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Vortex Freeman
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Posted - 2003.08.18 00:44:00 -
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Why is TTI "protecting" the Venal region by camping the jumpgates in EWOK-K??? Nine jumps out from Venal and not one but two regions out! You can easily defend Venal from inside of Venal or from a system in Tribute region, hence not interfering with ppl who have business in Pure Blind. I had a corp member lose his ship in EWOK-K to TTI and KIA pilots claiming to "defend" the Venal region. It's outrageous. If you are claiming Pure Blind region, SAY so... if not... this is nothing but simple pirate activity.
This is the mail I sent to you, and the individuals involved are 'Tehel Necrona' of TTI and 'KIAInkz' of KIA Corp.
The purpose of posting this is just to make it official and to make it known that TTI are "protecting" the Venal region from 9 jumps and 2 regions out of Venal itself.
Outrageous imo...
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Vortex Freeman
CEO - Roving Guns Inc.
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PornStarr
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Posted - 2003.08.18 02:48:00 -
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In case no one has realized this. This applies everywhere, in real life, and in game.
"You are who you associate yourself with."
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.18 03:24:00 -
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Monsieur Vortex, I shall look into the matter of your loss and after consulting with the owner-captains of the VA present a press release explaining current VA policy in regard to northern 0.0 territories below Venal within the Intergalactic Forum section.
In the mean time I would ask you to look at the Pureblind thread already presented, some of your questions may be answered there.
Love and peace
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2003.08.18 03:57:00 -
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If anything it is because they worked a deal with the local pirates for the rare ores and in return they are helping defend it.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.18 04:25:00 -
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Vortex,
If you would be so kind as to contact me via email with the following.
1) Screenshots showing TTI ships were responsible for the destruction of the ship.
2) Any chat logs relating to this event.
3) A summary of what occured according to your pilot.
I would be happy to review it for you. TTI does not participate in gate camping operations. Just because some companies who are part of the Venal Alliance do this does not mean we do it. If we were in the area we were passing thru. If you can provide convincing evidence otherwise I'll gladly look at it.
If you've read the forums awhile you know I have a reputation for handling issues like this fairly.
Thank you,
Calladen Nimitz
TTI Executive
[email protected]
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Vortex Freeman
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Posted - 2003.08.18 09:11:00 -
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Just talk to Tehel Necrona, if he's got any character he will explain the situation to you. If not I have a chat log with him, and one with KIAInkz, both of them left the conversation when it became inconventient for them. I wanted an answer why they were camping the EWOK-K gate when officially TTI's only interests are in the Venal region. No reason given, and I don't buy the argument that EWOK-K is "en route to Venal". If so they could just as well go camp a gate in Fountain for the same reason.
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Vortex Freeman
CEO - Roving Guns Inc.
~ Preparatus Supervivet ~ |
Vortex Freeman
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Posted - 2003.08.18 09:25:00 -
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I will send you the chat logs and a summary from my pilot. To my knowledge we do not have any screenshots though.
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Vortex Freeman
CEO - Roving Guns Inc.
~ Preparatus Supervivet ~ |
Yyrkoon
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Posted - 2003.08.18 11:27:00 -
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What's the use of pleasing TTi's administrative personel?
We that passed through that area last night saw with our own eyes that TTi in cooperation with KIA camped the gate.
They podded without warning as well. All the nice words that leaders of TTi have said to us, obviously don't apply to themselves.
TTi is nothing but a big corporation hiring underdogs, with the names of Space Invaders, Venal Intruders and other pirate scumbags like that. Just to defend themselves from getting free passage to highly valuable ore.
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.18 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 18/08/2003 13:13:58
I am a defender of Venal, those passing through the gate were on a direct course to venal, unless they were stopping in some dead end systems - which perhaps they were, in which case then they should appreciate how dangerous these places can be.
I did not take any loot, i asked the Venal Guardians on several occastions not to pod and i gave warning in local several times.
I was not there for profit, but for the defense and sa***uard of my homeland. If these are crimes, then have Concord lower my security rating and come after me, as i will have no quarrels pleading guilty.
-Necro
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Yyrkoon
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Posted - 2003.08.18 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Yyrkoon on 18/08/2003 14:07:47
I take that as a declaration of war upon all of us peaceful pilots nearby Venal or any jumpgate on route to Venal.
The member in our corp you podded were on route home, and not from or to Venal. He had no intention what so ever to get closer to Venal then he already was.
If he came from 0.0 space you ought to be out there haunting, not near safe systems gatecamping people on their way home.
But now we know where you stand.
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falkyns
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Posted - 2003.08.18 13:53:00 -
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Calladen,
I woul think Tehel provided you with most of what you need. Seems pretty clear TTI does participate in gate campings with their fellow Venal alliance members.
The question I have is why?
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.18 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 18/08/2003 14:05:28
Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 18/08/2003 14:02:06
No Genco were podded, no Genco were killed.
So unless you can provide some screenshots, or something please stop lieing.
Secondly Genco attacked TTI BS's after we agreed not to attack on another, so please do not give me that richeous ****.
It has been agreed that anyone using the gate is probably going to Venal, something we cannot have.
This post is nothing but a direct PR gathering against TTI, their getting rather boring now i'm afraid, i'm sure soon you guys will have to start looking at the way we do our laundry next to find some bad points there.
I'm still shocked i haven't seen "TTI eats babies!"
-Necro
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Yyrkoon
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Posted - 2003.08.18 14:23:00 -
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You say no Genco was podded nor killed. I say we got a nice mail stating that you and four members from KIA participated in the death of my friends ship. And pod.
We had a little skirmish the other day that resulted in exchange of fire, but no killed ships. Afterwards we asked you in TTi why you wanted to fire upon us and after some explanation of the situation, we both agreed upon it was a misunderstanding. Then we promised each other non-agression.
We've hold that non-agression towards you. We haven't fired upon you since. You podded one of our members last night, despite that non-agression agreement. You podded a Bestower.
You know as well as we that Genco have not been engaged in any attack on any TTi ship after that agreement was decided. You know as well as we which corporation attacked you the other day, I repeat. It was not Genco.
We wish to uphold that agreement, that Bestower you destroyed ain't worth enough to start a war.
You say anyone using that gate is probably going to Venal. I say fine, but he came through that gate, which implies in your words that he got FROM Venal. Is that a crime as well in your eyes?
So. Relax. Get the facts straight. Lower your weapons currently aiming at us and you'll never see any Genco ships fire upon you again. Can you stay true to that? I know we can.
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falkyns
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Posted - 2003.08.18 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: falkyns on 18/08/2003 14:38:45
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It has been agreed that anyone using the gate is probably going to Venal, something we cannot have.
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Who agreed? TTI? I certainly did not agree. I travel through pureblind and have not been to Venal.
I fail to see how travel through Pureblind is an indication that the destination is Venal unless the person makeing the decision is paranoid and suffering from delusions.
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Violation
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Posted - 2003.08.18 14:46:00 -
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A few days ago Genco along with CoC attacked and destroyed an allied ship I was with (Lianhaun of space invaders) then proceeded to pod kill her. Any attack on an alliance member is an attack on the alliance, therefore, Genco, you are now our enemies.
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Talur Lokarn
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Posted - 2003.08.18 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Talur Lokarn on 18/08/2003 15:35:53
Edited by: Talur Lokarn on 18/08/2003 14:57:22
I agree. Venal Patrolling should be held to the Venal Region.
In regards to screenshots: check your eve-mail, there should be a mail from concord and if you were podded from yourself there that might help with proving names, though I wonder if that is still needed after Tehel's post.
I hope you get compensated!
Violation: Venal Alliance, to my knowledge, is an alliance of Regional Defense. Apart from the fact that some corporations regard Venal Guardians as Pirates (nevermind SI) and therefor open fire on them during pirate-huntin operations. I would refrain from declaring an Alliance-wide war on a corporation until the member-captains of the VA make such a policy change.
As for TTI's non-agression agreement with Genco- I do hope this will stay in place. The EWOK-K area has been a hot-spot recently with CoC operating in that area (a declared hostile towards TTI). Care must be taken by all to not further intice an already dangerous situation.
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Vortex Freeman
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Vortex Freeman on 18/08/2003 15:20:41
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Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 18/08/2003 13:13:58
I am a defender of Venal, those passing through the gate were on a direct course to venal, unless they were stopping in some dead end systems - which perhaps they were, in which case then they should appreciate how dangerous these places can be.
Direct course to Venal? Yes, I am also at a direct course to Venal when I'm jumping from Mara to Nonni, why don't you camp the gates along that route then? Your actions does in no way indicate that you are defending the Venal region. If you intend to defend your "homeland" I suggest you go there. Someone might actually sneak in while you're 9 jumps and 2 regions away from your home.
I expect you to pay us full compensation for your actions. And stop feeding us lies... you are fooling no other than yourself.
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Vortex Freeman
CEO - Roving Guns Inc.
~ Preparatus Supervivet ~ |
Vortex Freeman
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Posted - 2003.08.18 15:25:00 -
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Quote:
What's the use of pleasing TTi's administrative personel?
We that passed through that area last night saw with our own eyes that TTi in cooperation with KIA camped the gate.
They podded without warning as well. All the nice words that leaders of TTi have said to us, obviously don't apply to themselves.
TTi is nothing but a big corporation hiring underdogs, with the names of Space Invaders, Venal Intruders and other pirate scumbags like that. Just to defend themselves from getting free passage to highly valuable ore.
I thought better of TTI than that but after recent events I have to agree. TTI you are embarrassing yourselves.
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Vortex Freeman
CEO - Roving Guns Inc.
~ Preparatus Supervivet ~ |
Mandos
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Posted - 2003.08.18 16:01:00 -
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A friendly reminder:
Keep the tone and language civil, that way you can go about your business without annoying moderator intervention.
-- Mandos
Polaris Forum Moderator and Bug Hunter
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.18 18:18:00 -
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Please post the screenshot.
I know i didn't pod anyone from Genco, i was more than aware of the none aggression between our two corporations, show me the screen shot and i'll admit i was wrong, however i'm 99% (i'm never certain of anything) that this did not happen.
Directly patroling Venal entails covering more gates, so we use a bottleneck to make life easier.
When i say "we determined that anyone going through EWOK-K is on a direct course to venal" i mean "we" as in the Venal Alliance. I do not listen nor take orders from you, i am sa***uarding my homeland from thieves, spies and griefiers. Why should i meet their terms?
-Tehel
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Lieserl
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Posted - 2003.08.18 19:08:00 -
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Quote:
i am sa***uarding my homeland from thieves, spies and griefiers. Why should i meet their terms?
-Tehel
Although you seem to be consorting with them already 
Maybe this is a call to arms for Going Limp 
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.08.18 19:18:00 -
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Bah, admit it. You like shooting and podding, it's fun. TTi shoulden't talk so much **** though.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Miru
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Posted - 2003.08.18 19:22:00 -
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trying not to let the fact that you lost my application for 624 hours then when I mentioned it on your forum was dropped by you within 24 minutes of sending in the second copies hmmmm. But this idea that you must protect you space by camping at a direct bottle neck where does that crime stop? Every time I leave Todaki to Kakakela I am on a direct course to you. Absurd yes just as the justifcation that 9 jumps away is. Your space is were your guards belong. They are giving you a bad name. Time to get them under control.
Whoa second time I have said something bad about TTI guess I just Became a KOS. to bad because for the most part i respect your Corp
Miru *bows* to those that have earned it, feels sorry for those that have not.
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Yyrkoon
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Posted - 2003.08.18 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Yyrkoon on 18/08/2003 23:12:51
Yes. I have the screenshot.
Awaiting replys in-game from some of you, before we know if you are serious about the declaration of war or not.
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Vortex Freeman
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Posted - 2003.08.18 21:55:00 -
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Calladen: I have sent you screenshots and a chatlog. Together with the posts made in this thread I have no reason to believe you lack evidence. I expect TTi to replace what was lost: 1 Badger MkII, 4 afterburners, 1 small clarity shield booster and 2 expanded cargohold I. 700k isk would do. If you deny my request for payment I will regard you as a pirate corp in the future, and treat you as such.
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Vortex Freeman
CEO - Roving Guns Inc.
~ Preparatus Supervivet ~ |
Talur Lokarn
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Posted - 2003.08.18 23:00:00 -
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Jeez, why can't people just be cool and level headed?
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.08.18 23:19:00 -
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I have observed TTi camping gates far from Venal also. Saying that anyone passing through ewok is heading only to venal is stupid. Only a stupid person would assume this.
Also, asking to have screenshots taken of these tti gate camping pussies is also stupid. Only a stupid person would ask this. As soon as one goes to take screenshots of the cowards, he will find several ships into his hull.
TTi, don't be stupid. |
Vortex Freeman
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Posted - 2003.08.18 23:20:00 -
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Somewhere someone will have to draw the line, action and consequence. I can't see how you are cool headed when you set your "safe zone" 2 regions out. It's paranoia.
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Vortex Freeman
CEO - Roving Guns Inc.
~ Preparatus Supervivet ~ |
falkyns
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Posted - 2003.08.19 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: falkyns on 19/08/2003 00:45:20
Well perhaps you might see people be closer to your definition of cool and level headed when TTI chooses to be rational. Simply declare that TTI intends on shooting anyone who steps into Pure Blind. Or Venal. Or Fade.
The facts are pretty simple Tehel has killed at least one ship in Ewok. It is not like he is hideing the fact. It is not like you are denying or disavowing his actions either.
TTI has said they are a part of the Venal alliance. Jade has made it clear VA feels compelled to help the Sisters and defend Venal. Apparently a very aggressive, far rangeing defense is felt best.
Again nothing hidden about any of that. Perhaps we are just lately come to the fact TTI is as much pirate as....
Perhaps we can leave the gentle readers to fill in their favorite pirate corp.
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Francisco
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Posted - 2003.08.19 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Francisco on 19/08/2003 01:25:01
Homo Erectus,
You have seen TTI camping stargates because we were searching for you after you openly attacked and podded TTI members. And blockading the gates in an otherwise empty system is an integral part of hunting people like you.
While you are a skilled pilot, your personal reputation as a knave and your corporation's standing with TTI destroy any validity to your observations of TTI's actions.
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