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GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:13:00 - [1] This is only meant for the seasoned PVP'ers that have used a Tempest and have 2+ years in the game including possible time in beta. Those that have trained Minnie BS V, Large Proj V,Tracking V, ROF V, GUNN. V, Advanced Weapons Upgrade V, Motion Prediction V, Sharpshooter V, Surgical Strike V, Trajectory Anlysis V, Large Projectile Arty Spec V. I feel your pain. The Tempest will now offically make a good door stop as it is broken as a pvp ship. I will not humor you nublars that reply "omg it will work, etc.. etc.. etc.." as you are obviously to stoopid to deserve a reply as you cant see the depth of the pit its now currently in.
Pant Alones	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:15:00 - [2] omg it will work, etc.. etc.. etc.. -------------------
Capt 69	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:16:00 - [3] um, swap you for my raven :-)
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Capt 69 um, swap you for my raven :-) Deal Will setup escrow in Amarr convo me in game.
ThunderGodThor	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:17:00 - [5] Originally by: GFLTorque This is only meant for the seasoned PVP'ers that have used a Tempest and have 2+ years in the game including possible time in beta. Those that have trained Minnie BS V, Large Proj V,Tracking V, ROF V, GUNN. V, Advanced Weapons Upgrade V, Motion Prediction V, Sharpshooter V, Surgical Strike V, Trajectory Anlysis V, Large Projectile Arty Spec V. I feel your pain. The Tempest will now offically make a good door stop as it is broken as a pvp ship. I will not humor you nublars that reply "omg it will work, etc.. etc.. etc.." as you are obviously to stoopid to deserve a reply as you cant see the depth of the pit its now currently in. Quoted as it is true. Some reajustment needs to be done to most hacs too as they dont have the dmg output need with all the tanking/stacking changes. Some ships have more of an issue than others because of the stats on it too. I do hope some one listens but alas as we all know it will be 3 to 6 months before ccp listens.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:44:00 - [6] You do the same DPS as a Cruise Launcher Raven with Artys, the Tempest is still very powerful with Autocannons. I don't see the problem here. ------ Campaign to remove shield hardener effects, they suck!!
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.12.22 03:50:00 - [7] Edited by: GFLTorque on 22/12/2005 03:55:31 Edited by: GFLTorque on 22/12/2005 03:51:48 Originally by: Jim Raynor You do the same DPS as a Cruise Launcher Raven with Artys, the Tempest is still very powerful with Autocannons. I don't see the problem here. Jim when they make a 6 mid slot Tempest I'll agree with you. Not to mention the Raven starting with 500 more Shield HPS and about 400 Armour HPS. But this is not about comparing a Raven and a Tempest. Its about the Tempest as a viable PVP ship in the hands of skilled ppl vs skilled pilots of other ships.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.12.22 04:09:00 - [8] Originally by: GFLTorque Edited by: GFLTorque on 22/12/2005 03:55:31 Edited by: GFLTorque on 22/12/2005 03:51:48 Originally by: Jim Raynor You do the same DPS as a Cruise Launcher Raven with Artys, the Tempest is still very powerful with Autocannons. I don't see the problem here. Jim when they make a 6 mid slot Tempest I'll agree with you. Not to mention the Raven starting with 500 more Shield HPS and about 400 Armour HPS. But this is not about comparing a Raven and a Tempest. Its about the Tempest as a viable PVP ship in the hands of skilled ppl vs skilled pilots of other ships. well your ship is a lot faster than a raven, takes less damage than a raven (small sig radius), and locks stuff way faster than a raven all the ships have their own advantages obviously DPS wise though, a tempest and raven are fairly evenly matched, except missiles have flight time and artys have crappy tracking, but whatever ------ Campaign to remove shield hardener effects, they suck!!
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.12.22 04:19:00 - [9] Edited by: GFLTorque on 22/12/2005 04:19:09 Originally by: Jim Raynor well your ship is a lot faster than a raven, takes less damage than a raven (small sig radius), and locks stuff way faster than a raven all the ships have their own advantages obviously DPS wise though, a tempest and raven are fairly evenly matched, except missiles have flight time and artys have crappy tracking, but whatever Well the speed issue is moot, the sig radius is not significant, and the lock time I agree with you. Definite advantage to the TEmpest. However even if your right and a CMissle Raven equals the damage of a Tempest, you and i both know a Raven WAY out tanks it with the additonal mid slot and additonal starting hps in armour and Shield. But I am concerned about the tempest period. Not it vs merely 1 bs or 1 setup. I've messed around with it a lot now on sisi and it truely is in bad shape.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.12.22 04:41:00 - [10] Originally by: GFLTorque Jim when they make a 6 mid slot Tempest I'll agree with you. uhmm.... fleet tempest? ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
Ante	Posted - 2005.12.22 05:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: GFLTorque Jim when they make a 6 mid slot Tempest I'll agree with you. uhmm.... fleet tempest? Coz we can all afford those .. ? No offense but there's no point in talking about a ship that expensive as a viable solution. What exactly is wrong with the Tempest?
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.22 05:28:00 - [12] Originally by: GFLTorque Jim when they make a 6 mid slot Tempest I'll agree with you. QFT. If they remove a lowslot and give the tempest one more midslot, it'd be much better. -Wrayeth Go away.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2005.12.22 05:38:00 - [13] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 22/12/2005 05:40:19 Torque, you know i love the Tempest......But right know I only use it for sniping, and npcing, would never take it into closecombat....and i have also maxed my Min arty skills. If i should go into closecombat, i would use a phoon, easier, more fun, and way cheaper, and deadly, on closerange, whereas the tempest would suffer way to much on the same short distances. We all know it, those who have flown this ship, since we learned bs skill level 2, Tempest can shield tank or armor tank, but not good, so whats its force, well i can hit from a very long range instant, and do high damage, thats about it. ohh forgot due to its good speed, its also a good npc ship, since it rarely get caught when i PvP now, its in hacs or the phoon, scorp will do also, not the raven, you see i trained and trained in gunnery that i forgot to train most of the new missile skills, so im a bit on a setback there What to do, well an ekstra midslot or lowslot would help alot, i can live with the fact that because of the design it has, low structure and low armor, give it more speed then. But seriusly, the tempest has been good the last 6 months, now its time for it to crawl into a non pvp role for a bit, it has done it before and will do it again
Embattle	Posted - 2005.12.22 06:44:00 - [14] All ships have problems, certainly judging by the number of threads here any way. ----------- Trolling - Ban - All I got was this silly Hat.
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.12.22 07:17:00 - [15] it is a bit weak compared to other ships in head-on combat.. but it can still pull off some nasty stunts and surprise people that think it can't tank and will be easily pwned. all in all it can/will work
FoRGyL	Posted - 2005.12.22 07:29:00 - [16] Totally signed about Artys, they are totally down. -out- ********************************************************* Pay or don't!
Simon Illian	Posted - 2005.12.22 07:31:00 - [17] yes give a 6th mid slot to the tempest, and plz change arty doesn't now, give us missile slot ... we need a bonus for misisle, raven have missile, maybe the tempest can have hte same bonus ? humthe tempest look ugly ? how can we have the same models as the raven ? tadaaaaa each ship is the same now, fine ? [Eve Tool for the mass] Maximum signature image filesize is 24000 bytes - Udat
FoRGyL	Posted - 2005.12.22 07:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Simon Illian yes give a 6th mid slot to the tempest, and plz change arty doesn't now, give us missile slot ... we need a bonus for misisle, raven have missile, maybe the tempest can have hte same bonus ? humthe tempest look ugly ? how can we have the same models as the raven ? tadaaaaa each ship is the same now, fine ? Are you deluded? DO you think that is what we say? Wake up or STFU! Or rewrite that so I understand it better! -out- ********************************************************* Pay or don't!
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.12.22 07:42:00 - [19] Originally by: FoRGyL Totally signed about Artys, they are totally down. -out- yea arties need love now.
Henka	Posted - 2005.12.22 07:50:00 - [20] yeah, well i got killed by a tempy 3 days ago... and i was in a dual repper dominix with Ograaas....
Araviel	Posted - 2005.12.22 07:52:00 - [21] you seem to think that fitting a good tank is the only way to do 1vs1's, i dont agree... try and think out of the box a little, like put some EW on that baby. ---------- signature under construction
FoRGyL	Posted - 2005.12.22 07:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Araviel you seem to think that fitting a good tank is the only way to do 1vs1's, i dont agree... try and think out of the box a little, like put some EW on that baby. I agree with you here, the topic should be R.I.P ArtyTempy tbh. Well a gang of 4 and up will still be nasty for most but the individual punch is gone...not degraded just gone In Pve I can assume some peps even think(or has) it have gotten better but that has to do with the ship and rmr not artys. -out- ********************************************************* Pay or don't!
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.12.22 08:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Henka yeah, well i got killed by a tempy 3 days ago... and i was in a dual repper dominix with Ograaas.... that was one of the nasty stunts i mentioned
Serj Darek	Posted - 2005.12.22 08:29:00 - [24] I wub my tempest. Thou i don't got Artyspec to level 5.. on 4 :D Rest is at level 5 This is what happened to Bunny: http://people.freenet.de/schnubelken/bunnys/
Araviel	Posted - 2005.12.22 09:05:00 - [25] Originally by: FoRGyL Originally by: Araviel you seem to think that fitting a good tank is the only way to do 1vs1's, i dont agree... try and think out of the box a little, like put some EW on that baby. I agree with you here, the topic should be R.I.P ArtyTempy tbh. Well a gang of 4 and up will still be nasty for most but the individual punch is gone...not degraded just gone In Pve I can assume some peps even think(or has) it have gotten better but that has to do with the ship and rmr not artys. -out- yeah and since when has the artytemp been a 1vs1 ship? the arty temp has always, and will most likely always be a fleet ship. its not a thing of the past, it can still have the fasets locking, best range and best alpha strike of all fleet ships. ---------- signature under construction
FoRGyL	Posted - 2005.12.22 09:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Araviel Originally by: FoRGyL Originally by: Araviel you seem to think that fitting a good tank is the only way to do 1vs1's, i dont agree... try and think out of the box a little, like put some EW on that baby. I agree with you here, the topic should be R.I.P ArtyTempy tbh. Well a gang of 4 and up will still be nasty for most but the individual punch is gone...not degraded just gone In Pve I can assume some peps even think(or has) it have gotten better but that has to do with the ship and rmr not artys. -out- yeah and since when has the artytemp been a 1vs1 ship? the arty temp has always, and will most likely always be a fleet ship. its not a thing of the past, it can still have the fasets locking, best range and best alpha strike of all fleet ships. Well now you narrowed it down allitle to much. As not to many went along with a 1 vs 1 in a artytempy to begin with. But you could roam with it, choose fights, smaller engagements and so on. (poof) But I'm glad that you still like it then atleast someone does And as I said in larger fleets it will still be viable. -out- ********************************************************* Pay or don't!
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.12.22 10:02:00 - [27] It's dead in comparison to other Battleships. Not because of it's stats (which are still the worst of all battleships, though - moreso since the 25% hp boost put us even farther behind as we got the least buff of all), but because Projectile weapons suck. Fix projectiles, and we'll see the Tempest shining again. Loading sig, please wait...
Leeach	Posted - 2005.12.22 10:36:00 - [28] The tempest where never a easy ship to PvP in but the tracking speed of the large guns 1200-1400mm limits it to extreme close range and auto cannons or sniping at ultra long range with the big guns. I have no problem with these two setup but i think they need to give the tempest a 20-30m/s speed boost and a bit more shield or armor. I fly the Mach now and on that ships the projectile guns far outperform anything else i know of.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.12.22 10:42:00 - [29] Edited by: Sarmaul on 22/12/2005 10:43:03 Originally by: Leeach I fly the Mach now and on that ships the projectile guns far outperform anything else i know of. all the mach does to projectiles that a tempest doesn't is give them a tracking boost. tbh it's always surprised me why the race with the fastest ships doesn't have guns that can support that speed - having the worst tracking guns is a bit of a kick in the teeth when the lower damage and optimal range is taken into consideration. edit: and torque, do you generally use artillery or autocannons? ------------- Please make Minmatar overpowered, CCP
Sun Ra	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:07:00 - [30] Its not that bad.... on sisi the only ship to beat me in a 1v1 was a cap sucking domi, which took about 8mins to kill me 800mm need boasting for sure as they are pointless atm We're coming for you
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:11:00 - [31] Originally by: Dexter Rast Fixing arty`s is a problem area, we dont want 8x arty apoch running round pwning everything better than a tempest would, i think any alteration needs to be adressed in the ships bonus`s, even if its just 6 or 7 percent per lvl instead of the mandatory 5, of course nothing too overpowered that's a possible way of fixing it. and i don't think it would make ACs overpowered having a few % more dmg as their dmg is quite low aswell. that thing with blasterthrons losing to autopests is not due to ACs damage compared to blasters anyway (blaster dmg is superior).
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:13:00 - [32] Its so true,I gave up my beloved Tempest for a Apoc. The dps and other new changes have yet again made the flying weather vane useless,thank you ccp for making me waste 5 months of training,would like a refund if you please. The people who think RMR is cool are coincidently the same people who paid to see Gili.
darth solo	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:26:00 - [33] hey how do u think i feel. iv got specialisation large Autocannon 5 and specialisaton Atillary 5. Tempest just doesnt feel as good anymore... anyways, life goes on i suppose. d solo.
Pyr8	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:31:00 - [34] I still love my tempest, with 3-4 gyro's and 1400's its still effective, and autocannons are just ace... i will never put this baby to bed
Germain	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:38:00 - [35] hi sorry for this post but i only have lvl4 across most gunnry and a few lvl5's. i think the tempest does need another mid slot. if you have a close range tempest, would you fit a webber and a NOS so the cap will kepp running and the target will have very low transvers to get the AC's really hiting hard. will this work or is the tempy still gimped
Germain	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:38:00 - [36] hi sorry for this post but i only have lvl4 across most gunnry and a few lvl5's. i think the tempest does need another mid slot. if you have a close range tempest, would you fit a webber and a NOS so the cap will kepp running and the target will have very low transvers to get the AC's really hiting hard. will this work or is the tempy still gimped
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:39:00 - [37] Originally by: darth solo hey how do u think i feel. iv got specialisation large Autocannon 5 and specialisaton Atillary 5. Tempest just doesnt feel as good anymore... anyways, life goes on i suppose. d solo. If you don't want them, I'll swap your char for my char that doesn't have them trained :) ------------- Please make Minmatar overpowered, CCP
Germain	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:40:00 - [38] hi sorry for this post but i only have lvl4 across most gunnry and a few lvl5's. i think the tempest does need another mid slot. if you have a close range tempest, would you fit a webber and a NOS so the cap will kepp running and the target will have very low transvers to get the AC's really hiting hard. will this work or is the tempy still gimped
Wizie	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:41:00 - [39] Arti need love for the Tempest. However, boosting Arti could make them too strong on other ships (mainly the Apoc), in that case, boost the bonus of the Tempest (and look into bonus for Typhoon), while marginally lowering the DMG mod of autocannons (all 'cept for 800s because they suck) so that after skills the dual 650 and dual 425 do same dmg as before. Fix 800s as well.
Baudolino	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:01:00 - [40] Add 20-30% to base speed Add -5% signature radius pr lvl of minmatar BS This should put it more in line with CCPs initial intentions and alleviate the discrepencies between the armageddon and the tempest. *Slight better base tracking for artillery has always been an issue and should be sorted..
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:07:00 - [41] Originally by: Germain hi sorry for this post but i only have lvl4 across most gunnry and a few lvl5's. i think the tempest does need another mid slot. if you have a close range tempest, would you fit a webber and a NOS so the cap will kepp running and the target will have very low transvers to get the AC's really hiting hard. will this work or is the tempy still gimped 6xdual 650mm autos, 2 nos, ab (mwd with an rcu), cap booster and 2 large reps is the standard close-range tempy, with either hardeners or gyrostabs in the lows, and a mix of webs/scrams in the mids. The problem is if you try and do that to another close-range ship, you generally get nossed back (negating the drones), they guns will be doing more damage than yours, and there's a very good chance they will be using more drones than you too. The tempest pilot needs 2 magical 20k 90% webs (and not the ones that take up a gazillion powergrid, I mean the ones that don't exist) to keep everyone at range and then pound in it's falloff. wtb magical 20k 90% webs ------------- Please make Minmatar overpowered, CCP
Tachy	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:07:00 - [42] More speed just helps making the tracking issue more prominent.
Destructor1792	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:08:00 - [43] It's supposed to be a hit & run ship, so more speed & ability to fit 8 large guns. And yep, it does need insanely high skills to be a good pilot in one, that's why i'd never under estimate their pilots Fit em out right & they are devastating - fit em wrong and as i've found out, they pop & it's back to the builders yard!!! rofl ______________________________________ something, something, something swiggly goes here apparently --and the computer says... "NO"--
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Tachy More speed just helps making the tracking issue more prominent. and there is no way I'm giving up either the damage or rof bonus :) ------------- Please make Minmatar overpowered, CCP
Tar om	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:11:00 - [45] I'd like a 5% sig res reduction to large turrets per level pls. It won't make much difference to BS v BS but would help a lot with HAC BC and cruisers. Since we do poor DPS we may as well have a niche role as long range fleet guardians. -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net "The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions."
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:13:00 - [46] I wholeheartedly agree with my fellow Whinematar.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:38:00 - [47] Please take a high, not a low, if the tempest's getting a 6th mid. p - l - u - r
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:41:00 - [48] i don't want a 6th mid, 8/5/6 is fine with me
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:55:00 - [49] A 6th mid would make a shield-tanked autopest more feasable for PvP, and also allow for more tracking mods for artillery, resulting in better hits. -Wrayeth Go away.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.22 13:06:00 - [50] "You do the same DPS as a Cruise Launcher Raven with Artys" Well, cruise Raven kinda do sucks, too -.o (not in the "omg it's dead and unless you have 10 mil skillpoints in missiles then don't argue, nubs" way... but more like "meh, is that all you can do?" :<
MrFu	Posted - 2005.12.22 13:22:00 - [51] Fix arties
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.12.22 13:22:00 - [52] Originally by: Wrayeth A 6th mid would make a shield-tanked autopest more feasable for PvP, and also allow for more tracking mods for artillery, resulting in better hits. give it a bit more cpu while you're at it :) ------------- Please make Minmatar overpowered, CCP
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.12.22 13:24:00 - [53] Originally by: Wrayeth A 6th mid would make a shield-tanked autopest more feasable for PvP, and also allow for more tracking mods for artillery, resulting in better hits. but not at the expense of a low plz. would be possible to trade it for a high if 800mm's would be fixed at the same time, then you could fill the grid suddelny available from having a nos/neut less. still i kinda like the 2 extra highs, helps breaking tanks.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.22 13:24:00 - [54] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Wrayeth A 6th mid would make a shield-tanked autopest more feasable for PvP, and also allow for more tracking mods for artillery, resulting in better hits. give it a bit more cpu while you're at it :) Yeah. Another 60-70 CPU would be perfect. Hell, I'd be happy with a an 8/6/5 config even without more CPU. -Wrayeth Go away.
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.12.22 15:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Sarmaul edit: and torque, do you generally use artillery or autocannons? Artie's more frequently.
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.12.22 15:50:00 - [56] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 22/12/2005 05:40:19 Torque, you know i love the Tempest......But right know I only use it for sniping, and npcing, would never take it into closecombat....and i have also maxed my Min arty skills. If i should go into closecombat, i would use a phoon, easier, more fun, and way cheaper, and deadly, on closerange, whereas the tempest would suffer way to much on the same short distances. We all know it, those who have flown this ship, since we learned bs skill level 2, Tempest can shield tank or armor tank, but not good, so whats its force, well i can hit from a very long range instant, and do high damage, thats about it. ohh forgot due to its good speed, its also a good npc ship, since it rarely get caught when i PvP now, its in hacs or the phoon, scorp will do also, not the raven, you see i trained and trained in gunnery that i forgot to train most of the new missile skills, so im a bit on a setback there What to do, well an ekstra midslot or lowslot would help alot, i can live with the fact that because of the design it has, low structure and low armor, give it more speed then. But seriusly, the tempest has been good the last 6 months, now its time for it to crawl into a non pvp role for a bit, it has done it before and will do it again Spot on m8. I guess I am going to go live on Sisi for a bit and see if I can come up with some recommendations that are concrete and easy for CCP to replicate. We all have no problem not having the very best BS in game for pvp, I have no problem relying on experience or game skill to try to level the playing field, but having a fair chance vs a decent pvper is a fair hope.

Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.12.22 15:50:00 - [57] Originally by: GFLTorque This is only meant for the seasoned PVP'ers that have used a Tempest and have 2+ years in the game including possible time in beta. Those that have trained Minnie BS V, Large Proj V,Tracking V, ROF V, GUNN. V, Advanced Weapons Upgrade V, Motion Prediction V, Sharpshooter V, Surgical Strike V, Trajectory Anlysis V, Large Projectile Arty Spec V. I feel your pain. The Tempest will now offically make a good door stop as it is broken as a pvp ship. I will not humor you nublars that reply "omg it will work, etc.. etc.. etc.." as you are obviously to stoopid to deserve a reply as you cant see the depth of the pit its now currently in. In future, would you care to say whats wrong with it as constructively as possible in the original post, that way theres a a basis for a reasonable on topic discussion in the rest of the thread. Lastly, don't end by trolling people then expect the mods to come to the rescue because you or your thread are getting flamed. Thread locked. forum rules \| [email protected] ò Want to be a Forum moderator?


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