
tech-c: IB506-RIPE
rev-srv: icenet.isholf.is
rev-srv: dns2.isholf.is
status: ASSIGNED PA
notify: [email protected]
mnt-by: ICENET-MNT
changed: [email protected] 19990929
changed: [email protected] 20030619
source: RIPE
route: 157.157.0.0/16
descr: ICENET Autonomous system
descr: Iceland Telecom
origin: AS6677
mnt-by: ICENET-MNT
changed: [email protected] 19990929
source: RIPE
person: Benedikt Grondal
address: Iceland Telecom
address: IS-150 Reykjavik
address: Iceland
phone: +354 550 7470
e-mail: [email protected]
nic-hdl: BG4827-RIPE
mnt-by: ICENET-MNT
changed: [email protected] 20001023
source: RIPE
person: Ingvar Bjarnason
address: Iceland Telecom
address: Armuli 25
address: 150 Reykjavik
address: Iceland
phone: +354 550 7478
e-mail: [email protected]
nic-hdl: IB506-RIPE
mnt-by: ICENET-MNT
changed: [email protected] 20020926
source: RIPE
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:23:00 -
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"After 1 hour i noticed the same paterns: ship jumping back, modules activated 1 second later than pressing F1, smartbomb not activating in time (missle 5km distance, smartbomb activates well after the impact is done.)"
Um, yeah, that's caused by the memory leak, not cans building up in asteroid belts you're not even at.
I've been lagged to heck in systems where I am the *only one*. Then I jump to systems where there are 3 guys chain killing NPC's and it doesnt' lag at all.
And what exactly are you considering the exploit? Killing NPC's? Chain killing NPC's by deaggroing one? Chain killing NPC's just because they spawn faster than you can kill them? Leaving cargo cans lying around?
You need to be more specific.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 17/08/2003 20:28:08
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"After 1 hour i noticed the same paterns: ship jumping back, modules activated 1 second later than pressing F1, smartbomb not activating in time (missle 5km distance, smartbomb activates well after the impact is done.)"
Um, yeah, that's caused by the memory leak, not cans building up in asteroid belts you're not even at.
I've been lagged to heck in systems where I am the *only one*. Then I jump to systems where there are 3 guys chain killing NPC's and it doesnt' lag at all.
And what exactly are you considering the exploit? Killing NPC's? Chain killing NPC's by deaggroing one? Chain killing NPC's just because they spawn faster than you can kill them? Leaving cargo cans lying around?
You need to be more specific.
Erhm, no. Lag still beeing there after a reboot (complete) isnt a memory leak. I also have several memory clearing tools who clean up my memory once in 15 minutes (keeps system nice and stable.)
An exploit is using an bug to your own advantage: You know that when you leave the last pirate, you are farming and you intentionally leave it alive to make more pirate spawn those who are not intended to spawn.
And even with my newb weapons i can kill 50k's fairly easy. >:)
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Khouri on 17/08/2003 20:41:16
I have still to see *any* confirmation of this.
Oh, and I keep my point. If you're the only one who has problems with this - haven't see someone saying "oh god, you're right" so far - the only logical conclusion is that there's something wrong with your systems.
Reinstalling and testing doesn't matters here, if noone others has the problem it's something with your rig/connection.
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Daan
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:36:00 -
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Why on earth then, when im farming and have over 100 tainers floating around me, am I not lagging myself even without restarting the client?
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 17/08/2003 20:40:59
Clueless again Dreamworks. The owner of an IP address as given by a RIPE lookup does not indicate the location of that IP address. If that were the case then two Deutsch Telecom IP addresses are located in my back bedroom in the UK.
I really think you need a cluepack
Then again you may be getting confused with the authentication server - hell I can't be bothered to check. Have fun with all the new "friends" you've made in this thread eh? Maybe you can petition all of them for being nasty?
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:41:00 -
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I have still to see *any* confirmation of this.
Oh, and I keep my point. If your the only one who has problems with this - haven't see someone saying "oh god, you're right" so far - the only lgical conclusion is that there's something wrong with your systems.
Reinstalling and testing doesn't matters here, if noone others has the problems it's something with your rig/connection.
Agree, yet i have heard from numerous players who experience lag for no explainable reason.
With these actions i hope:
CCP looking into this (senior staff received my email).
Players become aware what troubles they cause and limit it somewhat, or do it in a system where no other players are (enough, check the map.)
For all i care, this can be the sollution to solve stuck systems, cause less lag and make eve more balanced (as in software and server bug part).
Who knows what is digged up by my rant, i had my laugh and hope people will become aware of this problem and maybe realize that this is one troublestarter. And therefor whine to CCP to fix it. Maybe more people will test it and even send in logs.
If its not a troublestarter, my apologies in advance. But looking into it is worth it. We all know that alot of containers at a gate made the game laggy (thats why we have the jettison rule), maybe CCP will stop finding easy sollutions and looks into the mather.
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Hikaru Okuda
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hikaru Okuda on 17/08/2003 20:47:41
I'm going to have to side with the majority here. How can chaining being an exploit? That's stretching it since the "continuous spawn" happens to people that don't even try the "chain" thing. Maybe it's a bug, but still it happens whether you want it or not.
We had 4 of us in cruisers and could not kill the pirates fast enough to stop them chaining. We wanted to stop them; we really, really did. It just kept going. We wanted to go through the cans and we had one person there trying to mine the Bistot. But the continuous spawns happen even if you don't want it. Sorry if I can't kill a 50K pirate in one shot... Yet anyway  . We fought for a long time so the guy trying to mine finished and then we tried to get as many of the cans as we could (while still fighting) until we ran out of ammo.
A person killing NPC's alone is going to run into this problem quite often--even with frigate pirates since they are harder to hit now (due to tracking). I've seen spawns of six frigates that took as long to kill as 2 or three cruisers.
And now, the cruisers seem to be opening up with turrets at range instead of just missiles, so they actually take a little longer to kill too.
So, since the continuous spawn is likely to happen even if you want it to stop... What are we supposed to do? Hunt players (time to fill out an application for Space Invaders)? Miners don't insta-spawn.
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ChaosTEK
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:42:00 -
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LMAO I farm in systems with up to 9 other people. At any given time their are 50+ can's in various belt... usualy 100+ in mine and i have yet to experiance lag from this.
When I leave a belt it IS can free 
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Daan
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:47:00 -
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If its not a troublestarter, my apologies in advance. But looking into it is worth it. We all know that alot of containers at a gate made the game laggy (thats why we have the jettison rule), maybe CCP will stop finding easy sollutions and looks into the mather.
it only lagged someone when he warped in andhad to load the scene you *insert nasty words here*
If you experience lag in a sys and think its because of players/chaining, move to another sys.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:49:00 -
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*sigh* Dreamworks, for the 3rd? 4th? time:
You cannot simply say that lag is caused from cans in a belt far, far away. There are a LOT of other possible reasons.
Memory leak. Amount of players in the server. Mining partys. Laggy connection in your region (RL) because more people get online.
So far we have 1 "chaining lags the system" and >5 people saying "haven' experience more or less lag when chaining/in a system where someone is chaining"
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:50:00 -
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If its not a troublestarter, my apologies in advance. But looking into it is worth it. We all know that alot of containers at a gate made the game laggy (thats why we have the jettison rule), maybe CCP will stop finding easy sollutions and looks into the mather.
it only lagged someone when he warped in andhad to load the scene you *insert nasty words here*
If you experience lag in a sys and think its because of players/chaining, move to another sys.
And what if chaining is a part or the cause of stuck systems people traffel through? Should it be left alone then? Or should it be handled? How precious is your little money farm?
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ChaosTEK
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:53:00 -
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How the hell can cans in one belt lag the whole system. You load the cans when you enter the belt not the system.
If the cans lag the way you say than the m0o blockades would of lagged the whole system as well.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 17/08/2003 20:54:10
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*sigh* Dreamworks, for the 3rd? 4th? time:
You cannot simply say that lag is caused from cans in a belt far, far away. There are a LOT of other possible reasons.
Memory leak. Amount of players in the server. Mining partys. Laggy connection in your region (RL) because more people get online.
So far we have 1 "chaining lags the system" and >5 people saying "haven' experience more or less lag when chaining/in a system where someone is chaining"
I have said it once before and will say it once again:
I was alone with 1 player. 1st occasion
Second case was alone with 3 players
third with 1 player but he left in a hour.
The cans in the belt are not far away, they are all load in your system when you enter the system and they are updated when they exist. The system updates your whole solarsystem in 1 time, thats why you get that loading message every time you jump through a jumpgate.
edit also mentioned well before that i am 100% certain my nor my isp, nor the isp in iceland, or england is to blame.
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Sally
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:01:00 -
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Dreamworks is the carebear of the week.
People are playing the game by design and are chain spawn killing NPCs and he calls this an exploit.
You better accuse 50% of the people playing the game then of using an exploit. And you better ask CCP to warn or ban them all.
As for the cans. I was always shooting the cans to clean it up, but with the recent HP increase I wouldn't do it anylonger.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:04:00 -
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Calvert quietly closes the door on the topic and promises never to ever EVER call someone a carebear unless they pwns the carebearness of this topic
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:05:00 -
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You actually load the items when you enter a grid square. Not when you enter a field or a system.
Oh and BTW I'd like to petition an entire system for being laggy despite having no cans/ships in it at all - apart from me The GMs and a Polaris member know which one as they fixed it last weekend. I feel it was exploiting players and should be banned
Get a bloody grip on yourself Dreamworks - or is your name indicative of your behaviour?
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:08:00 -
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Ok, last posting here. I hate dealing with Stone Deaf's.
Just answer this question. You report experiencing it. A lot of others report that they do not experience it.
Conclusion: You're right and everyone else is worng? 
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Sally
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:08:00 -
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Btw, this is exactly what I have been saying all time now.
If the carebear can't beat you in game, he threatens you with filing a petition against you. Regardless if it has some sense or not, one clueless GM is going to help this carebear.
Bad losers.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:13:00 -
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Dreamworks is the carebear of the week.
Umm sorry Molly but if Joshua Calvert is saying he'll never call anyone a carebear again unless they get worse than this then I'm afraid he is the ultimate carebear.
Someone needs to do him a suitable "ph34r meh p3titi0ns" sig
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:15:00 -
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Ugh...too many ways to reply to this one. So I'll go for the short answer.
Till CCP says PUBLICALLY AND CLEARLY that this is considered an exploit, it is not one. It does not matter how much Dreamworks THINKS it's an exploit. He has no authority to declare something an exploit.
And you'll pardon me if I refuse to be gullible enough to take his word on what they say.
Nuff Said 
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