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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:43:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Maybe a slight exaggeration by using the word 'massive', but there's not all that many entities in game capable of buying up 30-50b ISK worth of a single hull type. I'm pretty sure we're looking at that level based on the price hike.
Stranger things have happened. For example, there's always the "PLEX method"... and CCP will happily sell them to anyone with the coin or plastic.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4256
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:50:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Umar Umarhabib wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
They (or some other entity with massive purchasing power) are definitely investing heavily in destroyers
Whoa that's some massive buying power Maybe a slight exaggeration by using the word 'massive', but there's not all that many entities in game capable of buying up 30-50b ISK worth of a single hull type. I'm pretty sure we're looking at that level based on the price hike. There might be a thousand individual players that *could* afford that, a hundred that regularly carry enough ISK to do it without hurting badly, and a much smaller number of alliances.
I am but a non-actively playing 2009 player and I could buy 3 times of that. Quite sure there are many "entities" able to move whatever they want. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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P3po
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.14 13:35:00 -
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I know quiet few individuals earning that much ISK in profit from manufacturing ... per month. Not couting their other activities.
So yea, it is not really much today. |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
122
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Posted - 2013.08.15 08:49:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Umar Umarhabib wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
They (or some other entity with massive purchasing power) are definitely investing heavily in destroyers
Whoa that's some massive buying power Maybe a slight exaggeration by using the word 'massive', but there's not all that many entities in game capable of buying up 30-50b ISK worth of a single hull type. I'm pretty sure we're looking at that level based on the price hike. There might be a thousand individual players that *could* afford that, a hundred that regularly carry enough ISK to do it without hurting badly, and a much smaller number of alliances.
30-50B massive amounts of isk. Uhh that's like 2 supercarriers maybe 3 if you fit cheap. 50B is on the low end of space rich. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
163
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:05:00 -
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Check the killboards, there have been some massive kills based on T1 hulls that people put nothing but purple crap in (I guess it is pretty to them).
There are some people who have hundreds upon hundreds of billions of isk (not corporations, single people). If you are good at market trading (buying low/ selling high), and do so consistently, you could easily make 40, 80, 100 billion a month.
I believe 6 or 7 months ago, there was a guy who left eve and gave Eve Uni 770 BILLION isk. Now it was removed from the game as he was using a automated program (Bot) to do his buys and sells for him, but it was just buying and selling stuff on market.
If you are good and dedicate the time... yes you can make BILLIONS just on that.
Stabbers are totally broken
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
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brinelan
The Flying Dead Insidious Empire
90
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Posted - 2013.08.16 17:12:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:I only have one question to you Goons.
Why do you kill independent real players in the Caldari ice belts. but leave the botting fleets with the freighters behind them alone?
Seriously, I just don't get it. If you want to destroy EVE as a game, you only need to keep on targeting normal players for long enough. There is the saying don't fly what you can't afford to lose, but let's get real here - most veterans many years ago stopped having any real risk at all in pvp, because the ship cost nothing, the implants cost nothing, and if you lose everything so what, plenty more in the hangar. The same does not go for new players, particularly miners in their first barge or their first ever exhumer. When you gank those people, you risk them quitting the game - I know it, I've seen it, and I miss my friends who walked out of EVE never to return. You may well say "good riddance plenty more" ... but that's the problem, there simply are not that many people interested in an old game where there are precious few powerblocks, where you can't fly the big ships for years, and newbie ships mean nothing in sov warfare. A thousand rifters really can't hurt a nyx.
So by all means go have fun, mess with ice prices. But come on ... use your brains. If someone is obviously new or a highsec carebear ... give them a pass. Gank the bots fleets ... unless, of course you approve of bots. I don't. But then again, if enough real players who like mining quit, we'll need bots or all the capitals in the game will be grounded.
Caldari space isn't the only hisec space to hang out in. If you don't want to get blown up you have been given plenty of time to go find somewhere else to mine. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
36089
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:30:00 -
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Came expecting Isotope discussion.
Leaving very disappointed. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:27:00 -
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... was cancelled... lack of interest... and nobody sorted the catering.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
109
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Posted - 2013.08.17 17:56:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wk-jT9rn-8 |
Mohandar Sabezan
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.23 23:33:00 -
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Mynna's 44.44 orders have started to disappear, better sell fast! |
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1501
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Posted - 2013.08.24 00:46:00 -
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Your post made me sad because it gave me hope that nitropes were back over 1k/unit, since that's where all my orders actually are. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Kendra Coldera
Ripoff Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.08.24 08:34:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Your post made me sad because it gave me hope that nitropes were back over 1k/unit, since that's where all my orders actually are.
Seems you will have to do more killing! |
Mohandar Sabezan
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.24 17:03:00 -
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Kendra Coldera wrote:mynnna wrote:Your post made me sad because it gave me hope that nitropes were back over 1k/unit, since that's where all my orders actually are. Seems you will have to do more killing!
Last I heard the ice interdiction was delayed to later this month due to lack of interest. Not sure if it will still take place. |
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
81
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Posted - 2013.08.25 00:11:00 -
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The slower than expected start has the early exit speculators cheering and those still holding either panic selling or crying that they missed out.
Time will tell whether the slow start was a ruse or a whimper.
I believe popcorn is undervalued right now. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4267
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Posted - 2013.08.25 06:19:00 -
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Sir SmashAlot wrote:The slower than expected start has the early exit speculators cheering and those still holding either panic selling or crying that they missed out. Time will tell whether the slow start was a ruse or a whimper. I believe popcorn is undervalued right now.
Slow starts are the best, they create the long lasting trends. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
817
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:17:00 -
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Plenty of dormant (read: "Anchored") towers out there not burning fuel. Instead of fighting over ice, many folks opted for the "meh" solution and just turned off some/all of their towers, and in so doing they negated a large part of the potential effect of CCP's much desired "OPEC" style crisis to generate conflict.
Try again, CCP. Another 20%, AT LEAST, because you didn't grasp the player "CBA'd" factor.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4271
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Posted - 2013.08.26 06:06:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Plenty of dormant (read: "Anchored") towers out there not burning fuel. Instead of fighting over ice, many folks opted for the "meh" solution and just turned off some/all of their towers, and in so doing they negated a large part of the potential effect of CCP's much desired "OPEC" style crisis to generate conflict.
Try again, CCP. Another 20%, AT LEAST, because you didn't grasp the player "CBA'd" factor.
First of all, look at the charts, it's too early to talk final.
Second, CCP has first hand data on everything. CCP have the ability to create a simple script to know the global ice consumption data (smoothed with some EMA) and they can decide to dynamically shrink or enlarge the total ice spawns in game.
So, no, offlining POSes would only work in the short term, then the next script run tells about it and the grand total ice is lowered accordingly. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
385
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Posted - 2013.08.26 08:25:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Plenty of dormant (read: "Anchored") towers out there not burning fuel. Instead of fighting over ice, many folks opted for the "meh" solution and just turned off some/all of their towers, and in so doing they negated a large part of the potential effect of CCP's much desired "OPEC" style crisis to generate conflict.
Try again, CCP. Another 20%, AT LEAST, because you didn't grasp the player "CBA'd" factor.
There should be a corresponding drop in isotope use.
6 Months Iso
1 Year Iso
If we are only talking Highsec, then if everyone in the entirety of highsec turned off towers and ceased all use of ice related products, it would be a 15% drop in use....still leaving nullsec to supply 5% of the ice, even if high sec then decided to drain all anoms 5 times a day. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
40240
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Posted - 2013.08.26 13:30:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Second, CCP has first hand data on everything. CCP have the ability to create a simple script to know the global ice consumption data (smoothed with some EMA) and they can decide to dynamically shrink or enlarge the total ice spawns in game.
Every Ice belt in High/Low/Null, when farmed out will most indeed re-spawn after a 4 hour time period in the amounts respectively of 2500/3000/3500 cubes per respectively.
End of story.
ed: Please link to any Dev Blogs delineating any changes to occur ever with this particular mechanic. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1503
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Posted - 2013.08.26 14:44:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Second, CCP has first hand data on everything. CCP have the ability to create a simple script to know the global ice consumption data (smoothed with some EMA) and they can decide to dynamically shrink or enlarge the total ice spawns in game.
Every Ice belt in High/Low/Null, when farmed out will most indeed re-spawn after a 4 hour time period in the amounts respectively of 2500/3000/3500 cubes per respectively. End of story. ed: Please link to any Dev Blogs delineating any changes to occur ever with this particular mechanic.
VV's point is that CCP can easily tune the amount of ice entering the game by changing the respawn time, the number of blocks per belt, or the number of belts in the game. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
387
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Posted - 2013.08.26 14:49:00 -
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Fozzie GÖÑ
Is probably the closest to it, with the " Our key goals during this period are to ensure that any price and supply shocks are manageable and that the overall market and gameplay effects are pointing in the right direction. On both counts we're quite happy right now. "
Read into that what you will :) |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
40325
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:12:00 -
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mynnna wrote:
VV's point is that CCP can easily tune the amount of ice entering the game by changing the respawn time, the number of blocks per belt, or the number of belts in the game.
I'd love to hear the howling if the re-spawns were in random systems (within same region) |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1504
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:30:00 -
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That'd fundamentally be the same as making the respawn rate longer, since it'd take longer for people to find and clear the belts, so you'd get fewer per day.
It would be some good tears though. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
81
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:42:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sir SmashAlot wrote:The slower than expected start has the early exit speculators cheering and those still holding either panic selling or crying that they missed out. Time will tell whether the slow start was a ruse or a whimper. I believe popcorn is undervalued right now. Slow starts are the best, they create the long lasting trends.
The trend can go both ways |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4272
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Posted - 2013.08.26 18:46:00 -
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Sir SmashAlot wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sir SmashAlot wrote:The slower than expected start has the early exit speculators cheering and those still holding either panic selling or crying that they missed out. Time will tell whether the slow start was a ruse or a whimper. I believe popcorn is undervalued right now. Slow starts are the best, they create the long lasting trends. The trend can go both ways
Both in RL and EvE, declining prices lead to fast (and even panic) selling, which tends to make descending trends twice or thrice as steeper as ascending. The net result is that bullish markets tend to last longer (hence the jargon name "long" given to buys or, better, buy-and-hold) while bearish markets tend to last a lot less (hence the jargon name "short" given to short-sells).
The phenomenon is further amplified in EvE, because with no option to short sell, speculation traders must only use buy and hold strategies and when the markets tide changes, they are literally racing at who is the guy left holding the baby. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
81
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:19:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sir SmashAlot wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sir SmashAlot wrote:The slower than expected start has the early exit speculators cheering and those still holding either panic selling or crying that they missed out. Time will tell whether the slow start was a ruse or a whimper. I believe popcorn is undervalued right now. Slow starts are the best, they create the long lasting trends. The trend can go both ways Both in RL and EvE, declining prices lead to fast (and even panic) selling, which tends to make descending trends twice or thrice as steeper as ascending. The net result is that bullish markets tend to last longer (hence the jargon name "long" given to buys or, better, buy-and-hold) while bearish markets tend to last a lot less (hence the jargon name "short" given to short-sells). The phenomenon is further amplified in EvE, because with no option to short sell, speculation traders must only use buy and hold strategies and when the markets tide changes, they are literally racing at who is the guy left holding the baby.
By having a massive stockpile of select materials you can effectively short sell the market, only under the assumption that you intend on buying back the materials you sold (Ice, Moon Mats, Implants work well for me). Though you are right we cannot short sell naked .
The downward pressure is also an EVE artifact I have seen where players are usually unwilling to cancel their order once listed while continuing to 0.01 their competition past a rational exit point.
My gut says that the market will be stuck in a slowly assending channel. I do not see prices falling too far nor rising too quickly because of the big players on either side. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4273
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Posted - 2013.08.26 20:32:00 -
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Sir SmashAlot wrote:By having a massive stockpile of select materials you can effectively short sell the market, only under the assumption that you intend on buying back the materials you sold (Ice, Moon Mats, Implants work well for me). Though you are right we cannot short sell naked . The downward pressure is also an EVE artifact I have seen where players are usually unwilling to cancel their order once listed while continuing to 0.01 their competition past a rational exit point. My gut says that the market will be stuck in a slowly assending channel. I do not see prices falling too far nor rising too quickly because of the big players on either side.
I have some reserves on this.
Imo the most viable way to short in EvE is to purchase anti-cyclic items and/or hedging them to have a constant NAV.
Holding large amounts of un-hedged anything is very dangerous, whatever your intention to buy back later, at T = 0 you are heavily invested in a massive buy and hold operation. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
81
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Posted - 2013.08.26 21:18:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sir SmashAlot wrote:By having a massive stockpile of select materials you can effectively short sell the market, only under the assumption that you intend on buying back the materials you sold (Ice, Moon Mats, Implants work well for me). Though you are right we cannot short sell naked . The downward pressure is also an EVE artifact I have seen where players are usually unwilling to cancel their order once listed while continuing to 0.01 their competition past a rational exit point. My gut says that the market will be stuck in a slowly assending channel. I do not see prices falling too far nor rising too quickly because of the big players on either side. I have some reserves on this. Imo the most viable way to short in EvE is to purchase anti-cyclic items and/or hedging them to have a constant NAV. Holding large amounts of un-hedged anything is very dangerous, whatever your intention to buy back later, at T = 0 you are heavily invested in a massive buy and hold operation.
You are absolutely right it is a buy and hold operation no matter how I try to spin things. I would feel bad profiting off friends by asking for their stuff to flip for profit (I would rather have them join in). I might have to look into the lending rates for assets. I wonder if there is a market for it, or can I lend out assets for a return that will justify the risk/opportunity cost?
Anti-cyclic items? Are there any? Hedging, is it possible? Is there an item basket that would allow for an effective hedge to be setup? If so, on what, is it stable? I will have to ponder this, thank you . My focus is on accumulation of fixed supply dependent items that are undervalued compared to their peers/historic/production cost, with a touch of dirty speculation. So an understanding of what can be hedged or not and the cost would be very handy.
A hedge on my pirate tag or Nex clothing trades would of been nice. Other than those the EVE market has been very forgiving and generous. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4275
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:53:00 -
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Sir SmashAlot wrote:I might have to look into the lending rates for assets. I wonder if there is a market for it, or can I lend out assets for a return that will justify the risk/opportunity cost?
You might want to look into less popular solutions like futures. There's very little support in EvE but you can never say never, there are always inquiring minds who love those topics.
Sir SmashAlot wrote:Anti-cyclic items? Are there any? Hedging, is it possible? Is there an item basket that would allow for an effective hedge to be setup? If so, on what, is it stable? I will have to ponder this, thank you . My focus is on accumulation of fixed supply dependent items that are undervalued compared to their peers/historic/production cost, with a touch of dirty speculation. So an understanding of what can be hedged or not and the cost would be very handy. A hedge on my pirate tag or Nex clothing trades would of been nice. Other than those the EVE market has been very forgiving and generous.
I feel you'll appreciate a lot these two threads:
Direct and inverse correlation and hedging vs old, classic ISK faucets
and it's practical "proof on the field" sister thread by estimated Samroski:
Mineral and PLEX price correlation. Forge, 15 Oct - 14 Nov. 2012
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Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:18:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sir SmashAlot wrote:By having a massive stockpile of select materials you can effectively short sell the market, only under the assumption that you intend on buying back the materials you sold (Ice, Moon Mats, Implants work well for me). Though you are right we cannot short sell naked . The downward pressure is also an EVE artifact I have seen where players are usually unwilling to cancel their order once listed while continuing to 0.01 their competition past a rational exit point. My gut says that the market will be stuck in a slowly assending channel. I do not see prices falling too far nor rising too quickly because of the big players on either side. I have some reserves on this. Imo the most viable way to short in EvE is to purchase anti-cyclic items and/or hedging them to have a constant NAV. Holding large amounts of un-hedged anything is very dangerous, whatever your intention to buy back later, at T = 0 you are heavily invested in a massive buy and hold operation.
Are you comfortable holding large amounts of isk? |
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