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Carcharoth	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:25:00 - [1] Why doesnt CCP do anything about all these corps claiming that it's okay to use an out-of-game way of "infiltrating" another corp/alliance by using an untraceable alt on another account?! Once again a BoB member has openly admitted to using out-of-game mechanics to gain an advantage over other players in-game. And, as usual, CCP is ignoring it completely... (On a more peronal note: I think it's really sad to see a powerfull alliance like BoB lower itself to these kind of "tactics", SirMolle and his should really screen their employees' exploits. Corp thievery really is the lowest of the low when it comes to "tactics" and surely not something BoB should aspire to add to their carefully crafted and most impressive reputation). Istvaan Showhatshisname had his "daring" exploits plastered all over the media as if it's something to be proud of ("Whoohoo! I cheated another player who had no reason to distrust me in the first f'in place out of his assets"). While, in fact, if there were any way at all to find out who someone actually is (in-game) he wouldnt even be able to undertake these cowardly capers. In real life, no matter how good a spy tries to conceal his movements, with enough dedication a concerned party could always trace a spy back to its employer. A spy always leaves a trail, no matter how small! For all intents and purposes this "tactic" (as some call it) is not EULA compliant: Abusing game mechanics to gain advantage over other entities... Could a CCP representative please comment on their lack of involvement concerning these issues? Ow... And please refrain from posting any replies saying "players are responsible for their own assets". Everyone that has ever run a corp knows that sooner or later you're going to have to trust one or more corp members to handle something for you. And that's usually the time at wich these cowards strike because up untill that time the spy didnt have a chance to rob-u-blind(tm) because you were protecting your assets. Duh!
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:26:00 - [2] It's part of the game - it is even listed in the features section of this very website. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:26:00 - [3] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/12/2005 14:33:14 \o/ Right. I have no recollection of that incident... No, seriously, what happened this time ? What despicable thing did BoB do this time to warrant being put down as an alliance of griefing sonsa*****es ? Please refrain from implicating us in your whines, thank you. As far as corp thieving is concerned, I'll slap HG on IRC so he can coem laugh at you. Corp thievery is not a breach of the Eula, since you don't get any advantage other then not being hindered by any morals. And that 'advantage' can hardly be attributed to any abuse of game mechanics can it ? Now, there actually are ways in which to secure yourself against these practices, or at the very least minimise the possible damage done by them. Using those will keep you safe in 90% of the cases. Being obnoxious and an utter bastard when it comes to recruitment takes care of the other ten percent. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Fooball	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:28:00 - [4] Originally by: Carcharoth In real life, no matter how good a spy tries to conceal his movements, with enough dedication a concerned party could always trace a spy back to its employer. A spy always leaves a trail, no matter how small! I'd say that's a false assumption. You never even notice the good ones. People have hunted for instance Deepthroat for years and from his death bed years and years later the old spy decided to tell the truth
Koori	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:30:00 - [5] Quite simple. Try not to give all your assets to new recruits. And how do you think devs could prevent corp thievery? Restrict all alts to be able to join only one corporation? And there is still a problem of character from different account. I think it's impossible. Try to keep you things under a lock and dont trust new guys. There are tactics to recognize a dodgy characters. And it was surely talked over at corporation forums. And stop whining right now...
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:31:00 - [6] omg, buhu, sosad. CCP have commented on corp theivery, and its fine by them just like escrow scamming because there are ways to prevent it - namely, not being morons. What BNC did to steal stuff from the IRON pos was afaik all legal. A BNC member bought the char (who was in a noob corp), then decided to put the char in an IRON corp, and volia, POS access. It would have been an exploit (or bug) if they'd bought the char while it was still in a player corp.
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:34:00 - [7] My bad, it is in the FAQ section, not feature. Because of my unforgiveable error I shall attempt to atone by quoting the section for you so you don't have to find it. Quote: 6.7 Can I be a corporate spy? Spying, scheming, double-dealing and espionage are devilishly delicious features of EVE for those who relish walking on the dark side. Corporation leaders are urged to exercise extreme caution when accepting new members, particularly when granting access to their private communications and corporate holdings. There are criminal elements in EVE who can, and will, take advantage of unsuspecting marks. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Airdorn	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:37:00 - [8] CCP has introduced tools to help smart CEOs avoid corp theft. Corp roles/hangar access, lock-down features, etc. etc. If corps are dumb enough to get ripped-off because they were socially engineered, then they probably diserved it.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Sarmaul on 22/12/2005 14:37:33 and once again people don't know what the ** they're on about Originally by:** Carcharoth Why doesnt CCP do anything about all these corps claiming that it's okay to use an out-of-game way of "infiltrating" another corp/alliance by using an untraceable alt on another account?! Because it is ok. The only thing CCP doesn't like is using suicide alts for attacks on mining barges. Originally by: Carcharoth Once again a BoB member has openly admitted to using out-of-game mechanics to gain an advantage over other players in-game. Character transfers are allowed, as long as the character is in an NPC corporation at the time. Out-of-game mechanics would be logging onto someone else's account and transfering all assets over to yours, which is NOT permitted. Originally by: Carcharoth And, as usual, CCP is ignoring it completely... (On a more peronal note: I think it's really sad to see a powerfull alliance like BoB lower itself to these kind of "tactics", SirMolle and his should really screen their employees' exploits. Actually, I'm pretty sure SirMolle would've praised the person that did it. BoB is known for it's vast spy network - everyone else is free to do the same, just because you decide not to doesn't mean everyone else should be punished. Originally by: Carcharoth Corp thievery really is the lowest of the low when it comes to "tactics" and surely not something BoB should aspire to add to their carefully crafted and most impressive reputation). You don't know much about BoB's reputation :lol: :lol: Originally by: Carcharoth Istvaan Showhatshisname had his "daring" exploits plastered all over the media as if it's something to be proud of ("Whoohoo! I cheated another player who had no reason to distrust me in the first f'in place out of his assets"). While, in fact, if there were any way at all to find out who someone actually is (in-game) he wouldnt even be able to undertake these cowardly capers. Again, another example of you not knowing the facts. The member of GHSC (Istvaan's corp) that did this did it with his MAIN character, not a disposable alt. It even has GHSC in the corp history. Originally by: Carcharoth In real life, no matter how good a spy tries to conceal his movements, with enough dedication a concerned party could always trace a spy back to its employer. A spy always leaves a trail, no matter how small! *****s. Originally by:** Carcharoth For all intents and purposes this "tactic" (as some call it) is not EULA compliant: Abusing game mechanics to gain advantage over other entities... Except it's not abusing them. EVE is not a nice game where people play fair. Could a CCP representative please comment on their lack of involvement concerning these issues? We have before, they fully (well...) support it. Originally by: Carcharoth Ow... And please refrain from posting any replies saying "players are responsible for their own assets". Everyone that has ever run a corp knows that sooner or later you're going to have to trust one or more corp members to handle something for you. And that's usually the time at wich these cowards strike because up untill that time the spy didnt have a chance to rob-u-blind(tm) because you were protecting your assets. Duh! Actually with proper asset management, this won't happen (besides losing several thousand rounds of ammunition) - blueprints can be locked down, rights restricted, and what-not. The big problem comes from idiots accepting people in their corp and then making them a director, allowing them to do whatever the hell they want with the corp assets. ------------- Please make Minmatar overpowered, CCP
Klaryssa	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:38:00 - [10] What did we do now? And... can i have your stuff?
Foxstein	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:39:00 - [11] Here is an Idea -- I remeber when I applied to a corp a while back I was required to send the CEO a screenshot of my character login page before they would consider admission. This way They knew all the character on my account -- I imagine this would cut down on the amount of unknow alts within a corp
TalMahar	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:39:00 - [12] Corp thievery is a tax on the stupid. Plain and simple.
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Klaryssa What did we do now? And... can i have your stuff? I think we already have it mate. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
TalMahar	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Foxstein Here is an Idea -- I remeber when I applied to a corp a while back I was required to send the CEO a screenshot of my character login page before they would consider admission. This way They knew all the character on my account -- I imagine this would cut down on the amount of unknow alts within a corp Photoshop?
Gothikia	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:41:00 - [15] corp robbing is a part of the game, get used to it, lol. I've been subject to it myself unfortuantly, but there aint no point in *****ing about it
Leitari	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:41:00 - [16] Edited by: Leitari on 22/12/2005 14:41:08 its not our fault your security measures are as weak as your resistance in Ju-. stop crying exploit hax OMGWTFBBQWALLHAXOR because you got totally ownd because of your own stupidity. and post with your main.
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/12/2005 14:33:14 \o/ Right. I have no recollection of that incident... No, seriously, what happened this time ? What despicable thing did BoB do this time to warrant being put down as an alliance of griefing sonsa*****es ? Please refrain from implicating us in your whines, thank you. As far as corp thieving is concerned, I'll slap HG on IRC so he can coem laugh at you. Corp thievery is not a breach of the Eula, since you don't get any advantage other then not being hindered by any morals. And that 'advantage' can hardly be attributed to any abuse of game mechanics can it ? Now, there actually are ways in which to secure yourself against these practices, or at the very least minimise the possible damage done by them. Using those will keep you safe in 90% of the cases. Being obnoxious and an utter bastard when it comes to recruitment takes care of the other ten percent. not sure I know either. If it's a reference to BNC nicking all that Zydrine, that was all above board. Surely it's one of us abusing GM/Dev/ISD/Kitten superpowers again :-/
Happysin	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:42:00 - [18] Ok, the OP makes a valid point, though. That is, what level of out of game mechanics is acceptible for affecting in-game? Buying ISK on eBay is not considered acceptible. Buying characters on eBay is not considered acceptibile. Buying characters for ISK is considered acceptible. So is the only delimeter the transferral of cold, hard cash? Are there any other limits? I also would like to have a solid delimeter stated, so I don't accidentally overstep in my out-of-game hijinx.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:44:00 - [19] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/12/2005 14:44:47 ah nm, people are intelligent enough to figure out how to rpevent corp theft. If they don't, that was a choice, not something they did nto have any hand in. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:45:00 - [20] calming down a bit, I actually wish CCP would allow you to see when a character has been transfered between accounts. It doesn't show who the previous and new owner is, just every time it has been transfered. ------------- Please make Minmatar overpowered, CCP
AlexK100	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:47:00 - [21] Originally by: TalMahar Originally by: Foxstein Here is an Idea -- I remeber when I applied to a corp a while back I was required to send the CEO a screenshot of my character login page before they would consider admission. This way They knew all the character on my account -- I imagine this would cut down on the amount of unknow alts within a corp Photoshop? I will prefer TS interview for that case. PS This topic could be considered closed after Avon`s FAQ answer.
Klaryssa	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Avon I think we already have it mate. No, no. I meant me. As a general comment, the mechanisms for preventing corp theft are already in place (and I love that comment about it being a tax on the stupid). Since I dont know the exact situation you are talking about, I cant really say much more. Better luck next time?
Zeromancer	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:47:00 - [23] Never give access to sombody that you can't beat up in real life. Problem solved.
Carcharoth	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:49:00 - [24] Funny how BoB takes this personal... again... I didnt ask for BoB comments (always the same rants/whines), I asked for CCP's But anywhoo... No buhu's for me plz... I'm not as dumb as IRON. kthxbye!
Drew Peacock	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:49:00 - [25] Mate, you have no idea the care that I, and I suppose the other player that have corp thiefs/spys, take. And so CCP can never know who is really playing the character is. Now I know this will come as a shock, but some of us have relationships in the real world with people that don't play Eve, but who are willing to front a corp thief account. I send out a newsletter keeping people up to date with how the character that they are fronting is doing. Some have even started playing for real after reading of their characters adventures.
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Carcharoth Funny how BoB takes this personal... again... I didnt ask for BoB comments (always the same rants/whines), I asked for CCP's But anywhoo... No buhu's for me plz... I'm not as dumb as IRON. kthxbye! You accuse BoB of cheating, but don't expect them to reply? ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Carcharoth Why doesnt CCP do anything about all these corps claiming that it's okay to use an out-of-game way of "infiltrating" another corp/alliance by using an untraceable alt on another account?! Once again a BoB member has openly admitted to using out-of-game mechanics to gain an advantage over other players in-game. And, as usual, CCP is ignoring it completely... (On a more peronal note: I think it's really sad to see a powerfull alliance like BoB lower itself to these kind of "tactics", SirMolle and his should really screen their employees' exploits. Corp thievery really is the lowest of the low when it comes to "tactics" and surely not something BoB should aspire to add to their carefully crafted and most impressive reputation). Istvaan Showhatshisname had his "daring" exploits plastered all over the media as if it's something to be proud of ("Whoohoo! I cheated another player who had no reason to distrust me in the first f'in place out of his assets"). While, in fact, if there were any way at all to find out who someone actually is (in-game) he wouldnt even be able to undertake these cowardly capers. In real life, no matter how good a spy tries to conceal his movements, with enough dedication a concerned party could always trace a spy back to its employer. A spy always leaves a trail, no matter how small! For all intents and purposes this "tactic" (as some call it) is not EULA compliant: Abusing game mechanics to gain advantage over other entities... Could a CCP representative please comment on their lack of involvement concerning these issues? Ow... And please refrain from posting any replies saying "players are responsible for their own assets". Everyone that has ever run a corp knows that sooner or later you're going to have to trust one or more corp members to handle something for you. And that's usually the time at wich these cowards strike because up untill that time the spy didnt have a chance to rob-u-blind(tm) because you were protecting your assets. Duh! Right, highlighted the points you wrote that made my reply more or less inevitable. But, if it would appease you to know that I would have replied anyway even if you hadn't named us then you can take that as a given _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:54:00 - [28] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 22/12/2005 14:56:09 Originally by: Carcharoth Funny how BoB takes this personal... again... I didnt ask for BoB comments (always the same rants/whines), I asked for CCP's But anywhoo... No buhu's for me plz... I'm not as dumb as IRON. kthxbye! So why did you use BOB name in your first post you should have just said xxx has used such and such etc etc. Also if you are gonna try and accuse someone or there corp of doing something surely you are gonna expect a reply? Also if you requrie a reply from a GM/DEV email them at "Ask a Question"
Carcharoth	Posted - 2005.12.22 14:55:00 - [29] Nope.. not acusing BoB of cheating... I'm acusing BoB of lowering their corporate standards more and more (who teh feck let 40oz members in?! LoL ) Oh, btwz... This is one of meh mainz mmmkay... A younger one but nonetheless the main on this account (e-o forums feckin up meh login sry)
Carcharoth	Posted - 2005.12.22 15:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Carcharoth on 22/12/2005 15:01:48 Still lubbin' u mr. Blaine... Where would BoB be without u...

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