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Keta Min
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Posted - 2005.12.22 11:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Dexter Rast
Fixing arty`s is a problem area, we dont want 8x arty apoch running round pwning everything better than a tempest would, i think any alteration needs to be adressed in the ships bonus`s, even if its just 6 or 7 percent per lvl instead of the mandatory 5, of course nothing too overpowered
that's a possible way of fixing it. and i don't think it would make ACs overpowered having a few % more dmg as their dmg is quite low aswell. that thing with blasterthrons losing to autopests is not due to ACs damage compared to blasters anyway (blaster dmg is superior).
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.12.22 11:13:00 -
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Its so true,I gave up my beloved Tempest for a Apoc. The dps and other new changes have yet again made the flying weather vane useless,thank you ccp for making me waste 5 months of training,would like a refund if you please.
The people who think RMR is cool are coincidently the same people who paid to see Gili.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.12.22 11:26:00 -
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hey how do u think i feel. iv got specialisation large Autocannon 5 and specialisaton Atillary 5.
Tempest just doesnt feel as good anymore...
anyways, life goes on i suppose.
d solo.
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2005.12.22 11:31:00 -
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I still love my tempest, with 3-4 gyro's and 1400's its still effective, and autocannons are just ace... i will never put this baby to bed
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Germain
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Posted - 2005.12.22 11:38:00 -
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hi sorry for this post but i only have lvl4 across most gunnry and a few lvl5's.
i think the tempest does need another mid slot.
if you have a close range tempest, would you fit a webber and a NOS so the cap will kepp running and the target will have very low transvers to get the AC's really hiting hard.
will this work or is the tempy still gimped
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Germain
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Posted - 2005.12.22 11:38:00 -
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hi sorry for this post but i only have lvl4 across most gunnry and a few lvl5's.
i think the tempest does need another mid slot.
if you have a close range tempest, would you fit a webber and a NOS so the cap will kepp running and the target will have very low transvers to get the AC's really hiting hard.
will this work or is the tempy still gimped
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.12.22 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
hey how do u think i feel. iv got specialisation large Autocannon 5 and specialisaton Atillary 5.
Tempest just doesnt feel as good anymore...
anyways, life goes on i suppose.
d solo.
If you don't want them, I'll swap your char for my char that doesn't have them trained :)
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Germain
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Posted - 2005.12.22 11:40:00 -
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hi sorry for this post but i only have lvl4 across most gunnry and a few lvl5's.
i think the tempest does need another mid slot.
if you have a close range tempest, would you fit a webber and a NOS so the cap will kepp running and the target will have very low transvers to get the AC's really hiting hard.
will this work or is the tempy still gimped
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Wizie
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Posted - 2005.12.22 11:41:00 -
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Arti need love for the Tempest.
However, boosting Arti could make them too strong on other ships (mainly the Apoc), in that case, boost the bonus of the Tempest (and look into bonus for Typhoon), while marginally lowering the DMG mod of autocannons (all 'cept for 800s because they suck) so that after skills the dual 650 and dual 425 do same dmg as before. Fix 800s as well.
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Baudolino
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Posted - 2005.12.22 12:01:00 -
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Add 20-30% to base speed
Add -5% signature radius pr lvl of minmatar BS
This should put it more in line with CCPs initial intentions and alleviate the discrepencies between the armageddon and the tempest.
*Slight better base tracking for artillery has always been an issue and should be sorted.. |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.12.22 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Germain
hi sorry for this post but i only have lvl4 across most gunnry and a few lvl5's.
i think the tempest does need another mid slot.
if you have a close range tempest, would you fit a webber and a NOS so the cap will kepp running and the target will have very low transvers to get the AC's really hiting hard.
will this work or is the tempy still gimped
6xdual 650mm autos, 2 nos, ab (mwd with an rcu), cap booster and 2 large reps is the standard close-range tempy, with either hardeners or gyrostabs in the lows, and a mix of webs/scrams in the mids.
The problem is if you try and do that to another close-range ship, you generally get nossed back (negating the drones), they guns will be doing more damage than yours, and there's a very good chance they will be using more drones than you too.
The tempest pilot needs 2 magical 20k 90% webs (and not the ones that take up a gazillion powergrid, I mean the ones that don't exist) to keep everyone at range and then pound in it's falloff.
wtb magical 20k 90% webs 
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Tachy
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Posted - 2005.12.22 12:07:00 -
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More speed just helps making the tracking issue more prominent.
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Destructor1792
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Posted - 2005.12.22 12:08:00 -
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It's supposed to be a hit & run ship, so more speed & ability to fit 8 large guns.
And yep, it does need insanely high skills to be a good pilot in one, that's why i'd never under estimate their pilots
Fit em out right & they are devastating - fit em wrong and as i've found out, they pop & it's back to the builders yard!!! rofl
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.12.22 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
More speed just helps making the tracking issue more prominent.
and there is no way I'm giving up either the damage or rof bonus :)
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.12.22 12:11:00 -
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I'd like a 5% sig res reduction to large turrets per level pls. It won't make much difference to BS v BS but would help a lot with HAC BC and cruisers. Since we do poor DPS we may as well have a niche role as long range fleet guardians.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2005.12.22 12:13:00 -
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I wholeheartedly agree with my fellow Whinematar.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.12.22 12:38:00 -
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Please take a high, not a low, if the tempest's getting a 6th mid.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2005.12.22 12:41:00 -
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i don't want a 6th mid, 8/5/6 is fine with me 
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.12.22 12:55:00 -
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A 6th mid would make a shield-tanked autopest more feasable for PvP, and also allow for more tracking mods for artillery, resulting in better hits.
-Wrayeth
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.22 13:06:00 -
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"You do the same DPS as a Cruise Launcher Raven with Artys"
Well, cruise Raven kinda do sucks, too -.o
(not in the "omg it's dead and unless you have 10 mil skillpoints in missiles then don't argue, nubs" way... but more like "meh, is that all you can do?" :<
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MrFu
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Posted - 2005.12.22 13:22:00 -
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Fix arties 
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.12.22 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
A 6th mid would make a shield-tanked autopest more feasable for PvP, and also allow for more tracking mods for artillery, resulting in better hits.
give it a bit more cpu while you're at it :)
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2005.12.22 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
A 6th mid would make a shield-tanked autopest more feasable for PvP, and also allow for more tracking mods for artillery, resulting in better hits.
but not at the expense of a low plz. would be possible to trade it for a high if 800mm's would be fixed at the same time, then you could fill the grid suddelny available from having a nos/neut less. still i kinda like the 2 extra highs, helps breaking tanks.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.12.22 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Wrayeth
A 6th mid would make a shield-tanked autopest more feasable for PvP, and also allow for more tracking mods for artillery, resulting in better hits.
give it a bit more cpu while you're at it :)
Yeah. Another 60-70 CPU would be perfect. Hell, I'd be happy with a an 8/6/5 config even without more CPU.
-Wrayeth
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2005.12.22 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
edit: and torque, do you generally use artillery or autocannons?
Artie's more frequently.
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2005.12.22 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 22/12/2005 05:40:19
Torque, you know i love the Tempest......But right know I only use it for sniping, and npcing, would never take it into closecombat....and i have also maxed my Min arty skills.
If i should go into closecombat, i would use a phoon, easier, more fun, and way cheaper, and deadly, on closerange, whereas the tempest would suffer way to much on the same short distances.
We all know it, those who have flown this ship, since we learned bs skill level 2, Tempest can shield tank or armor tank, but not good, so whats its force, well i can hit from a very long range instant, and do high damage, thats about it. ohh forgot due to its good speed, its also a good npc ship, since it rarely get caught
when i PvP now, its in hacs or the phoon, scorp will do also, not the raven, you see i trained and trained in gunnery that i forgot to train most of the new missile skills, so im a bit on a setback there 
What to do, well an ekstra midslot or lowslot would help alot, i can live with the fact that because of the design it has, low structure and low armor, give it more speed then.
But seriusly, the tempest has been good the last 6 months, now its time for it to crawl into a non pvp role for a bit, it has done it before and will do it again
Spot on m8.
I guess I am going to go live on Sisi for a bit and see if I can come up with some recommendations that are concrete and easy for CCP to replicate. We all have no problem not having the very best BS in game for pvp, I have no problem relying on experience or game skill to try to level the playing field, but having a fair chance vs a decent pvper is a fair hope.
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2005.12.22 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: GFLTorque
This is only meant for the seasoned PVP'ers that have used a Tempest and have 2+ years in the game including possible time in beta.
Those that have trained Minnie BS V, Large Proj V,Tracking V, ROF V, GUNN. V, Advanced Weapons Upgrade V, Motion Prediction V, Sharpshooter V, Surgical Strike V, Trajectory Anlysis V, Large Projectile Arty Spec V.
I feel your pain.
The Tempest will now offically make a good door stop as it is broken as a pvp ship.
I will not humor you nublars that reply "omg it will work, etc.. etc.. etc.." as you are obviously to stoopid to deserve a reply as you cant see the depth of the pit its now currently in.
In future, would you care to say whats wrong with it as constructively as possible in the original post, that way theres a a basis for a reasonable on topic discussion in the rest of the thread.
Lastly, don't end by trolling people then expect the mods to come to the rescue because you or your thread are getting flamed.
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