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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2415
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:32:00 -
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The recent buff to T1 logi has completely thrown off the delicate balance between small gangs/solo and blobs in Eve. What serious small gangs can engage is seriously limited now by the fact that remote reps are mandatory due to their prevalence.
As is stands right now (with logi being required to be on grid), blobs have a significant advantage becuase their expensive and vulnerable logi ships are safe in the swarm of bads surrounding them. As a small gang PvPer trying to engage a larger gang, you cannot afford this luxury, and are thus damned to not being able to use the huge force multiplier that remote rep gives, try as you might to use a fast repping ship that stays 70+ km away. Even there, it is far too vulnerable.
So, idea: move remote rep off grid. They already don't show up on killmails, so it's not as if the battle report changes -- it's still the same combatants. This way, small gangs and soloers can have the same force multipliers that blobs full of space-rich people can afford, narrowing the performance gap and thus buffing small gang PvP.
Other advantages:
- Not required to be on grid = lower SP requirements. Not only does this buff small gang PvP, it is an improvement to the new player experience by enhancing a newbie role and making it more accessible.
- More usefulness for the combat scanner role, in order to hunt down super-vulnerable RR ships.
- More at-the-keyboard play, as the RR pilots will have to be constantly vigilant to watch for being caught.
- Using RR ships inside a POS is a great buff to people who think ahead and are prepared for fights by having POSes set up. Reward infrastructure and forethought, CCP!
Seriously, the current state of RR is unacceptable. Either find a way to make remote reps benefit all, or remove them from the game.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
827
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:34:00 -
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omg yes.
Just think of the high quality solo PVP this will generate. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
613
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:35:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:The recent buff to T1 logi has completely thrown off the delicate balance between small gangs/solo and blobs in Eve. What serious small gangs can engage is seriously limited now by the fact that remote reps are mandatory due to their prevalence. As is stands right now (with logi being required to be on grid), blobs have a significant advantage becuase their expensive and vulnerable logi ships are safe in the swarm of bads surrounding them. As a small gang PvPer trying to engage a larger gang, you cannot afford this luxury, and are thus damned to not being able to use the huge force multiplier that remote rep gives, try as you might to use a fast repping ship that stays 70+ km away. Even there, it is far too vulnerable. So, idea: move remote rep off grid. They already don't show up on killmails, so it's not as if the battle report changes -- it's still the same combatants. This way, small gangs and soloers can have the same force multipliers that blobs full of space-rich people can afford, narrowing the performance gap and thus buffing small gang PvP. Other advantages:
- Not required to be on grid = lower SP requirements. Not only does this buff small gang PvP, it is an improvement to the new player experience by enhancing a newbie role and making it more accessible.
- More usefulness for the combat scanner role, in order to hunt down super-vulnerable RR ships.
- More at-the-keyboard play, as the RR pilots will have to be constantly vigilant to watch for being caught.
- Using RR ships inside a POS is a great buff to people who think ahead and are prepared for fights by having POSes set up. Reward infrastructure and forethought, CCP!
Seriously, the current state of RR is unacceptable. Either find a way to make remote reps benefit all, or remove them from the game.
While you're at it, can you request for my ship to not have to be on grip to do PvP? Completely logged off and enver losing would be awesome. |
Arduemont
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1662
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:37:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Buff small gang PvP: move logi off-grid.
I hope this is a troll. If it's an ironic statement, against the use of On Grid Boosts, then I applaud you sir.
If your actually serious than your ******* idiot.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2417
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:37:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:While you're at it, can you request for my ship to not have to be on grip to do PvP? Completely logged off and enver losing would be awesome.
CCP can't even let me change my skill queue without being forced to log in. Fat chance that they'd implement this. 
They wouldn't know a mechanic if it scrammed them at 100 km with a T1 scram.
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Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union
The Predictables
581
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:38:00 -
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I like where this is going.....off-grid warp disruptions, webs and neuts soon to follow!  |
De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Circle-Of-Two
1822
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:59:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:I like where this is going.....off-grid warp disruptions, webs and neuts soon to follow!
Pfft, who needs that when I can just load up 8 off-grid Large Smart bombs and cover the whole solar system at the same time? You think small gang roams are dead now...
Never not smartbomb all the gates.
GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
615
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:01:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:I like where this is going.....off-grid warp disruptions, webs and neuts soon to follow! Pfft, who needs that when I can just load up 8 off-grid Large Smart bombs and cover the whole solar system at the same time? You think small gang roams are dead now... Never not smartbomb all the gates.
We should be able to use modules across a bridge too.
But since we are going through some trouble, I say they should just go with offline PvP and be done with it. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy
Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:02:00 -
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no |
Myra Faye
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:07:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:The recent buff to T1 logi has completely thrown off the delicate balance between small gangs/solo and blobs in Eve.
They're not supposed to be "balanced."
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Solhild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1071
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:12:00 -
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You lot are only taking this attitude because you can't see the logic in the op's argument.
I can't see the logic in the op's argument either which is why I haven't replied. Oh wait... |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
22
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:32:00 -
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How about cyno doomsday while we are at it? |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
78
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:38:00 -
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"We have no idea how to use logi and can't be bothered to figure it out, therefore logi should be removed."
F***ing brilliant. |
Private Pineapple
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability
Reckless Ambition
416
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:39:00 -
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Alright, let's bring back the ol' remote doomsday while we're at it.
I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
617
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:40:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:How about cyno doomsday while we are at it?
Can't deal with subcap anymore. Blap dread on the other hand would not really require much tracking since the radial velocity of the target lightyears away is negligible. Setup a bridge and blap away! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4040
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:06:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Buff small gang PvP: move logi off-grid. I hope this is a troll. If it's an ironic statement, against the use of On Grid Boosts, then I applaud you sir. If your actually serious than your ******* idiot.
It's pretty well done. In fact, appears to be a copy and paste, with "off grid boosts" replaced with "logi".
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2502
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:06:00 -
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TBH I think they need to move forum posting on grid. Some of these threads should be gate-camped into oblivion.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4040
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:07:00 -
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Myra Faye wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:The recent buff to T1 logi has completely thrown off the delicate balance between small gangs/solo and blobs in Eve. They're not supposed to be "balanced."
So you're saying blobs are skillless and cannot use the T2 logistics cruisers?
No way, we seem to have plenty of them...
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1821
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:11:00 -
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move PvP off-grid as well. Shooting people from inside a POS bubble just shows foresight and planning: CCP should reward that!
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4040
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:14:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:move PvP off-grid as well. Shooting people from inside a POS bubble just shows foresight and planning: CCP should reward that!
POS Warfare, we need it,
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1827
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:15:00 -
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How about we give POSes engines and fly them around?
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http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Isaac Collins
Insanely Twisted
D3vil's Childr3n
60
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:10:00 -
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OFF GRID DOOMS DAY OFF GRID DOOMS DAY PLEASE PLEASE I WANT TO 9/11 KID ALL DAY |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2420
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:16:00 -
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Ooh, good idea, guys! To counter POSes you just have to build your own POS with thrusters and bump the enemy POS away from its moon!
BRB posting new thread with this idea.
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Transmaritanus
Sinister Elite
Black Legion.
70
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:36:00 -
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This is obviously a troll post, half the people on the first page are complete idiots. I mean someone even spelled it out for you.
Quote: Arduemont wrote: Petrus B wrote:
Buff small gang PvP: move logi off-grid.
I hope this is a troll. If it's an ironic statement, against the use of On Grid Boosts, then I applaud you sir. If your actually serious than your ******* idiot. It's pretty well done. In fact, appears to be a copy and paste, with "off grid boosts" replaced with "logi". |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1083
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:37:00 -
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I approve this product or service.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2424
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:06:00 -
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Hmm... I just realized a problem. RR is targeted and targeting is not a thing when you're off grid.
How about this? You can rep everyone in your squad/wing/fleet at the same time, but it's only by a little bit (15% or something). That's of course followed up by bonuses and skills, but it should be balanced, right? (adding this to OP too)
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Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
26922
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:21:00 -
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Don't forget about the other force multipliers, E-war.
They need a serious buff, too, to make them feasible for small gangs or solo pvp.
At first I thought it was a bug when my Falcon needed to decloak before jamming, so I filed a bug report.
But they said everything was working as intended.
So CCP really expects us to decloak our Falcons and thus become vulnerable before it can even affect combat?
This is ruining solo pvp and just catering to the mindless blobs.
Eve is dying.
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
48
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Posted - 2013.08.06 22:23:00 -
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Posting in a stealth don't nerf OGB thread. Or not stealth - I don't even know anymore. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1005
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Posted - 2013.08.06 22:31:00 -
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Dun'Gal wrote:I don't even know anymore.
You really don't.
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3455
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Posted - 2013.08.06 22:45:00 -
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What next ?
Smartbombing pods off grid, because they are smart bombs
and should be able to kill pods that aren't on grid ? |
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