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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:If they are going to gank you they are going to gank you.
I've never understood this mindset.
An untanked Hulk will be ganked with a probability P1/hr.
A more heavily tanked Hulk will be ganked with probability P2/hr, where P2 is less than P1.
A Skiff will be ganked with a probability P3/hr, where P3 is far less than P2.
Saying "If they're going to gank you they are going to gank you" is, of course, tautologically true, but it misses the point that you can do lots of things to change the value of that "If."
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:01:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Some people are so overly paranoid about being blowed-up they nerf their profits for years through over-analysis and tanking that ultimately are useless and futile anyway.
And I'm asking on what basis do you believe that tanking Exhumers is futile? In other words, why do you believe P2=P1?
If you're just saying that the costs of tanking outweigh the benefits, that's certainly defensible, and I can't make an argument either way on that claim.
But saying that tank has no effect on the probability of being ganked seems to be an extraordinary claim.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2013.08.07 15:11:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
So a dead space fit HULK with 100k ehp does not have an equal chance of getting ganked as a max yield fit HULK.? I guess I can believe that, after all the multi-billion isk HULK is a much more attractive target, even if it takes more ships to kill.
Since when does the phrase "more heavily tanked" mean "deadspace fit"?
Are you claiming that a Hulk with 10k EHP is no more likely to be ganked than one with 38k EHP that drops very similar loot value?
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
And I'm asking on what basis do you believe that tanking Exhumers is futile? In other words, why do you believe P2=P1?
I did WHAT ?? Not much to do with Hulk Ganking there........
As presented in the post above, in any given hour, P1=Probability of an Untanked Hulk being ganked, P2=Probability of a Tanked Hulk being ganked.
Are you trying to say that that tanking is futile (i.e. P1=P2) or that the difference in yield is more valuable than the difference in risk (probability*loss value)?
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:12:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I repeat: If they are going to gank you they are going to gank you, and they will make sure they will gank you.
And, like I said, that is true. Tautologically so.
The question is whether you, as a miner, can affect the likelihood of being picked by fitting a tank. You're skipping ahead a step in the discussion to after you've been selected as a target.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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