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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.19 01:23:00 -
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Yyrkoon has contacted me and provided me with the screenshots of this event. It appears that one TTI ship was at a gate with several members of another corp.
The gate was in Pure Blind but lead to Venal. Because of this they occupied the gate under the pretense of protecting Venal soverignty.
Because this was not in Venal our ship should not have been present. I will be taking care of reimbursement to Yyrkoon for the Bestower that was destroyed in the incident and I have instructed our membership that we do NOT participate in this type of activity outside of Venal.
TTI will continue to operate with the Venal Alliance within Venal and will monitor access WITHIN Venal. We will participate in gate patrols inside the Venal region and will fully defend our soverignty and that of our alliance partners.
That being said we will not operate outside Venal in the manner again. This being an accident I appreciate all the people involved contacting me in the professional manner they did.
Calladen Nimitz
TTI Executive
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.19 01:41:00 -
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IC: Vortex I also received your materials and the same applies. These events were unfortunate and I will arrange your restitution given you supplied adequate evidence.
OOC: On a side note here (personally) I think itÆs really pathetic that people continue to slam TTI. As you can see here when a mistake is made we atone for it (as we have in the past - ask Vega who lost a ship to use a few months ago).
Like the Miner V fiasco we were proven innocent there of everything we were accused of yet I did not see ONE SINGLE APOLOGY from all those who called us exploiters, griefers, cheaters or influence peddlers (the Polaris connection).
It's really hard to tell if your roleplaying or really being a "jerk" in real life. Some of it I can discount like Morkt and Starvos (har har har roleplayers) but the rest of you, I can't tell, this goes for everyone (TTI included).
I'm trying to deal with the situation in a responsible manner. Our member made a mistake in judgment and monitored a gate outside Venal. If a mistake was made we'll admit it, pay up and move on. On the other hand until itÆs decided I would like to think the tenets of "innocent until proven guilty" apply to TTI as well.
I've played games along time, I have 5 eve accounts and 4 computers (really), yet I've NEVER been a part of an online game where I've been a member of a guild or company that was so hated. I guess what makes it even more frustrating is the fact that we aren't exactly out there screwing up all the time.
A few months ago one of our members (Ctaesis) was ganged with some guys while looking for Project Mayhem pirates in Obe. While ganged the other guys killed an Indy. Because he was ganged he appeared on the kill email. He wasn't even there but we talked to the victim and replaced his ship (much to his shock). The point is we took responsibility.
Since then until now we've not been accused of accidentally killing anyone. ThatÆs quite an accomplishment considering our overall size and presence. Hell I was podded today and two days ago by Joker Corp (I hope your enjoying the Cruiser BP - Im glad I had spares). We're not at war with them; they just jumped and podded me for no reason. As far as I know they've been a pain to a lot of the residents of Pure Blind as well. So why no threads about them?
Perhaps if you put a little "IC" before your post for in-character we'll know youÆre just playing a role in the galaxy and I won't waste my time or emotions being ****ed off at your "anger". I'm totally bewildered at the personal tone of some posters (yes I think itÆs inappropriate).
I've been willing to have people email me to discuss problems with TTI members. I've had NO complaints about my efforts from anyone I've dealt with (even Miru above who sadly had an application somehow lost). This is my real life time I'm spending here trying to make the gaming experience more enjoyable for people yet sometimes I feel itÆs for naught. Maybe investing of myself in a game is stupid and I'm wasting my time?
I would like to think thatÆs not true.
Calladen Nimitz
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Yyrkoon
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Posted - 2003.08.19 01:47:00 -
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I still haven't received a in-game mail from you to sum it all up.
But I can say that you've been true to the cause of clearing this mess. I know a couple of other corporations that surely wouldn't be able to manage this job you've done lately. Kudos to you!
If we get an in-game apology we will be glad to uphold the NAP between our two corporations.
VBR
Yyrkoon
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.08.19 02:12:00 -
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Calladan was the "Obe Incident" pilot named "Mursilis"?
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Vortex Freeman
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Posted - 2003.08.19 03:13:00 -
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OOC: Thanks Calladan, really appreciate your work, I know what it takes. Would you please try to give your ppl more clearly defined guidelines/orders for ops? So that incidents like this one can be avoided in the future. 
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Vortex Freeman
CEO - Roving Guns Inc.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.19 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 19/08/2003 03:23:38
Morkt,
No his name was "Vega". It was a few months ago there was a long thread like this one over the matter. Basically we screwed up so we fixed it.
It's probably about 15-20 pages back on the boards here if you want to look for it.
Calladen
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.08.19 07:12:00 -
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Me, along with a couple of other KIA pilots arrived in Ewok that night to support an Allied member that had come under attack by Jokers Corp.
We were waiting at the gate in case they come back, and acted in good faith assisting our Allience friends.
We had no part in the destruction of any pod, but were ganged, and I strongly disagree with this type of action.
KIA are not a pirate corp, and after reviewing the comments in this thread, will ensure that my patrol operations are kept within Venal itself, and will pass this message onto my fellow comerades.
On behalf of all the KIA pilots that were there that night I appologise, and can ensure safe passage will be granted to all friendly pilots through that region from now on as far as we are concerned.
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marius calgar
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Posted - 2003.08.19 08:47:00 -
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again we see the TTI one hand does not know what the other is doing bit. ahh well hope TTI can run there corp better than they can read maps! just to point out there is a bottle neck at bottom of venal
And then we have Kia corp another corp in venal new I might add... so this is what the alliance told them to do to prove themselves that they are fit to become part of the venal alliance.
Sad sad sad is all I can say again. Another lie from TTI.
TTI=Think The Iluminati pulling the strings on there puppets
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.19 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 19/08/2003 10:27:38
To all flamers, trollers and TTI haters,
I've handled this matter already. Its done. The stable is down by the creek if you'd like to continue beating the dead horse.
Calladen Nimitz
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marius calgar
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Posted - 2003.08.19 10:31:00 -
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then if that is the case let me ask a Question if there is a bottleneck at bottom of venal why does your alliance insist on gate camping the route into pure blind? if you give me a sensible answer to this I will stop asking these questions in your treads.
Also as part of an alliance up there your corp has the power to control the smaller corps so the question is to your alliance as well, or are they still having trouble reading the map
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.19 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 19/08/2003 10:42:15
Marius,
I do not speak for the entire alliance. TTI policy is that we do not gate camp in Pure Blind. This was a mistake, I've apologized for it, offered restitution that has been accepted, and all the parties involved have moved on.
The very nature of an "Alliance" indicates there will always be some variation in the way members conduct themselves. Look at NATO for example. NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) was founded to ensure the security of the Western EU nations during the cold war. Even with this mighty alliance there was still ALOT of disagreement on how things would be done between the membership.
This isn't a disagreement for TTI at all. We will not camp outside Venal. If we do, its a mistake and we'll correct it. If other VA members are operating outside Venal doing whatever they are doing that is their business. The Venal Alliance is purely defensive. Its sole purpose is the protection of the Venal region of space.
I hope that answers your question. Its the best I can give you this late in the evening.
Sincerely,
Calladen Nimitz
TTI Executive
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.19 10:42:00 -
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Falkyns,
You posted these questions in our recruitment thread. I'll move them here and ask people to please refrain from posting there regarding non-recruitment issues.
First, which person was repaid?
I've had contact with the CEO's of both corporations involved (GENCO and ROVING GUNS)and if you'd read the thread this is discussed on you'd see BOTH thanked me for resolving this matter professionally. Actually there are TWO people being repaid not one.
Second, at the time I posted no one had been paid. The facts are straight.
Well unless your the CEO of one of those companies or the "victim" in the case you wouldn't know anyway but to clear the air I've already indicated they will be paid Tuesday when I'm ingame next. I do have a very busy real life and can't handle game stuff instantly.
Third, beyond the issue of who is paid or not is why TTI felt compelled to have such a forward defense of their region. This has been answered.
As I've stated in this thread this is a random event (basically one member of 200+) who was in the wrong place. I've stated MANY TIMES that TTI is to operate in Venal only. This is our policy. Given that one person made a mistake is it really fair to cast this accusation of policy on the entire corporation? I think not.
Actually let me add one final point in an edit. It was not my intention to muddy up a recruitment thread for TTI. I apologize for that and will no longer be posting in this thread about this issue TTI attacks in Venal. I will use the other thread in this forum.
That would be appreciated. We're all adults here trying to enjoy a game amidst the chaos of our hectic real lives. I'm sure people looking to join TTI don't want to read all this stuff here.
Sincerely,
Calladen Nimitz
TTI Executive
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Javie Ve'Toca
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Posted - 2003.08.19 13:08:00 -
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How come I get get the impression TTI is hiding behind the Space Invaders, KIA and all other Pirate Corps they have allied with. They are letting them do the dirty work to try to protect their own "good" name...
You could think TTI would have some influence in the Venal Alliance as the largest corp, but I guess it's the pirates who run the Alliance and TTI just hiding up there.
And all this crap about protecting Venal by camping the Ewok gate is just not true. The pirates wants new loot which they don't get up in Venal where they are left alone and got bored, and TTI wants them to block Fade and Pure Blind to in a few days be able to claim those systems too and expand their terretory.
It's about time TTI either admit they are a pirate corp just like the others or shows us they are the leading corp of VA and puts an end to all of this instead of just trying to claim its innocence (which noone belive in anyway!)!
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falkyns
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Posted - 2003.08.19 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: falkyns on 19/08/2003 14:40:09
Calladen,
Lets get a couple things straight these questions were directed at Derek not you. I made that clear by useing his name: the one part of my message you did not quote. He made the statement that one guy had been paid and that was the 'end of the story.'
It was this post and no other that my statements were directed.
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First, which person was repaid?
I've had contact with the CEO's of both corporations involved (GENCO and ROVING GUNS)and if you'd read the thread this is discussed on you'd see BOTH thanked me for resolving this matter professionally. Actually there are TWO people being repaid not one.
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It seems pretty clear I have read this thread. I have posted several times in it and have even refered to words used by others. Your point about there being two people is of course the very point I was trying to get across to Derek. Would it have been better to post to Derek this way:
"Derek, are you blind or merely ignorant? If you had bothered to read the thread where this was discussed you would see there are two people who lost ships not one."
I dont think it would have been. So I did not.
I am glad you have resolved this matter. I thank you for doing so and for clearly stateing what TTI feels is and is not acceptable regarding defending Venal.
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Second, at the time I posted no one had been paid. The facts are straight.
Well unless your the CEO of one of those companies or the "victim" in the case you wouldn't know anyway but to clear the air I've already indicated they will be paid Tuesday when I'm ingame next. I do have a very busy real life and can't handle game stuff instantly.
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First your word that they will be paid is good enough for me. Again let me emphasize at the time I posted and now by your own admission neither of the two victims had been paid. Derek said one guy had and that was the end of the story. My statement was correct. His statement was not.
Also if it is true that I would not know unless I were one of the two CEOs or 'victims', how would Derek know these things? Unless Derek is you (honestly not sure, not an attempt to slight either of you).
If Derek had posted something like:
"The situation is being handled by Calladen right now. Rembursement will be done if the situation warrants it and a clear statement will be made regarding military operations outside of Venal."
I would not have made the post we are discussing now. He choose, instead, to post something else. I choose to question the accuracy of his statements through questions and makeing a few statements of my own.
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Third, beyond the issue of who is paid or not is why TTI felt compelled to have such a forward defense of their region. This has been answered.
As I've stated in the other thread this is a random event (basically one member of 200+) who was in the wrong place. I've stated MANY TIMES that TTI is to operate in Venal only. This is our policy. Given that one person made a mistake is it really fair to cast this accusation of policy on the entire corporation? I think not.
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Well here you have me. I am usually pretty precise when I post if for no other reason then I am sure people will be looking to pick it apart. I should have added this.
The policy of defending Venal only was apparently violated by a member of TTI ignorant of the policy.
I did not, my mistake.
I do not patrol the boards looking for statements about TTI's policies either to attack or defend them. I am sure you did state your plicy regarding the defense of Venal many times. I note that Tehel and I both missed them.
You ask if it is fair to cast an accusation of policy ( I think you mean piracy) on an entire corp for one person's action. I will agree it is not fair as long as it is clear that it is fair to question the policy of a corp based on the actions of one person.
It is clear the actions of Tehel warranted such questions. I can and do apologize for the outrage that colored my statements in this thread inappropriately but I do not apologize for their intent.
Nor do I apologize, in any way, for questioning the accuracy of the statements Derek made which, of course, is what my post, we are discussing here, is about.
[edit because my reply was too long and so continued below]
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falkyns
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Posted - 2003.08.19 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: falkyns on 19/08/2003 14:42:25
[continued form above]
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Actually let me add one final point in an edit. It was not my intention to muddy up a recruitment thread for TTI. I apologize for that and will no longer be posting in this thread about this issue TTI attacks in Venal. I will use the other thread in this forum.
That would be appreciated. We're all adults here trying to enjoy a game amidst the chaos of our hectic real lives. I'm sure people looking to join TTI don't want to read all this stuff here.
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A couple of points here. I was prompted to make my posts directed at Derek because of some statements of his particualrly when he said "just about everyone in the game is tied to a pirate corp in one way or another maybe without even knowing it." This statement kindled my sense of accuracy. So I responded. As I said it was inappropriate for me to do so there. I question how appropriate the statement was in a recruitment thread but that is a separate issue.
Again I must emphasize the comments in the post we are discussing were directed at Derek's statements about this issue and their accuracy not TTI in general nor you in particular. I questioned his statements. I tried not to use inflamatory language when I did so. And I restricted my scope in that thread to the issue of the attacks in Pure Blind.
Yet from the very outset of your reply you attacked me by implying I had not read this thread when it is clear I had. Was it fair to comment on my reply in that thread particularly knowing I had promised not to post in there? I think not. A post refering to this thread for your reply would seem more suitable and fair.
Finally, I have tried in this reply to you to be fair and accurate regarding my post and why it came about. I hope I have succeded. I do not recall makeing a single comment about TTI in public previous to this thread. I did so this time because it touched a corp I do know and from whom I have can expect accurate information. I did it because it hit close to home, because it was unexpected, because it was reminded me of how easy it would be for someone who has worked hard for a couple hours a night in a game they loved to have their entire effort wiped.
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Vortex Freeman
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Posted - 2003.08.19 20:10:00 -
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Calladen I'm still waiting for you to contact me.
=S=
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Vortex Freeman
CEO - Roving Guns Inc.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.19 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 19/08/2003 20:17:48
Vortex,
At the moment I can't get into the game (or my email) due to CTD issues and my email password mysteriously being "no good" anymore.
I'll ask someone on IRC to take care of payment. Did you get my email sent last night?
Which ingame character should they send the $700,000 isk settlement too? (That was the amount you specified as I remember - I can't check it again as its in my email).
Thank you,
Calladen
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.19 20:37:00 -
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I was able to log on and take care of everyone before another CTD. Anyone have any idea whats causing these? I had many before patching the "lovesan" virus patch then didn't have any for a few days. Now its up to 3-4 an hour.
Calladen 
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falkyns
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Posted - 2003.08.19 20:39:00 -
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There have been some postings and talk in IRC about a router problem in London. Whose router and what problems is unclear to me.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.19 20:41:00 -
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Falkyns,
I answered your questions because Derek isn't a TTI Executive and I wanted to give you "official" answers. I didn't mean to jump on you for the recruitment thread so sorry if it came across like that.
Everyone in the incident has been paid and we're back to enjoying our NAP's and conducting our business.
If anyone else has an issue with a TTI member and illict or improper activity I would ask them to please email me (it should be up soon I hope) so we can resolve it. Personally in the future (this is just me as a ME not Calladen) I'm going to be much more inclined to deal with people professionally when they act professionally. I'm tired of flame wars, trolling and all other sorts of fourm mischief.
Thank you,
Calladen Nimitz 
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WindWalker
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Posted - 2003.08.19 20:42:00 -
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Calladen Nimitz,
On another tack (sorry to jack thread) as I've gotten no reply from you with regards to a certain IVF matter (and you seem to be actively pursuing this thread) please contact me with a sit rep.
Regards,
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Keep your hands on your isk and your eyes on your six
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.20 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 20/08/2003 00:01:04
Windwalker,
As you saw above my email isnt up right now (hasn't been since early yesterday). The IVF was indeed the complaint that was going to be resolved soon. I've sorted out most of the claims (and discounted the $200million or so fake ones - better paintshop screenshots please!).
I'll be in touch after we switch servers and I have email again. Then we can discuss what we're going to do with the claims.
Thank you for your patience,
Calladen
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.08.20 16:33:00 -
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Nicely done Calladen.It would be a better world indeed if all such mistakes were handled with such through responsibility. You must admit though that as long as you are a member of the VA most people are going to think of you as a pirate, with good reason I might add.
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Jon McRae
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Posted - 2003.08.21 03:13:00 -
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Seems to me TTi is getting a lot of bad press recently, and I'm sure a lot of people in the business community would actually love to hear the full extents of Taggart's finances and resources. The meat and mead of a corporation if you will.
BNN would be very interested in interviewing a member of your directorate for publication. Get in touch, let's do lunch.
Business News Correspondant
Fast, reliable and uncensored |
Li ShangYin
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Posted - 2003.08.21 09:26:00 -
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Sounds intresting, feel free to contact me and I'll see if I can set up something =)
Li "DStroy" Shangyin
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A spring day at the edge of the world.
On the edge of the world once more the day slants.
The oriole cries, as though it were its own tears
Which damp even the topmost blossoms on the tree.
-- Li Shang-yin, Exile, ninth century A.D. |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.21 11:43:00 -
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Jon,
If you'd like to set up an interview you can contact our Press Secretary - Prophet Arames and he'd be happy to answer questions you have (you can submit questions to him for answers - probably easier).
Calladen Nimitz
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.21 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 21/08/2003 11:51:30
Maub Did,
Nicely done Calladen.It would be a better world indeed if all such mistakes were handled with such through responsibility. You must admit though that as long as you are a member of the VA most people are going to think of you as a pirate, with good reason I might add.
Thank you for the compliment. I try to maintain consistency and deal with complaints in a professional manner. Fortunately we don't have many real complaints (only four since Beta 6 when I started playing). Three have been resolved and one is pending (an incredible fraud perpetrated by someone who was a TTI member and vanished without a trace - probably a sleeper, mole or spy). We have had people who (in beta) stated they would "steal millions from TTI" and it is strongly suspected this character created this entire scheme in beta and waited until the launch to "spring" it on the Eve community.
In that case we've been hit with nearly $300million isk in claims but we've discounted most of them after reviewing what was sent in (some fake screenshots doctored up with paintshop - not even close to realistic). We're still examining our overall liability in the matter for the remaining claims and will be deciding on what if any resolution we can make.
That case isn't really a TTI "fault" issue (like the ships destroyed due to an unclear policy on our VA participation) but we're going to take a look at it nonetheless.
Reputation is everything and while TTI has its share of detractors (and haters) I think we also have a reputation as a group who will take care of legitmate problems and claims. I'll take that trust to the bank like I will isk from a megacyte sale!
Calladen Nimitz
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EdRush
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Posted - 2003.08.22 16:45:00 -
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we in KIA are not pirates but we will protect va space and va members to the best of our ability...further more we do not pod unless the victim has given us verble ****
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Prophet Arames
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Posted - 2003.08.22 17:01:00 -
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 Quote:
Jon,
If you'd like to set up an interview you can contact our Press Secretary - Prophet Arames and he'd be happy to answer questions you have (you can submit questions to him for answers - probably easier).
Calladen Nimitz
Yes, Jon, please contact me in game or through email at your convenience.
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Knowledge is Power...
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Thufir Hawat
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Posted - 2003.08.23 20:51:00 -
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Calladen:
You're receiving all this hate and dread because you've thrown in with pirates to protect your ore, and those pirates, via associating with you, are ruining your reputation.
It's really as easy as that, and there isn't going to be much you can do to keep your reputation intact as long as the nature of your alliance with the Venal powers causes you to fight alongside them every so often.
Don't get too demoralized by the hate everyone seems to have for you -- you put yourself in that position, and no question.
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